Apocalyptic predictions if mudsex was banned?
Loss of players?
Boredom?
More bone sword on bone sword action?
You tell me.
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Who cares.
I'd take it to skype like some of you already do.
I'd be more than a little irked if we -seriously- started moving towards the PG-13 realm that the rules seem to be moving towards.
Hmmmm. You know, before I started playing I thought mudsex was just silly. Actually, I think it helps one character to form bonds with another, more an act of trust than anything else. I've found it to be a great plot device and a way to provide my characters with more depth and motivation. Also, it helps me practice using the various symbols in emoting, more so than armor repair or latrine scooping.
I'd talk about the first time it happened, but likely hasn't yet been quite a year.
EDIT: If it were removed, I would likely eventually get bored and find something else to do with my time, like a non-RP enforced mud.
I agree to it adding depth and getting your character to bond with other characters. Like in real life, you see some things about people you would have never seen about them if you never had sex with them. The same is true with sex in game. Your character will see another character in a completely different light or might realize something about the other character your character may not have otherwise.
If it was banned completely, I would still love and play Armageddon. Even though sometimes it may seem like it I don't play Armageddon just for mudsex. There are so many other things I play it for. I'm sure I'd find it lacking if it was banned though.
Quote from: evilcabbage on December 24, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
I'd be more than a little irked if we -seriously- started moving towards the PG-13 realm that the rules seem to be moving towards.
We are not moving towards PG-13 by banning rape.
Adhira mentioned (and we politely ask again) not to fear-monger rape becoming a virtual aspect of the game into "OMG PG-13 DISNEYFICATION". We are not going to ban murder, corruption, and betrayal. Get your asses out there and RP some legit plots, involving torture, embezzlement, war, shadow artists, noble vs commoner, commoner vs noble, ganking, raiding, extortion, gambling, drinking, alcoholism, spice-addiction, and so on.
Oh, and we aren't banning mudsex.
Loss of people? Yes.
Other than that? Dunno.
I don't fear a ban on mudsex and never did. I don't think this is a slippery slope at all.
But I would wonder if this change means that there will be even MORE "abuse" RP, just not in the sexual violence category.
Something to think about.
I do think this new rule is going to lead to more complaints, since I'm fairly sure there'll be tons of people rule-lawyering over it.
But eh. Fuck it.
Quote from: Patuk on December 24, 2013, 02:32:13 PM
I do think this new rule is going to lead to more complaints, since I'm fairly sure there'll be tons of people rule-lawyering over it.
But eh. Fuck it.
I doubt it.
This is such a universal censorship hardline that people are going to be terrified to even mention the word rape and anything remotely similar to it. You get insta-stored. Which I guess was the end game goal. I would have told some harsh rape jokes with past pc's just to illustrate just how "vulgar" and "repulsive" they were as human beings.
From this day on, it is missionary for the sole purpose of procreation because honestly, I'm afraid of getting banned.
Never once roleplayed a rape. And suddenly, I'm afraid of being banned for rape.
Wow. We've really reached some sort of threshold.
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 02:34:20 PM
Quote from: Patuk on December 24, 2013, 02:32:13 PM
I do think this new rule is going to lead to more complaints, since I'm fairly sure there'll be tons of people rule-lawyering over it.
But eh. Fuck it.
I doubt it.
This is such a universal censorship hardline that people are going to be terrified to even mention the word rape and anything remotely similar to it. You get insta-stored. Which I guess was the end game goal. I would have told some harsh rape jokes with past pc's just to illustrate just how "vulgar" and "repulsive" they were as human beings.
From this day on, it is missionary for the sole purpose of procreation because honestly, I'm afraid of getting banned.
Never once roleplayed a rape. And suddenly, I'm afraid of being banned for rape.
Wow. We've really reached some sort of threshold.
I'm not so sure about that.
But having had to deal with the fallout of my PC being accused of multiple rape(they were lies) I know how trigger-happy some people are in reporting things to staff.
I think there's going to be a ton of people moving in to shout BAN AMOS HE TOUCHED MY BUM real soon. They'll be easier to deal with, since that's retarded, but I doubt the complaint issue has been solved.
I was just musing as to the amount of time spent on sex versus other role play. I never mentioned the rape thread. Though the whole lumping people who may have disagreed with the censorship and theme implications with people who rape and telling them to go find a rapey mud before locking said thread was funny.
Sometimes Arm truly is approaching high fantasy. You are shielded from rape and being accused of rape. You can be discriminated against for all these reasons, but every culture in the game world refuses to discriminate based on gender and sexual preference. I really don't ca re that any of these things aren't prevalent, but that they sort of magically are absent even from some minority or group always seems to make me blink and then go hit an npc with a bone sword.
I've always gone to the point of being overly careful.
1) I am usually the first one to sort out consent for sex related scenes.
2) I will usually either always ask for consent each new scene that happens. If not, it is because we have become mates and it is assumed (which I will stop doing). The other reason I will not do this is if in the past when requesting consent I have put in the stipulation that the consent is valid until otherwise stated. This covers for a blanketed rule and makes sure that my ass is covered.
Not sure why the other thread was closed, it's pretty obvious people still want to discuss this.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 24, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
Not sure why the other thread was closed, it's pretty obvious people still want to discuss this.
Because it had a whole 14 hours and as you can see, anyone who disagrees with the mindset and this change wants to rape people.
Do you have a blog I can follow?
Or something not so 1990s.
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 24, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
Not sure why the other thread was closed, it's pretty obvious people still want to discuss this.
Because it had a whole 14 hours and as you can see, anyone who disagrees with the mindset and this change wants to rape people.
Be careful, Desertman.
Quote from: Eurynomos on December 24, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
Quote from: evilcabbage on December 24, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
I'd be more than a little irked if we -seriously- started moving towards the PG-13 realm that the rules seem to be moving towards.
We are not moving towards PG-13 by banning rape.
Adhira mentioned (and we politely ask again) not to fear-monger rape becoming a virtual aspect of the game into "OMG PG-13 DISNEYFICATION". We are not going to ban murder, corruption, and betrayal. Get your asses out there and RP some legit plots, involving torture, embezzlement, war, shadow artists, noble vs commoner, commoner vs noble, ganking, raiding, extortion, gambling, drinking, alcoholism, spice-addiction, and so on.
Oh, and we aren't banning mudsex.
Class warfare is on the table now?
Quote from: Barzalene on December 24, 2013, 12:49:46 PM
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Who cares.
It's like mixing porn with gaming.
I'd care if it were gone :(
In some ways I'd rather pc on pc mudsex be gone than pc on VNPC rape.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 24, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
Not sure why the other thread was closed, it's pretty obvious people still want to discuss this.
I'd guess it was the general tone of "People who complain about their character being raped/accused of rape are whiners." That's a bit asshat.
I'm convinced this change didn't come because people were complaining about being raped, but because of plotlines involving conflicting IC and OOC accounts and possible consent violations that were a massive headache to figure out. "People complaining about being accused of rape," if you want to put it that way. I prefer to think of it as people not wanting to be dragged in to plotlines about things they would never actually want to roleplay out, especially when their consent for inclusion was never obtained before hand. It'd be like logging in and told your character's had his legs cut off or something.
Quote from: Eurynomos on December 24, 2013, 02:43:15 PM
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 24, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
Not sure why the other thread was closed, it's pretty obvious people still want to discuss this.
Because it had a whole 14 hours and as you can see, anyone who disagrees with the mindset and this change wants to rape people.
Be careful, Desertman.
Yeah, that was a bit snarky.
I can do better than that and should do better than that. My apology.
Can I request that we get the previous thread re-opened since people still want to discuss the topic, and it didn't seem to be open for very long before being closed?
Also, I know you probably didn't mean it this way, but it seems like you are saying anyone who disagrees with this decision just wants to rape people or roleplay raping people and we should find a new game. I apparently am not the only one who felt this way in regards to the comments made by yourself. I find that unsettling and I would like some clarification on that front. Because being openly called a creepy rapist/rapist want-to-be just doesn't seem....right....just because I happen to disagree. (I don't even disagree with the rape subject matter or the lack of said subject matter. I mostly disagree with the universal censorship model.)
Also mudsex is OK. Though one of these days I'd love to see some nobles sponsor some actual mud sex (the height of Zalanthan decadence).
If I even -think- the situation might be headed that way, I ask for consent, even if it's just a really filthy conversation.
And I always throw in "Or ftb?", so far, no one has taken the ftb option.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on December 24, 2013, 02:51:29 PM
Also mudsex is OK. Though one of these days I'd love to see some nobles sponsor some actual mud sex (the height of Zalanthan decadence).
I've had one of my characters hang out extensively with a noble that periodically mentioned virtual orgies off-handedly. It was actually pretty nifty, added a very Roman feel to the world for me.
In regard to this question (http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,46725.msg793222/boardseen.html#new) in ATS.
It doesn't have to be that difficult. If your PC wants to slap my PC's ass, I'd prefer not to have everyone's immersion interrupted by an ooc consent request. It's all about power emoting. If you do something like "em reaches out as if to slap %ourla slammin' asscheeks" it gives me the chance to accept or reject the advance. Done. Easy.
Quote from: Ourla on December 24, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
In regard to this question (http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,46725.msg793222/boardseen.html#new) in ATS.
It doesn't have to be that difficult. If your PC wants to slap my PC's ass, I'd prefer not to have everyone's immersion interrupted by an ooc consent request. It's all about power emoting. If you do something like "em reaches out as if to slap %ourla slammin' asscheeks" it gives me the chance to accept or reject the advance. Done. Easy.
Not really, the problem here also flows over into third parties being subject to the rape/forceful material.
What if someone is in the room with you watching you hidden and they don't want to witness the rough sexual play that they don't realize is just "playing" and not actual dominance? Even if you and your sexual partner have had the rough sex a thousand times, you never know who is watching that 1,001st time. They might not realize this is just how you do it. They will think it is actual rape/this guy forcing his overly dominant sexual advances on you.
What if there is a hidden magicker?
What if there is a mindbender watching you or something who isn't privy to the agreement?
Now they are subject to the issue at hand. What if they tell someone else they saw your guy raping you or being forceful with you? Now there is a third party plotline where they think he is a rapist?
Now we have fifteen character reports and complaints and your guy complaining that he is being complained against and he isn't even a rapist because you guys just like it rough and you didn't know someone was watching. Craziness.
It gets very convoluted when you start universally hardline censoring things.
Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy, but let's Fade To Black, maybe?
Quote from: Delirium on December 24, 2013, 03:05:52 PM
Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy, but let's Fade To Black, maybe?
The lack of rhythm/meter to this angers me deeply.
Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy, if we mudsex, then fade it maybe?.
Oh, yeah, I also ask for consent even if previously consent was given unless otherwise stated, because you never know who's watching, and I like to give them a chance to GTFO if they don't want to be exposed to that...
Quote from: Ourla on December 24, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
In regard to this question (http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,46725.msg793222/boardseen.html#new) in ATS.
It doesn't have to be that difficult. If your PC wants to slap my PC's ass, I'd prefer not to have everyone's immersion interrupted by an ooc consent request. It's all about power emoting. If you do something like "em reaches out as if to slap %ourla slammin' asscheeks" it gives me the chance to accept or reject the advance. Done. Easy.
Unless you're me. Then I get to spank all the asscheeks. Mrawr.
I guess some people are really uncomfortable with some things. If you, as a player, are going to be offended at getting your character's ass swatted at (sorry to any clanmates on my more boisterous PCs) then this might not be the game for you.
All the tit slapping I've seen without consent. Hopefully no one got reported.
Quote from: boog on December 24, 2013, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: Ourla on December 24, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
In regard to this question (http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,46725.msg793222/boardseen.html#new) in ATS.
It doesn't have to be that difficult. If your PC wants to slap my PC's ass, I'd prefer not to have everyone's immersion interrupted by an ooc consent request. It's all about power emoting. If you do something like "em reaches out as if to slap %ourla slammin' asscheeks" it gives me the chance to accept or reject the advance. Done. Easy.
Unless you're me. Then I get to spank all the asscheeks. Mrawr.
I guess some people are really uncomfortable with some things. If you, as a player, are going to be offended at getting your character's ass swatted at (sorry to any clanmates on my more boisterous PCs) then this might not be the game for you.
Actually this is the perfect game for them, because our staff is willing to blanket censor anything, including ass-slaps and titty-gropes, that might have to do with rape/molestation. Maybe that's not true actually. Is molestation still allowed? That isn't very clear.
Meh.
What is tit slapping?
I'm honestly curious now. If two females who are long time in game friends slap each others tits playfully, do they need to get consent from me and others at the bar? Is that what we're saying?
Yes.
Maybe.
I'm not sure anymore.
I'm just gonna swat at your asses, then give you a chance to reject the play.
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Ourla on December 24, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
In regard to this question (http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,46725.msg793222/boardseen.html#new) in ATS.
It doesn't have to be that difficult. If your PC wants to slap my PC's ass, I'd prefer not to have everyone's immersion interrupted by an ooc consent request. It's all about power emoting. If you do something like "em reaches out as if to slap %ourla slammin' asscheeks" it gives me the chance to accept or reject the advance. Done. Easy.
Not really, the problem here also flows over into third parties being subject to the rape/forceful material.
What if someone is in the room with you watching you hidden and they don't want to witness the rough sexual play that they don't realize is just "playing" and not actual dominance? Even if you and your sexual partner have had the rough sex a thousand times, you never know who is watching that 1,001st time. They might not realize this is just how you do it. They will think it is actual rape/this guy forcing his overly dominant sexual advances on you.
What if there is a hidden magicker?
What if there is a mindbender watching you or something who isn't privy to the agreement?
Now they are subject to the issue at hand. What if they tell someone else they saw your guy raping you or being forceful with you? Now there is a third party plotline where they think he is a rapist?
Now we have fifteen character reports and complaints and your guy complaining that he is being complained against and he isn't even a rapist because you guys just like it rough and you didn't know someone was watching. Craziness.
It gets very convoluted when you start universally hardline censoring things.
If in public I totally agree everyone that is there or could be there should have consent to anything sexual related.
I think you're going a little overboard if its done in the privacy of a rented apartment. If in the privacy of a rented apartment someone is there watching and hidden or a mindbender is in your mind watching then that's their problem. If you believe to be alone in an apartment that is rented by you and no one else should be there you should feel fine as long as anyone who you do know and is visible that is there consents. Everyone else they are free to leave if they don't want to watch it.
Quote from: KankWhisperer on December 24, 2013, 03:15:59 PM
If two females who are long time in game friends slap each others tits playfully
???
No.
Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.
Quote from: Malken on December 24, 2013, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: KankWhisperer on December 24, 2013, 03:15:59 PM
If two females who are long time in game friends slap each others tits playfully
???
Wat. What's next? Penis flapping?
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
No.
Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.
Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on December 24, 2013, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Ourla on December 24, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
In regard to this question (http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,46725.msg793222/boardseen.html#new) in ATS.
It doesn't have to be that difficult. If your PC wants to slap my PC's ass, I'd prefer not to have everyone's immersion interrupted by an ooc consent request. It's all about power emoting. If you do something like "em reaches out as if to slap %ourla slammin' asscheeks" it gives me the chance to accept or reject the advance. Done. Easy.
Not really, the problem here also flows over into third parties being subject to the rape/forceful material.
What if someone is in the room with you watching you hidden and they don't want to witness the rough sexual play that they don't realize is just "playing" and not actual dominance? Even if you and your sexual partner have had the rough sex a thousand times, you never know who is watching that 1,001st time. They might not realize this is just how you do it. They will think it is actual rape/this guy forcing his overly dominant sexual advances on you.
What if there is a hidden magicker?
What if there is a mindbender watching you or something who isn't privy to the agreement?
Now they are subject to the issue at hand. What if they tell someone else they saw your guy raping you or being forceful with you? Now there is a third party plotline where they think he is a rapist?
Now we have fifteen character reports and complaints and your guy complaining that he is being complained against and he isn't even a rapist because you guys just like it rough and you didn't know someone was watching. Craziness.
It gets very convoluted when you start universally hardline censoring things.
If in public I totally agree everyone that is there or could be there should have consent to anything sexual related.
I think you're going a little overboard if its done in the privacy of a rented apartment. If in the privacy of a rented apartment someone is there watching and hidden or a mindbender is in your mind watching then that's their problem. If you believe to be alone in an apartment that is rented by you and no one else should be there you should feel fine as long as anyone who you do know and is visible that is there consents. Everyone else they are free to leave if they don't want to watch it.
While I would like to agree with you, because I want you to be right.
You aren't.
You can't even ask someone to consent anymore for this sort of thing.
There is no forceful sex in this game. Even if both people consent.
(http://i.imgur.com/1Vo0XXq.gif)
Isn't there a atmospheric emote about two burly women dragging a guy off to maybe rape him?
Quote from: KankWhisperer on December 24, 2013, 03:21:07 PM
Isn't there a atmospheric emote about two burly women dragging a guy off to maybe rape him?
Well, they don't actually roleplay doing anything to him.
Maybe they are just going to...smear his body with jam or something.
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
No.
Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.
Groping can be molestation. It can also be a way to find your way around in the dark. I think we know which one I'm talking about.
Quote from: KankWhisperer on December 24, 2013, 03:21:07 PM
Isn't there a atmospheric emote about two burly women dragging a guy off to maybe rape him?
There also one in the alleys about people dragging a prostitute off to be raped.
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
No.
Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.
Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.
All molestation and groping are by definition unwanted. That makes it sexual assault. Rape is a third degree of sexual assault.
Check your local sex assault laws for details.
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:20:26 PM
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on December 24, 2013, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: Ourla on December 24, 2013, 02:59:59 PM
In regard to this question (http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,46725.msg793222/boardseen.html#new) in ATS.
It doesn't have to be that difficult. If your PC wants to slap my PC's ass, I'd prefer not to have everyone's immersion interrupted by an ooc consent request. It's all about power emoting. If you do something like "em reaches out as if to slap %ourla slammin' asscheeks" it gives me the chance to accept or reject the advance. Done. Easy.
Not really, the problem here also flows over into third parties being subject to the rape/forceful material.
What if someone is in the room with you watching you hidden and they don't want to witness the rough sexual play that they don't realize is just "playing" and not actual dominance? Even if you and your sexual partner have had the rough sex a thousand times, you never know who is watching that 1,001st time. They might not realize this is just how you do it. They will think it is actual rape/this guy forcing his overly dominant sexual advances on you.
What if there is a hidden magicker?
What if there is a mindbender watching you or something who isn't privy to the agreement?
Now they are subject to the issue at hand. What if they tell someone else they saw your guy raping you or being forceful with you? Now there is a third party plotline where they think he is a rapist?
Now we have fifteen character reports and complaints and your guy complaining that he is being complained against and he isn't even a rapist because you guys just like it rough and you didn't know someone was watching. Craziness.
It gets very convoluted when you start universally hardline censoring things.
If in public I totally agree everyone that is there or could be there should have consent to anything sexual related.
I think you're going a little overboard if its done in the privacy of a rented apartment. If in the privacy of a rented apartment someone is there watching and hidden or a mindbender is in your mind watching then that's their problem. If you believe to be alone in an apartment that is rented by you and no one else should be there you should feel fine as long as anyone who you do know and is visible that is there consents. Everyone else they are free to leave if they don't want to watch it.
While I would like to agree with you, because I want you to be right.
You aren't.
You can't even ask someone to consent anymore for this sort of thing.
There is no forceful sex in this game. Even if both people consent.
Oops, my bad I thought you meant just with the whole mudsexing aspect that's what I was referring to anyways.
So if you emote -attempts- to slap %Amos ass. That is stopping the power emoting part. What I'm asking is do you have to get consent from the rest of the bar. I thought someone said that somewhere.
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:22:59 PM
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
No.
Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.
Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.
All molestation and groping are by definition unwanted. That makes it sexual assault. Rape is a third degree of sexual assault.
Check your local sex assault laws for details.
Yes, but we're asking staff if it's okay, not just assuming staff is using the definition of the law in the USA.
If we're going by modern society's rules, a woman receiving any unwanted contact is sexual assault. To be fully legal, you need consent each step of the way, or it can become sexual assault or even rape.
Basically, to be truly legal, you need two lawyers present to negotiate each action.
If we're imposing this in-game, with the staff replacing the police and court system, it's probably better for all male characters to just be celibate.
Sorry, honey, the only thing I'll touch you with is sword and spear.
Hmm, and I guess wrestling as part of unarmed training is out now.
Armageddon doesn't go on real life modern laws. If they did I wouldn't be just watching the forums.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 24, 2013, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:22:59 PM
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
No.
Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.
Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.
All molestation and groping are by definition unwanted. That makes it sexual assault. Rape is a third degree of sexual assault.
Check your local sex assault laws for details.
Yes, but we're asking staff if it's okay, not just assuming staff is using the definition of the law in the USA.
This.
If our goal is to follow the US penal code I don't have the proper degree to play this game. As such, I am assuming this is not what the staff wants to do here.
Any sort of sexual advance that isn't wanted, be it penetration, molestation, groping, kissing, etc..etc..should be defined as rape for the purposes of our game. That is really the only way to ensure people don't cross the line or push anyone's comfort zones.
I would rather have it hardline defined than risk having my PC stored because I never knew what was "too much".
I'm just going to continue playing the way I've been playing for 10+ years, if I get banned for something related to this, I won't even be mad, I'll be amazed.
Quote from: Malken on December 24, 2013, 03:33:49 PM
I'm just going to continue playing the way I've been playing for 10+ years, if I get banned for something related to this, I won't even be mad, I'll be amazed.
The amount of sense this makes is slap-in-the-face logical.
Well staff already told what is and isn't allowed and---
Forget it.
(http://i.imgur.com/B77fx.gif)
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:31:48 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 24, 2013, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:22:59 PM
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:18:03 PM
No.
Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.
Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.
All molestation and groping are by definition unwanted. That makes it sexual assault. Rape is a third degree of sexual assault.
Check your local sex assault laws for details.
Yes, but we're asking staff if it's okay, not just assuming staff is using the definition of the law in the USA.
This.
If our goal is to follow the US penal code I don't have the proper degree to play this game. As such, I am assuming this is not what the staff wants to do here.
Any sort of sexual advance that isn't wanted, be it penetration, molestation, groping, kissing, etc..etc..should be defined as rape for the purposes of our game. That is really the only way to ensure people don't cross the line or push anyone's comfort zones.
I would rather have it hardline defined than risk having my PC stored because I never knew what was "too much".
Completely agree with this. It should have been set this way from the beginning. I wouldn't have to face what I am if it was.
I actually agree with Malken on this one. What a scary can of worms this is. I've played Red Fangs that used to enslave/dominate people all the time and never once actually played out a rape scene in my entire time on Armageddon. I'll just play how I always played, instead of letting myself be paralyzed and second-guessing myself.
Been gone from Arm for most of December and come back to 'this' conversation. Consider my eyes saucer-sized.
You know, I'm new to this game. And I'm a fully grown man with a lot of experience with rp games where this is in effect. And the original announcement made perfect sense to me.
What is really sad is how far some of you are talking this, while having the nerve to say other players are immature and unintelligent. Just play the game, if you have doubts ask an admin but they are not stopping you from playing your characters, stopping them from being pervy to each other in taverns or expecting you to be asking consent for every little detailed action that you can possibly think of. Just let it go,
Overreacting isn't gonna make things better. Game on.
One thing that makes me sad in all of this. For years, I've dreamed of one day running a Delf character who made a lirathan give birth to a desert elf child, just to see where 'that' goes. Oh well ... only thing that stops me now is that it's against the game rules. Shacks.
Quote from: Jingo on December 24, 2013, 03:36:23 PM
Well staff already told what is and isn't allowed and---
Actually 2 different staff said 2 different things. And both clarifications are part of a thread, and not part of the documentation or rules.
Yummri there is nothing wrong about wanting clarification and boundaries to be set with rules. Are we nit-picking, maybe a little. But having this discussion like this is a good thing, and if it ends with the rules being more clear and easy to follow, that can only be a good thing. Nobody is overreacting.
I misread the post about the templar grabbing aide's ass.
Quote from: SmashedTregil on December 24, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
One thing that makes me sad in all of this. For years, I've dreamed of one day running a Delf character who made a lirathan give birth to a desert elf child, just to see where 'that' goes. Oh well ... only thing that stops me now is that it's against the game rules. Shacks.
There aren't Lirathans anymore, that's what's stopping you. ;)
(keep talking people! I expect another 20 pages of good reading when I get back.)
Quote from: SmashedTregil on December 24, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
One thing that makes me sad in all of this. For years, I've dreamed of one day running a Delf character who made a lirathan give birth to a desert elf child, just to see where 'that' goes. Oh well ... only thing that stops me now is that it's against the game rules. Shacks.
Too bad the Lirathian order is no more so there are two reasons you couldn't do this now.
You dirty breed! Your momma's one necker lover huh!
No she's not!
Oh yeah? Then how's it you sportin' sharp ears, chum?
Some filthy necker Sjir! I hate them all! One of them rap ... "poof"
Tuluki style, everyone pretends the barstool was always empty as they change to other topics.
If our characters can't have sex I quit!
Or play half giants.. or dorfs.. cause ew, who the fuck finds THAT sexy?
Oh no wait. It's for the roleplay, not to get YOUR rocks off.
Never mind!
I always thought you can do whatever you want with whoever you want, as long as it's in character, you get consent, are able to accept the consequences and don't try to hide it from staff. I guess now the conversation going on in another thread may or may not sway how the new rule is interpreted.
What if you mudsex someone and halfway through they say 'stop' IC and you are like 'can you just hang in there for a minute? ' IC. Is that threatening rape?
Next on Fox News: Too much violence in Armageddon? Everyone will be a merchant in the next update.
Quote from: Zoan on December 24, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Next on Fox News: Too much violence in Armageddon? Everyone will be merchants in the next update.
Merchants can be terribly violent, so here, let me fix that for you...
Quote from: Zoan on December 24, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Next on Fox News: Too much violence in Armageddon? Everyone will be Northern in the next update.
Just kiddin' Tulukis ;D
Also... Could care less about mudsex. Chopping mothafuckaz up with bone swords, etc...
Northerners are violent. Just because you haven't played in Tuluk don't assume they aren't violent.
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on December 25, 2013, 02:01:18 AM
Northerners are violent. Just because you haven't played in Tuluk don't assume they aren't violent.
How did you make the assumption, from Kronibas's joke about northies being soft, that he's never played in Tuluk?
*confusion*
Quote from: manipura on December 25, 2013, 02:22:01 AM
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on December 25, 2013, 02:01:18 AM
Northerners are violent. Just because you haven't played in Tuluk don't assume they aren't violent.
How did you make the assumption, from Kronibas's joke about northies being soft, that he's never played in Tuluk?
*confusion*
I probably make fun of Tuluk more than anyone else on the GDB, even though 80% of my characters are played there.
I've yet to receive any Empirical proof that Northies are anything but tea-sipping nancies with wrists too weak to thrust a dagger.
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on December 25, 2013, 02:01:18 AM
Northerners are violent. Just because you haven't played in Tuluk don't assume they aren't violent.
Oh, hi! You must be new here. :P
;) What Zoan doesn't know...
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Can we just ban the horrible, unimaginative and poke-my-eyes-out-boring mudsexxers, err I mean spellers, instead of banning the hottextsex0rz?
so get rid of anybody that I wouldn't mudsex basically?
I'd mudsex you, Shal. Elegantly.
Quote from: ShaLeah on December 25, 2013, 09:27:39 AM
Can we just ban the horrible, unimaginative and poke-my-eyes-out-boring mudsexxers, err I mean spellers, instead of banning the hottextsex0rz?
These usually are FTB scenes. At least I have always FTB on these people because definitely not worth my time.
Poontangpocalypse
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Quote from: ShaLeah on December 25, 2013, 06:27:39 AM
Can we just ban the horrible, unimaginative and poke-my-eyes-out-boring mudsexxers, err I mean spellers, instead of banning the hottextsex0rz?
These usually are FTB scenes. At least I have always FTB on these people because definitely not worth my time.
Yeah not all of us can help our spelling and grammer. It might shock you but some of us have legitimate reasons for not being the best spellers or great at grammer. (like me)
And while I apologise for my typing/spelling. Banning and or ftb and claiming not worth the time? That's bad form from where I am sitting.
Quote from: Yummri on December 26, 2013, 12:34:40 PM
Yeah not all of us can help our spelling and grammer. It might shock you but some of us have legitimate reasons for not being the best spellers or great at grammer. (like me)
And while I apologise for my typing/spelling. Banning and or ftb and claiming not worth the time? That's bad form from where I am sitting.
I think a majority of this thread should be taken in a sarcastic tone, including what she said. :)
Everything Shaleah says should be read with a sarcastic tone, unless she is being nice. Then, you should be afraid.... -very- afraid.
:-*
That or Yummri is really upset that ShaLeah would decide to FTB on him/her.. Way to ruin someone's holidays, ShaLeah :(
I'm not upset, and in all honesty it was taken as sarcasm. I use sarcasm a lot.
But that and the follow up of "not worth my time" seemed a little bit of a harsh response. Even the best spellers and those great with grammar typo and get it wrong. So while taking it with a pinch of salt. It still needed saying. At least I thought so.
Goddamn it ShaLeah, always ruining Christmas! Every time!
Quote from: Yummri on December 26, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
I'm not upset, and in all honesty it was taken as sarcasm. I use sarcasm a lot.
But that and the follow up of "not worth my time" seemed a little bit of a harsh response. Even the best spellers and those great with grammar typo and get it wrong. So while taking it with a pinch of salt. It still needed saying. At least I thought so.
Don't feel bad. She doesn't want to do it with me either. That's OK. We'll be all celibate and productive!
if someone doesn't like your grammar and your grammar doesn't get their rocks off and they ask for ftb it is not bad form, deal with it.
if however they avoid you entirely because of your spelling and grammar, you need to ask yourself just how high your standards are for spelling/grammar or you need to consider that maybe you are just that awful, and try to get some help improving if at all possible.
Quote from: Barzalene on December 26, 2013, 02:34:43 PM
That's OK. We'll be all celibate and productive!
(http://pinkie.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/138646560849.gif)
In spirit of a long forgotten poster...
My position is unassailable.
Quoteif someone doesn't like your grammar and your grammar doesn't get their rocks off and they ask for ftb it is not bad form, deal with it.
if however they avoid you entirely because of your spelling and grammar, you need to ask yourself just how high your standards are for spelling/grammar or you need to consider that maybe you are just that awful, and try to get some help improving if at all possible.
I'll view it as bad form because as I said before, it can't be helped in some cases. It is not something that can just be improved at will. And having a scene cut short for something you personally can't help, and requires a little understanding and patience is just lame.
I personally do my best, but when you can't see how a word is spelt(like me). Or you don't hear every comma, quotation, period or any other punctuation or see them or who they are used(like me) It can be hard to know how they are placed. So while I can understand from a person's prospective who is used to all these thing's prospective and give some leeway, I would expect the same respect in kind. I personally see that as only fair.
QuoteQuote from: Barzalene on Today at 11:34:43 AM
That's OK. We'll be all celibate and productive!
Can't we go someplace and snuggle? Promise I won't fad on you!
I have been on the fence about this new rule. On one hand, fine whatever was my thought, but on the other it makes me wonder why it needs to be mandated. It seems to me that the previous allowance of the actions now banned had markers in place no less than and no greater than any other aspect in which ooc consent must be obtained to apply.
It comes across as perhaps either there are far to many cases of rape and public unwanted molestation going on with out consent for staff to handle or want to ban those individuals perpetrating them. So a mass ban has been put in place.
Other wise I can not see why staff would need to censor the game, further than the previous lines of decorum that had been set.
I feel like the issue is not so much the riddance of rape, but the blanket statement and penalty for any and all actions that display some form of advancement in sexual nature. Be it as innocent as a one person stealing a kiss from another, to the most worst of sexual torture. They are now all deemed the same severity. I have trouble with rl laws that see things so black and white and I have issue with rules in this game that would do the same.
It is not a punishment to fit a crime.
I feel that in a rush to try an augment or fix an issue things are taken to far in extreme. I think their should be some revision, but that is my own opinion as a consenting adult, able to say yes, no, stop and able to adhere to others that say yes, no and stop.
[edited] Shit wrong thread I think: (added) Mudsexing 2014!!!
I'll mudsex you, Potaje. Horrible grammar and all.
He is the exception. Everyone else expect a fade after the first time where I see you suck at it. Karma dock be damned!
Quote from: Yummri on December 26, 2013, 03:22:38 PM
Quoteif someone doesn't like your grammar and your grammar doesn't get their rocks off and they ask for ftb it is not bad form, deal with it.
if however they avoid you entirely because of your spelling and grammar, you need to ask yourself just how high your standards are for spelling/grammar or you need to consider that maybe you are just that awful, and try to get some help improving if at all possible.
I'll view it as bad form because as I said before, it can't be helped in some cases. It is not something that can just be improved at will. And having a scene cut short for something you personally can't help, and requires a little understanding and patience is just lame.
I personally do my best, but when you can't see how a word is spelt(like me). Or you don't hear every comma, quotation, period or any other punctuation or see them or who they are used(like me) It can be hard to know how they are placed. So while I can understand from a person's prospective who is used to all these thing's prospective and give some leeway, I would expect the same respect in kind. I personally see that as only fair.
QuoteQuote from: Barzalene on Today at 11:34:43 AM
That's OK. We'll be all celibate and productive!
Can't we go someplace and snuggle? Promise I won't fad on you!
My only real question here is this.
Being blind, and using a program that reads the screen to you....
Do you change the reader's voice to a sexy time hotline girl voice when you are doing the mudsex to make it more "realistic" for you?
Curious minds want to know.
Hahah.. Knowing how these "e-readers" usually sound like (some sort of robotic neutral voice), it has to be freaking hilarious hearing that voice trying to read what your lover is exclaiming in the heat of his/her passion..
....and now I'm going to log my next mudsex session and totally run it through a program like it just to see.
http://webaim.org/simulations/screenreader-sim.htm
Jesus, it's like making sweet love to Stephen Hawking.
So long as I am asking, do you type in what you want to enter for your own entries after the screen reader confirms where your prompt is at?
Or do you say out loud what you want entered?
Because sitting there saying what you are doing during the mudsex and having the sexy voice say back to you what your partner is doing.....is just such a great mental image.
Quote from: Desertman on December 26, 2013, 03:57:12 PM
So long as I am asking, do you type in what you want to enter for your own entries after the screen reader confirms where your prompt is at?
Or do you say out loud what you want entered?
Because sitting there saying what you are doing during the mudsex and having the sexy voice say back to you what your partner is doing.....is just such a great mental image.
How would that work, though? I can just picture the guy speaking aloud, "emote runs his fingers along TILDE NOSPACE voluptuous while gazing lovingly into (I don't know the English word for ^) NOSPACE voluptuous, his erection showing through ME pants while ME eyes are bright with lust for EXCLAMATION NO SPACE voluptuous"
Quote from: Malken on December 26, 2013, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: Desertman on December 26, 2013, 03:57:12 PM
So long as I am asking, do you type in what you want to enter for your own entries after the screen reader confirms where your prompt is at?
Or do you say out loud what you want entered?
Because sitting there saying what you are doing during the mudsex and having the sexy voice say back to you what your partner is doing.....is just such a great mental image.
How would that work, though? I can just picture the guy speaking aloud, "emote runs his fingers along TILDE NOSPACE voluptuous while gazing lovingly into (I don't know the English word for ^) NOSPACE voluptuous, his erection showing through ME pants while ME eyes are bright with lust for EXCLAMATION NO SPACE voluptuous"
My point exactly.
I want to know how that works.
^ is carat, Malken.
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: Eurynomos on December 24, 2013, 02:43:15 PM
Quote from: Desertman on December 24, 2013, 02:41:19 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 24, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
Not sure why the other thread was closed, it's pretty obvious people still want to discuss this.
Because it had a whole 14 hours and as you can see, anyone who disagrees with the mindset and this change wants to rape people.
Be careful, Desertman.
Yeah, that was a bit snarky.
I can do better than that and should do better than that. My apology.
Can I request that we get the previous thread re-opened since people still want to discuss the topic, and it didn't seem to be open for very long before being closed?
Also, I know you probably didn't mean it this way, but it seems like you are saying anyone who disagrees with this decision just wants to rape people or roleplay raping people and we should find a new game. I apparently am not the only one who felt this way in regards to the comments made by yourself. I find that unsettling and I would like some clarification on that front. Because being openly called a creepy rapist/rapist want-to-be just doesn't seem....right....just because I happen to disagree. (I don't even disagree with the rape subject matter or the lack of said subject matter. I mostly disagree with the universal censorship model.)
Of all the political things I do -not- comment on -this- is the one you want to get involved in.
There was a couple of female voices that were supposed to be sexy once....yeah I can only really describe it as...a drunk hooker, the type you might find in those really really bad 70's porno's, trying to be all sexy when they are really doing more to disturb you than anything else.....good times.
As for speaking...no you could use Dragon for this....but yeah having to be all "Emote, takes, tilde, person, by, the, hips and rides, hard, various enlarged and pornstar qualities, until screaming blah blah blah" is hilarious and generally really, really, embarrassing...but people do, do it.
Also...yeah I hear Stephen Hawkins saying nasty things to me a lot. Good thing I have a great imagination.
Now I wanna have mudsex with the Hawkins.
/me wriggles her eyebrows.
Quote from: Yummri on December 26, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
I'm not upset, and in all honesty it was taken as sarcasm. I use sarcasm a lot.
But that and the follow up of "not worth my time" seemed a little bit of a harsh response. Even the best spellers and those great with grammar typo and get it wrong. So while taking it with a pinch of salt. It still needed saying. At least I thought so.
Just for your information I said that boring mudsexers weren't worth my time. I don't call people who have problems with grammar or with slow typing or slow reading boring. I call boring people boring. I've found quite a few people that mudsex that have really bad grammar or are slow at reading and typing to be quite worthy of my time. I would suggest in the future you don't assume that boring means something without finding out what it means first.
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on December 26, 2013, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: Yummri on December 26, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
I'm not upset, and in all honesty it was taken as sarcasm. I use sarcasm a lot.
But that and the follow up of "not worth my time" seemed a little bit of a harsh response. Even the best spellers and those great with grammar typo and get it wrong. So while taking it with a pinch of salt. It still needed saying. At least I thought so.
Just for your information I said that boring mudsexers weren't worth my time. I don't call people who have problems with grammar or with slow typing or slow reading boring. I call boring people boring. I've found quite a few people that mudsex that have really bad grammar or are slow at reading and typing to be quite worthy of my time. I would suggest in the future you don't assume that boring means something without finding out what it means first.
Err, he wasn't responding to you.
Quote from: Narf on December 26, 2013, 07:37:49 PM
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on December 26, 2013, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: Yummri on December 26, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
I'm not upset, and in all honesty it was taken as sarcasm. I use sarcasm a lot.
But that and the follow up of "not worth my time" seemed a little bit of a harsh response. Even the best spellers and those great with grammar typo and get it wrong. So while taking it with a pinch of salt. It still needed saying. At least I thought so.
Just for your information I said that boring mudsexers weren't worth my time. I don't call people who have problems with grammar or with slow typing or slow reading boring. I call boring people boring. I've found quite a few people that mudsex that have really bad grammar or are slow at reading and typing to be quite worthy of my time. I would suggest in the future you don't assume that boring means something without finding out what it means first.
Err, he wasn't responding to you.
Um no he wasn't but he used my comment stating someone else had said it. I was just clarifying who said the comment.
I'm very very boring and bland with this stuff, but at least better than IRL ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYws8biwOYc
Typoing in mudsex scenes is so embarrassing...
emote reaches out to cup you firm beasts, kneadig them as they pee deeply into you's eye... :P
Oh god MadHatter, take me now.
Acockalypto
Quote from: Zoan on December 28, 2013, 05:03:58 PM
Oh god MadHatter, take me now.
I probably have :D
Also : Ahmagettinsome
Quote from: MadHatter on December 28, 2013, 11:14:34 AM
Typoing in mudsex scenes is so embarrassing...
emote reaches out to cup you firm beasts, kneadig them as they pee deeply into you's eye... :P
I've seen similar typos like this before in emotes. OOC "You're peeing in my eye?"
Other person OOC: "Fuck, typo hold on let me correct."
I just start laughing. But then again I've typo'd before myself in even non-mudsex scenerios.
The first time I was asked for consent, I received:
OOC: Consent for graphic sexual content, violence, rape, torture, possible removal of genitals, dismemberment, death, (the list went on quite a ways, filling the three and a half lines)...
I thought IRL: Oh dear, what have I just gotten into?
Two seconds later...
ooc Consent granted.
First time I mudsexxxed, I was so new that I didn't know any emote special characters besides ~.
So yeah, I then spent a good few years of my Armageddon career frequently practicing teh mudsex to atone for that. I think I got a handle on it all now. ::)
I've always wanted to do this:
(Me) OOC: Consent to horrible sicko weirdo things that anyone should be ashamed of participating in, even in a virtual world.
(Them) OOC: Consent granted.
(Me) OOC: Well, that's good to know....I would like to fade please. Missionary only. May God have mercy on your soul.
Quote from: Desertman on December 30, 2013, 10:03:36 AM
I've always wanted to do this:
(Me) OOC: Consent to horrible sicko weirdo things that anyone should be ashamed of participating in, even in a virtual world.
(Them) OOC: Consent granted.
(Me) OOC: Well, that's good to know....I would like to fade please. Missionary only. May God have mercy on your soul.
emote closes his eyes and determinedly begins sexual intercourse solely for the sake of procreation, with the lights off.
Quote from: Fujikoma on December 30, 2013, 02:08:46 AM
The first time I was asked for consent, I received:
OOC: Consent for graphic sexual content, violence, rape, torture, possible removal of genitals, dismemberment, death, (the list went on quite a ways, filling the three and a half lines)...
I thought IRL: Oh dear, what have I just gotten into?
Two seconds later...
ooc Consent granted.
Ha! I'd know -that- consent message anywhere.
I though that meant I'd reached another level in mudsexxing... (http://webpagefxblog.webpagefx1.netdna-cdn.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/scott-pilgrim-level-up.jpg)
I want to see this happen:
Sultry Seductress (OOC): Consent to sex?
Amos (OOC): Hell Yes! Consent granted!
Sultry seductress removes her skirt, revealing large man-junk.
Amos (OOC): Consent revoked!!! FTB!!!!
Sultry Seductress (OOC): Too late for that, big boy.
Quote from: Heade on December 30, 2013, 07:38:48 PM
I want to see this happen:
Sultry Seductress (OOC): Consent to sex?
Amos (OOC): Hell Yes! Consent granted!
Sultry seductress removes her skirt, revealing large man-junk.
Amos (OOC): Consent revoked!!! FTB!!!!
Sultry Seductress (OOC): Too late for that, big boy.
HAHAHA! I've half expected this exact thing to happen every time, decided if it did I'd just roll with it.
Quote from: Fujikoma on December 31, 2013, 01:01:50 AM
Quote from: Heade on December 30, 2013, 07:38:48 PM
I want to see this happen:
Sultry Seductress (OOC): Consent to sex?
Amos (OOC): Hell Yes! Consent granted!
Sultry seductress removes her skirt, revealing large man-junk.
Amos (OOC): Consent revoked!!! FTB!!!!
Sultry Seductress (OOC): Too late for that, big boy.
HAHAHA! I've half expected this exact thing to happen every time, decided if it did I'd just roll with it.
Been there, did that.
Dwarven seduktion skillz.
say U ben' ovah now, 'k?
dorfs don't mudsex. they do ruff circle and then babeh tdesc.
I am just returning to the game... What have I returned to?! So many rape discussions..
Quote from: BlackMagic0 on January 06, 2014, 05:12:17 PM
I am just returning to the game... What have I returned to?! So many rape discussions..
Welcome back, man.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on January 06, 2014, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: BlackMagic0 on January 06, 2014, 05:12:17 PM
I am just returning to the game... What have I returned to?! So many rape discussions..
Welcome back, man.
Hah. You know how long it took me to finally figure out my password. It's been a LONG time. >.> Though thanks RGS.
Quote from: BlackMagic0 on January 06, 2014, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on January 06, 2014, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: BlackMagic0 on January 06, 2014, 05:12:17 PM
I am just returning to the game... What have I returned to?! So many rape discussions..
Welcome back, man.
Hah. You know how long it took me to finally figure out my password. It's been a LONG time. >.> Though thanks RGS.
Welcome back!
Come for the rape, stay for the disappointment.