Mudsex apocalypse?

[Jingo]

No.

Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.

Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.

All molestation and groping are by definition unwanted. That makes it sexual assault. Rape is a third degree of sexual assault.

Check your local sex assault laws for details.

[slvrmoontiger]

In regard to this question in ATS.

It doesn't have to be that difficult.  If your PC wants to slap my PC's ass, I'd prefer not to have everyone's immersion interrupted by an ooc consent request.  It's all about power emoting.  If you do something like "em reaches out as if to slap %ourla slammin' asscheeks" it gives me the chance to accept or reject the advance.  Done. Easy.

Not really, the problem here also flows over into third parties being subject to the rape/forceful material.

What if someone is in the room with you watching you hidden and they don't want to witness the rough sexual play that they don't realize is just "playing" and not actual dominance? Even if you and your sexual partner have had the rough sex a thousand times, you never know who is watching that 1,001st time. They might not realize this is just how you do it. They will think it is actual rape/this guy forcing his overly dominant sexual advances on you.

What if there is a hidden magicker?

What if there is a mindbender watching you or something who isn't privy to the agreement?

Now they are subject to the issue at hand. What if they tell someone else they saw your guy raping you or being forceful with you? Now there is  a third party plotline where they think he is a rapist?

Now we have fifteen character reports and complaints and your guy complaining that he is being complained against and he isn't even a rapist because you guys just like it rough and you didn't know someone was watching. Craziness.

It gets very convoluted when you start universally hardline censoring things.

If in public I totally agree everyone that is there or could be there should have consent to anything sexual related.

I think you're going a little overboard if its done in the privacy of a rented apartment. If in the privacy of a rented apartment someone is there watching and hidden or a mindbender is in your mind watching then that's their problem. If you believe to be alone in an apartment that is rented by you and no one else should be there you should feel fine as long as anyone who you do know and is visible  that is there consents. Everyone else they are free to leave if they don't want to watch it.

While I would like to agree with you, because I want you to be right.

You aren't.

You can't even ask someone to consent anymore for this sort of thing.

There is no forceful sex in this game. Even if both people consent.

Oops, my bad I thought you meant just with the whole mudsexing aspect that's what I was referring to anyways.

[KankWhisperer]

So if you emote -attempts- to slap %Amos ass. That is stopping the power emoting part. What I'm asking is do you have to get consent from the rest of the bar. I thought someone said that somewhere.

[RogueGunslinger]

No.

Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.

Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.

All molestation and groping are by definition unwanted. That makes it sexual assault. Rape is a third degree of sexual assault.

Check your local sex assault laws for details.

Yes, but we're asking staff if it's okay, not just assuming staff is using the definition of the law in the USA.

[Eyeball]

If we're going by modern society's rules, a woman receiving any unwanted contact is sexual assault. To be fully legal, you need consent each step of the way, or it can become sexual assault or even rape.

Basically, to be truly legal, you need two lawyers present to negotiate each action.

If we're imposing this in-game, with the staff replacing the police and court system, it's probably better for all male characters to just be celibate.

Sorry, honey, the only thing I'll touch you with is sword and spear.

Hmm, and I guess wrestling as part of unarmed training is out now.

[slvrmoontiger]

Armageddon doesn't go on real life modern laws. If they did I wouldn't be just watching the forums.

[Desertman]

No.

Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.

Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.

All molestation and groping are by definition unwanted. That makes it sexual assault. Rape is a third degree of sexual assault.

Check your local sex assault laws for details.

Yes, but we're asking staff if it's okay, not just assuming staff is using the definition of the law in the USA.

This.

If our goal is to follow the US penal code I don't have the proper degree to play this game. As such, I am assuming this is not what the staff wants to do here.

Any sort of sexual advance that isn't wanted, be it penetration, molestation, groping, kissing, etc..etc..should be defined as rape for the purposes of our game. That is really the only way to ensure people don't cross the line or push anyone's comfort zones.

I would rather have it hardline defined than risk having my PC stored because I never knew what was "too much".

[Malken]

I'm just going to continue playing the way I've been playing for 10+ years, if I get banned for something related to this, I won't even be mad, I'll be amazed.

[Desertman]

I'm just going to continue playing the way I've been playing for 10+ years, if I get banned for something related to this, I won't even be mad, I'll be amazed.

The amount of sense this makes is slap-in-the-face logical.

[Jingo]

Well staff already told what is and isn't allowed and---

Forget it.

[slvrmoontiger]

No.

Also, molestation and groping are not the same thing.

Unwanted molestation and groping is a form of rape.

All molestation and groping are by definition unwanted. That makes it sexual assault. Rape is a third degree of sexual assault.

Check your local sex assault laws for details.

Yes, but we're asking staff if it's okay, not just assuming staff is using the definition of the law in the USA.

This.

If our goal is to follow the US penal code I don't have the proper degree to play this game. As such, I am assuming this is not what the staff wants to do here.

Any sort of sexual advance that isn't wanted, be it penetration, molestation, groping, kissing, etc..etc..should be defined as rape for the purposes of our game. That is really the only way to ensure people don't cross the line or push anyone's comfort zones.

I would rather have it hardline defined than risk having my PC stored because I never knew what was "too much".

Completely agree with this. It should have been set this way from the beginning. I wouldn't have to face what I am if it was.

[SmashedTregil]

I actually agree with Malken on this one. What a scary can of worms this is. I've played Red Fangs that used to enslave/dominate people all the time and never once actually played out a rape scene in my entire time on Armageddon. I'll just play how I always played, instead of letting myself be paralyzed and second-guessing myself.


Been gone from Arm for most of December and come back to 'this' conversation. Consider my eyes saucer-sized.

[Yummri]

You know, I'm new to this game. And I'm a fully grown man with a lot of experience with rp games where this is in effect. And the original announcement made perfect sense to me.

What is really sad is how far some of you are talking this, while having the nerve to say other players are immature and unintelligent. Just play the game, if you have doubts ask an admin but they are not stopping you from playing your characters, stopping them from being pervy to each other in taverns or expecting you to be asking consent for every little detailed action that you can possibly think of. Just let it go,

Overreacting isn't gonna make things better. Game on.

[SmashedTregil]

One thing that makes me sad in all of this. For years, I've dreamed of one day running a Delf character who made a lirathan give birth to a desert elf child, just to see where 'that' goes. Oh well ... only thing that stops me now is that it's against the game rules. Shacks.

[RogueGunslinger]

Well staff already told what is and isn't allowed and---

Actually 2 different staff said 2 different things. And both clarifications are part of a thread, and not part of the documentation or rules.

Yummri there is nothing wrong about wanting clarification and boundaries to be set with rules. Are we nit-picking, maybe a little. But having this discussion like this is a good thing, and if it ends with the rules being more clear and easy to follow, that can only be a good thing. Nobody is overreacting.

[KankWhisperer]

I misread the post about the templar grabbing aide's ass.

[Harmless]

One thing that makes me sad in all of this. For years, I've dreamed of one day running a Delf character who made a lirathan give birth to a desert elf child, just to see where 'that' goes. Oh well ... only thing that stops me now is that it's against the game rules. Shacks.

There aren't Lirathans anymore, that's what's stopping you.

(keep talking people! I expect another 20 pages of good reading when I get back.)

[slvrmoontiger]

One thing that makes me sad in all of this. For years, I've dreamed of one day running a Delf character who made a lirathan give birth to a desert elf child, just to see where 'that' goes. Oh well ... only thing that stops me now is that it's against the game rules. Shacks.

Too bad the Lirathian order is no more so there are two reasons you couldn't do this now.

[SmashedTregil]

You dirty breed! Your momma's one necker lover huh!

No she's not!

Oh yeah? Then how's it you sportin' sharp ears, chum?

Some filthy necker Sjir! I hate them all!  One of them rap ... "poof"

Tuluki style, everyone pretends the barstool was always empty as they change to other topics.

[ShaLeah]

If our characters can't have sex I quit!


Or play half giants.. or dorfs.. cause ew, who the fuck finds THAT sexy?

Oh no wait. It's for the roleplay, not to get YOUR rocks off.

Never mind!

[Fujikoma]

I always thought you can do whatever you want with whoever you want, as long as it's in character, you get consent, are able to accept the consequences and don't try to hide it from staff. I guess now the conversation going on in another thread may or may not sway how the new rule is interpreted.

[Inks]

What if you mudsex someone and halfway through they say 'stop' IC and you are like 'can you just hang in there for a minute? ' IC. Is that threatening rape?

[Zoan]

Next on Fox News: Too much violence in Armageddon? Everyone will be a merchant in the next update.

[Kronibas]

Next on Fox News: Too much violence in Armageddon? Everyone will be merchants in the next update.

Merchants can be terribly violent, so here, let me fix that for you...

Next on Fox News: Too much violence in Armageddon? Everyone will be Northern in the next update.

Just kiddin' Tulukis  


Also... Could care less about mudsex.  Chopping mothafuckaz up with bone swords, etc...

[slvrmoontiger]

Northerners are violent. Just because you haven't played in Tuluk don't assume they aren't violent.