Gemmed Temples Idea

[Pale Horse]

Yeah, the drovian help file mentions it.

But then, the elementalist help files also mention things like people hiring rukkians as travel companions and vivs as part of clans/houses.

I'd also note:  opposites can attract.  Of course, that won't guarantee they get along well for very long, if at all.

There's nothing stopping a Viv and Krathi from finding each other frustratingly exciting, because their approaches are so contrary to each other.

True. 

Then again, it has been pointed out that Gemmed are characters and not just a set of spells and skills.  They are people, first.  The degree to which a magicker is affected, personality wise, by their element is entirely up to the player.

Maybe that Drovian likes hanging out with Krathi.  All that fire-magick messes with their shadows?  Who says they like the dark or their magick?  Maybe they have a fascination with fire.  Moths to flames and all that.

[HavokBlue]

I always liked the idea of a kind of vibrant, light drovian who's wrapped up in the "you need light to cast a shadow" thing  and then I realized I was thinking of Mellisandra.

[Rathustra]

I've always preferred magickers who aren't influenced by their elemental connection outside of its existence. I think Armageddon's strongest magickal themes revolve around magickers just being people who's lives have been interrupted. I'll leave high magic to the dusty, long-forgotten corners of the game as something to be witnessed and marveled at, not forcibly/artificially injected into a concept.

[Tetra]

I've always preferred magickers who aren't influenced by their elemental connection outside of its existence. I think Armageddon's strongest magickal themes revolve around magickers just being people who's lives have been interrupted. I'll leave high magic to the dusty, long-forgotten corners of the game as something to be witnessed and marveled at, not forcibly/artificially injected into a concept.

I agree. Though, how about the convenience and laziness that wielding magick brings? And the protean attitudes that come with realizing or understanding the depth of magick(though that's markedly uncommon, considering the world culture)?

I see this as more of a natural byproduct as you become more adept with your magick/element.

[Agent_137]

Are fire and water supposed to be opposed according to the docs? I mean, it sounds right, but I thought I remembered that the helpfiles said fire and shadow were the ones that don't get along.

Well I haven't read that before. Reference:
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Krathis
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Elementalist%20Culture

P.S.
Derp i responded to a post on page one

[Beethoven]

It says something about them being opposed in the Drovian helpfile, I think, although as has been stated before, you should probably not take that at face value since those docs have a lot of outdated information.

[Marauder Moe]

I've spent a lot of time OOC and IC musing about the elements and their relationships.

Armageddon's magick system is either not symmetrical/logical, or it's missing at least 7 elements.

In most magical/spiritual/whatever systems, fire and water are indeed opposites.  However, consider that Zalanthas may have a culturally warped view of the elements due to the world being horribly out of balance.  After all, who would waste precious water to put out a fire?

[Talia]

emote pees deeply into the fire

[valeria]

Fires are probably put out by sand.  ... I'm going to make me a Ruk-hating Krathi.

[whitt]

Fires are probably put out by sand.  ... I'm going to make me a Ruk-hating Krathi.

Everyone knows that in Allanak, fires are put out by burying the fire under a heap of dead rioters.

[nauta]

Fires are probably put out by sand.  ... I'm going to make me a Ruk-hating Krathi.

Everyone knows that in Allanak, fires are put out by burying the fire under a heap of dead rioters elves.

FTFY

[whitt]

Fires are probably put out by sand.  ... I'm going to make me a Ruk-hating Krathi.

Everyone knows that in Allanak, fires are put out by burying the fire under a heap of dead rioters elves.

FTFY

There'd need to be enough elves to make a heap...  

Woot Elf Derail!  Go!

[Bast]

Obviously I'm biased here, but I loved the Council of Mages. I seriously had a blast flying around with five to twelve other mages just exploring the mud and playing with our spells on each other. I could entertain myself and others for hours on end and that's partly because of a certain secret thing but we seriously had some epic adventures without the need of any animation from staff. 

Oash can be hard if your playing with a Noble that hates magick or doesn't know what to do with Magickers. It can turn into a lot of explaining stuff to them that almost feels like cheating and having them just sent you for silly components and encouraging you to spam cast to branch for them...or worse completely ignoring you so your basically sitting around the Oashi magickers barrack with your thumbs up your butt.  I've also seen situations where you have an Oash that actually seems to out right hate mages. While being abused is part of the hardship you deal with as a mage it gets very old very fast when its 24-7 in the ONLY Clan you can join. I would just like to see AoD take mages again..I think its even still in the docs that they take krathi (maybe wrong here I haven't checked in a few years) ..I don't think further isolating them from the rest of the player base adds to the game and the Council of Mages did in way do that.

[Asmoth]

Obviously I'm biased here, but I loved the Council of Mages. I seriously had a blast flying around with five to twelve other mages just exploring the mud and playing with our spells on each other. I could entertain myself and others for hours on end and that's partly because of a certain secret thing but we seriously had some epic adventures without the need of any animation from staff. 

Oash can be hard if your playing with a Noble that hates magick or doesn't know what to do with Magickers. It can turn into a lot of explaining stuff to them that almost feels like cheating and having them just sent you for silly components and encouraging you to spam cast to branch for them...or worse completely ignoring you so your basically sitting around the Oashi magickers barrack with your thumbs up your butt.  I've also seen situations where you have an Oash that actually seems to out right hate mages. While being abused is part of the hardship you deal with as a mage it gets very old very fast when its 24-7 in the ONLY Clan you can join. I would just like to see AoD take mages again..I think its even still in the docs that they take krathi (maybe wrong here I haven't checked in a few years) ..I don't think further isolating them from the rest of the player base adds to the game and the Council of Mages did in way do that.

Aod taking mages would be awesome.

[whitt]

Pretty sure AoD has gemmed whenever they want them.

[Asmoth]

Pretty sure AoD has gemmed whenever they want them.

pretty sure they mean actually coded arm. IE untouchable by crimcode

[BadSkeelz]

Meh. AoD soldiers are already kind of superfluous and little better than cannon-fodder when it comes to getting shit done. Having mages around in an official capacity just kind of gets in the way of the mundane soldiers meaningfully contributing. RPTs also seem to get more deadly (in terms of resistance and obstacles) the more non-mundanes you have, which usually just translates to higher casualty rates among the mundanes.

Gemmed are certainly useful and my soldier would have died a lot of times over without their support. So maybe I'm just resentful of their utility and their effect of dragging the game away from low fantasy.

Pretty sure AoD has gemmed whenever they want them.

pretty sure they mean actually coded arm. IE untouchable by crimcode

Which would be pretty disastrous, given the amount of shenanigans Gemmed can get up to even without being Crimcoded.

[whitt]

pretty sure they mean actually coded arm. IE untouchable by crimcode

Yeah... those are called Templars.  You make a gemmed untouchable by crimcode... and oof.  I mean.  I get your point.  But it would also mean anyone attacking an out of control gick would be destroyed by the crimcode.  One gemmed players goes wrong with this and so many bad things happen.  Just not worth it.

Gemmed can be clanned AoD when needed by the powers that be.

[Asmoth]

I don't think anyone worth their salt would abuse the AOD clanning.  Otherwise what are they doing playing a mage in the first place?

[BadSkeelz]

Wanting to use (intentionally and thematically appropriate) overpowered skills to wipe out sponsored roles/long lived characters/people who won't mudsex you/etc. Karma players are still players and prone to the same lapses of judgement. You don't even need very high karma (or any at all) to play a magicker.

[Marauder Moe]

I don't think anyone worth their salt would abuse the AOD clanning.  Otherwise what are they doing playing a mage in the first place?

Certainly, yes, we can trust karma players not to abuse certain things.

The problem is, especially in this hypothetical scenario, is that people may have differing ideas about what "abuse" is.

[Talia]

Gemmed mages are never going to be officially part of the AoD. Next topic!

[BadSkeelz]

Could we have magick-mount fighting pits added? plzkthx

[whitt]

Gemmed mages are never going to be officially part of the AoD. Next topic!

[Talia]

Could we have magick-mount fighting pits added? plzkthx

anticipated your request and have already implemented this, ur welcome

lawl