Hidden emotes revisited

[anon]

Alright, I just need to get this off my chest.
[vent]
If you -must- emote while hidden, please keep it to things that make sense to emote while hidden.

Things caused by movements, sounds maybe, possibly a brush against somebody, whatever, these things I at least can ignore, I can easily continue to play along that my char does not -see- this person or know they are there.

But emoting the color of your chars eyes, who he/she is looking at and readjusting your clothing while describing your chars physical nature while -hidden- is simply too much, it is too hard to play around...at least for me. And simply makes no sense IMO.

[/vent]

[ShaLeah]

Hidden people aren't invisible, it is very possible that someone, maybe not you, but someone can see them quite clearly. I don't see anything wrong with a pair of bright silver eyes suddenly appearing and disappearing when you walk down the street. Maybe you would even see such things and try to find what it was you think you saw.
If you see Someone, then obviously you can't clearly see them so you don't react and if you do react, it's not to stand up and spam scan.

I don't see anything wrong with getting the general idea of what's hidden, in fact, I applaud people who emote while hiding. It takes balls to make your presence known, even more balls to give clues as to what you are.

[Armaddict]

Er, so once we're hidden...we shouldn't emote anymore?

I don't care if your character wouldn't see it, that hidden person is still moving around, still interacting with things.  Some people feel like describing it.  They're having fun, leave it alone.

[origanel poster]

I disagree mostly, Oh, I have no problem with, as your example "a pair of bright silver eyes suddenly appearing and disappearing" That would be an example of a good hidden emote, or emote a quiet sound of rustling fathric is heard as @ passes through the shadows.

But, when it is something like "emote pulls his dusty dark cloak closer around his brawny shoulders as he stares at ~pc with his shiny silver eyes, smiling slightly and licking his teeth."

Come on now, that's simply too much.

I used to emote while hidden now and again, mostly environment style emotes, but I've since thought it over and decided it simply does not make since to give out the OOC info, nor do I think people want it, it is a distraction and often times hard to play around.

I'm rapidly becoming a fan of the hmote idea (or whatever it was) An emote that if you are hidden, only people who -can- see you will see.

Only my take of course.

[Armaddict]

Yeah, well, it's one of your peeves.

Some people could have another one.

Me, I have one against people who don't bother trying to spell.

[OP again]

Fathric? I must be tired, fabric.

Oh, and armaddict, like not bothering to spell on the GDB has anything to do with RP or Arm. {sniff sniff} almost smells like a flame..at least an unneeded dig.

Now, on to your post that actually ment something.

Er, so once we're hidden...we shouldn't emote anymore?

I don't care if your character wouldn't see it, that hidden person is still moving around, still interacting with things. Some people feel like describing it. They're having fun, leave it alone.

IMO, no.

And thats right, you don't care, and sure they are having fun and detracting from my enjoyment by giving out OOC info that I simply do not want or need, while also giving TONS of IC info that I should not have. Who is more important? Neither of course, but if one person "having fun" detracts from 5 peoples fun, now who is more important?

HMOTE command NEEDED, that would solve both problems. Yup.

[flashz00]

Er, so once we're hidden...we shouldn't emote anymore?

I don't care if your character wouldn't see it, that hidden person is still moving around, still interacting with things.  Some people feel like describing it.  They're having fun, leave it alone.

I totally agree with you. If you like emoting while your hidden then keep doing it, who gives a fuck if everyone instantly stands up and spams scan? I surely don't. I know it is a little rediciously for everyone to scan soon as -they- oocly see the emote, rather or not your pc may or may not  have been able to see.

[Meatwad]

So basically your character can't see him because he is hidden, yet somehow suddenly sees all this physical detail that is very in depth about what hte person looks like and what they are doing?  That's not right to me.  If you can't see a hidden person, how will you be able to suddenly notice they are licking their teeth?  I'd suggest to leave that stuff out when emoting while hidden.

Oh, and is there a reason people use IMO?  Isn't it fundamentally understood that what they are writing is their opinion unless otherwise stated?

[Armaddict]

Sure, now their player knows it.  Their character doesn't.

Are you going to use it?

[Meatwad]

Why would you even do that then?  That's like someone walking into a bar with 20 pcs and going
say (with a smirk) Anyone want to go hunting?
ooc I'm a sorceror haha

Why would you give away information like that?  It's jarring in ooc, it's jarring in a hidden emote when you gain the info and then have to play as if you didn't know it.

[ShaLeah]

This topic has been discussed before. Here, read this:

http://www.zalanthas.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=78039&highlight=#78039


It is widely argued. I'm for the emoting. I can ignore IC'ly things I don't see while still admiring them OOC'ly. Like I said, it takes balls of steel to let people know you're around, even bigger balls to play through that if you're on the unsuspecting/unseeing end.

[Meatwad]

I am for emoting while hidden as well.  But then if it is your testicular fortitude you are showing off, don't even use the coded hide command, just emote it.  See how people react then when you are still there, able to be looked at, but only emoting being hidden.

[Cenghiz]

Err... this ain't a MUSH... People shouldn't be forced to play out such situations.. All of us don't have dice-sets with us. Code must roll the dices for me.
And, I won't play a sneaky char till hemote is implemented. It's kinda lame. It's both bad even if you emote or not.

Cenghiz, the whining b#!@h.

[OP]

Sure, now their player knows it. Their character doesn't.

Are you going to use it?

I should, since it is being forced on me, but then I don't think the ooc information should be forced on me, or the ic. I also don't see how anybody thinks it takes balls of steel to hidden emote, if anything it takes less balls seeing as MOST pc's -can't- see them.

Nowdays I do scan on a hidden emote, why, because like the hidden emote giving away OOC info, so does the scan echo (personaly I think the echo should go away and be like listen, after all, it's the same thing only paying more attention with your eyes not your ears) Since scan has a diration which is coded and ooc, the hidden emote did nothing but remind me, the player, not the pc, to reactivate this skill. The PC never stopped paying attention.

But my biggest beef with hidden emotes (restating) are any that tell me, the player, what your char is doing or gives anything away on your char's description. Bad enough letting me know your there at all.

[ShaLeah]

I am for emoting while hidden as well.  But then if it is your testicular fortitude you are showing off, don't even use the coded hide command, just emote it.  See how people react then when you are still there, able to be looked at, but only emoting being hidden.

It doesn't sound like you are, at all.

You'd emote the same if you were being watched or not, wouldn't you? Why would being hidden change your emoting at all. You don't seem to get it, a change in IC behavior (things your character would do normally anyway, things he'd bring attention to on any given day) because of coded change is  basically wrong. You're supposed to act the same way, consistently, it's like making a perfectly nice person completely snap and turn into a psycho killer because they stubbed their toe.
Let's say you're a merchant and your scan is maxed. Let's say you're sitting in a tavern, drinking with your cronies, and suddenly a someone emotes... what do you do?
You didn't see it. You should do nothing. You should definately not stand up and scan.
On the flip side...
Let's say you're a merchant and your scan is maxed. Let's say you're sitting in a tavern, drinking with your cronies, and you scanned before you sat down... your scan will still be in effect when that someone walks in. You type look. You see something. You look over... -then- it's okay to look.
It's the same principle.
I fail to see why giving clues to who you are in a hidden emote has any bearing at all whatsoever in your character reacting to something THEY CAN'T SEE. What.... are you gonna suddenly look at me when I'm not hidden and know it was me because you see that I still brush my brawny shoulders and bat my purple eyes and am wearing the same cloak?
Let me remind you.
You didn't fucking see me.

[Meatwad]

Wow...sorry to bring on the wrath of ShaLeah.  Didn't know expressing a point of view would get me sworn at.

[OP]

And the scan, as a skill is OOC too Shalaeh, no reason to not stand up and make sure it is active, specialy when somebody was so nice as to give away to me, the player that it way have worn off.

As to being consistant in your IC actions, this has nothing to do with emotes, as has been stated by staff, RP does not equal emoting and vice versa.  And your right, My PC can't see you, so stop forcing me to ignore it, as was said before, it's jarring at the very least, plus I'm forced to double check sometimes even scrollback in a tavern to see if it was a hidden emote or not before my char reacts.

But really, I don't want to know, I want my char to react naturaly to the things that actually happen to him, and this gets tainted by my OOC knowledge. it is much easier for your pc to act suprised if you really were.

Like I said before, I'm all for emoting the things you do, but if pc's are not supposed to be able to see you, keep it that way.

[Cenghiz]

You're the 19853rd person arguing this subject, Meatwad. It's all discussed. From now on an imm must tell us if it's OK to emote, how much is OK, if there's going to be 'hemote' or such. Anybody else arguing about this topic is doing nothing. It's waste of time.
But I'm sure 100% percent that if you stand and scan suddenly after 'someone' emotes a think, it's frowned upon. We call this "twinkish behaviour".

>sleep
You lie down and sleep
.....
Someone grins staring at you, then he reaches for your white silk sash.

... So? Code someone gives us a little OOC info. Just learn to ignore it. Or you'd prefer waking up without the coins in your sash, not knowing anything about it?

[ShaLeah]

And the scan, as a skill is OOC too Shalaeh, no reason to not stand up and make sure it is active, specialy when somebody was so nice as to give away to me, the player that it way have worn off.

That I can perfectly understand, but standing up and scanning immediately after a Someonemote seems a bit shady to me. Convenient, and twinky.

[Meatwad]

Actually Cenghiz, I would prefer to wake up not knowing anything about it.  That's what my character would know, and I wouldn't want to know anything more playing him, so that no bias would enter my playing even unintentionally.

[Ghost]

Ok, talking about the same subject again, are we?

I agree somewhat with the original poster.  I am all -against- emoting blindly while hidden.  If you want to emote while hidden, make it a good one.  Make it such that, even if my character has seen your action, he would not give a shit.  Well, it has already been discussed to death, so I wont go in much detail.  

If you want to express your actions, you can use "think" emote.  It works well, I tell you.  I always use them, if I am playing a sneaky char.  Or you can use "change ldesc" it is also fine.

If you want to remain hidden, do it.  Dont force me to ignore what I am seeing on the screen.  What is the reason in letting me know about it?  

Now if you still dont care about "think" emotes or such, and you are still persistent to use "emote", and if you are putting an emote like:
"emote watches ~you in the shadowed corner of the tavern, behind a thick crowd of patrons"
AND so you are forcing me to ignore some lines on the screen I am seeing, then please ignore my scanning echoes, and dont whine about spam-scanners.

EDIT:  Sorry, the post my sound a little offensive, because of seeing it a million times maybe.  Please dont take any offense, and let me add:
I have forced myself to ignore a few -really- stupid emotes, and I tell you, it steals every bit of fun from me.  So I am totally against hidden emoters.  I would like you to hide those lines from me, as you have hidden yourself.  Or make it a good one, a good VNPC like echo (looks cryptic does not it) so we can both have fun without punching each other in the face

[Forest Junkie]

Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

Here it comes j00s, I've reached the breaking point:

If I hear another person gripe about how a hidden emote ruins their fun and experience. Their concept and flow. Their ooc intentions. Their evening of mudsex and asskissing. Their glass of Reynolte's finest, along with a sliver of spiced tandu sausage. If I hear -any- more boohooing in regards to hidden emotes, or the players that perform them, I will suspend every offender upside down from my garage and proceed to beat their tender asses with a metal-spiked paddle.

It's been driven into the ground. It's been debated. People have killed each other over it. Wars were fought. Countries conquered. Entire civilizations destroyed.

AND WE STILL HAVE NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT.

Until a highlord comes ON this board, states that HIDDEN EMOTES are BAD JUUJUU, I will continue to use hidden emotes at my discretion. Granted, I stick to wilderness hidden emotes rather than the city kind, but that's my style. But if nessalin da slayer himself comes on this board and says he doesn't like it and wishes ALL of hidden emoting to stop, then so be it, I'll obey. Until that day comes, however, you can bet I'll toss out an emote if I feel the need.

And with that, Junkie disappears in a flash of powder.

*tip-toes up behind your unsuspecting ass, knowing fully you can't use OOC methods to discover him! BWAHAHAHAHA*

[WhiteRanger (Logged out)]

Basically what it boils down to is, when someone is emoting while they are hidden, they arent doing it to give your characters information, they are doing it to better describe thier actions for you so that when they slip a dagger into your back, or pick the coins out of your pocket, you can better react to the situation, they are doing it to help your role play, so dont bitch at them for trying to help you. They are trying at the very least to entertain themselves and the rest of the room, if it irritates you, then I suggest you leave the room.

Its like this, if someone is hidden on top of your wooden statue of a kank in your apartment, and they jump down from atop the statue driving thier dagger down at the top of your head.....but they dont emote that before backstabbing you,,,when it drives through to your brain and you might have a split second to emote something before your pitiful death, what will you emote? Probably just falling over, but if they emote jumping down and slamming thier obsidian blade into your skull, the chances are you will have a much better chance to increase the quality of the events around you by adding your own twist to the scenario....just because you wouldnt see him pull the dagger from his belt atop your statue of a kank, dosent mean they shouldnt emote it,,,they are just trusting that you arent some pathetic code abusing, ooc knowledge using piece of ARM VIRAL STREET TRASH.........


*WhiteRanger who probably got a little carried away...sorry*  :twisted:

[jhunter]

I'm not afraid of you FJ...  I scoff at your paddle.

I'm one who's against hidden emoting, it does ruin the experience for me as I've posted several times before. :roll:  
If someone can't respect that and persists on doing it with me, then I've no respect for them if they don't care about ruining the experience for me and insist on giving me OOC info that I don't want or need.  

I prefer to be in an emotional state of surprise along -with- my pc and have surprises revealed to both of us at the same time.
It is:

1) More fun for me the player.

2) Keeps me immersed in my role instead of taking me out of my role.

3) It also creates a more realistic response as my pc and I both found out at the same time and can respond accordingly.

*sigh* I'm sick of the subject popping up as well...this'll be the last time I post on the subject...I think I'll just link together my past responses from now on. *Goes off to make a better paddle than FJ's.*

HEMOTE!!!HEMOTE!!!HEMOTE!!!HEMOTE!!!

*Drops down on the ground and begs profusely.*

[ShaLeah]

I prefer to be in an emotional state of surprise along -with- my pc and have surprises revealed to both of us at the same time.

But will you be the first one to bitch about dying without any emotes? -chuckle-

Ah, the irony. People want interaction, but then they don't because it ruins the surprise.

Get my adrenaline pumping with the ooc knowledge of your presence. Force me to act in character and stick with it despite my knowing behind the screen what's going to happen. Challenge me. Make me better. I'm all for it.

[jhunter]

But will you be the first one to bitch about dying without any emotes? -chuckle-

NEVER.

[WhiteRanger(Logged out)]

Ok you say that if they dont respect you and your wishes you wont respect thiers, and go ahead and take advantage of that ooc knowledge that they give you. Well, the only problem with that is, IF YOU USE THAT OOC KNOWLEDGE YOU ARE GOING AGAINST THE STATED RULES OF THE GAME YOU CHEATER!!! Hidden emoting has not been given a yes or a no from the staff, but using ooc knowledge has been given a definate NO....so its simple,,,take the emotes as they come, or break the rules and get reported to the immortals for bad role play,,,and now they will know you just did it because you wanted to...hope you get banned my friend,,,hope you get banned for life.... :twisted:

[Stroker]

Once upon a time, I argued the same viewpoint as ShaLeah something or other, and as it turns out no, the players do not want to see hidden emotes. So, now I only emote while I am alone, that way no one's surprise is ruined and I can satisfy my sick urge.

[mansa]

I don't emote when hidden, because it's built in to us to know the unknown.  We, as human beings, cannot stand to -not- know the ending of a good movie.   There are some things in us that reflect on our characters in game.  Like when a salesperson walks up to you and asks you, "Would you like help with anything?", our -gut- reaction is to say, "No..." when we -really- do want help.

I will not emote while hidden, because people cannot control their instincts.  I will emote while hidden when they implement an observation skill, along with a 'hidden' emote command.

Observation skill would rock.  To -not- notice that some people walk in and out of taverns.  You will actually be surprised when your buddy taps you on the shoulder...

[jmordetsky]

:kills himself for having read through another hidden emoting thread.

But 1 vote for Mansa.

[X-D]

and go ahead and take advantage of that ooc knowledge that they give you. Well, the only problem with that is, IF YOU USE THAT OOC KNOWLEDGE YOU ARE GOING AGAINST THE STATED RULES OF THE GAME YOU CHEATER!!!

Um, Whiteranger, Giving that knowledge is also against the rules. But that is beside the point, We do not want the knowledge to begin with, but if a person is disrespectful enough to not care about that possibility then, myself, I'm gonna be just as disrespectful in turn and scan, thereby giving him some ooc knowledge that he is not supposed to act on.

Oh, and Mansa's observation idea has merit in my book.
Specialy when combined with hemote.

You know, to me, almost every hidden emote feels like a power emote.

The only ones I don't mind and that I do use is when becoming un-hidden in front of pc's.

[WhiteRanger]

I dont see how my character seeing you scan is me getting ooc knowledge, unless you are hidden, then that means that everyone in the room notices your character get up, and look around the room, scrutinizing thier surrounds more than normal, thus giving off the scan echo. And emoting while hidden dose give off ooc info, but it has not been determined by the staff that giving off ooc info in this method is wrong, yes you think its wrong, and I will even admit that part of me does as well, but until I hear Sanvean the goddess her self say its wrong, that part of me that is wicked and twisted, will still hide and emote, and that part of you that is sick twisted cheating role play abuser, will still use it and cheat...its just the way things are.

[Ghost]

What kind of sick arguement is this?  You call me cheater because I dont agree with you?  Yes, using ooc knowledge is against the rules, but giving out ooc knowledge is against the rules too.  And yes, an overlord did not say hidden emote is against the rules, but also no overlord yet said scanning in return is against the rules either.
I dont want to see you giving me ooc knowledge of your beging hidden, and you are doing it while you are hidden emoting.  Now are you telling me, I am being a cheater because I protest your emoting with spam-scan?

X-D has made a point and I totally agree.  I dont want to -know- someone is hidden and if someone is disrespectful enough not to care, then I can be that much disrespectful in return.

Enough of this thread.  These are my final words on the subject, until an overlord says me not to.

[Agent_137]

to sum up:
everyone quit bitching, do what you want, and deal with the repercussions like a grown person.

kthx.

[Clegane]

Personally..and for what little my opinion is worth, I rather feel that the Scan echo should be removed from the game entirely.

Its not like hunting where you're crouching down and scouring over tracks. Its not as though you're suddenly standing up and turning over tables and knocking aside barrels and shit to 'seek out' someone hidden behind them.

Its a -perception- skill reflective of the gradual honing of an instinctual ability to notice something that a 'less trained' eye would fail to observe.
I've never really been able to figure out how and why Scan was so -obvious- and easy to detect.

Many years ago, Listen used to give a room echo, as well. They removed it (thank christ), but kept the scan echo in for reasons I still don't quite fathom.  I'm also not entirely sure why one must stand up to scan, as though it were completely impossible to observe a room from a seated position. Again, Listen used to require standing, as well..but they augmented that.
I assume there's a good reason somewhere for making Scan so clunky...I just can't sort out what it is.

Sorry if this doesn't relate -directly- to the thread, but I felt it a pertinent point to bring up nonetheless.

[JollyGreenGiant]

I could be wrong, but it seems that in past discussions on the subject, the point was made that scan is a bit more active than observation, i.e. actually moving around the room, poking under the couch, etc.

[Lazloth]

How do you explain the affect remaining intact, then, when you move on?

[Agent_137]

*tries to contain the urge*

*fails*

just play the feckin' game!!!


Sorry. I really need to avoid these boards.

[Cenghiz]

I love you Agent_137... Play the game man... I'm getting weary with all these "OMG! CHEATER NOOB!" responses.

>sneak
>emote slowly moves to the door looking around.
>get pick belt
>es pick
>emote looks around for one last time, then rushes leaning to the keyhole.
>pick door
*success*
>open door
>e (after one last glance around)
In a Large Antechamber [E]
>close door
>rs
>put pick belt
>draw steel
>draw steel
>e (walking close to the nothern wall)
In a Small, Well Decorated Room [WU]
The fat man is sitting at a stone table here.
A stone table is here placed in the middle of the empty room.
>hide
>change ldesc is standing in the shade by south wall.
>emote chuckles staring at ~man
The fat man frowns as he pushes his chair back.
The fat man pushes a stone stool and stands up.
The fat man looks around carefully, wandering in the room slowly.
*The fat man scans, scans and scans..*
Shivering, the fat man gnashes his teeth as he sits back.
The fat man sits at a stone table.
>emote grins at %man pitiful attempts to find him.
>emote moves closer to ~man, eyes narrowed, ~steel raised;backstab man
>say (as he stabs mercilessly) MUHAHAHA!

You see? Looked a little nice eh? Still powerplay. Still unrealistic... Even a half-blind man would find someone in a small empty room after a scan if the hidden one's not suited with wall-camouflage. Probably I would just type "sta" to remove my hidden status. Code can never fully back you up. You need the good RP of both the victim and the criminal. It's a silly sissy grey line. Give up arguing.

[X-D]

>emote chuckles staring at ~man
The fat man frowns as he pushes his chair back.
The fat man pushes a stone stool and stands up.
The fat man looks around carefully, wandering in the room slowly.
*The fat man scans, scans and scans..*
Shivering, the fat man gnashes his teeth as he sits back.
The fat man sits at a stone table.
>emote grins at %man pitiful attempts to find him.
>emote moves closer to ~man, eyes narrowed, ~steel raised;backstab man
>say (as he stabs mercilessly) MUHAHAHA!

I'd have wished up on the spot for the hidden person to be revealed since the chuckle is a noise, easy enough to pick out direction in a room.

Also, I remember when listen used to have an echo and all, and it has been brought up more then once on this thread, somebody else stated that maybe you have to stand and there is echo for scan because you poke around, I think that makes no sense, if it was the case then it would not stay with you from room to room and the hidden person would not remain hidden, at the very least they would not still show as *strange shadow, if I poked around looking in and under stuff I would see the hidden person quite clearly if I found them. Scan should be the same as listen, except more visual, you are simply paying more attention to your surroundings. I personaly would like to see scan echo go away, mostly because of the ooc info it gives away, partly because it is not realistic, somebody who -IS- good at noticing things is probly good at letting that not be known. Besides, even though anybody can type scan, normaly only people with the skill will do so, this gives away a chars class, OOC info I don't think the code should give out so easily.

Get rid of scan echo and need to stand and give us hemote...everybody is happy.

Or at least I would be...probly almost as much as I was when watch command was imped...hell, since I'm still tickled about that it would add to it.

[jhunter]

Agreed X-D.

No scan echo or having to stand to do it and hemote would fix one of the biggest problems codewise about the whole hiding and spotting hidden scenarios.

[WhiteRanger]

Well, I still think you people are just flat bad role players who cant contain thier urges when presented with information they shouldnt use. BUT! I do agree with you that if the scan echo was taken away, and you didnt have to stand to do it, then I would be happy....deep down I would still know that you are doing it, but atleast I could keep my dreams and hopes alive, if somewhat nievely, that there are some good clean players still out there.

[X-D]

Well, I still think you people are just flat bad role players who cant contain thier urges when presented with information they shouldnt use

And I think you people are just flat bad roleplayers who can't contain the urge to present me with information I should not have.

[Armaddict]

I don't think it's so bad.  It's making an attempt to interact with the environment around you.  They can't see you, that doesn't mean a thing.

It's better than just standing there and being invisible.  You may learn a thing or two about their character, but does that mean they shouldn't do it?  No.  Does it mean you're going to abuse the information given?  No.  But if you do, it would be bad.

Rocket science.

[Forest Junkie]

Well, I still think you people are just flat bad role players who cant contain thier urges when presented with information they shouldnt use

And I think you people are just flat bad roleplayers who can't contain the urge to present me with information I should not have.

I would disagree with that, seeing as how I have emoted while hidden, and I think you have as well X-D =)

Though, I do support hemote and the removal of "scan's" echo, as well as "look's".

[X-D]

I would disagree with that, seeing as how I have emoted while hidden, and I think you have as well X-D =)

Oh, I have in the past, I don't anymore except when becoming unhidden, and even then only if I think people definitly would notice anyway.

[WhiteRanger (loggedout)]

Who's the hypocrite now....you just admitted that you do it too!!! I dont care if the circumstances are different, this isnt,,,,OH WELL IF XD DOES IT THIS WAY ITS OK...NOPE! You do it too, and just because you happen to be coming out of hide dosent make it ok...because technically it would still say SOMEONE and not THE BAD ROLE PLAYING HYPOCRITE...steps out of the shadows...wouldnt the people see you step out of the shadows instead of someone? So please, if you are going to bitch about other people doing it, dont do it,,,and if you decide to do it, atleast do it the right way.
*Shakes his head with a long ragged sigh, falling over at the length of useless debate and unsubstantiated claims given by the other side*

[Armaddict]

Whiteranger, stop calling people bad rp'ers.

Or I will shoot you.

[Agent_137]

Who's the hypocrite now....you just admitted that you do it too!!! I dont care if the circumstances are different, this isnt,,,,OH WELL IF XD DOES IT THIS WAY ITS OK...NOPE! You do it too, and just because you happen to be coming out of hide dosent make it ok...because technically it would still say SOMEONE and not THE BAD ROLE PLAYING HYPOCRITE...steps out of the shadows...wouldnt the people see you step out of the shadows instead of someone? So please, if you are going to bitch about other people doing it, dont do it,,,and if you decide to do it, atleast do it the right way.
*Shakes his head with a long ragged sigh, falling over at the length of useless debate and unsubstantiated claims given by the other side*

can you spell game? G. A. M. E.

It's a game. Relax.

This also goes out to all you other freaks who can't seem to just lean back in your chair and chill.

[X-D]

Almost every reply I could think of for whiteranger would come off as at least a flame, except this one.

First:Dude, think about how you come off before posting.

Now, anybody else chime in if they want, but what is worse RP, to be in a room with a couple other pc's and just suddenly appear, specialy when your pc WANTS them to know that he can look like a bush or fit behind that trunk, OR to emote leaving his hiding spot?

I only do the emote before becoming unhidden because I think it is a bit more realistic to get the someone echo, because odds are you would not know right away who just crawled out from under that bed. And it tends to get the right, or better reaction.

I'd love to return fire on whiteranger's name calling flames, but I will restrain myself, since I'm emotionaly over the age of five.

[Anonymous]

Whiteranger, stop calling people bad rp'ers.

Or I will shoot you.

I bring the ammo.

[WhiteRanger]

I will bring the ale and spice!

[WhiteRanger]

I mean........aim low....*covers his eyes* :?

[WhiteRanger]

And in regards to the Agent up there......ITS NOT A GAME, IT IS MY GOD THING YOU BLASPHEMOUS.......*Squints* BE GLAD I HAVE STOPPED CALLING PEOPLE NAMES! :evil:

[spawnloser]

WhiteRanger, really...calm thyself.  It was cute on the 'What is Armageddon' thread.  It is getting old real fast though.

[Cenghiz]

Really.. Didn't this thread still die? Eh I don't want to waste place for a little code question. I'd be glad if someone could tell me how to leave being hidden. It's hard to guess. Is just typing "sta" enough?
And... c'mon folks.. We all do good RP eh? We're ARMers.. If you want to call someone bad RPer, I may type a million H&S MUD adresses here. Just log in with username "uallsuck" and pass "yomomma"... You'll be accepted instantly, then you'll be able to spam "chat YOU SUCK!!" till an imm appears and bans you.
We may be _learning_ to RP well, for sure I do, still I'd like to play a real-action RP session with each of you.
Probably a coder imm's already working on 'hemote'. So this discussion is useless. Could a board advisor lock it please?

[Anonymous]

Why does a thread need to be locked if people are still posting to it?

[ashyom]

Although we don't have an official policy on derailing a thread, it's nonetheless considered polite to avoid doing so.  However, this thread is rapidly degenerating into a thread full of inappropriate content - Just because you don't outright flame people, doesn't mean these posts are any less rude or civil.  
http://www.zalanthas.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8555

Consider this a warning - any further posts that can be construed as inflammatory will be deleted, as well as previous ones.  Please keep it civil, and if you can't, find another forum to vent your feelings.
Thanks,
Asyom

[Cenghiz]

People are yelling at each other, argue for no good reason and no new ideas on the topic. People started flaming each other and as you see, there's a warning from a storyteller
Nah, I'm also wasting place.. Sorry, just special apping, so I'm bored.

To sum up all... Again I'll give examples, you know, it's easier than telling it directly for me.

We shouldn't emote while hidden because;

>craft meat into delicate lamb steak
>emote with ~fork, me carefully places ~meat onto ~grill.
>think Hmm.. After cooking, let me go to the wine shop to grab some fine wine for the dinner.
>emote reverses the meat with the help of ~fork
You cook the meat.
>think Good.. Now let's go buy the vine.
Someone licks his dried lips as he moves closer to you.
(OOC Thought: Let me go on.. I didn't see  it. I was concentrated on cooking, and now my char's dreaming the fine dinner.)
>sta
>w

.... and the hidden one doesn't know if you left the room just because of the OOC information given. OOC info forces people to interact or slow down to let the hidden one's RP finish.

But we should emote because...

>emote leans against the wall panting, blood dripping from ^me chest.
>rest crumpling to the ground.
>Think Wow.. That bitch was about to catch me. I wish I was a little bit more dexterious.. Next time the dagger may find my heart.
>emote smirks slowly shaking his head, a hand rummaging his pockets.
>emote gets a dirty rag from a pocket, presses it on his wound.
>think It's not a very deep wound... I gue (And as you type...)
Someone slashes your neck, inflicting a grevious wound.
*Mantis Head* (Huh? OMG!)

.... You may guess whom you can kill with one clean slash. You may want to offer one last chance to the other character to RP, to die as he wants. I would emote after seeing all those emotes a wounded character did. I would like to play _with_ him, before sending him to the realms of Drov. At least, I would stack the commands, like "emote lets out a sigh, before charging into ~elf from the flank, ~steel raised overhead;hit elf".. So, I guess, we may use common sense to give out OOC info from time to time.

Also there's a branching situation. As far as I know, hidden status disappears in time. Of course, NPC's check the room status frequently, but I don't. So I wouldn't be able to stay hidden for long, but would still be hidden if the other character isn't a paranoiac typing "l" once in thirty seconds.
If there was a "hemote" command with a check against "scan"; then I would be able to emote all my plantings, stealings, hidden movements.. That would be realistic.. If you move a lot where you're hiding, more possible you're detected. The other character would not worry about twinking too, he would think "Damnit.. My char's not that keen on senses.". Everyone would be happy.

[Anonymous]

>think It's not a very deep wound... I gue (And as you type...)
Someone slashes your neck, inflicting a grevious wound.
*Mantis Head* (Huh? OMG!)

I see nothing wrong with this, as far as I'm concerned anyone who's on the recieving end of it is just whining because they weren't given OOC info before they died. It's realistic and I would much rather see that than:

Someone creeps up behind you in the shadows.

OOC: Oh look, there's someone sneaking up on me...now I have to pretend I don't know they're there because my pc doesn't know...that sucks, I'd rather have been surprised too. *sigh*

emote twiddles his thumbs and continues doing whatever he was doing.

It's like knowing what your getting as a gift before you get it, it's much more enjoyable when it's a complete surprise.

[jhunter]

I know I was going to stop but couldn't resist, the above Kank was me. :oops:

[X-D]

Cenghiz, stand will unhide you, or sta.

Same as it gets rid of a change ldesc.

[Armaddict]

I usually just look at my equipment to leave hiding.

If you're doing an emote that shows you're -leaving- hiding, though, I assume the emote would be followed by a command that would take you out of hiding anyway, though.