Season One Week One - Pulse Check

Started by Bogre, June 22, 2024, 01:46:47 PM

June 22, 2024, 01:46:47 PM Last Edit: June 22, 2024, 01:48:51 PM by Bogre
Howdy guys - so how are we feeling about week one? To me - the pulse is bounding, but I wanted to kind of open up a discussion on what's good, what's bad, where to focus attentions. Please, pro-active discussion, not griping. If there are pain points or suboptimal things, offer suggestion. Season's is to not fall back into old ruts that caused bitterness, it's to work on making the game great. I've been having lots of fun, and here's the link to the cheers thread for staff/player energy so far! https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,60541.0.html

Big Wins: 

  • Player Energy and Staff Responsiveness - The rush of excited playerbase, discord activity, fantastic concepts and writing is great.
  • The amount of building and 'new' stuff. There are a -ton- of updates. Allanak feels vibrant with the NPCs, I'm enjoying trying to discuss and find backstories, etc. All the coded QOL changes.
  • Population in Allanak - really cool seeing a massed group of players riding around, the bar hopping, and tons of PCs watching Arena games, etc.
  • Metaplot - we're starting to see hints, and I'm hoping that these plot hooks are far ranging and drag people in.
  • Improved gemmer/elf/nonhuman interaction. I think the changes allow these characters to interact and not get flat out ignored.

Potential Pitfalls
  • I think that there may have been an initial rush to get settled, get the basics down for many PCs. I hope that players will try to get others involved (especially newbies, not leaving them in the dust) and start stuff for others, and take some time to slow down, illustrate the world, write scenes together, gather up others in your long term goals.
  • The availability of 'stuff' in game. Currently - there are tons of shops in game which have tier +++ awesome gear, armor, weapons. I know that the goal was to move away from GMH being vending machines, but it does seem strange to me that there is direct availability of almost everything from the get go, with the only barrier to availability being coins. I worry that this means PC crafters are just circumvented - when it would take months, unavailable materials, time and effort to get PC crafters something they'd need to make you a suit of armor, or you could just grind out coins (commonly, not ever a huge roadblock for committed/experienced players) and get the thing. The only thing currently driving scarcity is the availability of coins, and this will not last for long. It really eliminates  the influence entire tiers of characters can have, forcing them to be custom craft grinders, or simple coin generators themselves.
  • Newbie experience - from our discord, it seems that some of our newer players (and some returning vets) are having problems finding an aim or goal in game. Some players may not be self starters, so for everyone, we need to think of ways of engaging folks in game (fun gameplay, interactions, plot, etc), cause many people may drift off if there's nothing hooking them beyond the promise of obsidian mining and gearing up.
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June 22, 2024, 02:05:27 PM #1 Last Edit: June 22, 2024, 02:11:06 PM by Dusty Boots
Quote from: Bogre on June 22, 2024, 01:46:47 PMThe availability of 'stuff' in game. Currently - there are tons of shops in game which have tier +++ awesome gear, armor, weapons. I know that the goal was to move away from GMH being vending machines, but it does seem strange to me that there is direct availability of almost everything from the get go, with the only barrier to availability being coins. I worry that this means PC crafters are just circumvented - when it would take months, unavailable materials, time and effort to get PC crafters something they'd need to make you a suit of armor, or you could just grind out coins (commonly, not ever a huge roadblock for committed/experienced players) and get the thing. The only thing currently driving scarcity is the availability of coins, and this will not last for long. It really eliminates  the influence entire tiers of characters can have, forcing them to be custom craft grinders, or simple coin generators themselves.

This has basically been my experience with a crafter that I stored. PCs were mostly coming to me to sell materials but never to buy stuff off of me, and when I inspected them, they pretty much always had gear from the GMH stalls that had unlimited stock. The increase in unlimited stock also meant that the random selling that npc shops do have a chance to land on an unlimitedly stocked item, making it much slower to naturally empty out. Indie crafters massively suffer from not having access to GMH recipes, I understand that it's 'the point', but I feel like a lot more people would be complaining if a character's offensive or magickal skills were limited based on what clan you were in, there are just less people playing crafters.

The move away from GMHs doing mercantile stuff just kinda gave little room for crafter players to really have a goal or aim, I understand wanting to do something 'different', but I feel like player crafters were just not taking into account when it comes to the season's plans. I also will point out that the newish CCing rules around weapon quality make it even harder to play an indie crafter, because you'll have to wait multiple months to make something that you would be able to craft immediately by being in a GMH.

I could do a huge write up on the issue with crafters in arm and how I would think they should be fixed, but that's a HUGE ask and I understand staff are trying their best. I think the issues with indie crafters were just exacerbated by the changes to the GMHs and their stalls. If you give players an easy way to avoid interaction and bartering with PCs, they will.

June 22, 2024, 03:51:45 PM #2 Last Edit: June 22, 2024, 03:55:21 PM by Dresan
I am trying to keep an open mind, and not fall into old survival habits or tactics but it is not something that will change over night. RP is also bit rusty, and i dont mean emoting. With time i am hoping to bring a vibrant fun character to life like i used to in the past.

I regards to crafting, agreed, it was discussed recently here, it would help to consolidate some ideas: Crafting improvements

I am also looking forward to providing feedback on a few things after a couple more months of playing. Some stuff still does not feel like it where it needs to be, but while clearly requiring some fine tuning, its not game breaking at this point and more testing is needed. Overall, it has been great to come back.

Stuff I love:
  • The gray area in interactions between mundanes and gemmed, and between elves and non-elves. There's so much room in that gray area, as I put it on Discord and got teased for :P, between "kill all magickers" and "have sex with magickers.' As a result it seems like there's SO MANY magickers and elves around, but I don't have to complain about it OOCly because I can just interact with them if I'm playing a mundane/human. HUGE WIN.
  • The player-run tavern. I do have concerns about how stuffed with PCs it usually is, it's the start location for newbies and it is FULL OF SPAM most of the time. Some of that is because PCs are crafting in there, trading in there, etc.
  • Experiencing NPC animations that are apparently JUST for me, and JUST for fun?? Like, wow. That has never happened before in my experience of this game. My PC is not important at all; and in "ye olde days," only important PCs got animations, and then those animations were mostly negative in tone.

Stuff I'm worried about:
  • The newbie experience being impacted by spam in the player tavern. (Other players too, but ya vets can sort yerselfs out.)
  • The newbie experience being impacted by the crafting materials/sales glut/shortages, and the lack of GMH crafting jobs. Everyone is hunting the same things, everyone needs money, and newbie crafters are going to be most impacted by this because they don't have the game knowledge to compete. And they don't have jobs to get hired on for with the GMHs, so no free food and water and no mentors. I assume that there are many newbies who want to play crafter types--it's a bit less scary than immediately jumping into a combat or sneaky role. I started as a crafter on my first PC and was able to immediately get a job with Kadius, but that route is not open to newbies right now. Any newbie coming in thinking "I'm gonna make silk dresses" is going to be extremely disappointed.
  • The vet player experience of crafting appears to be difficult too, same reasons as above, but not as much of a player retention issue.
  • Whether or not PCs that are not combat-oriented, or not in a combat clan, or not magickal, or are focused on social plot stuff, will be able to experience the meta plot. Yeah I'm pretty worried about this, because in my previous player experience, even when I was in a combat clan eg AoD, plots often focused in locations that my PC wasn't in or needed skills like magick that my PC didn't have. I want every PC to be able to experience big wow moments and drama in the meta plot, including mine.
  • I am not sure that enough clans are open and that enough leaders are present to handle all the current PCs. I love that there's 42 PCs in the Byn but presumably in about 6 weeks a bunch of them will want to clan up elsewhere, and what then? Also I'm just not seeing a lot of leader PCs wandering around and I'm concerned they are overwhelmed/too busy/just not enough of them.
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June 22, 2024, 05:43:26 PM #4 Last Edit: June 22, 2024, 05:51:31 PM by Dresan
Quote from: Gimfalisette on June 22, 2024, 04:30:45 PM
  • The newbie experience being impacted by spam in the player tavern. (Other players too, but ya vets can sort yerselfs out.)

Its somewhat ironic but the game was not fully designed for the numbers we are seeing all gathered in one place. I stress though that this is not terrible problem for the game to have, and one that I believe can be resolved in short amount of time with a few more rooms in high traffic locations like taverns.

That said, in the past clan jobs were originally supposed to be hard jobs to get, with many clans only having one room for their members to spar in, even two people trying to spar in a room gets spammy. Not to mention Indy roles were much better supported, good luck trying to train weapon skills or other tough combat skills outside of a clan without engaging in questionable actions. The story and plot are pushed mostly pushed through clans as well I suspect.

Again a good problem to have, the game a victim of its own success, but it is a problem that will need some adjustment.

I agree that Crafters and Merchants are struggling to find their place. I can't think of a solution. Perhaps it was a calculated move by the staff to shift city roles towards diplomacy rather than mercantile activities.

I believe there shouldn't be any standards for new players. The priority should be to ensure they stay and play. Many long-time players started casually and then became committed once they passed a certain threshold. So, let them have fun in any way they choose.

Overall game is good, let's just keep playing and everything will fall into place.


Quote from: Gimfalisette on June 22, 2024, 04:30:45 PMWhether or not PCs that are not combat-oriented, or not in a combat clan, or not magickal, or are focused on social plot stuff, will be able to experience the meta plot. Yeah I'm pretty worried about this, because in my previous player experience, even when I was in a combat clan eg AoD, plots often focused in locations that my PC wasn't in or needed skills like magick that my PC didn't have. I want every PC to be able to experience big wow moments and drama in the meta plot, including mine.

Excellent point!  I have been a tad worried about this as well for my PC but didn't know how to put it into words and when I read what you said it clicked.

I know it's early days and I HAVE aligned myself with an organization - so I am just trucking along having faith that I'm sure there are plans to at least try and rope most folk in.

Either way, I still want to hear about it/see it!
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June 22, 2024, 06:38:03 PM #7 Last Edit: June 22, 2024, 07:39:43 PM by dumbstruck
What I like:
Transparency stuff in the past few years to level the playing field somewhat between the people that keep Excel maps and spreadsheets and those who don't. (Such as the analyze change, adding skill branches to the help files, symbol command).
Reinstating full guild mages and shifting subguild mages to special apps.
Changing reports to bios. This changes the game for certain characters, and the ST experience for staff both. In a positive way.
Player Clan stuff looks more dynamic and I'm for it.
I like the space the absence of Kadius has opened up and it has given me some ideas.

Stuff I Don't Like:
Magick Changes: The changes across the board (in experience so far) with full guild mages to make them start with a number of spells comparable to a subguild elementalist. You're giving up your whole guild. 6 was a good number. And I don't like that it seems like the new one ya'll added for subguild elementalists is one of the starting ones. All of those guys had them where they could make a magick thing (different by guild what, leaving it vague for IC) of their own and make it permanent. I believe that that new spell tacked on across the board in guilds should branch from that one for each. I don't like the 2 utility spells in most cases that are pretty signature for these guilds to be taken and made to be something branched. I'm being vague here, again, because of the mystery of magick thing but if there's questions I can put in a request. I doubly like how this has effected 1 of all the guilds to make a pretty key area inaccessible until something is branched where none of the other guilds and temples do this. It makes me feel like a twink for wanting to access the place when it's something that's happening IC.
Violins: Honestly there's been a near Kings Age jump. We couldn't have gotten them back during the jump?
Sponsored Roles: This is not criticism of anyone playing a sponsored role right now. I don't have experience with any of them. This is a reference back to before things shut down and a comment I made, plus some changes to karma. I think it would be rad if those listed karma levels allowed you to just app in for GMH, Noble, and Templar roles as the karma next to them. For people who want intrahouse stuff, for people who honestly want to play the effete, ineffectual cousin, etc etc etc. By all means keep the sponsored ones as the ones disseminating plot but that should help concern by others about leaders and minions shortly.

Suggestions:
Make real mages (full guild mages) mage again. (I am not objecting to stuff that I've been told were deleted altogether. I think in many instances that was a good choice perhaps all.).
Role App Nobles and GMHs, perhaps Templars too, idk. This will intrigue plot dissemination, political RP and back and forth, and number of hiring roles. Let people app into these like you used to be able to with desert elf tribes. You used to have to manually set up all the tribals anyhow. It'll up the level of visible leader PCs and diffuse plots more.

Thank You:
Thank you for your quick responses to requests.
Thank you for making good outline of general special app parameters.
Thank you for the time you put in on the changes. They're vast and subtle. Chef's Kiss.

June 22, 2024, 07:32:49 PM #8 Last Edit: June 22, 2024, 07:59:21 PM by dunecrawler
  • There's so many players everywhere, even on rides in the desert. I was worried about initial numbers, but am happy that I've been proven wrong.
  • The where command is a GREAT addition. It helps a lot with finding other players when numbers are low (they aren't low right now, but early mornings are a thing, and I expect them to shrink a bit over the next weeks.)
  • Love the Allanak changes and how some NPCs are just aged versions of their previous selves.
  • Hopefully no more waiting on that merchant PC who logs in every Friday the 13th at 4am my time, and probably died last week.
  • I'm not seeing that many leaders. At least in my clan they're online, but usually busy with something that doesn't involve their minions (meeting each other? meeting NPC superiors? Pursuing their collection of elf ears? I have no idea). This is expected in the first week, but I do hope it doesn't stay that way.
  • Edit: The Shady Oasis is uncomfortably crowded, and I'm not a new player. If the numbers stay like this, it might need a second room

Good feedback, and thanks for everyone keeping it positive, even in the "things that need improvement" categories!  I'll address.. some.. of this.


Available stuff / crafting

Filling up the shopkeepers with more stuff was to make up for GMH players not being vending machines as much as they used to be.  The idea is "If you want it, you have to find it in game, or CC it".  Gone is the requirement for GMH players to consistently put in special orders because players knew what kind of stuff was available but not for common sale.  If the GMH players -want- to do that on a limited basis, they can, but it's not their focus.  In that regard, I think it's working well.

I'll have to admit, there wasn't as much planning put into how it would affect indy crafters and their ability to make a living.  That's not to say we completely ignored it, but rather we underestimated the impact.  We'll have to put our heads together and work on that.


Player Tavern Needs More Space

Agreed!  The owners have near-absolute autonomy on how they expand and upgrade the tavern.  If it's an OOC problem we can work with them of course, but for the most part we're just reacting to their asks.


Not Enough Clans Open

We're seeing that, though we're intentionally slow to open more.  It's easier and generally more accepted to open a clan than close it.  What we want to avoid is opening something, then it dying on the vine.  In other words, if the player counts remain high, we'll open stuff most certainly.  It's definitely a common topic among staff:  when to open X clan.


Weaksauce full guild mages

They take time to bloom.  Give 'em time, see how they look when they've been around a while and really gotten their groove going and a lot more of their higher tier spells available and when [redacted][redacted].  Full guild mages just aren't comparable to subguild aspect mages.  Full guild mages eventually get every spell every aspect mage of their element gets.  They're also, by design, intended to start weak.

And yes, we did tweak their spell tree's a little bit to rearrange a few things here and there.  So folks with the old spelltree written down may find that not really accurate anymore.  Maybe that means they're not to everyone's taste, especially people who have only known the game with the aspect subguilds.  But I think the people who stick with them and see them to their full potential, and who really dive into the discovery RP, will have a very rewarding time.


Overall, our numbers have been higher than we expected, which is great!  It also means we've got a few growing pains to sort through, but we're working on them.
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I'm one playing one of the roles on the 'other side' of the 'mercantile problem' and I feel like the majority of my time is getting spent trying to solve it. Which is fine—it's good merchant gameplay!—but I am frustrated by the thought that I'm not really making a dent in the problem. Like I'll spend hours in-game trying to recruit crafters and then when I tab out to check the Discord, it's all complaints that no one is recruiting crafters. Also, my staff probably want me to actually pursue all these crazy plots they cooked up.

Hoping that some of these issues will just be resolved by the GMH and other crafter-employing clans just growing a bit over the next two weeks and building more capacity for members with non-combat focuses.

So to dig into the crafting/crafter issue specifically. There seems to be two different angles at play:

1. The loss of hiring opportunity/RP opportunity because the GMHs aren't hiring crafters right now

This is the prerogative of the leaders in play. They have specific mandates and areas of responsibility that are not primarily mercantile. However, they are allowed to dip into merchanting if they wish and can hire crafters if it benefits their goals, especially if those crafters are prepared to go along for the ride. However, it's very possible that hiring crafters simply doesn't fit into their plans right now and isn't a viable option for them. That doesn't mean it will always be the case. I predict that crafting will play an incredibly important role in the not-too-distant future for GMHs.

So, what to do if they aren't hiring? In Season Zero, we frequently had many independent crafters, from those who worked alone very successfully to those who started PClans and hired others. There are opportunities out there for those with a bit of ambition, which can also benefit the people they hire. There are already things stirring in the game with a focus on this. Additionally, Season Zero had a very strict 'no compete' rule for existing GMH and MMH markets, which is no longer the case. If you want to start a tailoring PClan, Kadius is not going to come knocking. You are insignificant to them. If and when your PClan grows big enough to start looking like a genuine threat, then they might—and it will be a plot, not a stop order.

2. Indie crafting is not financially viable because there is too much GMH stock available

I'll be honest, perhaps I missed something here. In the times I have played crafters, I found there was almost zero PC-to-PC economy outside of GMHs beyond some very niche and specific high-demand products and custom crafting. This was especially true for the majority of non-clanned craft recipes. However, there are still a lot of very cool, interesting indie-only products available for indie crafters to make and sell that GMH NPCs will not be stocking. Pure financial viability for crafters (and therefore the hunters and grebbers that supply them) should still be possible with NPC-to-PC economy. There are now more NPCs out in the world that buy, with plans to add more. There are also a couple of other ways to make money for the desperate and the enterprising.

With that in mind,

There are some thoughts and options above, but we also have other options. We've always discussed the possibility of opening mercantile branches if and when there were the numbers and demand. Likewise, there are other things we could do, such as increasing custom craft caps for specific items, creating more IC opportunities, or even spinning up an MMH or another interesting faction.

I would be interested in hearing specifically from players who are currently playing crafters and finding it difficult —what those difficulties are and what would make things easier and more fun for you. Please feel free to send in a request titled "Crafting Conundrums," and I will give it some serious thought about what we can do in the short term.

Now... as far as how it's going. It's great to be back in-game. My emoting and roleplay skills are a tad rusty, but getting back into the swing of things. I don't play in Allanak, so this is from the perspective of an indy character:



Big Wins:
  • Staff Interaction: I played this game for years as a sponsored role (albeit a minor one), and as some leadership roles back in the day and I've never had the kinds of interactions that I've had with staff that I've had in the last week. I can tell that loosening the rules on animations has produced a really positive change, and I love what's happened to me so far. You guys have somehow have time for someone being in literally the middle of nowhere on a nobody character to make the world just a tiny bit more dynamic, and that's amazing.
  • New stuff: As others have mentioned, it's great to see new things in 'Nak, but there's new stuff all over, not just in Allanak. Also you fixed a bunch of stuff in that one place, and its' majorly appreciated.
  • QoL Improvements: Opening up the Advanced Starts to indies, the skill changes, the learn command, etc. Armageddon is a pastime that takes a lot of time, and that's time I no longer have so much of - I feel like the game is starting to respect my time a lot more than in the past, and I really appreciate these, especially.
  • The One Role: This one is very personal, I guess, but I play a character that hasn't always been easy to approve in the past (it was in some administrations, and less so in others), and frankly, staff jumped at the chance to expand the world a little bit to make room for a little more of the background characters that are sure to exist, but don't get represented very often. So for that, thank you!
  • The Changes to Elves: I think this opened up so many roleplay opportunities. I think forcing a race to have to be reacted to in any sort of a way is a relic of 1980's and 1990's games, and moving away from that is a very, very positive step.

Minor Concerns:

  • Focus on Allanak: It's good to have everyone concentrated, but as others have mentioned, Allanak and the surrounding areas aren't really built to have so many PCs in them. Opening up a smidge of capabilities in other places (RS, Luir's) might alleviate that somewhat, while still making it pretty easy to participate in Allanaki plots.
  • Indy Support Outside of 'Nak: This is a really minor concern, because it's just the way the game used to be. There's not even a banker, for instance, in Luir's.

All in all, one week after release, I love the direction of the game. I love what's happened with Seasons. My gripes are minor compared to what is, in my opinion, the huge wins that this staff team has delivered.

Quote from: Usiku on June 23, 2024, 04:06:22 AM2. Indie crafting is not financially viable because there is too much GMH stock available

I'll be honest, perhaps I missed something here. In the times I have played crafters, I found there was almost zero PC-to-PC economy outside of GMHs beyond some very niche and specific high-demand products and custom crafting. This was especially true for the majority of non-clanned craft recipes. However, there are still a lot of very cool, interesting indie-only products available for indie crafters to make and sell that GMH NPCs will not be stocking. Pure financial viability for crafters (and therefore the hunters and grebbers that supply them) should still be possible with NPC-to-PC economy. There are now more NPCs out in the world that buy, with plans to add more. There are also a couple of other ways to make money for the desperate and the enterprising.

I'm a little bit confused about this point. PC-to-PC crafting has always been bad, this is correct, and the changes made it even worse. NPC-to-PC crafting is still possible, but it's just kinda a case of 'why?'. Like, why is it ok that it's borderline encouraged to completely ignore PC crafters and just buy from a stall? This sort of weird redundancy is probably a good driving force as to why so few people actually play crafters. After all, why would anyone want to play a character who's role is easily replaced by a static npc who doesn't have to worry about crafting fail chances and materials? Redundancy kills the desire to play a role.

There are little nick-nacks and interesting stuff you can make with crafting, this is completely true, but most people just are not interested in buying these sorts of things. Not only that, but there's a good chance most people don't even know they exist and just wont ask for them in the cases that they did know about it. The majority of characters in game are combat characters. Weapons and armor are expensive, they are going to want to buy weapons and armor, especially with characters in roles like the Byn or AoD who cannot go out to regularly make money to afford these things in the first place, let alone little neat oddities and clothing that crafters can make.

We all know it, Armageddon is the bone-swords MUD. Hoarding personal items in your apartment or buying furniture (which isn't really craftable in the south in the firstplace) is dissuaded by the fact that anyone can just lockpick into your apartment while you're offline and empty it out. On the other end, a very-good quality sword/axe/spear/club is always going to be sitting at your hip and will help you stay alive to sword another scrab. Even though Armageddon does have cool slice of life items and such, it's heavily disincentivized by the permadeath part of the game and the price of 'flavor' items. Decking out an apartment and having your own living space is actually really fun, but you'll probably die and something like a single bed will cost more than a set of armor that'll keep you alive.

I played a lot of crafters, both indie and GMH crafters last year. I played Tuluki crafters, I played tribal crafters, I played allanaki crafters. Crafting in armageddon, especially compared to other MUDs, are a pretty big pain point. The single CC a month that crafters get pales in comparison to every other MUD I've played where you get to personalize every piece of item that you make. I've also spoken to other people who have played crafters in the past oocly and I've basically gotten the same feedback as my own experiences.

One big question me and a lot of others have had is, 'Why don't you just remove infinite items from shops and make it so the in game economy is player-driven?'. This would actually give player crafters a reason to exist outside of being money machines to throw at people and players would actually _ask_ things from other crafters.

My second suggestion is also a bigger one that would actually require a bit of an overhaul, but this is to fix a bit of an issue I have realized in my time playing: Make it so you can choose a single crafting skill that you're master in to 'specialize' in, giving you access to the highest quality crafts for that one craft only if you're playing a fullguild T5 crafter. Why? Because right now, if you're playing a crafter, you do not want to be friends with other crafters. Every crafter is direct competition because you can all craft the same things, making it so people can specialize means that they have their own niches and can actually work together. Be that master swordsmith or armorer you always wanted to be, create the finest dresses and cloaks, but if every other crafter can do the same thing, what's the point? Also this helps the issue with subguild crafters being able to basically completely replace fullguild crafters, and trust me, I love my scout/armorcrafter, but playing a wilderness/crafter combo is so much more enjoyable right now than playing a fullguild crafter.


Sorry for the wall of text, but this is something I've had opinions on for a long time now. Crafting in arm is just lackluster despite having a lot of potential. Let your players be creative, even if you have to lock it behind 1-2 karma. Other muds like harshlands and sindome let their crafters customize every item that they make, this give Pc-to-Pc sales a massive draw because you can have your own personalized stuff. I'm tried of having my crafters always make other people's custom crafts, it doesn't even make any sense, how does my character know how to make a dress that amos designed 200 years ago with 5 different random ingredients?
I make up for the tiny in-game character limit by writing walls of text here.

Quote from: Halaster on June 22, 2024, 11:56:42 PMAnd yes, we did tweak their spell tree's a little bit to rearrange a few things here and there.  So folks with the old spelltree written down may find that not really accurate anymore.  Maybe that means they're not to everyone's taste, especially people who have only known the game with the aspect subguilds.  But I think the people who stick with them and see them to their full potential, and who really dive into the discovery RP, will have a very rewarding time.


I think the fact that you've added the "branching dots" to magick spells, offsets the changes made to the spell tree as far as potential for discovery goes. I really believe people underestimate how terrific and helpful that is, just knowing that "yes, if you work on this spell, some OTHER spell WILL indeed branch from it. You might not know which spell will show up, but at least you know something will."
Talia said: Notice to all: Do not mess with Lizzie's GDB. She will cut you.
Delirium said: Notice to all: do not mess with Lizzie's soap. She will cut you.

I feel like role calls for mercantile GMH family members would certainly help. If you have blooded Dealers and Merchants, they could oversee GMH sales and act as supporting characters to the already present Agents. It also allows for a bit of overlap in playtimes as leaders go and you'd have a backup should an Agent store or die for whatever reason. This would at least make things a bit more fluid and provide junior leadership roles and jobs for crafters (newbies, especially).

The stalls could sell essentials but lack specialty items and then you're back to the indie hunter reliant economy of old. With the new freedom afforded to leaders in general (less OOC red tape), I feel like it'd be a good thing. As someone who truly enjoys crafting, playing a Kuraci dealer was one of my favorite roles ever despite the occasional frustration. Maybe I'm in the minority on that!

(Submitting this in a request but also here, for feedback. Maybe it's a huge mistake and there's a million reasons why!)

Quote from: adri on June 23, 2024, 10:33:08 AMI feel like role calls for mercantile GMH family members would certainly help. If you have blooded Dealers and Merchants, they could oversee GMH sales and act as supporting characters to the already present Agents. It also allows for a bit of overlap in playtimes as leaders go and you'd have a backup should an Agent store or die for whatever reason. This would at least make things a bit more fluid and provide junior leadership roles and jobs for crafters (newbies, especially).

The stalls could sell essentials but lack specialty items and then you're back to the indie hunter reliant economy of old. With the new freedom afforded to leaders in general (less OOC red tape), I feel like it'd be a good thing. As someone who truly enjoys crafting, playing a Kuraci dealer was one of my favorite roles ever despite the occasional frustration. Maybe I'm in the minority on that!

(Submitting this in a request but also here, for feedback. Maybe it's a huge mistake and there's a million reasons why!)

We have the numbers to support this. Agents deal in politics and big picture things, and Merchants deal in merchant 'stuff' all the while having the support of an active Agent. Both can see to emporium stock, and special orders, hire hunters, grebbers, and then you have an economy driven by supply and demand. Seems easy.

Yeah dots for branching for mages is amazing.

I think Kavrick is saying that indie crafting was bad before season 1 and now it's even worse. But simply rolling back shop inventory won't fix it because it's a large complex issue. 


Very happy to see population and good RP abounding.  That's success.

June 23, 2024, 10:55:11 AM #18 Last Edit: June 23, 2024, 11:01:04 AM by manonfire
The old spell branch sequences made logical sense - you could sort of see how a branched spell was related to the previous one, so you had a hint as to what's coming and could train accordingly.

Now, we've got the equivalent of a combat class starting off with blind fighting instead of parry, and blind fighting branches basketmaking, which branches parry. Compounding this is the branch sequence isn't just posted in the helpfiles for easy reference, so you sort of have to guess where to place your focus because the rearrangements don't reflect any sort of logical progression.

I get the obfuscation, really I do. Discovery is great fun for players new to the magick system, but for experienced mage players, the changes resulted in quite a bit of wasted effort.

I don't know what the intent behind this change was, but the target, the wall behind the target, and the building containing the wall upon which the target was placed has been missed.

June 23, 2024, 11:16:11 AM #19 Last Edit: June 23, 2024, 11:31:01 AM by Halaster
Quote from: manonfire on June 23, 2024, 10:55:11 AMNow, we've got the equivalent of a combat class starting off with blind fighting instead of parry, and blind fighting branches basketmaking, which branches parry.

We'll have to agree to disagree.  There was thought put into which spells branch to which, it just may be a different way of thinking about them than you're expecting.  In the one element you've played there's really only one instance, in my mind, where one thing branching from another is a little head-scratching, but that's because the spell branched to has no real predecessor that makes sense.

Also, magick isn't necessarily required to be logical or be predictable.  Granted, it has to be on some level because we're a code-based game, of course.  But magick isn't intended to always 'make sense'.

Edit:  I should add too, that in some cases the 'power level' of the spell was taken into account.  A more powerful spell that was a starter spell may have been moved to tier 2 or 3, based on it's strength.
"I agree with Halaster"  -- Riev

Quote from: manonfire on June 23, 2024, 10:55:11 AMI get the obfuscation, really I do. Discovery is great fun for players new to the magick system, but for experienced mage players, the changes resulted in quite a bit of wasted effort.

I have to disagree with you in this opinion of yours. As a over 20 year player, I find joy in discovering new things. Especially new spell trees of full elementalist guilds sound so tempting and probably I will try one as my next PC, and I might try others afterwards.
A foreign presence contacts your mind.

You think:
"No! Please leave me be whoever you are."

You sense a foreign presence withdraw from your mind.

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QuoteNow, we've got the equivalent of a combat class starting off with blind fighting instead of parry, and blind fighting branches basketmaking, which branches parry.

We'll have to agree to disagree.  There was thought put into which spells branch to which, it just may be different a different way of thinking about them than you're expecting. 

Okay, I'll bite. What esoteric ethos are you employing to justify the sequence that I'm referring to? If there's some wildly unique and creative thought process at work here, I'd love to know more about it.

If this is simply a dressed up version of 'we think mages progressed too quickly in the past and felt compelled to push some of their more powerful abilities deeper into the spell tree', just say that. There's no need to tack on extraneous language like 'making RP discovery more fun'. The ornaments are pretty but they're pulling down the branches of the tree.

QuoteIn the one element you've played there's really only one instance, in my mind, where one thing branching from another is a little head-scratching, but that's because the spell branched to has no real predecessor that makes sense.

There are other conversations going on in Discord about the sequencing of other elementalists. Don't get reductive because I've only played a single class.

QuoteAlso, magick isn't necessarily required to be logical or be predictable.  Granted, it has to be on some level because we're a code-based game, of course.  But magick isn't intended to always 'make sense'.

Magick being illogical and unpredictable is fantastic from an IC perspective (and I like it that way), but that isn't even remotely close to a justification for making the coded progression system that way.



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QuoteI get the obfuscation, really I do. Discovery is great fun for players new to the magick system, but for experienced mage players, the changes resulted in quite a bit of wasted effort.

I have to disagree with you in this opinion of yours. As a over 20 year player, I find joy in discovering new things. Especially new spell trees of full elementalist guilds sound so tempting and probably I will try one as my next PC, and I might try others afterwards.

As a fellow 20+ year player, I also find joy in discovering new things. It's odd that you seem to be suggesting that I don't, especially since I was very clear with what, exactly, I don't like about what's been changed with the elementalists.

Get back to me once you've bumped up against it.

This is all pretty moot, ultimately. They'll change things if they feel compelled to. I just wanted to share my first few 'what the fuck' moments as a datapoint.

 

Why cant people have their own opinions and voice them, without others trying to marginalize them. Opinions are a form of people's truth. If you do not agree, move on from theirs.
Quote from: roughneck on October 13, 2018, 10:06:26 AM
Armageddon is best when it's actually harsh and brutal, not when we're only pretending that it is.

I am not trying to invalidate anyone's opinions. I am just voicing my own. On the other hand, I now got Manonfire's concern. It will probably feel weird to me as well when I see that branching spell on my own.
Aside from this topic, I love how the game turned out to be. Last year I was bored as hell in the game. Now there are a lot more players to interact with. Thanks to the staff and all the players who are committing their precious time to this awesome game.
A foreign presence contacts your mind.

You think:
"No! Please leave me be whoever you are."

You sense a foreign presence withdraw from your mind.

Quote from: manonfire on June 23, 2024, 11:42:36 AMDon't get reductive because I've only played a single class.
You're right, that was a bit snarky of me, my apologies.
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QuoteDon't get reductive because I've only played a single class.
You're right, that was a bit snarky of me, my apologies.

It's okay I still love you.

June 23, 2024, 02:45:47 PM #28 Last Edit: June 23, 2024, 02:48:11 PM by Dusty Boots
After trying two different of the guilds, I'm very confused as to why they've all lost 30% of their starting spells and had their branching mean longer. I love elementalists, the lore, the flavor, and their utility that mundanes can't give is the appeal. I like that they're not good at mundane parts, that's the point, but burying a bunch of some of the core parts of certain elements behind branching doesn't feel like a very fun decision?

Like, I understand if elementalists were getting too strong too fast in the past, but being punished for the sins of past players does always suck. Elementalists have the most mind-numbing grind out of any playstyle in the game, and increasing it to the point where certain fullguild mages don't even start with any spells that allow them to actively take part in the game was a decision I don't quite understand.

It's probably the only change to the game in season zero that I've actively disliked. Knowing the grind you have ahead of you as an elementalist is a little stomach-churning, and I can imagine it putting people off. Because again, elementalist grinding is probably the least enjoyable thing in the entire game.

June 23, 2024, 03:10:45 PM #29 Last Edit: June 26, 2024, 01:37:57 AM by Windstorm
Okay, so my experience with magick is limited compared to plenty of you. But, to me, the whole "sense of discovery" thing sort of is a bit lost when it relates to how much and how often you've casted the same spell over and over again, probably just isolated and not in a particularly fantastical way.

Unfolding a spell list even when I did it and it sounded like a shorter trip was a pretty boring grind not much different or more fun than the endless joy of sparring. The saving grace was that it didn't take so punishingly long. It did stop at some point, and you got to go use your cool toys in cools ways and get into cool things.

If spells have been made less functional from the start, it would seem like you've just made magickers more boring and isolated at the start for a longer period of time.

Unfortunately, this is further compounded by the fact that players are more or less forced into being full guild magickers. Magick is now all they can do, and now it takes much longer for them to be able to do anything fun, powerful, or interesting with it?

It's great they have more social freedom, that's a big thumbs up. But now they can only really do magick, and they have to jump through hurdles of grind. It's actually comparable to being a fighting PC now, and not in a good way, but in that you have to grind out for dozens hours before you get to do the thing you made the PC able to do.

I like to be productive, so here are some solutions.

1. Provide advanced start for magickers.
2. Move more functional stuff back to the start of the branching trees again.
3. Either remove the gigantic penalties for subguild magick or take them off of being special app only.

That said, we're like a week in. So who knows? But fighting PCs have been given ways to avoid The Grind. Players of magickers aren't going to like this any better than they did.

About New Magick Guilds; On tabletop RPGs, I like ADnD mages more then later ones. The idea of being much less powerful in the beginning but turning out to be one of the strongest in later stages makes me excited if nothing else. In some sense it naturally creates a part of "hero's journey". I guess it can easily help PC's personality to evolve as well.

On Crafters; The economy of the game and PC distribution is still very new. Even though I like the idea that some craftable armors, weapons, etc. to be sold in limited number in NPC shops, crafters always make good money in game. Crafting system is refined so much in years and it's harder to get a wealthy PC right now, but still not that difficult.

Active Clans: Maybe it's only me but I enjoyed seeing PCs trying to form relationships and groups themselves without any Storyteller support.

As an off-time player coming and going into the game, in last 20+ years I have never seen online number of players this high.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -MT

June 23, 2024, 03:33:00 PM #31 Last Edit: June 23, 2024, 03:48:54 PM by Windstorm
Quote from: Gaare on June 23, 2024, 03:20:39 PMIn some sense it naturally creates a part of "hero's journey". I guess it can easily help PC's personality to evolve as well.

Apologies, and I don't mean to be aggressive but I have to address this.

It's not a hero's journey. In other games you're out doing things, slaying monsters, solving puzzles, so on and so forth, with your magicker and their little party before they're super powerful. When you're starting out you still have a fireball, just a little one.

In Armageddon, once you get the fireball it's soon REALLY POWERFUL but if you have to play for 100 hours of sitting there alone making the same input on a timer like a cubicle slave doing data input before you get to do anything fun, it's kind of just stamping a boring grind on something that people have traditionally turned to to avoid the boring grind.

Also, I don't mean to be overnegative. Overall, the game is doing great but I still believe, strongly, in tackling problems while they're small and new rather than sitting on them. The population is great, the staff is great, thanks to everyone being a part. My style of communication can seem pointed and critical but I always mean well by it.

Yeah, the issue with magickers is not really the length of time that it takes to do anything, but the method. I absolutely wish being a magicker meant unfolding the secrets of your element, going on adventures with a group of people and generally experiencing the game world.

No, becoming powerful as a magicker means sitting in a room, pressing a command over and over again. It's not comparable to dungeons and dragons. The other issue is that practicing your magic involves using up all of your mana, so you can't be doing it while also doing other stuff. After all, as a full guild, magick is the only thing you have.

Quote from: Usiku on June 23, 2024, 04:06:22 AMI would be interested in hearing specifically from players who are currently playing crafters and finding it difficult —what those difficulties are and what would make things easier and more fun for you. Please feel free to send in a request titled "Crafting Conundrums," and I will give it some serious thought about what we can do in the short term.

For me, it's been alright and I have no problems to complain about; the only thing I could ask for is better documentation at the GMH forums about how the route of someone who actually wants to craft and actually wants to sell stuff might look like. More clarity on the docs basically. But honestly, for me, it's been alright. As you say, it depends on the leader.

I want to point out that while some players seem to play magickers alone in a room, like a cubicle worker, repeating the same actions over and over until they "get good" and then go do stuff, there are many players who don't play magickers like that. These players enjoy and explore the process, engaging with each 'session' their PC spends developing their connection with their element. They go on journeys and adventures, using and expanding their magic along the way. There are people who play magickers like this, and they seem to have a great time role-playing their magicker. Because it isn't about quickly becoming a powerful magicker; it's about the journey and what you do with it. Those players tend to also think magickers are the easiest to improve. If the magick part of your magicker PC is just a backdrop for something else, rather than the main event of the concept you want to explore, then yeah, it might feel less than. I feel like players thrive in this game the most when they play concepts they enjoy the journey for, rather than concepts where they just want to get as strong as possible as quick as possible.

With that in mind, we do have some pretty exciting things in store for magickers who do engage with the journey.

Quote from: Usiku on June 23, 2024, 04:47:05 PMI want to point out that while some players seem to play magickers alone in a room, like a cubicle worker, repeating the same actions over and over until they "get good" and then go do stuff, there are many players who don't play magickers like that. These players enjoy and explore the process, engaging with each 'session' their PC spends developing their connection with their element. They go on journeys and adventures, using and expanding their magic along the way. There are people who play magickers like this, and they seem to have a great time role-playing their magicker. Because it isn't about quickly becoming a powerful magicker; it's about the journey and what you do with it. Those players tend to also think magickers are the easiest to improve. If the magick part of your magicker PC is just a backdrop for something else, rather than the main event of the concept you want to explore, then yeah, it might feel less than. I feel like players thrive in this game the most when they play concepts they enjoy the journey for, rather than concepts where they just want to get as strong as possible as quick as possible.

With that in mind, we do have some pretty exciting things in store for magickers who do engage with the journey.

Reading between the lines a little, I definitely love this answer, and I've definitely made a journey of it before myself.

Admittedly, it IS my favorite way of doing things, but that was under somewhat spectacular circumstances. I made a lot of that journey and I did enjoy it immensely. When it's possible, I surely recommend it. But at least in the past I don't think for most players it was a reasonable expectation. Maybe times have changed, for sure!

But, doing it that way and having that expectation is kind of putting a lot on the staff and in the hopes of the staff really noticing you, facilitating it, and also you really being willing to take some wild risks in the process.

If this is more becoming the norm over the course of seasons I'd be overjoyed myself and excited for the possibilities of magickers. I guess I just worry that a lot of people wind up being or feeling excluded when they don't have much that's obviously useful to add, and magickers without a lot of function, because they're full guild now, are at least codewise a bit narrow of focus. Their usefulness being kicked down the road very far is going to affect people who don't play at certain hours or wind up engaged with the plot, and we have a LOT of players at present.

But still, I love your answer and that you took the time to give it. Thank you.

Quote from: Windstorm on June 23, 2024, 03:33:00 PM
Quote from: Gaare on June 23, 2024, 03:20:39 PMIn some sense it naturally creates a part of "hero's journey". I guess it can easily help PC's personality to evolve as well.

Apologies, and I don't mean to be aggressive but I have to address this.

It's not a hero's journey. In other games you're out doing things, slaying monsters, solving puzzles, so on and so forth, with your magicker and their little party before they're super powerful. When you're starting out you still have a fireball, just a little one.

In Armageddon, once you get the fireball it's soon REALLY POWERFUL but if you have to play for 100 hours of sitting there alone making the same input on a timer like a cubicle slave doing data input before you get to do anything fun, it's kind of just stamping a boring grind on something that people have traditionally turned to to avoid the boring grind.

Also, I don't mean to be overnegative. Overall, the game is doing great but I still believe, strongly, in tackling problems while they're small and new rather than sitting on them. The population is great, the staff is great, thanks to everyone being a part. My style of communication can seem pointed and critical but I always mean well by it.

Excellent point. I haven't think this issue from that point. Probably because of my lack of experince, I always felt even at the beginning of the game, magickers have something useful in their belt. I really can't remember previous Full Krathi list (Maybe I played one many years ago), and obviously I don't know what they begin with it right now. In any case, if starting spells for a full-guild mage is rather useless like cantrips then that's another issue. Cheers.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -MT

i think a fix to 99% of the game's problems would be making rentable warehouses and having creating player clans as simple as owning one then sending in a request tbh
would tie in nicely with the clan bank accounts

Quote from: AKawaiiBear on June 23, 2024, 06:37:35 PMi think a fix to 99% of the game's problems would be making rentable warehouses and having creating player clans as simple as owning one then sending in a request tbh
would tie in nicely with the clan bank accounts

It's been made extra easy, genuinely. I'd say pursue it in game, and it's possible within a week.
Try to be the gem in each other's shit.

Quote from: AKawaiiBear on June 23, 2024, 06:37:35 PMi think a fix to 99% of the game's problems would be making rentable warehouses and having creating player clans as simple as owning one then sending in a request tbh
would tie in nicely with the clan bank accounts

Staff have actually been very chill about this and almost encourage it. Kudos to Usiku. It's very easy if you have it as a goal!

I'm going to preface this with how I didn't expect to ever play this game again. So my main 'good thing' is that there seems to be a real effort toward institutional change on the part of staff, which I had felt in interactions through the Discord and in speaking with staff members privately. My main concern is that the positivity and energy will break into overworkedness and defensiveness upon crashing into the wall known as The Actual Players, who are often as persnickety and crotchety and opinionated as the residents in a VA retirement center. I say this fondly, as An Actual Player myself (and A Jaded Veteran on top!).


As far as my own review of particulars rather than grand, sweeping philosophical things. Good things:

1. Lots of energy. The fresh start has things feeling much less stagnant and it feels easier to 'break in' to than rolling a new character in a city where 90% of the population already has cliques. This is probably affected by higher player numbers, even at my off-peak playtimes.

2. There seem to be efforts to involve indies in developments by PCs in leadership. Thank you, PCs in leadership.

3. Animations. It's nice to see them outside the context of a sponsored role superior giving you tasks or yelling at you. It reminds me of the days that Vennant would sometimes be animated for no reason.

Obviously, there's a lot positive to be said about the facelift of the in-game areas themselves. There has been a whole lot of work done on the rooms and clear thought and direction put into the jump-forward. The effort to draw players together and promote interaction between formerly stratified is working, and I've enjoyed the breadth of RP I have seen on IC prejudice issues. Lots of love has been poured on the old bones, and it shows.


My pain points:

1. Off peak still feels very off peak. With a notable exception, there is limited clan/leadership stretch into certain times of day, despite having player numbers in the 20s and low 30s.

2. I have trouble finding the information that I need. I was recently trying to find City Elves PSA that I remembered coming out in the Seasons Information section, but after some time on the struggle bus, I found it in staff announcements. There are so many pinned posts about so many disparate topics that the staff announcements area is a little hard to navigate.

3. I've forgotten many of the commands and the game does not always help you. It seems like some of the feedback on missing command information has been improved, but some things like offering a ticket to a stablemaster or buying water from the waterseller don't give good feedback about what you're doing wrong. I have certainly 'give'n obsidian to the Mines Office and been confused when nothing happened. Since these aren't bugs or typos, I'm not really sure how to point them out without being a pain in the ass.


Overall, it feels like there is a lot of promise, and I'll be sticking around to see how things shake out while I have time to play. I have my fingers and toes crossed that things will continue to trend positive. Thanks!

Quote from: val on June 23, 2024, 08:39:36 PMI'm not really sure how to point them out without being a pain in the ass.
When explaining to staff these sorts of pain points I experience with the game I generally don't mind being a pain in the ass about it if there's no other way. It's going to be a pain in my ass forever unless it gets fixed.

Quote from: Throwaway on June 23, 2024, 10:06:37 PM
Quote from: val on June 23, 2024, 08:39:36 PMI'm not really sure how to point them out without being a pain in the ass.
When explaining to staff these sorts of pain points I experience with the game I generally don't mind being a pain in the ass about it if there's no other way. It's going to be a pain in my ass forever unless it gets fixed.

The full quote starts with "Since these aren't bugs or typos." It's a mechanics issue, not a philosophy issue. In other words, if there's a place to note something that could use improvement but isn't a bug or typo, other than posting about it in the code suggestions forum, I'm not aware of it.

I don't want to be a pain in the ass by creating 20 GDB threads about minor issues. If you know a method for bringing these minor suggestions to the right attention, I'd appreciate the tip. Thanks!

Quote from: val on June 23, 2024, 11:11:47 PM
Quote from: Throwaway on June 23, 2024, 10:06:37 PM
Quote from: val on June 23, 2024, 08:39:36 PMI'm not really sure how to point them out without being a pain in the ass.
When explaining to staff these sorts of pain points I experience with the game I generally don't mind being a pain in the ass about it if there's no other way. It's going to be a pain in my ass forever unless it gets fixed.

The full quote starts with "Since these aren't bugs or typos." It's a mechanics issue, not a philosophy issue. In other words, if there's a place to note something that could use improvement but isn't a bug or typo, other than posting about it in the code suggestions forum, I'm not aware of it.

I don't want to be a pain in the ass by creating 20 GDB threads about minor issues. If you know a method for bringing these minor suggestions to the right attention, I'd appreciate the tip. Thanks!

You can use the IDEA command in game.
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on May 20, 2013, 11:16:52 PM
Masks are the Armageddon equivalent of Ed Hardy shirts.

Quote from: val on June 23, 2024, 11:11:47 PMI don't want to be a pain in the ass by creating 20 GDB threads about minor issues. If you know a method for bringing these minor suggestions to the right attention, I'd appreciate the tip. Thanks!

Idea or typo both work! If you have a bunch of little things like, I couldn't find the help file for X or the syntax for Y really isn't obvious and so on - you can always throw them together into a request too. Thank you for your feedback. :)

Quote from: val on June 23, 2024, 08:39:36 PMMy main concern is that the positivity and energy will break into overworkedness and defensiveness upon crashing into the wall known as The Actual Players, who are often as persnickety and crotchety and opinionated as the residents in a VA retirement center. I say this fondly, as An Actual Player myself (and A Jaded Veteran on top!).

In my official capacities, might be a good time to note: the commitments from staff for seasons are matched by an expectation from players to also step up.

We've been asked to meet a higher bar in how we engage with staff and each other.

So it's worth reflecting on the game and how it is running, but *also* what we've personally done to make the community and game a fun and welcoming place for newbies, and a game people *want* to staff.

Quote from: adri on June 23, 2024, 10:33:08 AMI feel like role calls for mercantile GMH family members would certainly help. If you have blooded Dealers and Merchants, they could oversee GMH sales and act as supporting characters to the already present Agents. It also allows for a bit of overlap in playtimes as leaders go and you'd have a backup should an Agent store or die for whatever reason. This would at least make things a bit more fluid and provide junior leadership roles and jobs for crafters (newbies, especially).

The stalls could sell essentials but lack specialty items and then you're back to the indie hunter reliant economy of old. With the new freedom afforded to leaders in general (less OOC red tape), I feel like it'd be a good thing. As someone who truly enjoys crafting, playing a Kuraci dealer was one of my favorite roles ever despite the occasional frustration. Maybe I'm in the minority on that!

(Submitting this in a request but also here, for feedback. Maybe it's a huge mistake and there's a million reasons why!)

That's essentially the old system. These roles were very hard to fill and essentially unavailable more often than not because the player died/stored/stopped logging in/was outside your time zone. Need a bow because there's nothing with the pull you need at stores or some specialty item? Tough luck, you're not getting it this year. We tried that, it didn't work.

I really like the availability of items in NPC shops. It's great as an off-peaker and it makes sense.

PC's love unique items, so I think PC merchants will always have a market. NPC shops are expensive, so PC's should be able to undercut as well. Finally, with the new quality system, if you're a PC merchant who can sell VG+ weapons, you will be more than fine. High quality weapons are still relatively hard to come by.

There's lots of cool other stuff that I like. Travel feels more fun, and more dangerous, and the new road(s) are great for new players who don't have a mental map of the game world. Mostly, the staff very intentional approach and commitment to good leadership, inclusivity, freedom and fair-play is noticed and will be the difference maker for giving us a shot at sustaining the growth in player base.

Quote from: roughneck on June 24, 2024, 06:38:16 AMPC's love unique items, so I think PC merchants will always have a market. NPC shops are expensive, so PC's should be able to undercut as well. Finally, with the new quality system, if you're a PC merchant who can sell VG+ weapons, you will be more than fine. High quality weapons are still relatively hard to come by.

This was our thinking too and all of this was by design, so I'm glad someone noticed!  ;D

I might also suggest.... even if your PC crafter can't find something to sell to another PC... they MAY be able to use their connections (haggle) and get the price of what someone DOES want down a bit.

So maybe they want that 1500 coin cuirass at Salarr. They don't want what you make. But maybe you can sell them the same Cuirass for 1000 and still make a profit.
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on May 20, 2013, 11:16:52 PM
Masks are the Armageddon equivalent of Ed Hardy shirts.

June 24, 2024, 02:25:07 PM #50 Last Edit: June 24, 2024, 02:28:50 PM by Classclown
Good: More people.
Bad: More people./jk
Suggestions:
1. I think the beasts around Allanak need to respawn quicker or in more numbers based on the amount of increased players. Maybe some of the northern edge beasts could migrate south in greater numbers, like gurth and raptors.

2. Staff-side: Raise the amount of each type of item shopkeeps accept and make it per individual rather than overall.
    Player side: To be fair, this is an RPI and if you're playing a merchant, act like it. Throw down a blanket somewhere, toss your wares on it and sell, or go in the pc tavern, with a token from your friendly neighborhood Lord or Lady Templar if applicable, of course, or not (on your head). Being an indy crafter is supposed to be more difficult than working for a GMH. Independence in exchange for the perks and privileges of working for Kadius, Kurac, or Salarr.

June 24, 2024, 02:37:59 PM #51 Last Edit: June 24, 2024, 02:43:27 PM by Dresan
Quote from: Classclown on June 24, 2024, 02:25:07 PM2. Staff-side:  make it per individual rather than overall.

I like this idea but i rather the limit/reset timer be tied with the haggle skill, as it was suggested in another thread.

Without haggle skill people should be limited to sell one or two unique every few days, before it resets. The sell limit and reset timer could perhaps based  be based on wisdom if you don't have the skill. While those with the skill would be able to convince the shop keeper to buy more unique items depending on shopkeeper funds, more often.

It would be a nice buff to merchants and perhaps wisdom. It allows players without haggle skill to make enough to survive but probably not get rich.

Hey moderation note: if feedback refers to currently in game characters, please put that in a "player feedback" request and not here.

My only problem is that there seems to be little means of informing staff of "I joined this clan and did this thing you really should probably be aware of."

I think there should be a Bio field that just "staff should know about this".

Quote from: Inky on June 25, 2024, 09:44:15 AMMy only problem is that there seems to be little means of informing staff of "I joined this clan and did this thing you really should probably be aware of."

I think there should be a Bio field that just "staff should know about this".

If you think we need to know about something your PC did.. pop the details into a bio and submit a request with a TLDR intro pointing us to the bio. :)

Quote from: Usiku on June 25, 2024, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: Inky on June 25, 2024, 09:44:15 AMMy only problem is that there seems to be little means of informing staff of "I joined this clan and did this thing you really should probably be aware of."

I think there should be a Bio field that just "staff should know about this".

If you think we need to know about something your PC did.. pop the details into a bio and submit a request with a TLDR intro pointing us to the bio. :)

I think the issue here is that we get hung up on the request categories and there is no 'Character related' or 'Clan related' category that fits. Maybe add a 'Staff notification' category to character related requests, or rename Question/Request in the 'Clan related' category to Question/Request/Notification.