Does this denote you skilled up?   (advanced)+ the plus behind the word.

Yes.

By the way, there is currently a "bug" where you'll start the game with a couple of skills with the + next to it.  Everyone in the south gets a bonus to dual wield, parry, and slashing weapons.  It's added when you point allanak using the same code as when you gain a skill.  This is only an issue when you first login, but I'll get it fixed shortly.

Quote from: Halaster on June 15, 2024, 05:02:59 PMBy the way, there is currently a "bug"

For other non-game breaking bugs we find, is the preferred method of reporting them still the ingame bug command?

Quote from: Dresan on June 15, 2024, 05:28:16 PM

Quote from: Halaster on June 15, 2024, 05:02:59 PMBy the way, there is currently a "bug"

For other non-game breaking bugs we find, is the preferred method of reporting them still the ingame bug command?

Yeah.  If the one-liner that the command allows isn't enough, then use the request tool.

I just want to quickly post something I said when it was first revealed. I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth but I've already had like 10 people be confused about what the + actually means, the majority of people are guessing that it means the skill is still on timer, when it's actually 6x the length of the timer. I personally would rather it just be the timer rather than some weird middle ground, but I know that's a hard sell for staff.

It's never gonna be the timer. 

People can read the help file if they are confused.

Quote from: Usiku on June 17, 2024, 09:20:25 AMPeople can read the help file if they are confused.

Which helpfiles specifically?

Quote from: Usiku on June 17, 2024, 09:20:25 AMIt's never gonna be the timer. 

People can read the help file if they are confused.

Yeah I can never imagine it actually being the timer, I suggested some sort of randomness to make it semi-inaccurate but I understand it's a new features so we'll just see how it goes. My main issue has just been that there's been a fair bit of confusion about it, as it's not particularly intuitive. I know help files exist, but even though it might be obvious to you or I, knowing what help file to check isn't always the greatest. Help files are a labyrinth on their own.

Quote from: Dresan on June 17, 2024, 09:44:51 AM

Quote from: Usiku on June 17, 2024, 09:20:25 AMPeople can read the help file if they are confused.

Which helpfiles specifically?

To clarify, I am not sure if we are talking about general skill helpfiles or if there are specific helpfiles on '+' feature.

Let's add the two periods (..) that follow some skills. The answer is in Skills.  My bad.

Quote from: Dresan on June 17, 2024, 09:44:51 AM

Quote from: Usiku on June 17, 2024, 09:20:25 AMPeople can read the help file if they are confused.

Which helpfiles specifically?

The "skills" helpfile.

https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

A couple things I need to add to the helpfile:

"6 hours" means "6 RL hours," not Zalanthan.

+ doesn't show for gains from the learn command or (as of next release) the teach command.

+ never shows for the hide or scan skills. If it did you could get perfect information about whether you hid successfully or whether someone else is hiding nearby; which would suck, respectively, not enough or too much for sneaky folks.

+ doesn't show once your skill gets into the "master" bracket. (Chorus of groans, I know!) At that point, although you will benefit from gains, you're more than competent and we want to encourage chilling out about it.

The big use case we wanted to support is checking your skills to see what you've gained at in the current play session (broadly defined). We don't want folks to be clueless about how to get their skills up when skills matter so much in this game. OTOH if you are actually gaining skills consistently while you play, you don't really need to worry about doing better than that.

Quote from: Ursun on June 17, 2024, 11:37:00 AMstuff

Thanks, this clears up a lot. 

Quote from: Ursun on June 17, 2024, 11:37:00 AMhttps://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

A couple things I need to add to the helpfile:

"6 hours" means "6 RL hours," not Zalanthan.

+ doesn't show for gains from the learn command or (as of next release) the teach command.

+ never shows for the hide or scan skills. If it did you could get perfect information about whether you hid successfully or whether someone else is hiding nearby; which would suck, respectively, not enough or too much for sneaky folks.

+ doesn't show once your skill gets into the "master" bracket. (Chorus of groans, I know!) At that point, although you will benefit from gains, you're more than competent and we want to encourage chilling out about it.

The big use case we wanted to support is checking your skills to see what you've gained at in the current play session (broadly defined). We don't want folks to be clueless about how to get their skills up when skills matter so much in this game. OTOH if you are actually gaining skills consistently while you play, you don't really need to worry about doing better than that.

I do really appreciate that it gives new players a good idea whether or not they're doing something right!

Quote from: Halaster on June 15, 2024, 05:02:59 PMBy the way, there is currently a "bug" where you'll start the game with a couple of skills with the + next to it.  Everyone in the south gets a bonus to dual wield, parry, and slashing weapons.  It's added when you point allanak using the same code as when you gain a skill.  This is only an issue when you first login, but I'll get it fixed shortly.

This is fixed now.

Will the system stop showing + after the skill after reaching the cap of that skill below master level?

Quote from: eska on July 03, 2024, 10:34:37 AMWill the system stop showing + after the skill after reaching the cap of that skill below master level?

Yeah. When you reach the skill cap you should stop gaining, and if you haven't gained recently you won't see a '+'.

Quote from: Ursun on July 03, 2024, 11:39:29 AM

Quote from: eska on July 03, 2024, 10:34:37 AMWill the system stop showing + after the skill after reaching the cap of that skill below master level?

Yeah. When you reach the skill cap you should stop gaining, and if you haven't gained recently you won't see a '+'.

I find that this doesn't seem to be the case. I'm seeing a + in skills that I'm certain are capped.

Quote from: Roon on July 03, 2024, 12:29:15 PM

Quote from: Ursun on July 03, 2024, 11:39:29 AM

Quote from: eska on July 03, 2024, 10:34:37 AMWill the system stop showing + after the skill after reaching the cap of that skill below master level?

Yeah. When you reach the skill cap you should stop gaining, and if you haven't gained recently you won't see a '+'.

I find that this doesn't seem to be the case. I'm seeing a + in skills that I'm certain are capped.

This is the reason why I asked? I think that way as well.

I'm wondering if the + shows up for SKILL Cap, not CHARACTER Skill Cap.

As in, you only get a skill to Advanced, but someone else gets it to Master, so you continue seeing the +

IMO it is a little placement mistake. The code for + was put before the cap validation. You get the skill increase and the code puts + after the skill. Then checks if it reached the cap and prevents the skill level to increase.

Based on the help file, it DOES specify:

This indicator is NOT shown for the hide and
scan skills, and it isn't shown once your skill aptitude is in the "master"
category.

So I'm thinking if you max at Advanced, it will continue showing the +

Can we get an indicator when a skill won't improve anymore?

Doesn't the + symbol go away after 6 hours of the last time you've learned the skill?


https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

"Skills that you have improved by failing at in the last 6 hours are indicated with a "+" after the aptitude or power level. "