the +

[shadeoux]

Does this denote you skilled up?   (advanced)+ the plus behind the word.

[Patuk]

Yes.

[Halaster]

By the way, there is currently a "bug" where you'll start the game with a couple of skills with the + next to it.  Everyone in the south gets a bonus to dual wield, parry, and slashing weapons.  It's added when you point allanak using the same code as when you gain a skill.  This is only an issue when you first login, but I'll get it fixed shortly.

[Dresan]

By the way, there is currently a "bug"

For other non-game breaking bugs we find, is the preferred method of reporting them still the ingame bug command?

[Halaster]

By the way, there is currently a "bug"

For other non-game breaking bugs we find, is the preferred method of reporting them still the ingame bug command?

Yeah.  If the one-liner that the command allows isn't enough, then use the request tool.

[Kavrick]

I just want to quickly post something I said when it was first revealed. I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth but I've already had like 10 people be confused about what the + actually means, the majority of people are guessing that it means the skill is still on timer, when it's actually 6x the length of the timer. I personally would rather it just be the timer rather than some weird middle ground, but I know that's a hard sell for staff.

[Usiku]

It's never gonna be the timer. 

People can read the help file if they are confused.

[Dresan]

People can read the help file if they are confused.

Which helpfiles specifically?

[Kavrick]

It's never gonna be the timer. 

People can read the help file if they are confused.

Yeah I can never imagine it actually being the timer, I suggested some sort of randomness to make it semi-inaccurate but I understand it's a new features so we'll just see how it goes. My main issue has just been that there's been a fair bit of confusion about it, as it's not particularly intuitive. I know help files exist, but even though it might be obvious to you or I, knowing what help file to check isn't always the greatest. Help files are a labyrinth on their own.

[Dresan]

People can read the help file if they are confused.

Which helpfiles specifically?

To clarify, I am not sure if we are talking about general skill helpfiles or if there are specific helpfiles on '+' feature.

[Cowboy]

Let's add the two periods (..) that follow some skills. The answer is in Skills.  My bad.

[mansa]

People can read the help file if they are confused.

Which helpfiles specifically?

The "skills" helpfile.

[Ursun]

https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

A couple things I need to add to the helpfile:

"6 hours" means "6 RL hours," not Zalanthan.

+ doesn't show for gains from the learn command or (as of next release) the teach command.

+ never shows for the hide or scan skills. If it did you could get perfect information about whether you hid successfully or whether someone else is hiding nearby; which would suck, respectively, not enough or too much for sneaky folks.

+ doesn't show once your skill gets into the "master" bracket. (Chorus of groans, I know!) At that point, although you will benefit from gains, you're more than competent and we want to encourage chilling out about it.

The big use case we wanted to support is checking your skills to see what you've gained at in the current play session (broadly defined). We don't want folks to be clueless about how to get their skills up when skills matter so much in this game. OTOH if you are actually gaining skills consistently while you play, you don't really need to worry about doing better than that.

[Dresan]

stuff

Thanks, this clears up a lot. 

[Kavrick]

https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

A couple things I need to add to the helpfile:

"6 hours" means "6 RL hours," not Zalanthan.

+ doesn't show for gains from the learn command or (as of next release) the teach command.

+ never shows for the hide or scan skills. If it did you could get perfect information about whether you hid successfully or whether someone else is hiding nearby; which would suck, respectively, not enough or too much for sneaky folks.

+ doesn't show once your skill gets into the "master" bracket. (Chorus of groans, I know!) At that point, although you will benefit from gains, you're more than competent and we want to encourage chilling out about it.

The big use case we wanted to support is checking your skills to see what you've gained at in the current play session (broadly defined). We don't want folks to be clueless about how to get their skills up when skills matter so much in this game. OTOH if you are actually gaining skills consistently while you play, you don't really need to worry about doing better than that.

I do really appreciate that it gives new players a good idea whether or not they're doing something right!

[Halaster]

By the way, there is currently a "bug" where you'll start the game with a couple of skills with the + next to it.  Everyone in the south gets a bonus to dual wield, parry, and slashing weapons.  It's added when you point allanak using the same code as when you gain a skill.  This is only an issue when you first login, but I'll get it fixed shortly.

This is fixed now.

[eska]

Will the system stop showing + after the skill after reaching the cap of that skill below master level?

[Ursun]

Will the system stop showing + after the skill after reaching the cap of that skill below master level?

Yeah. When you reach the skill cap you should stop gaining, and if you haven't gained recently you won't see a '+'.

[Roon]

Will the system stop showing + after the skill after reaching the cap of that skill below master level?

Yeah. When you reach the skill cap you should stop gaining, and if you haven't gained recently you won't see a '+'.

I find that this doesn't seem to be the case. I'm seeing a + in skills that I'm certain are capped.

[eska]

Will the system stop showing + after the skill after reaching the cap of that skill below master level?

Yeah. When you reach the skill cap you should stop gaining, and if you haven't gained recently you won't see a '+'.

I find that this doesn't seem to be the case. I'm seeing a + in skills that I'm certain are capped.

This is the reason why I asked? I think that way as well.

[Riev]

I'm wondering if the + shows up for SKILL Cap, not CHARACTER Skill Cap.

As in, you only get a skill to Advanced, but someone else gets it to Master, so you continue seeing the +

[eska]

IMO it is a little placement mistake. The code for + was put before the cap validation. You get the skill increase and the code puts + after the skill. Then checks if it reached the cap and prevents the skill level to increase.

[Riev]

Based on the help file, it DOES specify:

This indicator is NOT shown for the hide and
scan skills, and it isn't shown once your skill aptitude is in the "master"
category.

So I'm thinking if you max at Advanced, it will continue showing the +

[Windstorm]

Can we get an indicator when a skill won't improve anymore?

[talos]

Doesn't the + symbol go away after 6 hours of the last time you've learned the skill?


https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

"Skills that you have improved by failing at in the last 6 hours are indicated with a "+" after the aptitude or power level. "

[Dresan]

Doesn't the + symbol go away after 6 hours of the last time you've learned the skill?


https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

"Skills that you have improved by failing at in the last 6 hours are indicated with a "+" after the aptitude or power level. "

The '+' goes away after a few hours.

However skills that cap lower than master, eg. raider forage, still continue to get + after failure even though they are capped.

On a side tangent would recommend lowering the '+' reset to 4 hours, but i digress.

[eska]

Based on the help file, it DOES specify:

This indicator is NOT shown for the hide and
scan skills, and it isn't shown once your skill aptitude is in the "master"
category.

So I'm thinking if you max at Advanced, it will continue showing the +

This shouldn't be the case. Ursun just said we should not be seeing + after reaching the cap.

[eska]

Doesn't the + symbol go away after 6 hours of the last time you've learned the skill?


https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

"Skills that you have improved by failing at in the last 6 hours are indicated with a "+" after the aptitude or power level. "

This is not the question Talos. We're expecting not the see the +, after we reach the cap of a skill.

[talos]

Doesn't the + symbol go away after 6 hours of the last time you've learned the skill?


https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

"Skills that you have improved by failing at in the last 6 hours are indicated with a "+" after the aptitude or power level. "

This is not the question Talos. We're expecting not the see the +, after we reach the cap of a skill.

Let's see if I understand.

You have the skill - juggling.   You're currently 49/50, which is the cap for your class.   There is another class that gets it up to 95.

At midnight, you gain some skill, so it goes from 49 -> 50/50.
Your skill list would show:
juggling+       (journeyman)

After 6 hours, it should show:
juggling        (journeyman)


Is that correct?

[cnemus]

The issue being reported and I have had it also, is that even though you are at 50/50, you still get the + when you fail. If your class skill caps at journeyman or advanced the + keeps appearing even when you have reached it. Yes, it does go away after six hours, but it keeps coming back or never leaves because it is a skill that fails so frequently.

[eska]

Doesn't the + symbol go away after 6 hours of the last time you've learned the skill?


https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skills

"Skills that you have improved by failing at in the last 6 hours are indicated with a "+" after the aptitude or power level. "

This is not the question Talos. We're expecting not the see the +, after we reach the cap of a skill.

Let's see if I understand.

You have the skill - juggling.  You're currently 49/50, which is the cap for your class.  There is another class that gets it up to 95.

At midnight, you gain some skill, so it goes from 49 -> 50/50.
Your skill list would show:
juggling+      (journeyman)

After 6 hours, it should show:
juggling        (journeyman)


Is that correct?

After 6 hours, I should keep seeing
juggling        (journeyman)
however many times I fail at that skill.

[talos]

The issue being reported and I have had it also, is that even though you are at 50/50, you still get the + when you fail. If your class skill caps at journeyman or advanced the + keeps appearing even when you have reached it. Yes, it does go away after six hours, but it keeps coming back or never leaves because it is a skill that fails so frequently.

Ahh, I understand now.

I didn't see a bug report in the request tool about this.  I found one in the bug command list, though.  I'll report it upstairs.

[eska]

The issue being reported and I have had it also, is that even though you are at 50/50, you still get the + when you fail. If your class skill caps at journeyman or advanced the + keeps appearing even when you have reached it. Yes, it does go away after six hours, but it keeps coming back or never leaves because it is a skill that fails so frequently.

Ahh, I understand now.

I didn't see a bug report in the request tool about this.  I found one in the bug command list, though.  I'll report it upstairs.

Thanks.

[Ursun]

I see the problem! Thanks for reporting this.

[dumbstruck]

I'm having a different issue. Not sure if it is intentional or a bug but used 'learn' while a PC was on skellebain and had all learns open. not a single + even though telling me that 3 of the 4 took. Next PC, clearly hasn't used learn yet, use learn on 4 skills (3 in 1 skill category, 1 in another), none of the skills get a +. Is my account bugged? Why aren't + signs showing on things when I have learn slots open and know for a fact I'm sitting at a skill that has not had a single IC fail yet, so only learn could have given a + for any of the things, and there was not a + near even one of them.

[eska]

I'm having a different issue. Not sure if it is intentional or a bug but used 'learn' while a PC was on skellebain and had all learns open. not a single + even though telling me that 3 of the 4 took. Next PC, clearly hasn't used learn yet, use learn on 4 skills (3 in 1 skill category, 1 in another), none of the skills get a +. Is my account bugged? Why aren't + signs showing on things when I have learn slots open and know for a fact I'm sitting at a skill that has not had a single IC fail yet, so only learn could have given a + for any of the things, and there was not a + near even one of them.

Learn doesn't show +. Meaning you can increase the skill traditionally and use learn at the same time.

[dumbstruck]

I'm having a different issue. Not sure if it is intentional or a bug but used 'learn' while a PC was on skellebain and had all learns open. not a single + even though telling me that 3 of the 4 took. Next PC, clearly hasn't used learn yet, use learn on 4 skills (3 in 1 skill category, 1 in another), none of the skills get a +. Is my account bugged? Why aren't + signs showing on things when I have learn slots open and know for a fact I'm sitting at a skill that has not had a single IC fail yet, so only learn could have given a + for any of the things, and there was not a + near even one of them.

Learn doesn't show +. Meaning you can increase the skill traditionally and use learn at the same time.

Thank you. I guess for some reason it seemed like if your skill raised it should show in my mind and I just wasn't making sense of why it wasn't doing that.