I hear a comment about mudsex at least once every topic...is there one or two of you obsessed with it or is this a corrupt fourm of crazies ;]
I'm kidding, I don't plan on leaving anytime soon, but I really need to get a few answers on this question...thanks.
I branched into mudsex under my manipulation skills.
Does that count as addicted?
What's with all of you and making elves?
What's with all of you who only play females or males?
What's with all of you that want phat in game lewt and reroll characters just to get it?
What's with all you Amoses?
What's with all you?
Quote from: boog on April 21, 2011, 05:50:39 PM
What's with all of you and making elves?
What's with all of you who only play females or males?
What's with all of you that want phat in game lewt and reroll characters just to get it?
What's with all you Amoses?
What's with all you?
Those questions need to be answerd also. Mostly the Amoses one
Some of what you read on the GDB are probably topics that only a handful of interested people reply to. And probably only a fraction of the actual population of Arm players post on the GDB regularly.
Sex is a universally interesting topic because we all have desires. It's evident in marketing.
It's only natural that mudsex arouses enough interest for people to post about.
Also, it's a bit of a running gag.
Kind of like Amos, the other guy(i can't remember him, please post his name) Mavek (I think?) and Trissy?
Also, petoching people with Ath.
Amos, Malik and someone else. But she's usually a tressy-tressed maiden.
Pearl is the female Amos, I believe.
I thought Talia was the female equivalent of Amos.
Right! Talia.
Was just browsing the thread hoping for a mudsex log. Disappointed again. :-\
Quote from: Majikal on April 21, 2011, 06:52:20 PM
Was just browsing the thread hoping for a mudsex log. Disappointed again. :-\
We can never have what we desire. :c
Pearl is NOT the female equivalent of Amos.
Quote from: Barzalene on April 21, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
Pearl is NOT the female equivalent of Amos.
Who is then? Talia?
Where did this Amos come from?
Legend has it, that once upon a time in the age of Steinal, there were a few characters named Amos all being played during the same time frame. Legend continues, that Malik is the second-most popular name, or was, at that time. Talia, supposedly, is, or was, the most popular name for a female.
Text-based sexual scenes in muds, throughout gaming history, has continued to be the source of endless entertainment and amusement among gamers, though often it's more the ridiculousness of how seriously some people take it, and less the actual masturbation value.
And so, the running gags involve Amos, Malik, and Talia, and mudsex. Sometimes at the same time. Together. All three of them. It's really just a running joke. The mudsex thing, AND the Amos/Malik/Talia thing.
i.e. armageddonMUD has GDB memes.
IF YOU WANT HOT STEAMING MUDSEX CLICK HERE!!! (http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6442/mud110pq9.png)
I apologize that it's not bigger. I don't know where my big version went.
Quote from: Lizzie on April 21, 2011, 11:07:02 PM
And so, the running gags involve Amos, Malik, and Talia, and mudsex. Sometimes at the same time. Together. All three of them. It's really just a running joke. The mudsex thing, AND the Amos/Malik/Talia thing.
This is all true. Also, I would say people post about mudsex so much because a- they want it, b- they want other people to have less of it and interact more, or c- they think it's funny. Sometimes they can be a, b, and c all at once. But really, people don't just post about mudsex. We follow a specific pattern of posting that can be found here (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,31255.msg558782.html#msg558782).
Quote from: a strange shadow on April 21, 2011, 11:09:57 PM
i.e. armageddonMUD has GDB memes. :) *
*
Edited for dramatic emphasis.
Sometimes, I check my skills, knowing I haven't done anything codewise. Vaguely, I'm hoping that I have the mudsex skill, and it's somehow improved. ::)
Quote from: Lizzie on April 21, 2011, 11:07:02 PM
Text-based sexual scenes in muds, throughout gaming history, has continued to be the source of endless entertainment and amusement among gamers, though often it's more the ridiculousness of how seriously some people take it, and less the actual masturbation value.
So I really am the only one who masturbates during mudsex? :'(
Sorry for the slow responses.
Quote from: Kismetic on April 22, 2011, 02:26:42 AM
Sometimes, I check my skills, knowing I haven't done anything codewise. Vaguely, I'm hoping that I have the mudsex skill, and it's somehow improved. ::)
Practice practice practice...
Quote from: Barzalene on April 21, 2011, 07:48:08 PM
Pearl is NOT the female equivalent of Amos.
Oh... I must have remembered wrong. My mistake.
Quote from: Lizzie on April 21, 2011, 11:07:02 PM
Legend has it, that once upon a time in the age of Steinal, there were a few characters named Amos all being played during the same time frame. Legend continues, that Malik is the second-most popular name, or was, at that time. Talia, supposedly, is, or was, the most popular name for a female.
And then one day Super Amos was born. His friends abbreviated his name to S. Amos and eventually he was simply known as Samos.
True story. I think.
Quote from: Thunkkin on April 22, 2011, 07:50:59 AM
Quote from: Lizzie on April 21, 2011, 11:07:02 PM
Legend has it, that once upon a time in the age of Steinal, there were a few characters named Amos all being played during the same time frame. Legend continues, that Malik is the second-most popular name, or was, at that time. Talia, supposedly, is, or was, the most popular name for a female.
And then one day Super Amos was born. His friends abbreviated his name to S. Amos and eventually he was simply known as Samos.
True story. I think.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Kismetic on April 22, 2011, 02:26:42 AM
Sometimes, I check my skills, knowing I haven't done anything codewise. Vaguely, I'm hoping that I have the mudsex skill, and it's somehow improved. ::)
It's a class skill for all the guilds, but someone has to 'teach' it to you. I think I got it from a staff's character or from one of X-D's characters. Never actually got the chance to use it at that time though, because female/homosexual male dwarves are so rare.
The problem is that most characters start as complete newbies, so as much as you're emoting all your sex, the characters all start off virgins until some long lived character teaches them how to do sex. I guess "prostitute" is some 9 karma subguild, because it's too easily abused by all the teenagers playing this game.
Quote from: SMuz on April 22, 2011, 07:58:40 AM
It's a class skill for all the guilds, but someone has to 'teach' it to you. I think I got it from a staff's character or from one of X-D's characters. Never actually got the chance to use it at that time though, because female/homosexual male dwarves are so rare.
The problem is that most characters start as complete newbies, so as much as you're emoting all your sex, the characters all start off virgins until some long lived character teaches them how to do sex. I guess "prostitute" is some 9 karma subguild, because it's too easily abused by all the teenagers playing this game.
This is truth.
Also, remember when trying to branch into mudsex that the act of mudsex is 'turn-based', so if you make mistakes by posting crazily quick then you will [censored due to sekret content] and be able to [censored due to super-sekret content]!
I think I'm the only player what never mud-sexed.
I saw this topic and thought, damn. Now I can't start a General MudSex topic that will live longer than I will.
To this day, I have never actually mudsexed. Everything has gone FTB or been interrupted mid-sexy dance.
There's been a lot of massages and rubdowns though.
I'm still on my first char and they've not even been close to anything yet - even for a FTB. :/
Heh, that's ironic. My earliest characters are the ones who got the most people flirting with them, with none on the future characters. I never actually played it out though, I just stripped one character, and then OOC'ed 'gtg' because I didn't know how to FTB. And the later characters were rather ugly, with uglier girlfriends, so I'm glad to FTB with them.
Oh, what fun. Interesting discussion...hopefully my 3rd character can find true love. :o
I recall being told by a player that consented at first then faded that they had been playing and their significant other in rl was playing. They would play near each other in the same room. and apparently the other caught a glimpse over the players shoulder an hollered for a fade to black.
Soon I got an email from staff, with a wagging finger. I can naught remember if the other had sent in the complaint on their own account or via the players account, but the player said that the complaint did come from the other. OUCH.
Its funny because I think generally I like the whole preparing to do the nasty, then cut out and come back in with a "HOwdy Duddy, that was good."
But after a few times I think that the mud sex itself became boring in the sense it took to much up keep, to much time away from other things and it your not an independent and have repsonsibilities, and the other person just wants to hook up all the time it become taxing.
So when the demand becomes high I kill them... or want to. Killing is easier than breaking up. Less broken hearts and all.. I mean in the end its really the least cruel thing to do. After all, someone broken up with always (generally) has that hollowed heart feeling of being dead.
Now I prefer good solid relationships, character development with career minded others. Working together towards a purpose.
Long walks, tea on the balcony of the tea house, watching Krath descend, while listening to the waifing music and voices of the circle rise up from below.
I want to MUDsex with Potaje. We have the same opinion and stuff.
My opinion? It's not that I think sexy time can't be an important part of the story. It's more that I can think of a thousand other things that would be a better use of my time ingame. Glossing over the scene or fading to black can generally accomplish exactly the same thing a more drawn-out scene can, in .01% of the time.
Eh, just FTB all the sex that the characters are doing. It's just one of those background things that happens off the set, like pooping. Or roleplay having an argument with them about how your character is getting bored from all their demands.
If you really like the OOC aspect of roleplaying the mudsex, then exchange emails or something. The two of you can then have hours of OOC fun writing walls of "Talia, the mul maker" pron on AIM :P
I know you're kidding (right?) but it's kinda lame to kill someone for a break up. The game is about harshness, after all, and the character development from that harshness. Breaking up a strong relationship is probably the ultimate harshness you could get. I'd really love to have some kind of PC breakup instead of some lame vNPC one which doesn't quite get my heart in it. And it produces a very intense love/hate rivalry between the two characters. It has the potential to introduce so, so, so much fun. I'm a bit disappointed that all my IC relationships end with the significant other dying to some scrab or something just after they start getting serious.
One of the coolest deaths (back in 2008, when I first started) I've ever had was over a guy. Another lover and I got into it in the apartment, and she had spears against my knives.
Before I died, I was just barely able to send him via the way: "I will not be seeing you again. Know that I loved you."
My dirty breed died face down in that apartment. But before she died, she said, "He'll never love you like he loves me!"
The tribal's reply was, "I do not care." before she plunged her spear into my heart.
I cried after one of my favorite characters was slain. With that said, mudsex is srs business.
I had a PC whose relationship went south. The ex was pretty prominent and in some ways scary, also sometimes an annoying shit. My PC worried constantly that he would kill her new guy.
It was AWESOME.
I mudsex because I want to. I have no problems with fades, either. I fade if it starts to become extremely over-personal or over-graphic, though.
I mostly fade, but I've had some hilarious mudsex encounters. In fact, I'm pretty sure I lol at least once every time.
But, anyway, it's not my focus and in fact, with some characters, I actively pursue the opposite road. I mean, who the fuck wants lover's bleed?
The best mudsex I've ever had was playing a whore. Because some johns think up hilarious things.
Quote from: Potaje on April 25, 2011, 01:57:23 PM
I recall being told by a player that consented at first then faded that they had been playing and their significant other in rl was playing. They would play near each other in the same room. and apparently the other caught a glimpse over the players shoulder an hollered for a fade to black.
Soon I got an email from staff, with a wagging finger.
I don't get it, how did you deserve the wagging finger?
Nothing against mudsex, but I'm with Strange Shadow. A fade, with or without a good fade emote, can accomplish the same stuff in a lot less time. Especially in an ongoing relationship. Especially when I have limited play times. Two hours of exchanged squelching emotes is not so much my thing. Not that anyone ever emotes the squelching, because all of our characters have the perfect sex all of the time and without any of the squicky parts
But sometimes I don't fade, and it's usually for a good reason. For instance, I had one predominantly gay character who was in her first long term relationship with a man, and she would forget the mul mix. The question was always, is he going to remind her? Sometimes he wouldn't. Sometimes he would at exactly the most awkward timing. One time there was a half-naked mad rush through a couple locations in a place, looking for where someone MUST HAVE stashed some mul mix SOMEWHERE. It was hilarious.
Quote from: spicemustflow on April 25, 2011, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: Potaje on April 25, 2011, 01:57:23 PM
I recall being told by a player that consented at first then faded that they had been playing and their significant other in rl was playing. They would play near each other in the same room. and apparently the other caught a glimpse over the players shoulder an hollered for a fade to black.
Soon I got an email from staff, with a wagging finger.
I don't get it, how did you deserve the wagging finger?
It was more of a, watch your self and be mindful of fades. How could they know it was someone else, and if fact I'm not sure of all the details only what I was told by the other player, sometime later when they IM'd about the humor of the whole thing. It really wasn't a big deal.
Sort of related.
A half-giant PC and another (if I remember correctly, one of the two was /very/ well known) started doing explicit stuff in the Gaj several months ago without asking for consent.
I'm no prude, but I really should have filed a player complaint. Too late now and I don't think I was logging at the time, so I can't be sure I remember who it was and all that.
I just left even though it was the middle of the night and ICly I'm not sure if my character would have seen it/payed attention.
I just thought it was sort of rude. (and pretty nasty -- you're not allowed to dog on me for that)
The End!
Heh heh. Sorry about that. Totally my fault. Or was it?
This thread makes me giggle.
Strangely enough. (as long as we're exchanging stories) My favorite mudsexin' was when I was roleplaying a woman. I will leave it at that and make you all wonder. ~mysterious~
I am just full of mystery tonight. Or am I?
Quote from: Feco on April 25, 2011, 08:43:47 PM
Sort of related.
A half-giant PC and another (if I remember correctly, one of the two was /very/ well known) started doing explicit stuff in the Gaj several months ago without asking for consent.
I'm no prude, but I really should have filed a player complaint. Too late now and I don't think I was logging at the time, so I can't be sure I remember who it was and all that.
I just left even though it was the middle of the night and ICly I'm not sure if my character would have seen it/payed attention.
I just thought it was sort of rude. (and pretty nasty -- you're not allowed to dog on me for that)
The End!
I think somebody else complained. I think it was addressed. :P
I ask consent for the littlest things myself. My character wants to flash her boobs? Consent. Sing a dirty song? Consent. I just feel super mean or rude or assuming if I don't.
I do the same as Boog. Even if my character is going to start -saying- terrible things, I ask for consent. About the furthest I toe the line are certain four-letter expletives used in namecalling.
I won't lie. I've gotten pretty bad about asking for consent. I havn't done it since that one time with the people.
OK, fine, if nobody else will, I'll actually post in defense of mudsex.
I'll be the first to admit that there are often many other more interesting things you can be doing, and *unquestionably* more interactive things you can be doing (since you can really only interact with two or three other people when you're mudsexing. .. what? three is viable..), but it can be a great tool for exploring a character's mindset and personalities. People expose a LOT of psychological traits when they're having sex with another person, and the WAY that they have that sex can often be a really clear indicator of things that it's difficult to express otherwise. There are a lot of fascinating, deep-rooted issues that come much more quickly to the fore when you're engaged in sex. I will generally always prefer to NOT fade, as a general rule, the first time my PC has sex with a new partner.
Other things I like about mudsex between characters:
- You can get caught. This is super interesting sometimes.
- You can get killed. If you fade, a lot of the time you'll just fade. When you mudsex, you take your shit off.
- You can *kill the other person*. Could you IMAGINE how frustrating it'd be to bribe a whore to fuck someone so you could sneak in and murder them while they're naked, only to have them fade to black with their armour on and idle? ooc'ing, "could you remove your armour, please," seems rather out of place.
- Hidden magickers can slip things into emotes that are VASTLY more subtle than "ooc The sex was okay, she seemed to be particularly hot temperature wise."
- It has been my extensive experience (shut up) that people become more attached to you and more easily manipulated, and react more realistically to having sex, if you emote it out and don't just fade to black.
- You may learn things about your character you didn't know, just like the first time your character goes hunting, starts crafting, casts a spell, gets drunk, etc.
That all said, it DOES kind of bother me when LEADER PCs engage in
constant mudsex, because it renders them unavailable tor interaction with the people they're supposed to be interacting with. That fucking sucks. For the very same reasons I stated above, I think it's something that is still useful and interesting to play out, but they need to be more cognizant of the fact than others that when they're fucking for a few RL hours, they are likely actively depriving other players who RELY upon them for interaction.
Anyway, my two sids. Even if you disagree with me, at least take a bit of it into consideration and strip down and idle for a bit when you decide to fade.
I always assume I'm MUDsexing a dude, Chetta! It would only bother me if I was pitching tents. I tend to FTB a lot more after I RP it out once with somebody. It's basically just Sex Ed after a point. Most of us have done our fair share of knocking boots.
One time, during MUDsex, I typed mercy. And it said, 'Mercy off.'
After MUDsex another time, I got annoyed because I thought I couldn't log out (like combat), and anticipated, ironically, "You are too excited to leave just yet!"
And like Forrest Gump, That's all I got to say about that!
Quote from: Samoa on April 26, 2011, 02:18:36 AM
OK, fine, if nobody else will, I'll actually post in defense of mudsex.
I'll be the first to admit that there are often many other more interesting things you can be doing, and *unquestionably* more interactive things you can be doing (since you can really only interact with two or three other people when you're mudsexing. .. what? three is viable..), but it can be a great tool for exploring a character's mindset and personalities.
This isn't what people really use it for, though.
Quote from: Is Friday on April 26, 2011, 07:33:46 AM
Quote from: Samoa on April 26, 2011, 02:18:36 AM
OK, fine, if nobody else will, I'll actually post in defense of mudsex.
I'll be the first to admit that there are often many other more interesting things you can be doing, and *unquestionably* more interactive things you can be doing (since you can really only interact with two or three other people when you're mudsexing. .. what? three is viable..), but it can be a great tool for exploring a character's mindset and personalities.
This isn't what people really use it for, though.
It isn't?
Stripping can be difficult and spammy, particularly if it's not intermixed with emotes (if you want to fade). It's weird to not have inventory space for your clothes. But when I play a Tuluki I want to show off my tattoos. All of them. :P Ah the dilemma.
Fades tend to take me as long as the matter should, about. I'm a slow typer, apparently, and find it a bit awkward either way. :D That's a bonus for them though! They take the right amount of time.
Tis interesting either way.
I was thinking of posting an essay here, but I pretty much agree entirely with Samoa.
A few things I would add:
- Mudsex just takes so long sometimes, because sexual acts can be hard to describe tastefully without coming off as a jackass. I would prefer waiting for a long emote than seeing phrases like "hard dick" or "big boobs" in an emote, and I think you would too. Often sex is much easier to do IRL than it is in-game.
- The old "people just mudsex to masturbate" anti-mudsex argument is tired. There is a load of porn just a Google search away. Emotes take longer to type because it's harder to describe it. A true sign of one-handed typing is misspellings. Think about it: how many times will someone with one hand reach for that Backspace key if they hit the wrong letter?
(Edit: coincidentally, to fix a typo.)
- Many people that say they don't mudsex actually do... or, at the least, the few that say they don't mudsex, drown out a huge chunk of players that quietly do. This was proven when mudsex won a "how do you use apartments" poll on the GDB some time ago.
That's all I got to say about that, too. [/second gump]
Quote from: Samoa on April 26, 2011, 02:18:36 AM
- You can *kill the other person*. Could you IMAGINE how frustrating it'd be to bribe a whore to fuck someone so you could sneak in and murder them while they're naked, only to have them fade to black with their armour on and idle? ooc'ing, "could you remove your armour, please," seems rather out of place.
I think people might be more open to this than you might think. Or at least I would. I remember one time when my play time was getting tight and my character was fading a lot on her mate out of necessity, that I OOCed HIM if he ever wanted her to take her armor off to just let me know.
That said, I don't think that you're wrong or off base, and I am certainly not anti-mudsex. I actually thought I was kind of defending mudsex in the appropriate context myself :P Sometimes I don't fade, and it's with good reason. But when you are down to playing every other day for about an hour or two hours, you realize that the time it takes to go into the whole thing is going to be ALL of your playing time, and even then you might have to log out in the middle. So time constraints can be a real issue.
But personally, in terms of what I learn about my characters, that's more built into the seduction, the dirty talk, the strip tease, the context, whatever. I don't know what more I could learn or they would show during the actual sexual act, except the sexual-act related stuff, and that can easily be accomplished with a fade emote (if consented to).
Quote from: Cutthroat on April 26, 2011, 08:19:51 AM
- Mudsex just takes so long sometimes, because sexual acts can be hard to describe tastefully without coming off as a jackass. I would prefer waiting for a long emote than seeing phrases like "hard dick" or "big boobs" in an emote, and I think you would too. Often sex is much easier to do IRL than it is in-game.
- The old "people just mudsex to masturbate" anti-mudsex argument is tired. There is a load of porn just a Google search away. Emotes take longer to type because it's harder to describe it. A true sign of one-handed typing is misspellings. Think about it: how many times will someone with one hand reach for that Backspace key if they hit the wrong letter?
QFT. And a load of literotica if you're into that instead.
Quote from: valeria on April 26, 2011, 10:17:29 AM
Quote from: Samoa on April 26, 2011, 02:18:36 AM
- You can *kill the other person*. Could you IMAGINE how frustrating it'd be to bribe a whore to fuck someone so you could sneak in and murder them while they're naked, only to have them fade to black with their armour on and idle? ooc'ing, "could you remove your armour, please," seems rather out of place.
I think people might be more open to this than you might think. Or at least I would. I remember one time when my play time was getting tight and my character was fading a lot on her mate out of necessity, that I OOCed HIM if he ever wanted her to take her armor off to just let me know.
I used to do that too. I see any mudsex as potentially dangerous as following someone out into the middle of the desert, so removing armor is all a part of the roleplay. I even offer to sleep naked for them if it fits the situation. Been backstabbed sleeping naked with one char, it's not as fatal as you'd think.
Also, I've always wanted a serious RPG with a nude fighting scene. It sounds pretty epic to have a naked chick trying to backstab my gruff warrior, while he fumbles about for his sword and shield. A lot of fun with the bash/disarm emotes there too :) And if you do manage to kill/mortally wound them, all the blood covered damaged furniture would be fun to arrange.
I mean, it would be a little offputting to OOC for a fade and then see something like "Someone says OOCly: "Hey, could you take off your armor there?" " But I think a lot of people would just roll with it.
emote takes off the codpiece
Nothin' wrong with the responsible (i.e. fully consented to) depiction of sexuality. Zalanthans live in a rough world with a set of morals generally alien to our own. What's more, many of them are pansexual, further expanding the options. I would personally see it as something done as much for recreation as procreation, given the difficult circumstances under which most people live.
Sexual role-play can be a healthy aspect of a character, even if you do not fade. Some of my most successful PCs have been prostitutes, and they had the benefit of interacting with society on all levels and knowing a great many people. There was, to an extent, a certain kind of power about it. That was a lot of fun. I even received a karma point while playing such a PC.
Also, to answer the earlier question, my experience is that the in-game bias against MUDsex is much lower than what's claimed on the message boards. Most PCs did not choose to fade when consent was requested.
Quote from: Akoto on April 26, 2011, 02:03:13 PM
Nothin' wrong with the responsible (i.e. fully consented to) depiction of sexuality. Zalanthans live in a rough world, except with sexual mores that are strikingly similar to secular Western norms.
ftfy
Hmmm, I feel like an ass...kinda...not really....I don't ask for consent ALOT on bar scenes for swearing or talking sexually. Anytime something or someone gets naked though...I ask....just not for a bar scene or any other kind of party scene....Fale Orgies being the only exception...oh, and Sun Runner parties........and Magicker parties......and um, wild were-animal orgies.
P.S: Should I have asked consent before posting this? ;)
I don't think we need to ask consent for swearing or dirty talk, unless it's pornographically explicit or something.
I mean, generally, I consider ArmageddonMUD to be an R-rated game.
Quote from: a strange shadow on April 26, 2011, 05:18:24 PM
I mean, generally, I consider ArmageddonMUD to be an R-rated game.
Apparently, there are children who play this game. Which rocks my mind. If you're not 18, you should have a flag somewhere. I mean, I know it would be jarring, but reasonably, an adult should be made aware of when they're interacting with a child. Anyone under 18 in the United States is a child (juvenile, whatever, you're still a child in my eyes), by way of the law.
It's my only problem with MUDsex.
Quote from: Kismetic on April 26, 2011, 06:13:18 PM
Apparently, there are children who play this game. Which rocks my mind. If you're not 18, you should have a flag somewhere. I mean, I know it would be jarring, but reasonably, an adult should be made aware of when they're interacting with a child. Anyone under 18 in the United States is a child (juvenile, whatever, you're still a child in my eyes), by way of the law.
It's my only problem with MUDsex.
They are words on a screen. Who cares? I'd imagine that most people that MUDsex have less actual sex, so that technically its safer to have your teenager MUDsexing than not. And, lets be realistic, if a kid is playing ANY mud they potentially have worse problems than that they figured out how to emote getting laid, i.e. failure in school b/c too busy mudding.
And if what happens on a MUD affects your way of thinking in real life, outside of becoming less productive which is unfortunately very common but pbviously not the concern of everybody here apparently, then maybe you/that kid should learn to crawl out of your crib a little more often. Man up.
Quote from: Ktavialt on April 26, 2011, 06:34:35 PM
And if what happens on a MUD affects your way of thinking in real life, outside of becoming less productive which is unfortunately very common but pbviously not the concern of everybody here apparently, then maybe you/that kid should learn to crawl out of your crib a little more often.
I would not, in real life, strike up a sexually charged conversation with a teenage boy/girl, nor would I think it appropriate to act out or illustrate such a thing. Was I having sex at 16? Yes. Was I exposed to sexual content in books and movies? Yup. My mother let me govern myself and my siblings, for the most part, because she knew I could handle it. But that was her right, as a parent.
Quote from: Ktavialt on April 26, 2011, 06:34:35 PM
Man up.
Ssh. Grown-ups are talking.
IMO, Armageddon is a Rated-R game. Anything that goes beyond what you would see in a Rated-R movie requires consent.
Quote from: Ktavialt on April 26, 2011, 06:34:35 PM
Quote from: Kismetic on April 26, 2011, 06:13:18 PM
Apparently, there are children who play this game. Which rocks my mind. If you're not 18, you should have a flag somewhere. I mean, I know it would be jarring, but reasonably, an adult should be made aware of when they're interacting with a child. Anyone under 18 in the United States is a child (juvenile, whatever, you're still a child in my eyes), by way of the law.
It's my only problem with MUDsex.
They are words on a screen. Who cares? I'd imagine that most people that MUDsex have less actual sex, so that technically its safer to have your teenager MUDsexing than not.
Interestingly, if you factored in every single other player of this game versus me, you would still be wrong in this.
We cannot argue about the consent rule -- the consent rule is the consent rule, and it is going *nowhere*. We *do* have underage players here, and it puts the legality of the game and its staff members at risk when they engage in certain activities. Do they probably still do so? Yes, but at least there was an attempt made.
Our game involves sex, drugs, cold-blooded murder, violent rape, and lots of other horrors. It is undoubtedly a rated-R game, but consent still needs to be asked. That's the law from on high.
We really don't have to hear about your sex lives, do we? I'm pretty sure the fair majority of players have them, since they are presumably human.
Problem with consent, as it stands:
A minor's consent is worth how much, really? All I'm pointing out is that it's worth thinking about. Ktivakakattwhatever's response isn't even funny as a joke. You can argue about parenting, or how innocuous words are (they are not), and whatever else will shed culpability from potential actions ... I feel like I just beat a hornet's nest with a stick, though.
Quote from: Kismetic on April 26, 2011, 07:17:49 PM
We really don't have to hear about your sex lives, do we? I'm pretty sure the fair majority of players have them, since they are presumably human.
Problem with consent, as it stands:
A minor's consent is worth how much, really? All I'm pointing out is that it's worth thinking about. Ktivakakattwhatever's response isn't even funny as a joke. You can argue about parenting, or how innocuous words are (they are not), and whatever else will shed culpability from potential actions ... I feel like I just beat a hornet's nest with a stick, though.
Well, there's two issues. There's asking for consent for every R-rated interaction because there might be minors, and there's asking for consent for the things you ask consent for, which is namely rape, sexual torture, or sex. As the helpfile says, "graphic situations." This has nothing to do with the age of the player.
Asking for consent before every R-rated situation seems a bit excessive and overzealous, however, if not even a bit disruptive to the game. When minors play this game, that's ostensibly their or their parents' choice and job to police that and what they might be exposed to by it, not yours.
Quote from: Samoa on April 26, 2011, 07:27:56 PM
When minors play this game, that's ostensibly their or their parents' choice and job to police that and what they might be exposed to by it, not yours.
I was waiting for that tired line. I even prefaced its' futile use. This is also about being responsible for one's own actions.
"Oh, I didn't know" is not an acceptable excuse. "Oh, I didn't care" is not even excusable.
I'm going to shut up, though. All I've heard is that I'm wrong for thinking so, and that disturbs me a little.
I don't know that you're wrong. I think it's complicated.
I think we play Arm because we like our game, which is not a sex mud, but where things are edgy, and dark. Where there is brutality and also expressions of things less brutal but just as grown up. I'm not talking about the things which require consent, but the things that walk that line, and almost require consent.
On the other hand, I certainly do not want to corrupt anyone's children. However, if I wanted to play a game that was pg 13 I wouldn't be playing Arm.
How do you protect the hypothetical children and still maintain the game world?
The tall, muscular man says, out-of-character:
"Consent for sexual roleplay?"
The tressy-tressed maiden says, out-of-character:
"hold on i have to ask my mom"
The tressy-tressed maiden says, out-of-character:
"she said no :("
There's nothing wrong with abstaining from mudsex (or since we're on the subject of consent, torture, etc) because the person on the other end might be a minor. No one that does this needs to "crawl out of a crib". That is what they're comfortable with.
There's also nothing wrong with assuming that the person on the other end is mature enough to handle a scene they just consented to. There's no need to be disturbed by a person willing to assume such.
Quote from: Barzalene on April 26, 2011, 07:45:42 PM
How do you protect the hypothetical children and still maintain the game world?
Trust each other that we will make our decisions regarding consent based on what we're comfortable with. (Which we already do.) :)
Quote from: Kismetic on April 26, 2011, 07:39:47 PM
Quote from: Samoa on April 26, 2011, 07:27:56 PM
When minors play this game, that's ostensibly their or their parents' choice and job to police that and what they might be exposed to by it, not yours.
I was waiting for that tired line. I even prefaced its' futile use. This is also about being responsible for one's own actions.
"Oh, I didn't know" is not an acceptable excuse. "Oh, I didn't care" is not even excusable.
I'm going to shut up, though. All I've heard is that I'm wrong for thinking so, and that disturbs me a little.
I didn't say you were wrong. I said that I'm unwilling to compromise the integrity of the game in order to parent someone else's children. Even then, I don't know where you live in the United States, but 25% of kids have reported having sex by the age of 16, which means it's getting TALKED about far, FAR earlier. I wouldn't really worry about 'corrupting' them. If this concerns you so much, *don't engage in it*, but don't try to police other people engaging in it.
Quote from: Barzalene on April 26, 2011, 07:45:42 PM
On the other hand, I certainly do not want to corrupt anyone's children. However, if I wanted to play a game that was pg 13 I wouldn't be playing Arm.
Ultimately, what I was trying to express.
If you don't want to run the risk of mudsexing with a minor... don't mudsex. It is really the only way to be sure, and there is no other way around it. It is not the staff's responsibility to figure out which players are under age. And all of that is self-reporting anyway. When I was a minor I frequently told websites I was above the age of 18 ::).
I personally wouldn't let my kids play Armageddon. Maybe not even my wife. It's a bad game, with brutal torture, tons of blood, rape, poop, extreme discrimination. Mudsex is probably the least of my worries. The main problem is that it's possibly illegal. I find it to be a really weird thing to be worried about, because I used to find some far worse things when I was 12. Eventually, I just learned to lie and say I was 18, because that was what they wanted to hear.
I suppose the best you can do is ask if they're over 18 when you ask for consent, get a dishonest response if they really are under 18, and roll with it. It's still a roleplaying game, and as far as I'm concerned, my 30 year old half-elf is having sex with that 14 year old elf, not the 17 year old human playing the elf.
Quote from: Kismetic on April 26, 2011, 07:39:47 PM
I was waiting for that tired line. I even prefaced its' futile use. This is also about being responsible for one's own actions.
"Oh, I didn't know" is not an acceptable excuse. "Oh, I didn't care" is not even excusable.
I'm going to shut up, though. All I've heard is that I'm wrong for thinking so, and that disturbs me a little.
I love how we want to play in a world filled with its own brand of racism since it adds a certain flavor to the difficulties, but then lets shield our children's eyes to its concepts. Its like the radio playing rap songs with curse words bleeped out. Do you really think your kid doesn't know how to finish this sentence "... I blast 'em with my GAT while I duck, all the time never giving a [BLEEP]"?
If we are really concerned that a fantasy internet text game (as neato as it is) is going to corrupt our society's children we really need to re-think the viability of the human race as a whole.
Quote from: Ktavialt on April 26, 2011, 08:20:13 PM
If we are really concerned that a fantasy internet text game (as neato as it is) is going to corrupt our society's children we really need to re-think the viability of the human race as a whole.
It's a legal issue, this whole conversation is getting nowhere.
Quote from: SMuz on April 26, 2011, 08:09:39 PM
It's still a roleplaying game, and as far as I'm concerned, my 30 year old half-elf is having sex with that 14 year old elf, not the 17 year old human playing the elf.
I know this, SMuz. It's not like I thought Chris Hansen was going to bust through my door asking why I wanted to "kank a 17-year old." 8)
Quote from: SMuz on April 26, 2011, 08:09:39 PM
I personally wouldn't let my kids play Armageddon. Maybe not even my wife. It's a bad game, with brutal torture, tons of blood, rape, poop, extreme discrimination. Mudsex is probably the least of my worries. The main problem is that it's possibly illegal. I find it to be a really weird thing to be worried about, because I used to find some far worse things when I was 12. Eventually, I just learned to lie and say I was 18, because that was what they wanted to hear.
I suppose the best you can do is ask if they're over 18 when you ask for consent, get a dishonest response if they really are under 18, and roll with it. It's still a roleplaying game, and as far as I'm concerned, my 30 year old half-elf is having sex with that 14 year old elf, not the 17 year old human playing the elf.
POOP! BAHAHA....eh ;D
This discussion has been severly set off course...I like it.
I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to textually depict sexual things to someone who says they want things depicted, even if they are a minor.
If they can prove in the courts that it is pornographic - which they can - then it is.
Quote from: MeTekillot on April 26, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to textually depict sexual things to someone who says they want things depicted, even if they are a minor.
It is.
Deeerrrraaaaaiiilllll.
Quote from: Samoa on April 26, 2011, 09:29:23 PM
Quote from: MeTekillot on April 26, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to textually depict sexual things to someone who says they want things depicted, even if they are a minor.
It is.
I
think it may be illegal to transmit sexual messages to a minor, and I'm not even sure if "consent" or them giving a false age would exonerate you. I doubt, however, anyone would be charged with something based on some text exchanged over some game.
I'm not a lawyer nor am I particular familiar with laws dealing with the topic. So. Grain of salt.
Paging Valeria. Bzz. Bzz. Paging Valeria.
Quote from: MeTekillot on April 26, 2011, 09:22:48 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to textually depict sexual things to someone who says they want things depicted, even if they are a minor.
Welp. You're wrong though. Sorry?
I have a better question: as long as it's not hurting your roleplay experience in some way, and it's not harming the game, then what's with you all and judging what other people enjoy?
If two people want to meet up behind closed doors and do all manner of filthy, horrible, terrible things together - so long as it's not two people who have no IC reason to be together - what harm is it doing to you?
Enjoy your roleplay and stop worrying about other peoples'. The game gets a lot more fun.
(http://www.made2mentor.com/Images/bobs.jpg)
Quote from: Wasteland Raider on April 26, 2011, 11:17:01 PM
I have a better question: as long as it's not hurting your roleplay experience in some way, and it's not harming the game, then what's with you all and judging what other people enjoy?
If two people want to meet up behind closed doors and do all manner of filthy, horrible, terrible things together - so long as it's not two people who have no IC reason to be together - what harm is it doing to you?
Enjoy your roleplay and stop worrying about other peoples'. The game gets a lot more fun.
This post makes me wish my sig allowance was bigger.
Sig allowance is also too small for Mekillot's tressy-tressed maiden snippet. :/
Would I be required to ask for consent each time I moved a room if I made the greased up deaf guy from Family Guy?
Meh, just FTB then. No chance of the Moral Guardian Squad taking offense with that... and leaves more time for finding out new cooking recipes too.
I never said anything that wasn't in the faith of alerting people to a potential gross social and moral error. I never said I want to police your roleplay. I question your ability to think (and read) clearly.
Edited to remove personal bias.
I sincerely hope no one's going to sue all the sites I lied about my age to when I was younger. :D
Quote from: a strange shadow on April 26, 2011, 10:56:51 PM
Paging Valeria. Bzz. Bzz. Paging Valeria.
I thought about maybe posting something (because I just very recently did a child pornography problem and a lot of stuff is fresh in my mind), but then I realized since it might apply to someone's specific situation around here, so it would be too close to giving legal advice for me to be able to comment.
But it does amuse me that we're way more concerned with the sexual content near-adults might see, and way less worried about the violent content. It
always does.
Quote from: valeria on April 27, 2011, 10:17:35 AM
Quote from: a strange shadow on April 26, 2011, 10:56:51 PM
Paging Valeria. Bzz. Bzz. Paging Valeria.
I thought about maybe posting something (because I just very recently did a child pornography problem and a lot of stuff is fresh in my mind), but then I realized since it might apply to someone's specific situation around here, so it would be too close to giving legal advice for me to be able to comment.
But it does amuse me that we're way more concerned with the sexual content near-adults might see, and way less worried about the violent content. It always does.
Indeed. We agree on a lot of things, Val. We should hook up IRL instead of mudsexin' our half-elves all the time! I'm 18+, by the way... AROUND.
Anyway, mudsex... used to do it a lot, but now it's too time consuming (when I'm actually playing, that is). Nowadays, I typically do it for a first encounter, or when I want to make sure there's a chance of getting caught going at it. Or especially if it will actually have some sort of character development involved. My PCs that just want to bang one out are going to lean heavily towards the FTB, but I usually put up both options for the other player(s) if I know I have time. As time has worn on, I've become less and less willing to play ApartmentMUD, which is what seems to happen when you never FTB. It can be fun (and in some cases, funny) though, and I certainly don't fault anyone for doing it, just as I don't fault them for being murderous, lying bastards. It's just another one of those dimensions that can make a character feel more full and real.
Oh, a practice I really like for when my characters are in a "serious" regular relationship is to just do a quick OOC with the other player to see if it's acceptable to assume that a lot of the day-to-day, relationship-maintaining boning happens off screen. This is especially useful for when I have a PC that actually needs to Get Shit Done. :)
Quote from: valeria on April 27, 2011, 10:17:35 AM
But it does amuse me that we're way more concerned with the sexual content near-adults might see, and way less worried about the violent content. It always does.
This always has me scratching my head, each time these tpics crop up.
And i'm sorry, i'm not going ask for consent each time my character says "fuck", or send in a player complaint because someone emoted staring at my character's boobies without asking OOC first!
If you're likely to get offended by things not covered in the consent rule, you have to ask yourself what you're doing playing a game that clearly states it's adult, violent, and where sexual promiscuity is the norm.
Edit for better clarity.
Quote from: Zoltan on April 27, 2011, 10:31:41 AMOh, a practice I really like for when my characters are in a "serious" regular relationship is to just do a quick OOC with the other player to see if it's acceptable to assume that a lot of the day-to-day, relationship-maintaining boning happens off screen. This is especially useful for when I have a PC that actually needs to Get Shit Done.
A thousand times this.
I'd like to add the situation I posted about earlier clearly violated rules of consent.
I think the rules in place work nicely and I doubt anyone is asking to expand them, or for you to ask consent for things not covered by the rules.
I really, really want to kank this one person Ig and they want the same thing. I'm quakerish so I feel weird about it, even though there's still no way i'm saying yes.
Let's kill this thread and make one about the positive, nonlegal aspects of mudsex please.
Why not just 'derail' this topic? It's not like there was a whole lot of topic to derail in the OP ;)
Quote from: Cindy42 on April 27, 2011, 05:44:34 PM
Let's kill this thread and make one about the positive, nonlegal aspects of mudsex please.
Just keep it to this thread. My massive derail is over.
Massive derail. Snicker, snicker.
</derail>
I don't do it, personally.
I do think relationships are interesting part of the gameworld, that said, I tend to stay out of those, too.
I don't have a problem with people doing it, but I think if that's their goal with the game, its not great. Sometimes you can just tell the PCs who are here for sex.
Are we speaking about mudsex still.. well if there was anyone that knows about sex and murder its....
(http://cdn-8.nflximg.com/en_US/boxshots/large/458028.jpg)
But I like to say "No", know the no.. just call me "Dr. No"
Quote from: Potaje on April 27, 2011, 08:25:47 PM
Are we speaking about mudsex still.. well if there was anyone that knows about sex and murder its....
(http://cdn-8.nflximg.com/en_US/boxshots/large/458028.jpg)
But I like to say "No", know the no.. just call me "Dr. No"
Someone needs to create a James Bond character. Perhaps a lesbian one. Assassin/thug, or whatever, hired to make mantis heads appear on computer screens. Mudsexes like crazy, without singular commitment, and carries a couple of neat gadgets around, and uses a fake name.
Damn. I can get mudsex done in less than 10 minutes. WTF are you people doing?!?!
Ah, so you've been playing in Allanak.
Quote from: Ocotillo on April 28, 2011, 08:53:54 PM
Ah, so you've been playing in Allanak.
It helps when you don't have to worry about being so subtle doing it. :D
couldn't help it
I've done 10 minutes in Tuluk. Swear it. ;)
Quote from: boog on April 28, 2011, 09:04:41 PM
I've done 10 minutes in Tuluk. Swear it. ;)
Yes you did.
Quote from: Cindy42 on April 28, 2011, 06:07:16 PM
Someone needs to create a James Bond character. Perhaps a lesbian one. Assassin/thug, or whatever, hired to make mantis heads appear on computer screens. Mudsexes like crazy, without singular commitment, and carries a couple of neat gadgets around, and uses a fake name.
Eh, it's been done a lot. My sneaky types are often 'thug', 'rebel/raider', 'hobo', 'assassin geisha/james bond'.
Quote from: Booya on April 27, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: valeria on April 27, 2011, 10:17:35 AM
But it does amuse me that we're way more concerned with the sexual content near-adults might see, and way less worried about the violent content. It always does.
This always has me scratching my head, each time these tpics crop up.
And i'm sorry, i'm not going ask for consent each time my character says "fuck", or send in a player complaint because someone emoted staring at my character's boobies without asking OOC first!
If you're likely to get offended by things not covered in the consent rule, you have to ask yourself what you're doing playing a game that clearly states it's adult, violent, and where sexual promiscuity is the norm.
Edit for better clarity.
This + most the players are american (not trying to pick a fight or derail but certain things are more sensitive there than in other places - and vice versa). I've great ftb's and am not too prude or pretentious to say I've had a handful of scenes where we didn't ftb totally driven by character and RP.
Frankly I think ppl make way too much a big deal in this. It it works for you and your character (and have the time), then do it. If not, don't. They're consent rules and we know how that works. It's as simple as that.
Yo, guys: I respect you all, and I'mma let you finish, but MeTekillot has the greatest mudsex log of all time. OF ALL TIME!
Quote from: Saellyn on May 14, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
Yo, guys: I respect you all, and I'mma let you finish, but MeTekillot has the greatest mudsex log of all time. OF ALL TIME!
I dunno. I used the word 'spiderwebbing' once. That was pretty good.
I started playing this game when I was fourteen years old, but that's cool because in Ontario, Canada the age of consent is fourteen - so no harm done!
Quote from: Shepard on May 14, 2011, 11:30:41 PM
I started playing this game when I was fourteen years old, but that's cool because in Ontario, Canada the age of consent is fourteen - so no harm done!
<.< And in the U.S., I still get in trouble for it with you.
Let's not get back to that issue, please.
Quote from: BleakOne on May 15, 2011, 05:06:23 AM
Let's not get back to that issue, please.
*starts to reach for his soapbox, and then sighs, shaking his head*
Quote from: Samoa on May 14, 2011, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: Saellyn on May 14, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
Yo, guys: I respect you all, and I'mma let you finish, but MeTekillot has the greatest mudsex log of all time. OF ALL TIME!
I dunno. I used the word 'spiderwebbing' once. That was pretty good.
I make use of the words 'lewd claps', 'gangly', 'missing', 'abrupt' and 'flushing' a lot.
I'm so disturbed.
face flushing with embarassment, rather
I thought mudsex was the entire reason we have as sophisticated an emoting system as we do.
Quote from: MeTekillot on May 15, 2011, 09:22:33 PM
Quote from: Samoa on May 14, 2011, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: Saellyn on May 14, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
Yo, guys: I respect you all, and I'mma let you finish, but MeTekillot has the greatest mudsex log of all time. OF ALL TIME!
I dunno. I used the word 'spiderwebbing' once. That was pretty good.
I make use of the words 'lewd claps', 'gangly', 'missing', 'abrupt' and 'flushing' a lot.
.... Aaaawkwaaaaaaard.
Quote from: musashi on May 16, 2011, 06:56:32 AM
I thought mudsex was the entire reason we have as sophisticated an emoting system as we do.
This idea of =mushashi is disturbingly possible.
Musashi is a bluff. He fades. ;)
That reminds me, I've been wanting to submit that Musashi roleplay log...
8)
Mudsex is a great way to learn all of the ~ ! + ^ madness and keep it straight, because you never want the other person to think you're taking suspiciously long.
MUDsex is like real life, where you fuck your way to the top, until you're the meat in a Tek and Mek sandwich ...
Quote from: Ocotillo on May 16, 2011, 11:58:33 AM
Mudsex is a great way to learn all of the ~ ! + ^ madness and keep it straight, because you never want the other person to think you're taking suspiciously long.
Man... I've been playing almost 10 years and I still screw up the ~ ! + ^ commands sometimes.
i regularly use ^, +, =, !, and # in emotes. and i owe it all to mudsex
Speaking of which I haven't seen a pc whore to mudsex with in a while.
Quote from: NOFUN on May 16, 2011, 04:31:24 PM
Speaking of which I haven't seen a pc whore to mudsex with in a while.
> l in closet
In a small bone-shelved closet (here):
the head of the lithe, graceful woman
the head of the svelte, raven-tressed woman
the head of the slender, well-groomed man
the head of the buxom, kohl-eyed elf
the head of the curvaceous, coffee-hued woman
the head of the plump, thick-lipped dwarf
the head of a long-legged, dusky-furred gortok
Quote from: NOFUN on May 16, 2011, 04:31:24 PM
Speaking of which I haven't seen a pc whore to mudsex with in a while.
I think this is probably because sex without intrigue is just creepy in context (no matter how realistic to the gameworld). Not saying it's not doable, though.
Quote from: Synthesis on May 16, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
> l in closet
In a small bone-shelved closet (here):
the head of the lithe, graceful woman
the head of the svelte, raven-tressed woman
the head of the slender, well-groomed man
the head of the buxom, kohl-eyed elf
the head of the curvaceous, coffee-hued woman
the head of the plump, thick-lipped dwarf
the head of a long-legged, dusky-furred gortok
Oh, dizzamn!
Wait--you mean you DON'T have a collection of heads? :(
Quote from: Nyr on May 16, 2011, 04:52:23 PM
Wait--you mean you DON'T have a collection of heads? :(
:'(
Quote from: Synthesis on May 16, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
> l in closet
...(heads heads heads)...
the head of the curvaceous, coffee-hued woman
the head of the plump, thick-lipped dwarf
the head of a long-legged, dusky-furred gortok
My favorite. :D
Quote from: musashi on May 16, 2011, 06:56:32 AM
I thought mudsex was the entire reason we have as sophisticated an emoting system as we do.
Are you speaking as a member of the mudsex contingent? I have heard that many mudsexors (roleplayers that enjoy roleplaying out sexual encounters) consider arm's emote system superior, and that has attracted many players to the game, at least in the past.
Quote from: Samoa on May 14, 2011, 11:21:43 PM
Quote from: Saellyn on May 14, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
Yo, guys: I respect you all, and I'mma let you finish, but MeTekillot has the greatest mudsex log of all time. OF ALL TIME!
I dunno. I used the word 'spiderwebbing' once. That was pretty good.
Umm... thumbs up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU&feature=fvwrel
Quote from: Kismetic on May 16, 2011, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: NOFUN on May 16, 2011, 04:31:24 PM
Speaking of which I haven't seen a pc whore to mudsex with in a while.
I think this is probably because sex without intrigue is just creepy in context (no matter how realistic to the gameworld). Not saying it's not doable, though.
Quote from: Synthesis on May 16, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
> l in closet
In a small bone-shelved closet (here):
the head of the lithe, graceful woman
the head of the svelte, raven-tressed woman
the head of the slender, well-groomed man
the head of the buxom, kohl-eyed elf
the head of the curvaceous, coffee-hued woman
the head of the plump, thick-lipped dwarf
the head of a long-legged, dusky-furred gortok
Oh, dizzamn!
the head of the curvaceous, coffee-hued woman ...wasn't she one of the Salarri a few years ago?
Think my better poses come out during mudsex. *shrug*
Know what I wish I could FTB on? Foraging! Yeah! That shit is time consuming and boring as hell.
I'm weird; I like foraging. I find it fun. It's why scavengers are the subguild I play the most.
Quote from: Zoan on August 02, 2011, 10:37:13 AM
I'm weird; I like foraging. I find it fun. It's why scavengers are the subguild I play the most.
I play them the most for climb.