Conditionally populated rooms - Discussion

[Shiroi Tsuki]

I naively hope this will lead to more muggings rather than more corpses, but I'm going to go ahead and sincerely doubt it.

[musashi]

Great code change! I just do hope that NPC whole murder is kept to a minimum ...

Rocking my socks Morg. Rocking my socks!

[brytta.leofa]

Playing a criminal -and- a militia member just got a lot more exciting.

Naw; that's always been pretty exciting.

[solera]

street brawls

[Zoan]

Playing a criminal -and- a militia member at the same time just got a lot more exciting.  Awesome.

Fixed.

[Zharal]

I am so relived that this situation has finally been addressed.  I've been playing since 98 and the
one placement in the game that drove me nuts was the crime flags for populated areas.  It always
seemed to make it damn near imposible to be a criminal starting out and even as a long lived character
it was always a high risk that would land you dead or in the hands of the templarete.  I've played my
share of sneaks and thieves and most have died due to crim flagging for a situation that could or could
not have been witnessed.  Finnally a little more reality..  And last but least now I can do some things I've
always wanted to mess around with..  Watch your back folks.... 

[Riev]

I just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. If the time is Late at Night or Before Dawn, there is no coded virtual population to see you commit the crime.... so..

If there is an NPC in some lone alleyway or something, and I throw a dart at his nut sack, or attempt to cut off his 'sid purse, unless there is a solider in the room with me, or with the target, its pretty much a free-for-all? What if there is more than one NPC in the room?

[Clearsighted]

This is probably one of, if not, the best change I've ever seen. I always felt Armageddon was far too efficient a police state before this. Almost like the Minority Report, except they knew you were guilty a split second after instead of before.

[jcljules]

I love this code change. 

[Nez]

The rooms with gate guards should be an exception to this rule in my opinion. Meaning, that the entrance to compounds and such similar like should always be considered populated.

[Yokunama]

I likes.

[Morgenes]

The rooms with gate guards should be an exception to this rule in my opinion. Meaning, that the entrance to compounds and such similar like should always be considered populated.

If there is a soldier there, they will be reported.

[brytta.leofa]

The rooms with gate guards should be an exception to this rule in my opinion. Meaning, that the entrance to compounds and such similar like should always be considered populated.

If there is a soldier there, they will be reported.

But clan guards don't currently count, right?

[Morgenes]

The rooms with gate guards should be an exception to this rule in my opinion. Meaning, that the entrance to compounds and such similar like should always be considered populated.

If there is a soldier there, they will be reported.

But clan guards don't currently count, right?

No

[Nez]

The rooms with gate guards should be an exception to this rule in my opinion. Meaning, that the entrance to compounds and such similar like should always be considered populated.

If there is a soldier there, they will be reported.

But clan guards don't currently count, right?

No

Could they count? Please? Pretty please? Pretty please with a Kalan on top?  Compound guards are already not so difficult to take out, and now it's possible to do it with even less risk. Once you figure out the militia patrol schedule. Nyr made all the right arguments in the 'ask the staff' thread about it.

[jcljules]

The rooms with gate guards should be an exception to this rule in my opinion. Meaning, that the entrance to compounds and such similar like should always be considered populated.

If there is a soldier there, they will be reported.

But clan guards don't currently count, right?

No

Could they count? Please? Pretty please? Pretty please with a Kalan on top?  Compound guards are already not so difficult to take out, and now it's possible to do it with even less risk. Once you figure out the militia patrol schedule. Nyr made all the right arguments in the 'ask the staff' thread about it.

I agree with this.

[Clearsighted]

The rooms with gate guards should be an exception to this rule in my opinion. Meaning, that the entrance to compounds and such similar like should always be considered populated.

If there is a soldier there, they will be reported.

But clan guards don't currently count, right?

No

Could they count? Please? Pretty please? Pretty please with a Kalan on top?  Compound guards are already not so difficult to take out, and now it's possible to do it with even less risk. Once you figure out the militia patrol schedule. Nyr made all the right arguments in the 'ask the staff' thread about it.

I agree, owing to the nature of compound security. Right now it's just too easy to cave in a guy's skull and grab his key, because he's standing out there all by his lonesome.

[UnderSeven]

I agree about compound security.  The fact that npcs are stupid means we need to have code make some considerations for them.   A compound npc guard isn't gong to stand there while they are attacked.  They're going to make a scene.  Crim code should count with them to reflect this.

[a strange shadow]

I agree about compound security.  The fact that npcs are stupid means we need to have code make some considerations for them.   A compound npc guard isn't gong to stand there while they are attacked.  They're going to make a scene.  Crim code should count with them to reflect this.

This.

[KIA]

I'm largely in favor of pure anarchy and murder sprees, but I kind of get the sense that this compound-guard idea is warranted.

The other route to take is to put more than just one guard out in front of the compounds so they have a fighting chance. That would be an IC reflection of the fact that nights are getting rougher the known world over.

Even without the wanted flags, there'd be IC hell to pay in the long run for anyone taking attacking a merchant house like that in the city. But that may not stop the twinkiewinks.

KIA

[Reiloth]

I'm largely in favor of pure anarchy and murder sprees, but I kind of get the sense that this compound-guard idea is warranted.

The other route to take is to put more than just one guard out in front of the compounds so they have a fighting chance. That would be an IC reflection of the fact that nights are getting rougher the known world over.

Even without the wanted flags, there'd be IC hell to pay in the long run for anyone taking attacking a merchant house like that in the city. But that may not stop the twinkiewinks.

KIA

I'd prefer this.

If a group of organized criminals decide they want to break into the Salarri compound, part of their plan will be hitting those gate guards with heramide darts. If they succeed, no one will make a peep. If they don't, the NPC's should probably be coded to yell their fucking heads off, and alert the rest of the compound.

I'm in support of making compound gate guards more badass, than making them reliant on the all-seeing, all-knowing crim code.

It isn't realistic to see:

>throw dagger guard
You toss a dagger, but miss like a frickin' newb!
You are now wanted in your entire city state by every single soldier known to mankind within five miliseconds, even though its night-time, the guard didn't get a good look, and you were wearing a mask and a hood.

You think:
"Shit."

[brytta.leofa]

>throw dagger guard
You toss a dagger, but miss like a frickin' newb!

Neither insane gate-guard skills no city-wide crime code, but rather:

A green-eyed gate guard shouts, gutturally, in sirihish,
  "GUARDS! T' th' gate!"
A green-eyed gate guard unslings a tower shield from her back and ducks behind it.
The rugged, muscular half-giant opens a bone-braced agafari gate from the other side.
Five burly dwarven hunters and a pajama-clad half-elf arrive from the north, looking collectively enraged.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
The rugged, muscular half-giant closes a bone-braced agafari gate from the other side.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
A pajama-clad half-elf intently scans the area.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
> think New plan!; run

[FantasyWriter]

Five burly dwarven hunters and a pajama-clad half-elf arrive from the north, looking collectively enraged.

A pajama-clad half-elf intently scans the area.

Still laughing.

[Reiloth]

>throw dagger guard
You toss a dagger, but miss like a frickin' newb!

Neither insane gate-guard skills no city-wide crime code, but rather:

A green-eyed gate guard shouts, gutturally, in sirihish,
  "GUARDS! T' th' gate!"
A green-eyed gate guard unslings a tower shield from her back and ducks behind it.
The rugged, muscular half-giant opens a bone-braced agafari gate from the other side.
Five burly dwarven hunters and a pajama-clad half-elf arrive from the north, looking collectively enraged.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
The rugged, muscular half-giant closes a bone-braced agafari gate from the other side.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
A pajama-clad half-elf intently scans the area.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
A burly dwarven hunter intently scans the area.
> think New plan!; run

I'm largely in favor of this.

[Qzzrbl]

So basically give every compound their own little crim-code for their guards?

I approve.