Serjeant with a J

[Anonymous]

While I'm not logged in, I'd like to take this time to remind everyone that it is Serjeant with a J for Winrothol officers, not Sergeant.   :twisted:   I am not stouped as you all think.

[Morfeus]

I think dealing with this ICly is much more fun than posting on GDB.

[bloodfromstone]

I don't see how it would be possible to deal with it ICly. Isn't it pronouced the same? And commoners can't write... Or am I missing something?

[Cale_Knight]

I don't see how it would be possible to deal with it ICly. Isn't it pronouced the same? And commoners can't write... Or am I missing something?

This is my thought.

[Morfeus]

I believe there was some looong thread on this matter on Winrothol clan boards (years ago when I played there) which claimed there is slight difference in pronouncation. If not, what is the difference IG? Your Serjeant character would not see the difference being titled Serjeant or Sergeant if it is pronouced same, right?

EDITed to add: Not that it matters that much. But years ago when I played Serjeant of Winrothol I had great fun teaching recruits difference. "No Sarge! Serjeant you fool!"  :twisted:

[facehugger]

I believe there was some looong thread on this matter on Winrothol clan boards (years ago when I played there) which claimed there is slight difference in pronouncation. If not, what is the difference IG? Your Serjeant character would not see the difference being titled Serjeant or Sergeant if it is pronouced same, right?

Serjeant is like Sergeant pronounced with a San Francisco lisp.

[Larrath]

Isn't 'Serjeant' just the British spelling for Sergeant?

If not, I think it's absolutely silly that every single clan in the game with a Sergeant-like rank uses 'Sergeant' except Winrothol.  Winrothol should conform or other clans should be changed so this makes more sense.

Until then, I honestly don't see a reason to bother putting a J instead of a G.  It's the exact same word and means the same thing.

[EvilRoeSlade]

Is there a difference, or isn't there?

I think the larger question is, Tuluki are communist scum.

Damn Northrons.

G is the American way!

[Morfeus]

Until then, I honestly don't see a reason to bother putting a J instead of a G.  It's the exact same word and means the same thing.

There is a reason for this.

[spawnloser]

Having been around in Winrothol prior to Morfeus being there...having played in the clan when Vendyra was still around, being party to the first 'sergeant vs serjeant' debate.  Vendyra liked the spelling and maintained at that time that there WAS a difference in pronunciation.  The 'J' sound is a bit softer than the 'G' sound in the same place...and thus, it is possible to correct people IG, but it would probably be an exercise in futility to do so.

[Fragmented]

I've always thought of it as being pronounced sort of frenchie..like.. I have no idea how to phonetically spell the sound. Sort of like a zsha sound. Sarzshaunt.

Wait wait.. like Jean Claude Van Damm or however his name is spelled. Instead of being a hard G like Gene, it's a zshaun sound.

[Bebop]

This all seems kind of redundant to me.  As well as confusion to newbs.  Sergeant Serjeant my name IRL is Ginger, Jinger Ginger... same difference as long as there's no spelling involved.

[Anonymous]

Heh, I don't understand it myself.

[Anonymous]

While I'm not logged in, just thought I'd say it's Serjeant with a J for Winrothol officers, not Sergeant.   :twisted:   I am not stouped as you all think.

[Anonymous]

*grunt* I guess you can't edit post while you're not logged in.   :evil:

[Northlander]

Spelling Sergeant with a 'j' has bugged me since forever, and I'm not doing it. Sergeant comes from French to begin with; there isn't any difference in pronounciation except in propagators' imagination. I ran across a post on the rumour board just the other day, and it even spelt it with a capital J.

There -is- an old British form spelt Serjeant, for a rank of super-duper royal servants, but it went away in the late ninteenth century and shouldn't be resuscitated in a culture which cannot write. I suppose it could be spelt differently when put into an actual in-game book, but -saying- "Serjeant" breaks my in-game mood. It makes me think of what said as a line of written rather than a line of spoken.

Growl.

[Ender]

I think this is a simple matter of deference to an already set precedence by Vendyra.  

If the rank is spell "serjeant" and denotes ICly a slightly different pronouncation then, well, it's freakin spelled "serjeant", end of discussion.

P.S.

This reminds me of the old ALA debate.  I always hated hearing about the ALA ICly

"I'm worried the ALA is up to their old tricks again."
"Who?"
"The Allanaki Liberation Alliance."
"How in the name of Krath do you get Allanaki Liberation Alliance from 'Aye ell aye'?"
"I have no idea."

[vissa]

In my mind, the pronounciation difference between Sergeant and Serjeant exists, and is the same as the difference between Gene (as in, Gene Hackman) or jeans (as in, blue jeans) and Jean (as in, Jean Claude or Jean-Luc Picard).  It may be a subtle distinction to some ears, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't significant (just ask any French speaker!).

[bloodfromstone]

When half the population talks with apostrophes instead of a large number of letters, I cannot imagine correcting someone on a slight sound of a single letter. Granted, I haven't played much up North, and the people there might talk much more properly than I'm used to... It just seems silly to me, is all.

[flurry]

Speaking as someone who never heard about this until now, it does sound a little silly, but if there's a reason for it there's a reason for it.

Sergeant has to be one of the most commonly misspelled words in the game, even apart from this.  I shudder to think of what it would be like if everyone corrected others' "pronunciation" of the word.

[Pantoufle]

The amusing thing is, I bet every player who argues against spelling Sergeant with a 'J' would be the first players to complain the moment I began spelling magick without a 'K'.  :lol:

[Cale_Knight]

The amusing thing is, I bet every player who argues against spelling Sergeant with a 'J' would be the first players to complain the moment I began spelling magick without a 'K'.  :lol:

I personally hate the "k" on the end of magic. I think it looks stupid.

I also hate the "j" in Sergeant. I think it looks stupid.

[flurry]

The amusing thing is, I bet every player who argues against spelling Sergeant with a 'J' would be the first players to complain the moment I began spelling magick without a 'K'.  :lol:

It's mainly the lack of a single game-wide standard that I find a little silly.  I have no problem with "magick" or "grey" being the convention, because those are both consistent across the game.  

So, at first blush, this sergeant/serjeant thing seems similar to the sergeant-corporal issue that came up some weeks ago.  On the other hand, I have no idea what IC motivations there may be for this "serjeant" thing, so there may well be some good reason behind it.

[Morfeus]

It's mainly the lack of a single game-wide standard that I find a little silly.

I am not sure if there is anything as "game-wide standard". And I am honestly not even sure if I would like to see some. Lot of Houses have different names of ranks. Why would that be wrong? Just because this one is only 'a little bit different' than title of rank used in most of other organizations?

I believe there is IC reason for this slight difference - maybe not wide known and official, but there is. If you do not like it, there is always possibility to try to change it IG.

IMHO.

[Bestatte]

Considering it's *pronounced* "SAR"-gent and not "SER"-gent, I don't see why anyone would make a big deal out of how it's spelled. You could spell it Saerjaunte, and you'd still pronounce it Sar-Gent in your head.