The Misfired Think

[flurry]

I detest OOC ignore that's.   I detest it.

That's why you have to beat them to the punch with an

OOC: No take-backsies.

:wink:



I don't remember making this mistake before (maybe I need to use more 'thinks').   Along similar lines, though, one time I contacted the person I wanted to gossip ABOUT rather than gossip TO.   Boy, was that a train wreck.   I wouldn't have planned that, but rolling with it did make things interesting.   I would have felt cheesy asking the other player to ignore it.

[joyofdiscord]

In my opinion, once you've made an IC response to their messup, be it a think, a say, an emote, that -is- a "no take-backsies."

Also, yeah, another strongly in favor of rolling with it.  I've done it a couple of times and it was always a hoot.  If you're that worried, abbreviate think to "thi" and I guarantee you won't slip up to "talk" if you aren't thinking about the K in think.

[Larrath]

"No take backies" is such a disgusting and unsporting attitude that it's almost sickening.
If I jump on top of the blue table exactly when the blue-robed templar is walking in and some onlooker is eyebrowing me, my PC is stuck after doing this completely insane and dangerous action?

If my dwarf whose focus is to always say only the smartest and most deliberate things speaks out a think when he's more careful when choosing his words than he is around mekillot breeding grounds and someone thinks 'huh?', he's stuck?

These are extreme examples to compliment an extreme method.  Do you really think an elementalist who hid his powers for twenty years, probably with a great deal of effort, is going to suddenly blurt out that he thinks the templars are pitiful for having to rely on the Sorcerer-Kings' magick when he's just sitting at the bar without drinking and when keeping his mouth shut?

I was once in a situation where my PC overheard another PC's think about him, which revealed that the way my PC has been treated the entire time was just a sham.  The second PC asked for it to be ignored and I ignored it, and we kept interacting and had fun and it was just fine.  This is what any player worth a dime should do.

I'll even go further and say this: if a player goes OOC and asks you to ignore something and you don't want to, wish up and ask the staff to judge.  You are not RP police and you have absolutely no authority determining what other players are saying or not saying.

[joyofdiscord]

"No take backies" is such a disgusting and unsporting attitude that it's almost sickening.

Oh, lighten up.  I suspect by the playground terminology that there may have been some form of "joking" in place.  Just wait until "no tagbacks" comes into effect!

Also, if you roll up the "eloquent-focused dwarf", I'd suggest putting a bit of OOC effort in making sure his says come out right, too.

My personal preference is always going to be to roll with it, simply because it injects a realistic bit of fallibility in a character, when many players are very reluctant to let their characters slip up.

I'm certainly not going to whine if someone does "ooc ignore that please", but it isn't going to be my choice.

[flurry]

Yeah..the no take-backsies thing was supposed to be a joke (hence the :wink: ).  

But I really do think it's best, in most cases, to roll with the OOC mistakes.  Some of this discussion reminds me, in a way, of the discussion a ways back about using triggers to always close your pack because your character would never ever forget.  I don't know about stuff like that...PCs that can't make mistakes aren't very interesting, IMHO.

[waroth]

The more I think about it, the more I think it is all depending on the situation.  An example:

If I were talking to some guy at work and I am thinking "This guy is the ugliest fucker I have ever seen."  I would never say outloud to him, "This guy is the ugliest fucker I have ever seen".  It is just completely unrealistic and OOC for someone to do unless they have Turrets Syndrom, so I can understand asking to ignore it.

However, if someone were telling this unbelievable story and I am thinking "Bullshit." and I somehow silently word it out thinking he may not overhear..I could understand playing it off as that.  Not sure if I am getting my thoughts across or not as I am sleepy.  Anyways, thats all I got.

[Rindan]

I tend to be of the opinion that if someone asks you OOCly to ignore something, you do so.  If you don't want to, then wish up and have the staff sort it out.  I personally think that you are in absolutely no position to make the judgment for yourself as to whether or not a technical error should be counted as having been IC.

When it comes down to it, miss fired thinks and emotes are technical problems on par with going link dead.  Most of the time people just play through them.  If someone goes link dead, they might just play through it when they connect by saying that they had someone contact them via the way and so they got distracted and missed anything said.  Other times though it might be so jarring to make IC excuses you simply OOC that your connection got screwed and that you need to replay the scene.  Misfired thinks and emotes are the same thing.  Get around it ICly if you can, but OOC it if you can't.  

Having your delfier get caught after being around for 2 RL years because he thought out loud in a room full of templars is just a stupid waste of everyone's time.  I would much rather see said delfier OOC for everyone to ignore what he said, then later give people an out such that they don't have to keep pretending to not know who he is.  For instance, he might RP later on in the day that a soldier tried to drag him into jail after misidentifying him for someone else, and he called down the unholy fires of hell upon that soldier and fled the city.  This way everyone is at least partially satisfied.  Delfier does not have to instantly die in a wasteful orgy of death due to an OOC problem, and the templars don't need to pretend that they don't know who the delfier is.  This sort of compromise solution is MUCH better then just flat out killing someone over an OOC problem.

[Yokunama]

If the player had plans to use the "think" command, I really do not see any problem with using the OOC command. Also, It is an OOC mistake and should be delt with the use of the OOC command.

[Anonymous]

I tend to be of the opinion that if someone asks you OOCly to ignore something, you do so.

Eh, no.  Ignoring a keyword messup..yes.  Ignoring you said your thoughts about killing me..hah, fat chance.

[Yokunama]

How can it not be in-character for a PC to make a mistake?

It is not the character's fault; Its more of the player's mistake.

[Anonymous]

It is not the character's fault; Its more of the player's mistake.

But considering how rarely PCs make mistakes I think it's only fair to roleplay that they made the mistake instead of asking a roomful of people to forget that you are a defiler.  That's just a shitty position for everyone to be in, I think players should roll with it and let your character face the consequences.

[mansa]

It is not the character's fault; Its more of the player's mistake.

But considering how rarely PCs make mistakes I think it's only fair to roleplay that they made the mistake instead of asking a roomful of people to forget that you are a defiler.  That's just a shitty position for everyone to be in, I think players should roll with it and let your character face the consequences.

I don't know about you, CRW, but my characters makes lots of mistakes.  He's a bit of a dolt, sometimes.

[Anonymous]

I don't know about you, CRW, but my characters makes lots of mistakes.  He's a bit of a dolt, sometimes.

I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about my perception of PCs in general.

For me personally I've had PCs charge headlong to their deaths knowing full well that's what would happen, fly off the handle at their superiors and, yes, I've had a PC essentially say 'Good thing they don't know I'm a nilazi' in a room full of PCs instead of using the think command.  Rolling with it was a lot more fun than going 'ooc You don't know I'm a nilazi!'

[joyofdiscord]

Also, while we're inventing scenarios, consider the stealth char spying on you.  You accidentally say "I'll zap him with my defiler powers."  Spy goes "yippee," and sneaks out to inform Faithful Lord Defiler-Hater.  You then "ooc ignore that."  Too late, the IC wheels are in motion and you're going to disappear.

And yeah, let your character mess up once in a while, in a manner appropriate to his personality.  -Everybody- messes up, just in different ways.  I can't even adequately explained the laughs I've gotten from other characters tearing their hair out in frustration when my char screws up.

[Qetesh]

If someone makes a mistake and types in the wrong thing, then asks you to ignore it, I think you should.

I think it's a good thing if people just run with things like that, but everything has it's limits. If someone types something as a mishap and quickly types "OOC please dismiss that, it was an error." You should except their choice and let things be as they were. If you think that what they said is absolutely impossible to let go, as such seems the debate with hidden magickers and mind benders (seeing as we have so many of those running about) wish to the staff for intervention and consultation on what to do. But never just negate the other persons request and bring an OOC mistake into the IC realm of things despite their request not to.

If you ask me, that's worse than forgetting about the consent rule. Be considerate to your fellow players.

[Xygax]

Nothing is worse than forgetting about the consent rule.  The consent rule is the most important OOC rule we have.
</staff>

On the subject of typing errors yielding IC difficulties, I think that the precedents established by a number of our other rules and guidelines set a pretty good foundation for this.  We don't resurrect your PC if you accidentally type "kill" instead of "kiss" or you accidentally wander off the Shield Wall.  Therefore, I don't personally think the players around you should be responsible for helping you recover from your mistake in blurting out that you're a baby-killing nilazi defiler spy who spits in peoples' ale when they're not looking.

That's my personal opinion (the stuff I said above about the consent rule isn't).

-- X

[Qetesh]

Yes, Xygax is right, consent is the most important rule we have.  

But, I still think consideration for your fellow players is important as well, it's a game. And yeah, that's just my opinion as well. Clearly staff has no offical ruling on it.

[Obsidia]

I would be horribly embarrased OOC'ly if I misfired a think. It's become my favorite command and I'm constantly using it (correctly, I hope). Now I'm all paranoid that I'm going to misfire a think.

I think just to be fair to the other players, I would roll with it... even if it was something super sensitive. Why? Because I think it would be asking to much for the other players to simply "forget" that my PC is some baby-eating magicker and continue acting normal around me. It would be hard for me to do for someone else. I would like to think that I would be able to, but unlearning things is difficult.

So I'd just take the consequences and make things easier for everyone else.

A paranoid Obsidia

[Yokunama]

It is not the character's fault; Its more of the player's mistake.

But considering how rarely PCs make mistakes I think it's only fair to roleplay that they made the mistake instead of asking a roomful of people to forget that you are a defiler.  That's just a shitty position for everyone to be in, I think players should roll with it and let your character face the consequences.

I don't know about you, CRW, but my characters makes lots of mistakes.  He's a bit of a dolt, sometimes.

Yes, characters make a lot of mistakes without the player even knowing about them.

[Anonymous]

Whenever someone misfires a think obviously, I just ignore it, but inside I am thinking mwahaha I know what you are thinking about me *shrug* Hope I never do it, allowed.  :oops:

[Socko]

I tend to be of the opinion that if someone asks you OOCly to ignore something, you do so.

Eh, no.  Ignoring a keyword messup..yes.  Ignoring you said your thoughts about killing me..hah, fat chance.

Why? It's up to you, ultimately, but to me, I wouldn't have a problem ignoring something like that, if asked-- even if it inconveniences my own PC.

[jhunter]

I tend to be of the opinion that if someone asks you OOCly to ignore something, you do so. If you don't want to, then wish up and have the staff sort it out. I personally think that you are in absolutely no position to make the judgment for yourself as to whether or not a technical error should be counted as having been IC.

Agreed.

[path]

I think rolling with it's groovy.

However. Realistic? Hm. I'm not so sure. I've been wracking my brain, but I can't remember ever spilling something I was thinking in real life by mistake.

i.e. "Ivy you're such an evil spunk-bucket. I hope you get herpies." never came out of my mouth, no matter how many times I thought it at various parties and dispite the large amounts of alcohol I consume. She would still find back-handed ways to compliment me and I'd still ask her politely if I could fill up her wine-glass.

Does this stuff really happen to all of you all IRL?

[Anonymous]

I can't remember ever spilling something I was thinking in real life by mistake.

You've never said something without thinking and instantly regretted it?  Same idea.

The logic people are applying here makes no sense to me.  If someone accidently types 'kill woman' instead of 'kiss woman' they don't get a do-over from the staff after they are tossed in jail.  Everyone in the room isn't given a whisper from 'Someone' to ignore that big fight scene.  So why the special circumstances for typing 'say' instead of 'think'?

Just like tabletop D&D, you spray it you say it.

[sarahjc]

I've said things without intentionally saying them. Freudian slips are quite common to me. I have also muttered something I was thinking out loud. But all and all I am insane and talk to myself. So.. Take what you will from that.