CHASE SCENES

[Rindan]

I would consider to far more OOC bending of the rules to not run from everyone you see then to run.  In the desert there is no law.  Hell, the 'rinth is safer in that at least there are acceptable norms.  In the desert anything goes.  Any and every person you meet is an IC threat.  Any person who spends any time in the waste is going to have it drilled into their head that everyone is a danger.  In the waste, if he shit hits the fan, no one will save you.  If you have your kank stolen and your water taken,  you are in a pile of trouble.  This is very rational IC fear.  It is perfectly rational IC fear for a person to run from a rider that charges across the desert towards them without any warning.

Now, should you always run due to this very rational IC fear?  It really depends upon the kind of character you play.  If you are playing a bad ass or someone with some attitude, it might very well make plenty of sense to stick your ground and find out if the person riding down on you is friend or foe.  A wise old ranger might also trust his instincts to judge based on looks alone if he should stick around or get on his way.  

Your average city person though?  There is absolutely nothing wrong with them running each and every time.  That goes double if they know they are no good with a weapon.  That isn't OOC, that is common IC sense.   The reason why most people would do it is because it makes complete practical sense.  ICly why -would- you stick around?  Put yourself in the Zalanthas mind set.  Ask yourself what you have to gain by waiting around to see if someone approaching is hostal.  If the answer is little to nothing, and it generally is, then running makes perfect sense.

I think the 'problem' is drastically overstated.  Certainly plenty of people have darted from me when I move to them in the wilds, but it certainly has not been everyone.  In fact, I would say that 1 time in 5 people not only stop, but stop to talk for a while.  I just don't see it as a terrible problem and actually think that it mimicks how I think people would really react fairly well.  Most people are skittish when they are alone in the wilds... it just makes sense.  The most compelling reason to stick around are OOC reasons, not IC reasons.  ICly you probably stand to gain nothing and possible risking a mugging or murder.  OOCly,  you stand to gain some interesting interaction.

[jhunter]

That's fine then.

If and when I do make a raider type, it will be an attack and kill on sight only policy since everyone wants to justify the only behavior which does not allow for it to be any other way if you want to live as a raider.

That's just to damned bad though if you ask me that it's the only option one has as a raider.

Too bad for the victims as well.

[jhunter]

The reason why most people would do it is because it makes complete practical sense. ICly why -would- you stick around? Put yourself in the Zalanthas mind set. Ask yourself what you have to gain by waiting around to see if someone approaching is hostal. If the answer is little to nothing, and it generally is, then running makes perfect sense.

I can think of several reasons those who are out in the wilds -would- stick around and are survival related.

News of any raiders, hostile tribals, dangerous beasts to avoid in the area.

Besides people, it's alot easier to flee than it is for someone to box you in.

:roll:

I would consider to far more OOC bending of the rules to not run from everyone you see then to run.

This, well...we'll just have to agree to completely disagree because I don't believe this one single bit.

[Cenghiz]

Err... I guess the last threads were right.. Running away for a newbie warrior is more logical IC. Eh, it's a very very blurry thin line. Once happened;
>w (cooing his pet lizard)
The figure in a dusty purple cloak walks west.
The figure in a bloodied green cloak walks north.
The burly, gigantic man walks south.
.....
I couldn't type any other commands for 30 seconds, was wiping the floor laughing my a** off.
Nothing can be concluded in this discussion I believe.
What was the saying for that; "beating the dead horse" we're doing?

[Agent_137]

Err... I guess the last threads were right.. Running away for a newbie warrior is more logical IC. Eh, it's a very very blurry thin line. Once happened;
>w (cooing his pet lizard)
The figure in a dusty purple cloak walks west.
The figure in a bloodied green cloak walks north.
The burly, gigantic man walks south.
.....
I couldn't type any other commands for 30 seconds, was wiping the floor laughing my a** off.
Nothing can be concluded in this discussion I believe.
What was the saying for that; "beating the dead horse" we're doing?

I <3 Cenghiz.

This is another thread Agent is done with.

G'dnite.

[Anonymous]

If and when I do make a raider type, it will be an attack and kill on sight only policy since everyone wants to justify the only behavior which does not allow for it to be any other way if you want to live as a raider.

[sjanimal]

Completely not necessary cats.

A few cheaters will spam run (I've seen people do this, and do it every now and then when I get startled and spaz out).

The rest of us emote.  

I'm glad that a couple people were honest here about the reason that they spam run.  I think honesty is better than deciet on a matter like this, and it's not cool to be two faced.

But this is an issue that really "seperates the men from the boys" in a matter of speaking.

If you catch someone spam running, it's not that hard to take the time to hunt them down and kill them, using the cheeziest techniques.

So there's no reason not to emote out desert chase scenes.  The desert is harsh yet, but it's harsh BECAUSE your role play correctly.  

I'm speaking empirically.  Out of the last 11 wilderness encounters I've had, only one of those persons took fight/flight actions without emoting.  Those are pretty good odds.

[John]

Outside of the city, the fleeing person should take the first step to initiate roleplay.  If they get attacked for their efforts, they should feel comfortable responding to this by spam fleeing ..... Inside the city, I think it should be the responsibility of the chaser to initiate roleplay.  If some dumb fecker spazes out and runs, effectively ignoring your roleplay, then the next time you see him (and you will, it's a small world) you should feel comfortable just spam attacking the guy.  After all, you made the effort.

Well, wadya think?

Two rights don't make a wrong. That's a very simplified response but it's one I believe in. If I'm running from someone I'll try emoting, if they use the time to attack me without emoting then I'll stop emoting, but I won't spam flee. I consider not emoting and spam fleeing to be two different things. I see spam <insert whatever here> to be doing something in an unrealistic manner.

I've died so many times at the moment all I care about is "did I play the character well or did I twink out/spam/use OOC knowledge/etc." I might even make a char with the OOC goal of having him die through IC means, so for me "but they did the wrong thing first" doesn't hold any water. Instead I'll hope they'll learn by example or the Imms will come along and notice them.

[SewerRat_inTheOpen]

I played for a month and I think

Lack of survival instincts is the person who sees a stranger in the alleys or the desert a way off and think, ho , he must be here to lend me some sids/water.

spam killing will just lead to even more spam fleeing. Eventually the reputation of the desert persons will be seen as nilch, lower than the rats. Since, "Holy Sands, there's a cloaked figure walking my way, there's been many cases/rumours of people missing in the deserts, I better run for my life."

I dun stop to talk to any stranger in the dark alleys. Not unless, I happen to be packing my deagle and I pull faster than you can say tuluk. Even then, I don't stop to talk. I have been taught that much. It's in the dark alleys after all.

only the most hardy warrior may want to stay and see what happens probably, since he has done in 200 magickers/defilers/giths/halflingds/muls. I can't even hold my knife up all the time and you think I'm gonna stay and see what you are bringin me? Even then, he;s not gonna stay alone with 5 people moving towards him.

That said,

Of course, spam fleeing when one has already been encountered does seem bad without the proper roleplaying. I mean fleeing works most of the time, doesn't it? And that stranger may just save your arse from the next gith you meet.

We should not always think the worse of people, but hey, I rather live to drink my ale then to trust and die. Survival is hard coded. Foolishness is not.

[sjanimal]

I think a couple of peeps are missing the thrust of this post.

When we're suggesting that you ROLEPLAY out desert encounters, we're not suggesting you actually TALK to people out in the desert.

That would be crazy.  The desert is full of thieves, raiders, psychos, rapists, and spice-fiends, as well as people who haven't bathed in a month.

What we're suggesting is that if you want to run away....

at least squezze out a few emotes like:

:the tall, handsome warrior notices you as you start to ride up.

:the tall, handsome warrior turns his kank to move away.

:the tall, handsome warrior digs his heels into his kank, running towards the west.

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Don't worry, it's unlikely you'll die from that.  And if you do and it bothers you, you know that Achaea doesn't have perma-death.

[Anonymous]

as well as people who haven't bathed in a month.

They day when zalanthan desert wanderers will bathe every month is the day I strangle you with a bungee cord.

you know that Achaea doesn't have perma-death.

I like your style.

[jhunter]

My point is that there are -lots- of people that won't even allow another pc within a league (the same room) as them...how does this allow for any rp of shit between the two?

[Anonymous]

What if you're a raider and you ride in to 'raid' this person; suddenly (as you are typing in an emote), the other person dismounts, brandishes his/her weapons, and kills you in approximately two hits. How would you feel?

[sjanimal]

Jhunter,

Now -that- is a good question, one that I don't have the answer too.  I will say this -- if you see someone coming from two leagues away it wouldn't be that hard to ditch them in any terrain -except- for the flats.

But you raise a good point, and I don't really have an answer.  I'm certainly open to ideas on this one.

[Anonymous]

Oh, forgot to mention - When you ride in, don't spam look the person - that discourages many. Like it or not, seeing that biases the other PC into thinking that you're after what they have. If you just ride in, leisurely lick your lips and fondle your genitalia accordingly, they will be amused and might stick around.

[jhunter]

Oh, forgot to mention - When you ride in, don't spam look the person - that discourages many. Like it or not, seeing that biases the other PC into thinking that you're after what they have. If you just ride in, leisurely lick your lips and fondle your genitalia accordingly, they will be amused and might stick around.

Again, as I've said before on other threads that related to it...this is the case of people taking "look" too seriously.

You have to look at someone to see if they are naked/emblazoned with symbols/got an arm growing out of their ass/penis sprouting from their face...etc...maybe a friend you'd recognize by seeing what is not covered by the facewrap and such.

There is no other way to find out these very noticable things without using the look command.

Nothing is more embarassing and unrealistic than rp'ing with someone you haven't looked at, (thinking nothing is amiss) than to find out that they are wearing no pants or something afterward.

People need to keep in mind that there is a square league represented by an outdoor room.

BOTH those approaching (potential attackers) and those there already (potential victims).

[Agent_137]

Nothing is more embarassing and unrealistic than rp'ing with someone you haven't looked at, (thinking nothing is amiss) than to find out that they are wearing no pants or something afterward.

This is really the job of the naked person to emote that . . .

But that's another thread.


Honestly, with the big scare about mdesc mindbenders, I have to agree with Anonymous Kank.  Notice he said SPAM look. Not don't look.

For instance:

BAD:

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look e
e
look joe


GOOD:

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look e
shout Hey there!
east (riding, weapons resting across his legs)
tell joe Hey there! Would you like to trade?
emote lowers his bandana to smile at ~joe while approaching.
look joe while nodding and coming a stop near !joe

[jhunter]

Of course this is most likely to be what would -really- end up happening, happens to me all the time:

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Code:

look e

shout Hey there!

east (riding, weapons resting across his legs)

The blah blah blah dude mounts a vibrant green kank.

tell joe Hey there! Would you like to trade?

The blah blah blah dude leaves north atop a vibrant green kank.
You do not see that here.




[Agent_137]

Yea, you've said that before, you know.

[Anonymous]

Okay, so many who enjoy playing this game are piss-poor rpiers: that's basically what you're getting at, isn't it? Very well then, but it is up to YOU to RAISE the bar, not lower it. If you ride in and attack instantly because of previous misconceptions, then you're only adding weapons-grade plutonium to an already high-yield nuclear warhead. And we know what that leads to: bilateral escalation. Frankly, I'm sick of this cold war.... you see where I'm going with this?

[jhunter]

Frankly I'd be more apt to pay any attention to you if you weren't posting Anon.

[Stroker]

Okay, so many who enjoy playing this game are piss-poor rpiers: that's basically what you're getting at, isn't it? Very well then, but it is up to YOU to RAISE the bar, not lower it. If you ride in and attack instantly because of previous misconceptions, then you're only adding weapons-grade plutonium to an already high-yield nuclear warhead. And we know what that leads to: bilateral escalation. Frankly, I'm sick of this cold war.... you see where I'm going with this?

No longer anonymous.

[jhunter]

Yep, but I don't think it's right that you are only stating this toward what I said instead of the same toward those who've stated that they will continue to do so from the opposite side of things.

It goes both ways.

[sjanimal]

jhunter,

Rather than take Dirr's side or take your side, maybe he didn't mean it to you in particular?  You sure don't seem like the sort of person who would spam kill or spam run.  

I think all of us (you and me included) would do well to see his point, although some of us (I think you and me both) are already aware of it.

-sjanimal

[Angela Christine]

You can't control what other people's actions.  You can only control your own actions.  (If you don't believe me, ask any therapist.)

So if you want to improve the quality of roleplay in general, as an OOC goal, then lead the way.  Will your raider/victim lose out sometimes when you pause to emote and they roleplay without pausing to emote?  Probably, but the game isn't about winning and losing, and that is the point, right?  But a few of those times your L337 RP skills will win over a convert, and that raises the bar a little for the whole mud.

As a (possibly) wise man or woman once said, "Be the change you want to see in Zalanthas.


AC