Yeaaah.... Again, I think we can leave skill checks or skills out of it entirely.

The main idea, I think, is to alleviate the word-vomit pouring out of a screen reader in most situations by allowing certain players to "name" others.

Should it be seen through facewraps, or hoods, or anything else sdesc-hiding? No.

*everyone knows you*

I am in full support of a distance/face-wrap/hood situation not allowing anyone to tag and remember anyone else. That makes perfect snese to me and in those situations the short desc changes anyway. Or so I have noticed.

This is a feature I think could benefit everyone not just me or anyone else with a reader. But I can understand why other players may want that air of limitation.

Quote from: Yummri on October 16, 2013, 12:34:19 PM
I am in full support of a distance/face-wrap/hood situation not allowing anyone to tag and remember anyone else. That makes perfect snese to me and in those situations the short desc changes anyway. Or so I have noticed.

This is a feature I think could benefit everyone not just me or anyone else with a reader. But I can understand why other players may want that air of limitation.

If all you're looking for is to be able to identify someone by name, if you recognize their sdesc - then you can absolutely set up aliases client-side. That's with or without a reader. You still need some kind of client and I know Zmud, Mushclient, and CMud are all compatible with readers.

You can but the problem is that's really rather clunky and again as I said before its really hard with people of the same desc and setting up alias/triggers takes us out of the window meaning we miss whats going on in the game.

why when a remember command lets people do that game0side.

Quote from: Yummri on October 16, 2013, 08:57:53 PM
You can but the problem is that's really rather clunky and again as I said before its really hard with people of the same desc and setting up alias/triggers takes us out of the window meaning we miss whats going on in the game.

why when a remember command lets people do that game0side.

Yeah, but I imagine it's certainly easier for you to do it for yourself once, than for the staff to code its framework to be used by the entire userbase, while also running the game and dealing with all sorts of other implementations, events, application review, and submission requests.


I think this is a good idea that I would love to see in game, but I can tell you with nearly 100% certainty this is not something that will be implemented. So I suggest trying to use the workarounds posted in this thread rather than waiting around for staff to do it for you.

I don't think there are too many people with the exact same sdesc at any given time. Once people die and disappear or what have you and the sdesc comes up a day you'll have a moment of confusion.

I can tell you that's sort of part of the whole game. We all experience that.

(Granted, I've never used a reader, so there may be more too this than I'm understanding.)

The tall, muscular man stands here

I'm disappointed this thread isn't about a love song.

When those work arounds pose the same problems it isn't really a work around.

Here is a breakdown of how this works.

With the sdesc system the way it is. I(anyone with a reader) has to tread things like: The tall, muscular blue-eyed, blond-haired half-elf nods as he moves his hand in a slight wave saying <language> Hello there, what is your name, my name is blah of his ivory.

I have to read every single word before I get to either his pose, or what he actually said. And by the time I've done that, 3 other people have already responded making it really hard to compete with and worse when there are others in the room. The solution if only a slight one is a way to decrease the amount I have to read making me faster.

Now you can do this with triggers. But this requires you to know what you are doing with scripts for your client(and I have no idea how to scrpt at all) and to leave the game window to set up the triggers. Which for anyone sighted is fine.

The problem with this is that it takes me out of the game window and then my reader doesn't read what's going on. A sighted person can more the trigger window to keep an eye on things as they script. A blind person using a reader only hears what they are working on in the trigger window. Meaning I then have to scroll up line by line and reread every word of what I missed in order to catch up. Further missing out and being lagged behind everyone else.

Making a list in a notepad file of short desc and names is exactly the same problem but you have to read everyone's you've ever met's description before you find the one you want.

I personally can remember a lot. I can learn the sdscs and memorize ones I come across often. and I agree that mistaken identity can be part of the fun. But its still very very slow and it takes away from my experience, your experience interacting with me and anyone else with a reader who wants to play is gonna be in the same position. Its a case of trimming down whats reading to be able to play.

I think we have many players who could help you with this. Did you say you use Mushclient?

I think that Yummri's problem is more that he can't do it on the fly (because of the screen reading problem).

But, you wouldn't necessary have to put the scripts in while playing.  You could conceivably put the sdescs that you need to remember in a text file as you go and put them in the script later, even if just to help yourself out while staff considers this or whatever.

We have enough techies to take care of most of the heavy lifting I bet.  And yes, on the fly may be harder. But there's probably some solution

What about a client called VIP?

Would there possibly be a way to set up an alias that takes a command from the command window to make some kind of script thing that replaces and sdesc with a name, so you never have to leave the window?

Such as:
remember fat, mangy brute as cletus
(not sure how that would be done)

And also maybe a forget command, for when, 10 seconds later, cletus uses bash in a Gaj brawl and lands on the pile, so future fat, mangy, brutes are not remembered by cletus, once you've confirmed their death, or have been away from them so long it may be appropriate to forget or assume they died?

http://gmagames.com/vipmud.shtml

VIP client

I've used Vip before and I'm not really a fan. But yes I do use Muschclient because for the most part its easy to use and setting up simple triggers and aliases is something I can do. Scripting them is very different though.

Quote from: Yummri on October 17, 2013, 04:10:04 PM
I've used Vip before and I'm not really a fan. But yes I do use Muschclient because for the most part its easy to use and setting up simple triggers and aliases is something I can do. Scripting them is very different though.

Ah! You can set up triggers and aliases OFFLINE! If you set up triggers and aliases to substitute sdescs for names, then you will be able to type out just the name, _and_ you'll be able to "see" just the name. The only time this would be a problem is if two people have the same name, or if two people have the same sdesc, and they're both in the same room. Your trigger would need to be more complex, adding criteria such as "Amos, the tall muscular man, is also the short and thin figure, when he has his hood on, while I'm playing this particular charcter. So if I see a hooded figure who is NOT short and thin, and I target amos, the trigger will reject it and send me an error, because yes - that person IS also Amos - but it's not the Amos I want to target."

I have no idea how to set criteria in triggers, having never created one with Mushclient. I used to do that with zmud but it was over 10 years ago. I know you can do it though.

http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,37948.msg514576.html#msg514576

Another thread I remember initiated by a blind/reader player.

Just had a thought, Do you know about the Brief system in the game?

Something that will probably help you a lot. At the very least 'brief room' will help your reader not have to go over so many lines of room descriptions every time. A lot less page scroll that way.


http://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Brief

Was the first thing I checked for and it does help a lot. Sadly even this has drawbacks as you can miss a lot of useful information that people refer to sometimes or even objects of interest.

Some of the huts are blended into the room desc and  don't actually show up in the list of things in the room too.

Sometimes you'll see:

A dwarf is stood here
An Efl is stood here
A brown hut is here

other times you don't see the hut and I've walked passed them a few times looking for them for that brief reason. haha.

There are often things in rooms that people miss because it's not obvious, like those huts that are only included in the room description.

Keyword .

That command is great for finding everything in the room that's visible if you just use the period after the keyword command. It will list everything on your person, in your inventory, in the room and everything inside containers that are in your inventory or inside the room.

Good lord, Bushranger, you just blew my mind! Why have I never heard of this?

Quote from: Fujikoma on October 18, 2013, 08:52:14 PM
Good lord, Bushranger, you just blew my mind! Why have I never heard of this?

You can also limit your key search - key green will give you a list of only the visible items that have "green" in the room as a keyword.

You can key green chest to see only those items in the chest that have green as a keyword.

Count is also a useful command - count green chest will tell you how many green items are in the chest. And if you feel that's a reasonable amount of things to check further, you can then key green chest, to see what those green items are.

I think it would be very helpful if you could "key . room" and get the same liist without having to read through your inventory and equipment lists.

Quote from: FantasyWriter on October 20, 2013, 10:45:33 AM
I think it would be very helpful if you could "key . room" and get the same liist without having to read through your inventory and equipment lists.

Oh yes.  Please.