Calavera has a totally fun and cute topic that people have been enjoying elsewhere in general discussion, and something posted to it (which I will quote below) bothered me, and I wanted to respond to it without derailing it.
Quote from: Adj on July 03, 2012, 04:36:59 AM
Some people when unable to have sex with their lover have sex on the phone with her.
Some people when unable to have real life sex engage in sex on the internet.
Some people when unable to have real life sex for long enough at least hire a prostitute.
Some people when unable to have real lives and unable to have real life sex have sex on a game.
Some people who unable to cross the known world who are playing Arm because they have no life at that moment, and who is unable to have real life sex engage in Mud sex through the way.
Quote from: Clan Des Tine on July 01, 2012, 01:05:48 PM
Over the Way
How many more degrees of separation of reality can there be?
The hard nosed Jiahen templar tells the compliant aide, in sirihish: "Hey, way Lady Oash's aide and ask what she would do if I slowly shoved my XXX up her XXX while kissing her gently.
Some people when unable to have sex with their lover have sex on the phone with her.
Some people when unable to have real life sex engage in sex on the internet.
Some people when unable to have real life sex for long enough at least hire a prostitute.
Some people when unable to have real lives and unable to have real life sex have sex on a game.
Some people who unable to cross the known world who are playing Arm because they have no life at that moment, and who is unable to have real life sex engage in Mud sex through the way.
Some people who are too busy in their virtual world instead of their real life so they need to virtually hire some one in the same boat, who is also unable to cross the known world who is furthermore playing arm because they have no life, and who is unable to have real life sex engaging in mud sex through the way through some one else.
I really do not understand this argument at all.
Engaging in sexual roleplay on Armageddon doesn't mean you have a shitty sex life or are a loser. This isn't a matter of "let's agree to disagree," it isn't some kind of opinion that can be attributed to taste, it's just _a fact_. There is _no bearing_ between the two.
Some people engage in sexual roleplay, and
some people don't, and I'd wager to say that in most cases, it's actually in the middle, and it's more of a "sometimes" kind of thing for just about everyone. Usually I have something better to do in-game. Sometimes, I really don't, or I am interested in the nuances that come out during sex with whoever I'm with (or am interested in expressing those nuances belonging to my PC at the time), and hey, guess what -- if we're going to be pointing fingers and making fun of people for what they do or don't like to do, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that
if you don't think normally unrevealed nuances show themselves during sex and not during other times, it's probably not *me* who has the inexperienced sex life.Why does this constantly come up? How is this a thing that is endlessly debated and fought over? Why must there be some holier-than-thou attitude revolving around mudsex? Do we need facts to put some kind of stake in the heart of this and bury it for all time? That's never come up in this debate before, so let's try that.
I have been here for a *very long time*. I may not have been around when people would run up to Tuluk and kill the guards for their bronze swords, and I may not have been here when LoD discovered he could order his inix to cast heal on him in the early days (spoiler: this is no longer possible), but I've been around for over a decade. WELL before I started playing here, I roleplayed elsewhere, and some of *that* was sexual, too. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and bite the bullet and say that I played (and play! gasp!) on *purely* sexual games. I have been doing *that* for over a decade and a half. It is safe to say that sexuality is probably pretty firmly rooted in my personality (more on this later!), and regardless of what I do in my personal life or via roleplay, it will come out a bit.
I don't play Armageddon to 'get my kicks'. I get plenty of kicks, thanks, and for those of you who actually know me, you probably understand me when I'm saying that if I got anymore kicks, I would
probably be dead. I make professional pornography for a *living*. I am (and pardon the ego) *ridiculously* hot. I have had more partners than I can count, and things like group sex, orgies, whips, Eyes Wide Shut parties, whatever -- are part of my normal, daily life. I do not engage in mudsex because I am somehow finding rampant, endless sexual romps with porn stars to be somehow unsatisfactory. I do not engage in it because I am somehow "bad" at sex (and in fact, most of my PCs are shitty lays unless they have reason not to be). I engage in it because it tends to be
interesting to whatever story I am focused on telling at the time. People state this
every time this gets brought up, and yet somehow things still go back to, "haha, sure, it's "story-based," I got you. I think we all know what's lacking in your personal life." Let me state this unequivocally.
There is nothing lacking.When I *do* engage in sexual roleplay to "get my kicks," guess what?
I don't do it here. This may come as a shock to you, but having your emotes truncated to about 240 characters is
laughably inadequate. There is absolutely *no way* that someone who gets a thrill from writing out sex is going to be satisfied with emotes that, by and large, come out to be nearly fractional sentences at best -- not to mention that it's going to cost them a ridiculous amount of obsidian to even feed their characters for the 'down time' (a problem PC whores have noted in the past). When I want to write dirty smut, I go somewhere else that caters to it. The fact that you somehow think people who get their thrills from mudsex would come to Armageddon, learn the masses of documentation, assimilate into the playerbase, and otherwise progress past our immense learning curve in order to write dirty things to one another is ludicrous. This is akin to saying that people who enjoy playing Sylvanesti forest elves are coming here to play our elves like that. They're not. Do you know where they go? They go somewhere that caters to the thing that they want to play. What makes this even *funnier* is that I have noticed numerous players elsewhere (do you really think others don't recognize it when you copy over character descriptions, or use Zalanthan background stories?) who are doing the *exact same thing*. And you know what? I doubt there's things lacking in *their* personal lives, either.
Sex is a perfectly normal thing, and for whatever reason, it gets demonised and stigmatised, and the people who enjoy it get made fun of, even when they're
pretend people like elves and water mages. Sex is part of my personality, and while most of my life revolves around it, that doesn't mean I am somehow some one-dimensional creature that does nothing but fiend for it and bring it everywhere I go in some kind of chasing-the-Dragon (I'd like to point out that this pun is EXCEPTIONALLY clever) life-quest. I would therefore also reason that if you see a character who is acting nymphomaniacal, guess what?
Maybe since it's something that real humans do, it is something that pretend, roleplayed humans do sometimes as well.To recap:
- There is no correlation between offline sex life and characters mudsexing.
- Armageddon as an environment and as a code base lends itself EXTREMELY poorly to 'recreational' mudsex, and it is unlikely that anyone in it for that would ever stick around.
- If it's normal for the occasional real person to be sex-obsessed, it is normal for the occasional PC person to be sex-obsessed as well.
So can we now *please* stop making absurd assumptions about people and mocking them behind their back (or, as is the case with mudsex threads on the GDB, to their face) now that someone has actually stepped up and outlined the problems with your arguments? Thank you.
This is true. Expecting folk to not tease about sex is pushing it kinda far, though. ;) Most of us are not in your environment and might be a little more shy about the matter.
Keeping false impressions from perpetuating too much is good, however.
Get 'em, Sam.
Judging people period is pretty stupid - particularly on a roleplaying game where we ... roleplay a 'real' life in a 'world' that supposedly is 'realistically fantasy'. I can't agree that there's NO correlation between homebody and mudsex, because I don't think that's fair to the reality that there's some people who really do experience things here that they can't in real life, but I absolutely do agree that deciding someone doesn't have much of a sex life because they RP sex on an RP game is pretty dim witted.
Personally, I'd rather always decide that that person is playing this game to enjoy themselves, and if that includes sleeping with everythingt hat walks, then more power to them. Whether their sex life IRL is uber active, or non existent, I'm assuming they are having fun right now, and how could I possibly judge someone narrowly for having fun?
I mean, does the fact that you like boobies on TV or watch porn now and then mean that you don't have a sex life? Nah - nah, it doesn't.
That said, I think the post that raised Samoa's ire was probably a joke, because it sure read like one.
... Also can I have your autograph?
There will always be people that feel that "hem @'s penis rubs against the inside of his pants" is a bit ludicrous. To ask people to change their feelings is a bit like asking people to believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ.
That said, I have no issue with people that mudsex, I just feel like stuff I do when -I- roleplay revolves around aspects of my personality that DON'T shine through in real life. We should count ourselves lucky that, if you aren't "into" it, or anything else blocking your want to roleplay sexual activity, you can always FTB.
Unfortunately, for the people that DO play this game for mudsex/sexual roleplay (primarily or not), there is a feeling... or a ... I don't know... surrounding the fact that if you -don't- engage in mudsex with someone else, you probably won't have the IG relationship you're looking for, because the player wants something more.
Is that a wrong feeling?
Never had that problem, but that's not to say that it doesn't exist. I would do what's good for me OOCly in a situation like that. FTB if you wanna, don't if you wanna. You already have to ask each others' consent. If they wanna go a path you don't, you're better off finding that out early.
"Sure, this time. I usually FTB, though, so be prewarned."
"No, not comfortable with that graphic part of the relationship. FTB only please."
"Hellz to tha Yezz."
I really don't think there is a mudsex problem IG, and if there is one OOC, it might be best to send player complaints or just ignore those people. It's random people on the internet, who you'll likely never meet in RL, so who cares?
It's perfectly normal for humans as well as Armageddon to have sex. That said, it's also perfectly normal for some people, IG and in real life, to be bothered by others who have a lot of sex, and trash talk about them. That will never change.
I'm not sure this discussion is going to lead anywhere.
The only complaint I have with it is I mainly play this game for all of the other parts of roleplay. I always fade to black because I simply don't enjoy sexual rp on a mud.
I get frustrated when I can't find other characters in game because they're spending a majority of their time doing sexual rp instead of interaction with the rest of the game on other levels. I get frustrated when the only kind of rp those around me seem interested in is sexual rp. I get frustrated when people have their characters behaving in an unrealistic manner in order to engage in sexual roleplay.
I don't have a problem that people want to do it in general and I do see how it can add to the story and how it can be realistic. (Which is why my characters do have sex, even though I choose to ftb.)
When I log in to play and it seems like my character is surrounded by others who's entire roleplay -always- surrounds sexual roleplay, it's annoying. There's nothing wrong with it if they're behaving realistically and that's what they choose to spend their time doing. It just really sucks for -me- because it's not what I'd like to be spending my time on the game doing.
Sexual rp on a mud is to real life sex as non-alcoholic beer is to real beer, to me. I'd rather be spending my time doing the real thing than wasting my time with anything less. *shrug*
Another mudsex thread. At least this one has a slightly different ring to it.
Anyways, I've always believed that the best mudsexors in the game are probably the people here who come and scream will always fad to black for one reason or another.
This game is really slow paced. It can often feel like there isn't much to do other then tavern sit, hunt and spar. Even if you have a few 'personal' plots going its still very slow paced, and there really isn't anything to do but tavern sit, hunt or spar as you wait. Unless of course, you suddenly have an urge to find a 'kwel' and often quick way to die. For most people i bet mudsex is just a nice change of pace, and good for them. Hopefully it will keep them entertained until something more interesting is happening in their IC lives.
Mudsex is just thing to pass the time, like tavern sitting except no one accuses tavern sitters of being friendless in real life with no social life and needy of attention. Then again mudsex is just one of those things on the GBD that people like pokiing fun at, no different then how people whine over half-elves, mages and look spam. Seriously though, just looking at people without a good excuse infuriates them? [/derail] :-\
I don't understand the stigma about mudsex either, but mostly because it doesn't actually harm any other players. In general, players who mudsex are not doing it all the time - that would detract from the game as it pulls two (or more!) characters away from the general play area, depriving others of interacting with them. It's rare that my character is surrounded by others that are constantly having sex. However, I tend to think that characters' extended focus on personal plots (including mudsex) stems from the lack of other things to do. So, I invite people to break up those month-long orgies by doing something interesting in-game. It works.
Also, unless you're there, you can't really know if players are mudsexing, because a lot of "sex scenes" end up being FTB with talking beforehand and afterward, if only because there are a limited number of ways to describe the acts of [redacted]. There's no need to take various leaps in a train of thought to justify why someone mudsexes because there is no way to truly know - the only thing you can safely assume from an outsider's standpoint is whether or not they are comfortable with roleplaying sex, and even then you'd have to be in the same room with them.
I agree with 7DV in that the quoted post was an attempt at humor, but at the same time, there are probably people that actually think that. I don't think you're going to get many people to budge on it terribly much, and I'm pretty sure Mudsex is officially part of the Hate Cycle; but I think it helps to get things like this out there.
Sometimes at night when I'm under the sheets I cover myself in vaseline and pretend I'm a slug.
If something more interesting suddenly began to occur, say a zombie attack on a city. I'm pretty sure everyone would stop hunting, sparring and mudsexxing to see what all the commotion was about. People would barricade themselves in taverns not just sit in them too. Though if people got together to make something interesting happen like say a zombie attack for instance, i think some mudsex between the many RL year it would take to get it occur might still be needed just to pass the time. Just a little mudsex though, not too much. :)
I think it was Halaster I first saw post he wouldn't want to mud sex because he could do that in RL. Not picking on Large Bag here btw, i was writing my first post as they were posting theirs. Its a common argument though made by several people on this GBD. It could be that i'm so understanding of mudsex because I wouldn't be able go out and just have random sex with practical strangers in RL. I mean there are places for this, and prostitutes do seem plentiful and cheap but what would my friends think? What would our significant others and kids think? Heck what would our doctor think when we came back with all those STDs. Sex with random strangers you meet at taverns isn't something i could engage in RL unlike some of the brave studs on this GBD. In the same way i suppose i could manage to stab my old neighbor in the back as they garden but yet won't in RL but want to partake in it once in a while ICly. I could find someone, get married, buy a house and have some kids which coincidentally doesn't seem to happen that often in the game (Kudos to those that manage to pull it off ICly). You know what we can all also do in RL? Spar, hunt (with a bow too) and very easily head to your nearest tavern and/or pub and sit down to look at people. Yet we are all here playing this game, funny huh?
In closing, let me just say i think we all know what we need: A zombie attack. It is because its something non of us will ever get a chance to truly experience or go do in RL. So if a player has the time to dedicate a few solid years of their life to getting that going, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance ;D
Quote from: Jengal on July 03, 2012, 10:08:48 AM
Sometimes at night when I'm under the sheets I cover myself in vaseline and pretend I'm a slug.
You have won this GDB thread. Well, done sir, well done. :D
All of my characters that I actually put effort into have some sort of romantic relationship. I think the comedy made possible is great, especially when paired up with another clever player. :)
Me think they doth protest too much.
The people who joke and pick fun at mudsex the most are probably the ones doing it the most, or jealous because they want to be doing it but they're not.
I learned about sex on a mud (oops), which makes me a bit nervy that I could be RP'ing with a very young player.
I love the tension and drama that can come from sexual relationships, but my characters rarely have them. I also enjoy the nuances of RP surrounding them. But I'll FTB the 'gory' bits and I don't worry that this will harm my PC's relationship to another PC...because the caliber of roleplay here is very high and it -shouldn't-. I don't care if I'm upsetting the player behind the PC because he/she wanted to get their rocks off. But I also don't care if people do want to mudsex, so what? If it makes them happy then thats great. Personally, it usually takes ages to RP out a mudsex scene, and I have better more interesting things to do, and I find mudsex (the gory bit) pretty darn boring. But yeah, no one should be judged for it. The folks who get their kicks out of torturing and mutilating people...and crawling around in sewers eating rats...are way weirder.
The one thing that I really cannot stand is just regular relationships. Not if anyone else is doing it, but I just won't do it. I'm not going to spend my time RP'ing one half of a happy couple. It's possibly the most boring thing ever. If my characters are doing anything remotely sexual then it's always going to be because it's taboo, tense, emotional, dramatic or hilarious, and it should have implications their story that is more than just 'I got kanked last night'.
The thing about the quote in OP that bothered me the most was just the bit that suggested Arm players play because they have no life. I think , if anything, it would actually be the other way round. A lot of Arm players are very social and friendly people who do have social lives, family and friends. But sometimes neglect that in order to play Arm, because it's so damn addictive and there just aren't enough hours in the day.
I am here, adding that the few Arm players I know and or speak with outside of the game have better sex lives than most people I see and know personally.
assumptions are silly! Be nice to your fellow players. Some of them are quite surprisingly lovely and normal.
Quote from: boog on July 03, 2012, 12:07:20 PM
Some of them are quite surprisingly lovely and normal.
+1
Quote from: Maso on July 03, 2012, 11:51:37 AM
Me think they doth protest too much.
The people who joke and pick fun at mudsex the most are probably the ones doing it the most, or jealous because they want to be doing it but they're not.
I consider this as untrue, as its reverse:
People who claim mudsex is fine and normal and nothing is wrong with it and it's fun and an important part of roleplay - are probably the ones who are the most depraved in real life.
I find both statements to be equally untrue, because they are absolutes with no room for exception. For me, mudsex is uncomfortable because I can't stand the *possibility* (not the absolute), that the other person involved might very well be a 16-year-old teenager wanking off to text. Just the thought that this *might* be true, is enough to make me totally, utterly, and completely not interested.
When you're old enough to be grandma, these things are a necessary concern.
I'll PM you my character info if you wanna have a good time, Lizzie.
Quote from: Lizzie on July 03, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
For me, mudsex is uncomfortable because I can't stand the *possibility* (not the absolute), that the other person involved might very well be a 16-year-old teenager wanking off to text. Just the thought that this *might* be true, is enough to make me totally, utterly, and completely not interested.
Why is it that people always seem to get very distraught over sexual situations and the possibilities of minors seeing them, but not the thought of rping with them when they could be murdered/tortured/starved to death/dying of heat exhaustion?
Further, sex is a natural part of life. It's how most of us got here. Anyone who claims that they think little of mudsex because they could be doing "other" things...well, I don't see how it's any more ridiculous than role playing eating, drinking, or performing labor. It's no less ridiculous when you step back and look at it objectively. Yet here we all are.
Quote from: Lizzie on July 03, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
When you're old enough to be grandma, these things are a necessary concern.
What the conversation "should" be (and probably never will be):
OOC: Consent to sex?
OOC: I am legally a minor in my jurisdiction, and am unable to provide consent. FTB, please.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/575773_391498704243638_283226442_n.jpg)
I hope Adj was joking cause I know one of his characters got more ass than a toilet seat... which means.. he must REALLY be lonely and sexually lacking in real life.
This is just a big ol' Adj troll, it's the same thing he tried in another thread about 'Double Standards' (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,43728.msg691695.html#msg691695) and honestly, he's ruining the fun of a threat by trying to be a dumb smart ass.
Quote from: ShaLeah on July 03, 2012, 01:37:42 PM
I hope Adj was joking cause I know one of his characters got more ass than a toilet seat... which means.. he must REALLY be lonely and sexually lacking in real life.
Well, I have the answer to that.
Quote from: AdjOOCly: I slept with a girl with an STD and didn't get one.
ICly: my character slep with a girl without an STD and got one.
So if Lizzie knew someone was an adult, she could potentially show them text so explicit it would put the internet to shame and be probably be banned in several states as obscene material?
Well even a degenerate like me can understand that children need to be protected from that!
After all:
(https://damnisteppedinpoo.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/pic-1-think-of-the-children.jpg)
Joking aside, i do want to add that her argument is probably the most valid and reasonable with exception to the fact that the graphic violence and explicit torture in the game should be more of a concern than reading that the penis is going into the vagina. Just the society we live in i guess.
Yes, sex is natural and fun.
No, a 50-something woman encouraging a 15-year-old boy to masturbate is not natural or fun. Or at least, it shouldn't be. It's repulsive. To me, it's repulsive. The idea that this -might- happen, is enough to disgust me into a FTB.
Also, IsFriday, PM me with your character details. I'll get the whipped escru cream and we'll meet on the balcony tomorrow. Leave the lube in the Templar Quarter. You won't need it :)
Lube... a lump of greasy gurth fat?
Quote from: Lizzie on July 03, 2012, 03:40:35 PM
No, a 50-something woman any 18+ female encouraging a 15-year-old boy to masturbate is not natural or fun. Or at least, it shouldn't be. It's repulsive. To me, it's repulsive. The idea that this -might- happen, is enough to disgust me into a FTB.
This. Basically my only issue with IG sexy stuff. Otherwise, I do think it's fine really and some people definitely find it fun so good on them. However, I disagree that means I'm deprived...cause I'm really not. But then, I do FTB. But there have been a smattering of occasions that I haven't...and I wasn't deprived then either.
We need more threads where us cool kids can subtly tell the nerds that we're having sex IRL 8)
Quote from: Malken on July 03, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
We need more threads where us cool kids can subtly tell the nerds that we're having sex IRL 8)
8)
Quote from: Malken on July 03, 2012, 04:03:38 PM
We need more threads where us cool kids can subtly tell the nerds that we're having sex IRL 8)
Subtly? ::)
When someone says 'You can only think X if you're Y' but you're not Y...then you're probably going to say so. Most of us are all grown up, I imagine most of us get laid, at least some times.
I think I'm going to start a blog detailing my sexual life and post the link in my sig.
Quote from: Is Friday on July 03, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
I think I'm going to start a blog detailing my sexual life and post the link in my sig.
8)
I've never mudsex'd - it's just not for me I guess. I don't care what other people do go have fun with it and all the power to you but...
The internet has tainted me...
This is all I can think of when I hear anything about mudsex:
QuoteI put on my robe and wizard hat.
Quote from: Is Friday on July 03, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
I think I'm going to start a blog detailing my sexual life and post the link in my sig.
I will live vicariously through this blog!
Quote from: Dresan on July 03, 2012, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: Is Friday on July 03, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
I think I'm going to start a blog detailing my sexual life and post the link in my sig.
I will live vicariously through this blog!
I'll try to get something off in a few days' time.
Quote from: Is Friday on July 03, 2012, 04:41:22 PM
Quote from: Dresan on July 03, 2012, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: Is Friday on July 03, 2012, 04:20:12 PM
I think I'm going to start a blog detailing my sexual life and post the link in my sig.
I will live vicariously through this blog!
I'll try to get something off in a few days' time.
If that's the sex life you'll be detailing, worst blog ever.
Nah, that'd be mine: a brief flurry of updates to start and then a multi-year drought. Talk about schedule slip.
I can understand a lot of these problems, but I want to ensure I point out that there's two different things we're discussing here.
There's "I don't like mudsex because it detracts from the game in some fashion," which is totally valid. I remember a clan getting so involved in locked-up orgies that everyone got massacred for their depravity (a very, very long time ago). I think it's OK to occasionally have a character who goes against standard documentation to get laid (the relatively ubiquitous 'exception to the rule'), but it's not necessarily OK to have a character act *unlike that character acts* to get laid. On one hand, while I agree that people doing nothing but banging CAN detract from people doing interesting things outside of their apartments, in the end I've found that ultimately the people who bang a lot of strangers have an affect that's a lot like people banging a lot of strangers in real life: they are walking drama storms. I have seen WAY more murders, scheming, and other nefarious, wicked plotting (that to my libertine brain seems WAY over the top, but hey) over people having sex than I have over almost any other thing in the game.
The other side of it (and what I was trying to address), was "I think people who engage in mudsex are losers," and this is what bothers me. It's OK to stigmatise people in-game for fucking. It's OK to stigmatise people in-game for just about *anything*, matter-of-fact, but when it spills over to making judgments about the player it starts to crawl under my skin and get to me. This is *probably* a semi-personal issue for me, as a lot of what I do is try to de-stigmatise sex (in real life, anyway), and when people are being judged based upon *pretend things they've written about in a roleplaying game*, it becomes maddening. Fortunately, nobody in this thread has taken up this position at all (perhaps because they realise that the thread would be a somewhat hostile environment for them to do so in), so I don't have a lot to say about it -- but I wanted to make the distinction.
Also:
Quote from: Jengal on July 03, 2012, 10:08:48 AM
Sometimes at night when I'm under the sheets I cover myself in vaseline and pretend I'm a slug.
Just so long as you don't bring mention of 'the box' here, we're fine. Mark my words, though, one mention of it and I will come for you.
I went on a date last night with a girl who admits proudly to being a 25 year old virgin. I confessed I wasn't 'that guy,' but I did tell her that I can understand her commitment. Just like dear brytta. What people do outside of the game isn't really anyone's business, and if your intent is just to ridicule others to make yourself feel better ... Guess what? You're probably insecure.
I think the dude was joking, though. I mean, why else would you derail a thread that's essentially a goofy list?
Also, IG is IG. Just keep it there, damn.
Lastly, I agree with Lizzie. But that's just me, being a parent. I have and will mudsex when it is right for the PC, and I can accurately gauge my opponent's partner's maturity.
I love the GDB. :)
I'm sure I'm not the only player that's played their characters less kinky than they are IRL. It really seems like a non-issue, though I can understand the positions like "ew, what if it's a minor" and "PCs I like/need to play with, please stop spending all of your time at the Tembo's Tooth :'(".
Quote from: Creslin on July 03, 2012, 04:28:54 PM
The internet has tainted me...
This is all I can think of when I hear anything about mudsex:
QuoteI put on my robe and wizard hat.
I sometimes say this when me and my
RL BOYFRIEND are
MAKING OUT IRL. But he doesn't get the joke because he's really not very nerdy at all. Well he is, but he's nerdy for different stuff. :(
We probably need a thread where we can all post our handgun carry permit just to show other players that we're really over 18 years old.
Handgun permit? ::)
I played this cute little MMORPG once (Dofus). And in order to access things that weren't censored (it was really rude at all, but to be able to chat freely etc), you actually had to scan in and send your passport along with other documents to prove your edge...because of French laws governing minors etc.
Was mental. I didn't bother.
Quote from: Samoa on July 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
It's OK to stigmatise people in-game for just about *anything*, matter-of-fact, but when it spills over to making judgments about the player it starts to crawl under my skin and get to me.
I think the thing people need to understand is that no matter what type of RP someone delves into IG, it is not a direct reflection of their actions or who they are in the real world - and this is a distinction that is lost on many people.
Saying that a player who mudsexes a lot must have no IRL sex life is akin to saying a player who doesn't partake in combat IG and doesn't kill people IG must kill people IRL. It's a logical fallacy that makes absolutely no sense.
Quote from: Maso on July 03, 2012, 05:04:18 PM
I played this cute little MMORPG once (Dofus).
Sorry for the off-topic post but just have to say this... I LOVED Dofus. And the absurd amount of sexual innuendo was hilarious.
I also very much enjoyed Wakfu and subscribed at release, but it was way too grindy for my liking and that's when I went back to MUDs and started playing ARM. (And don't regret it one bit!)
I'm a Tactical RPG Fanatic... :P
OK. Sorry, back to the topic at hand!
Quote from: Creslin on July 03, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: Maso on July 03, 2012, 05:04:18 PM
I played this cute little MMORPG once (Dofus).
Sorry for the off-topic post but just have to say this... I LOVED Dofus. And the absurd amount of sexual innuendo was hilarious.
I also very much enjoyed Wakfu and subscribed at release, but it was way too grindy for my liking and that's when I went back to MUDs and started playing ARM. (And don't regret it one bit!)
I'm a Tactical RPG Fanatic... :P
OK. Sorry, back to the topic at hand!
Yeaaaah, I loved it too! But it was way grindy....and then it also became VERY expensive...and that put me way off.
Sexual INNUENDO? I once had to find a 'used condom' for a quest. 0.o Early days that.
We just need a "sex" thread. So all this stuff can be put in one easy to ignore place.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 03, 2012, 06:25:12 PM
We just need a "sex" thread. So all this stuff can be put in one easy to ignore place.
RGS obviously isn't getting any. >.>
Quote from: Maso on July 03, 2012, 06:33:54 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on July 03, 2012, 06:25:12 PM
We just need a "sex" thread. So all this stuff can be put in one easy to ignore place.
RGS obviously isn't getting any. >.>
Nah, he's over-mud-sexed because he casted Lvl. 8 Cock of the Infinite with Permanency and now he's sick of doing it, reading about, doing it, hearing about it and doing it.
Haha, I know what RGS is into, but I'll never tell. That conversation on Tinychat was hilarious, though.
Quote from: Creslin on July 03, 2012, 04:28:54 PM
QuoteI put on my robe and wizard hat.
For those of you too young to get the reference/uncool/boring/not getting any mudsex:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/bloodninja
I like to role-play out a relationship. Not just the raunchy boning, but all the fun and boring stuff in between.
I want the character I get involved with (if my character gets involved with another character) to take my character out shopping and make my character carry all the bags. I want to take my character's partner(s) out on dates, recite terrible poetry to them or say all manner of raunchy things to them. I want my character and their companion to go out on rides through the world and get into zany adventures and ideally survive them (but sometimes not :'().
I like to sit in rooms, populated with PCs and hemote goofy bullshit with my character's lover(s). I love seeing other PCs in a relationship hemoting. I enjoy bickering and squabbling IC.
This is the narrative, the story, I like to tell when I involve my character with another in a relationship.
Some players play characters that get involved with other characters for relationships and those interactions are solely just sex and good for them, I won't judge. But I would argue, like Samoa, that even in those 'just sex' interactions there is characterization going on.
Me? I'm not ashamed of the fact that I mudsex (just that I'm very bad at it...)
I have mudsexed, I have faded to black, and I'll continue to do both at my comfort and the comfort of my character's partner's player (if/when my character has a partner.)
Because I'm not here for the sex. I'm here for the story.
And honestly, I think everyone else virtually boning out there is perfectly fine OOC. Hump on, and here's to future humpings!
I don't really get squeamish roleplaying sex or violence. I don't really get off on it either though. As other people have noted, the internet is a big place and there are much better things to put in the wank bank.
I've had very sexual characters both when I've been in and out of satisfying relationships, so that steroetype is a little silly to me too. Sex is pretty important to most things that don't procreate by division. So it has varying degrees of importance to most of my characters. Mostly it's just another aspect to roleplay to varying degrees, something that gives a character flavor. Mine definitely don't spend ALL their time mudsexing. That would be impossible.
I don't really get being all judgmental about it in either direction. Some people don't want to play out those sorts of relationships for whatever reason, or want to fade, and I think it's all valid. I do think more people are ambivalent than judgmental, though, so I don't worry about it. There's always going to be a few people that want to point fingers be judgmental or construable as judgment on just about any topic.
Quote from: Samoa on July 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
... I remember a clan getting so involved in locked-up orgies that everyone got massacred for their depravity (a very, very long time ago).
I remember that as well. wow. I forgot about it! Didn't they have special candles too?
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Quote from: Samoa on July 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
... I remember a clan getting so involved in locked-up orgies that everyone got massacred for their depravity (a very, very long time ago).
I remember that as well. wow. I forgot about it! Didn't they have special candles too?
I would have been there, but sadly, I died before it reached that point.
Mudsex is fine as long as they're in the missionary position.
i don't know if you guys know this but adj is actually like a giant idiot.
like
really
really
stupid
Unfortunately, it's been noted, and not just by you.
Quote from: Morrolan on July 03, 2012, 11:57:11 PM
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Quote from: Samoa on July 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
... I remember a clan getting so involved in locked-up orgies that everyone got massacred for their depravity (a very, very long time ago).
I remember that as well. wow. I forgot about it! Didn't they have special candles too?
I would have been there, but sadly, I died before it reached that point.
I would actually love to hear this story.
Edit: not to hear about the kink they were up to. But just to learn -how- it resulted in a complete massacre.
i'd like to hear both.
;o
I like to think it was a break out of Exploding Crotch Boils. Them orgies can be right unsanitary.
Quote from: Jingo on July 04, 2012, 01:54:39 AM
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Quote from: Samoa on July 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
... I remember a clan getting so involved in locked-up orgies that everyone got massacred for their depravity (a very, very long time ago).
I remember that as well. wow. I forgot about it! Didn't they have special candles too?
I would have been there, but sadly, I died before it reached that point.
I would actually love to hear this story.
Edit: not to hear about the kink they were up to. But just to learn -how- it resulted in a complete massacre.
Probably best saved as "find out IC."
You know....
In a game where we have mud-murder, mud-theft, mud-treason, and mud-torture, I'm always surprised that the mud-sex RPer is always the ones targeted as somehow aberrant...
C'mon, guys, think about it.
Exactly my point.
Quote from: Maso on July 04, 2012, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: Malken on July 04, 2012, 10:17:51 PM
Oops.. Let me re-write that.
???
Sorry, I hit Post by mistake in mid-sentence, but now I think I forgot what I wanted to say.. I think I need a nap, please carry on!
Something about CSI censoring any nudity but spending an hour a night at 8pm explaining how the victim's throat had been slashed and then gutted and then his eyeballs were.. Well, you know.
Society is weird.
Quote from: Samoa on July 04, 2012, 03:56:57 AM
Quote from: Jingo on July 04, 2012, 01:54:39 AM
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Quote from: Samoa on July 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
... I remember a clan getting so involved in locked-up orgies that everyone got massacred for their depravity (a very, very long time ago).
I remember that as well. wow. I forgot about it! Didn't they have special candles too?
I would have been there, but sadly, I died before it reached that point.
I would actually love to hear this story.
Edit: not to hear about the kink they were up to. But just to learn -how- it resulted in a complete massacre.
Probably best saved as "find out IC."
Find out IC is a GDB joke when it comes to this stuff for couple reasons:
1. Players that know what happened ICly, are probably playing character that have no idea so they won't be able to tell you.
2. The staff is not likely to jump on an npc and tell you a cool story that happened in the past, ICly either. At least, its never happened to me and it is unlikely it will be this story.
3. For a lot of people playing this game, their idea of telling a good story goes something like this: "Something bad happened there. Spar time." Then they pat themselves on the back thinking they have told a riveting tale to that person. Therefore should you find someone that that knows OOCly and has reason to know ICly, don't expect to get an answer. People still hold on to their secrets until they die in this game, and if they are forced to talk, even then they are often very vague.
Basically right now what i some people will do is ask their friends OOCly and maybe get a told a good funny story that way. This is another thread altogether though and a slight derail (I apologize). It doesn't apply to world knowledge and other information especially recent events in the game but it does apply to a lot of things people state 'Find out IC'. I feel at least. :-\
Quote from: Samoa on July 04, 2012, 03:56:57 AM
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Quote from: Samoa on July 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
... I remember a clan getting so involved in locked-up orgies that everyone got massacred for their depravity (a very, very long time ago).
I remember that as well. wow. I forgot about it! Didn't they have special candles too?
I would have been there, but sadly, I died before it reached that point.
I would actually love to hear this story.
Edit: not to hear about the kink they were up to. But just to learn -how- it resulted in a complete massacre.
Probably best saved as "find out IC."
Not sure how this applies, since I doubt there is secret information involved.
Unless this is meant to be tongue in cheek. And I sure revel in hedonism just to find out how it could lead to my character's demise. In which case....
If it does apply, people who know can't explain how without violation.
Quote from: Samoa on July 03, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
Just so long as you don't bring mention of 'the box' here, we're fine. Mark my words, though, one mention of it and I will come for you.
fuck you forever, i'd forgotten :(
What's with the box?
Quote from: spicemustflow on July 05, 2012, 06:02:26 AM
What's with the box?
It's a reddit...
thing. We will not mention it here.
It;s already been mentioned. You can't tease people like that...
You know what's better than boxes?
Doritos...
And now I really wish I hadn't just typed those words into Google.
Alright, I'm done with derailing this a bit and really put my two cents in.
So, I've done this pretty recently for the first time ever in all my days of roleplaying. First time ever going farther than "my best mate" RP as well. And I noticed something interesting.
I understand why people would want to do it. It's not that they are into cybering - it's that comes hand in hand with relationships. Close relationships are extremely useful for vastly fleshing your character out to someone to someone you otherwise couldn't. Like secrets, habits etc. that you'd really like to expand on, but can't with a someone who is just a good friend.
My mind, oh god my mind. WHY WOULD HE DO THAT.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on July 09, 2012, 12:51:14 AM
Alright, I'm done with derailing this a bit and really put my two cents in.
So, I've done this pretty recently for the first time ever in all my days of roleplaying. First time ever going farther than "my best mate" RP as well. And I noticed something interesting.
I understand why people would want to do it. It's not that they are into cybering - it's that comes hand in hand with relationships. Close relationships are extremely useful for vastly fleshing your character out to someone to someone you otherwise couldn't. Like secrets, habits etc. that you'd really like to expand on, but can't with a someone who is just a good friend.
You can still get that depth and FTB. While I pretty much avoid most romantic stuff in Arm, there is a time and a place, and it's usually a pretty big part of peoples lives - so it makes sense. But you can definitely achieve that depth when you work out 'how far' you're willing to go and then FTB the rest (with OOC details if you want to point out any idiosyncratic quirks). I don't judge people that enjoy it, nor question why they enjoy it! I just worry about kids and perves. Plus...there's only so many words for 'penis'.
Fading is a useful tool to make sure you get the time you want to spend on the before / after parts of such roleplay even if you're not averse to the middle parts.
What is this, Taxicab Confessional for Mudsex?
Quote from: Is Friday on August 08, 2012, 08:21:59 PM
What is this, Taxicab Confessional for Mudsex?
No...it's a thread dedicated to debating the topic of mudsex.
So glad whoever resurrected this thread. Very entertaining.
I've been happily, delightfully married for 32 years.
For a lot of years I avoided that kind of relationship in games. Then for a couple of years, I did the FTB or Fast Forward thing. For less than a year, I've been letting things go all the way through.
I find I enjoy developing that facet of my PC, just like I enjoy developing all the other facets. I don't do it with all my PCs, some of them have virtual families or prefer prostitutes or whatever, just to give me a break from the demands of that kind of relationship and all its consequences. But it's just one more way to make your guy real. And FTB works for me too, but it's not as baring, you don't have to create so very much. So much, though, depends on your partner and how they challenge you, like any other intense scene.
I do worry about it being a kid, and I try to find out beforehand by the quality of their RP (I don't mean how good it is, I mean how mature it is) . But I've been fooled before by precocious kids (luckily no mudsex!). I had an issue for awhile with staff the age of my kid snooping on me doing that stuff...honestly that's still kind of weird for me. But I suspect they see so much of it, it's of little interest.
Quote from: Refugee on August 08, 2012, 10:04:42 PM
But I suspect they see so much of it, it's of little interest.
It's probably the reason they app'd for staff. ::)
Quote from: Maso on August 08, 2012, 10:57:16 PM
Quote from: Refugee on August 08, 2012, 10:04:42 PM
But I suspect they see so much of it, it's of little interest.
It's probably the reason they app'd for staff. ::)
;D
Quote from: Maso on August 08, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
there's only so many words for 'penis'.
We found the one player out there who hasn't RPed with me, I see.
It's funny because it's true.
Ther are only so many words for penis ... but we have not yet begun to even scratch the surface of simalies, and analogies.
Armageddon needs more kennings.
Hrmmmmmmmm...
Quote from: musashi on August 09, 2012, 06:32:30 AM
Ther are only so many words for penis ... but we have not yet begun to even scratch the surface of simalies, and analogies.
Quote from: Ten Things I Hate About You (1999 movie)
Ms. Perky: [writing her novel] Undulating with desire, Adrian removes her red...
[breaks concentration, chooses another word]
Ms. Perky: crimson cape, at the site of Reginal's stiff and... Judith! What's another word for "engorged"?
Judith: [disgusted] I'll look it up.
Ms. Perky: Okay.
[thinking of word]
Ms. Perky: Swollen... Turgid...
Kat Stratford: [enters] Tumescent?
Ms. Perky: Perfect!
Turgid... Thats a new one... You know, my vocabulary has expanded in leaps and bounds since I started playing this game... Lol
There's actually 400 words for penis, google it, yo.
Quote from: Malken on August 09, 2012, 11:45:45 PM
There's actually 400 words for penis, google it, yo.
Like I said. Not enough.
I don't mind what you do or don't do. It's your choice. I don't know why this shit is such a big deal. I mean, if all you do is play for mudsex, maybe you should tone it down a lil bit, but otherwise I don't see it being as big of a problem as people make it out to be!
Quote from: boog on August 10, 2012, 09:03:01 AM
I don't mind what you do or don't do. It's your choice. I don't know why this shit is such a big deal. I mean, if all you do is play for mudsex, maybe you should tone it down a lil bit, but otherwise I don't see it being as big of a problem as people make it out to be!
Someone said in game that those that act the most uptight are often the dirtiest in their kenku-carved chest of uppity-ness. They need a nice kanking!
Tone it down? Hah!
I really do not care one way or the other. I'm fine fading to black or playing it out so long as consent is asked etc. The only time I have problem with it is when you see unrealistic role play or when you see pcs stripping down naked in obviously public places or fidgeting with themselves with hemotes or being more obvious about it without asking for consent but at that point you should drop a line to staff and let them deal with it. I think personal relationships are very important part of a fully fleshed out PC. That said I try to avoid people that make it their sole purpose to their RP like the plague.
I have to disagree with fidgeting! I remember a certain, Rinthi bynner a couple years ago hemoting out a boner when he saw two non-nobles that worked for Kadius dressed in silk. It was the best thing ever, and I laughed for days. I mean - he wasn't naked, and it wasn't an overt boner hemote ... but it was great. And hilarious. And appropriate.
Quote from: boog on August 10, 2012, 04:09:34 PM
I have to disagree with fidgeting! I remember a certain, Rinthi bynner a couple years ago hemoting out a boner when he saw two non-nobles that worked for Kadius dressed in silk. It was the best thing ever, and I laughed for days. I mean - he wasn't naked, and it wasn't an overt boner hemote ... but it was great. And hilarious. And appropriate.
See thats okay...and awesome at times but their is a line. I caught some really horribly vulgar shit once and I won't repeat it but it was consent worthy IMHO.
File a complaint next time.
You can have sex in this game?!?!
I mudsexed Clint once in the backroom of the Sanctuary - no lie.
That's all I have to say about that.
Quote from: Bast on August 10, 2012, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: boog on August 10, 2012, 04:09:34 PM
I have to disagree with fidgeting! I remember a certain, Rinthi bynner a couple years ago hemoting out a boner when he saw two non-nobles that worked for Kadius dressed in silk. It was the best thing ever, and I laughed for days. I mean - he wasn't naked, and it wasn't an overt boner hemote ... but it was great. And hilarious. And appropriate.
See thats okay...and awesome at times but their is a line. I caught some really horribly vulgar shit once and I won't repeat it but it was consent worthy IMHO.
There is a line, but it's kind of a grey area. If you think something is "too much", ooc for the player to stop. If they continue, wish up or send in a complaint and that player will be reprimanded. The only time where you absolutely must ask for ooc consent is for a rape scene:
Quote from: The RulesApart from the requirement that people roleplay realistically here, there are few restrictions on roleplay in Armageddon. If you choose to roleplay adult situations, that is fine. However, before instigating such an act with another player, please OOC to make sure that the roleplay is consented to. If someone is instigating roleplay that makes you (the player) uncomfortable, please OOC that they should stop. If they continue despite being told to stop, please wish up.
I have run into more disturbing things in this game than mudsex. Actually I think the sex part seems rather normal. One should not judge either way, it's rather arrogant to do so.
Quote from: kayza on August 12, 2012, 11:20:32 PM
I have run into more disturbing things in this game than mudsex. Actually I think the sex part seems rather normal. One should not judge either way, it's rather arrogant to do so.
It's a hot and interesting spot to debate on the GDB, doesn't really have anything to do with the game.
Personally?
Usually if a character mudsexes somehow, it's usually really late after I'm done doing important shit for the day, and I just want to go to sleep IRL so I FTB. If I don't, I'll fall asleep IRL during because it's pretty boring.
I think it mudsex happens because there isn't a whole lot of documentation.
What I mean is, for a PC to be well rounded they're going to have friends and family. But, there isn't a lot of docs/ GDB help to guide a player in alternatives to "I'm an orphan" or stories about late nights in lonely desert sands with only a kank for comfort.
Part of the reason I think it all gets played out is "what do you think they do?" type banter where players try to define relationships w/o breaking IC.
Kind of like what Adamblue said -- it's often done after other IC work is finished.
** which, btw, probably makes it so difficult to play an actual whore/concubine in game when really it shouldn't be a whole lot different than playing a preforming bard.
Quote from: My 2 sids on August 29, 2012, 12:02:31 PM
I think it mudsex happens because there isn't a whole lot of documentation.
What I mean is, for a PC to be well rounded they're going to have friends and family. But, there isn't a lot of docs/ GDB help to guide a player in alternatives to "I'm an orphan" or stories about late nights in lonely desert sands with only a kank for comfort.
Part of the reason I think it all gets played out is "what do you think they do?" type banter where players try to define relationships w/o breaking IC.
Kind of like what Adamblue said -- it's often done after other IC work is finished.
** which, btw, probably makes it so difficult to play an actual whore/concubine in game when really it shouldn't be a whole lot different than playing a preforming bard.
.. I'm trying very hard not to say anything bad about a certain number of bards here, but from what I've gathered.. It doesn't -appear- to me as if their roles keep them busy 24/7.
Mudsex is, has been, and always will be a much bigger issue on the GDB that it is in the game.
Just sayin'. ;)
Quote from: FantasyWriter on August 30, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
Mudsex is, has been, and always will be a much bigger issue on the GDB that it is in the game.
Just sayin'. ;)
This, totally this. What's with all the discussion threads? I don't get any other topic gets dissected nearly as much!
Some of you are skirting disaster for this thread. Stay on topic. Play nice. Or get the lock-down fairy all up in your grill.
Yay I am going to talk about mudsex, omg.
Here are my thoughts:
Personally, I have no qualms about emoted mudsex. To me it has nothing to do with real sex and everything to do with a character. Would this character do that? Why or why not? Does this make them more interesting? Does this up the stakes in this situation? I cannot tell you how many accidental plots I've stumbled into by answering a cat call at a tavern (both on this game and on others). I would have never gotten entangled in interesting, dramatic storylines if I had said "Shove off, I don't do that." to any player sniffing around mine.
I also have no problem with people who want to fade to black or simply refrain from romantic RP. I never just sat and scoffed going "Fade to black? Pishaw! That is not as much fun!" Some people aren't comfortable or just straight up don't want to RP out sex. It isn't entertaining to them, so why try and push someone to do something that isn't fun or constructive? This is a game, afterall, and should be fun to play.
I shall spin you a tale, from a different game I played, and how mudsex contributed to a HUGE storyline. I played a courtesan. Not just any courtesan. The only courtesan in the game at the time (besides my boss, who didn't take clients). And a -real- courtesan, not a hooker (There is a difference, dangit!) ANYWAY, needless to say, my character was ballin' and decked out in the finest gear because I had oooooodles of money from being... well from doing my job. I was also friends with a good chunk of the playerbase (and enemies with a few as well), as I was often hired not just for *cough cough* "entertainment" but company and dates as well. I found out sooooo many IC secrets from clients with loose lips. I even gained enough status that when an emissary from my race roled up (another player) and started trying to talk down to her, they found themselves a pariah amongst the other players and such. He thought because so-and-so has mudsex, he must be above them. He forgot I only was rolling in coin because THOSE players he was counting on backing him were forking their money over to me. I even had a hit put out on her because she was THAT influential. All because I was a courtesan who mudsexed (and found out a TON of secrets that way). I never would have been involved in that kind of stuff if I hadn't uhhh... learned to RP something different.
I do have one problem with mudsex: the little-too-long awkward pauses. Yeeeah... those are a bit creepy. Maybe someone is making a sandwich, or watching a movie and got distracted. Or maybe they are doing something else... that's what my brain always thinks. So please be polite and try and focus, or at least drop a "gone making a sandwich" command in there. There is nothing worse than a creeper, because frankly, I just start playing solitare or Mahjong. Or just find a reason to leave.
Quote from: Belimedra on September 05, 2012, 03:36:14 AM
I do have one problem with mudsex: the little-too-long awkward pauses. Yeeeah... those are a bit creepy. Maybe someone is making a sandwich, or watching a movie and got distracted. Or maybe they are doing something else... that's what my brain always thinks.
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So you exercised far more political power and economic power than should be feasible for a courtesan by appealing to nerds who wanted to roleplay sex? Got it. Makes for "good" plots.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 05, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
So you exercised far more political power and economic power than should be feasible for a courtesan by appealing to nerds who wanted to roleplay sex? Got it. Makes for "good" plots.
Play nice, freckle face.
Don't underestimate the power of the courtesan.
Really, though. Laugh at it, but courtesans have wielded much more power than you seem to think.
Quote from: Is Friday on September 05, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
So you exercised far more political power and economic power than should be feasible for a courtesan by appealing to nerds who wanted to roleplay sex? Got it. Makes for "good" plots.
I was going to
play a nonmundane noble
build a new city
make a new encampment
dig a cave
invent a telescope
learn to read
buy a metal ring
start a new clan
breed muls
make a wagon... but then I realized my practical limitations as a player, so I decided to stick with that instead. ;)
Quote from: Is Friday on September 05, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
So you exercised far more political power and economic power than should be feasible for a courtesan by appealing to nerds who wanted to roleplay sex? Got it. Makes for "good" plots.
War of Troy happened over a woman. In ancient times 'and' now, sexual wiles had a huuge amount of indirect influence.
QuoteAll because I was a courtesan who mudsexed (and found out a TON of secrets that way).
See, this is why you should always kill your partner after mudsex. Practice safe mudsex, plotters.
People want it both ways though:
They want a PC society that thinks nothing of one-night-stands and multiple partners
But, they want to play PCs who can sleep their way into power and form plots around relationships.
Shouldn't work that way.
Rome thought nothing of one-night-stands and multiple partners. In Rome, some women slept their way to power and relationships were often the source of intrigue.
I'd make some sort of insulting picture of this, but really, just because having sex with more than one person doesn't need to be a big deal doesn't mean that sex in general is never a big deal. My characters wouldn't mind if their (if applicable) mate would sleep with someone else, but if this 'someone else' was a mutant 'gicker foreign thieving breed, things would be different.
Also, at the same time, people form attachments. I mean, Zalanthas is shitty and gritty, and if someone's a good lay and watches out for you and you're from absolute poverty but this person represents a glimmer of something more, why wouldn't you be with them or at least, take them for as much as you can?
Quote from: boog on September 05, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
Also, at the same time, people form attachments. I mean, Zalanthas is shitty and gritty, and if someone's a good lay and watches out for you and you're from absolute poverty but this person represents a glimmer of something more, why wouldn't you be with them or at least, take them for as much as you can?
Goes both ways, too. I reckon you're more likely to be more candid with such a partner, trusting them to help carry your weight, thus facilitating the spread of secrets. A courtesan that builds up long relationships with clients, playing off their affections, is much more dangerous than some anonymous lay.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 05, 2012, 09:17:12 PM
Quote from: boog on September 05, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
Also, at the same time, people form attachments. I mean, Zalanthas is shitty and gritty, and if someone's a good lay and watches out for you and you're from absolute poverty but this person represents a glimmer of something more, why wouldn't you be with them or at least, take them for as much as you can?
Goes both ways, too. I reckon you're more likely to be more candid with such a partner, trusting them to help carry your weight, thus facilitating the spread of secrets. A courtesan that builds up long relationships with clients, playing off their affections, is much more dangerous than some anonymous lay.
Oh, definitely, sure. But I mean - it's all pretty possible. People shouldn't be so critical. They should just play the game.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 05, 2012, 09:17:12 PM
Quote from: boog on September 05, 2012, 09:08:10 PM
Also, at the same time, people form attachments. I mean, Zalanthas is shitty and gritty, and if someone's a good lay and watches out for you and you're from absolute poverty but this person represents a glimmer of something more, why wouldn't you be with them or at least, take them for as much as you can?
Goes both ways, too. I reckon you're more likely to be more candid with such a partner, trusting them to help carry your weight, thus facilitating the spread of secrets. A courtesan that builds up long relationships with clients, playing off their affections, is much more dangerous than some anonymous lay.
That is -exactly- what happened on this game. My courtesan was a powerhouse NOT just because she mudsexed. I had clients who just wanted to sit around and talk, or even have her tutor them in magic (again, different game, so magic was not taboo). People trusted (we'll call her Jane) because she was sweet, charming and kind. She listened to them, talked with them about their problems. A nice shoulder to cry on... among other things. I ended up knowing a LOT of stuff because and could have used it to blackmail a LOT of people if I was so inclined. She didn't, which is what kept people coming back and dropping coin just to get to talk with her. It wasn't that I was the only person mudsexing in the game. There were TONS of other people doing that.
The "emmissary" that rolled up thought he could come in and treat people like crap and that everyone would fall all overthemselves for him. When Jane stood up to him after he made some crass remark about her and then she publically refused him as a client, the playerbase shifted with Jane. She was dangerous in that she knew a LOT of stuff. People wouldn't mess with her because they know they had given her a lot of power that way. Which is why there was a hit put out on her. (The end of that story is I got so frustrated because my PC bodyguard was stronger than the assassins, so they kept dragging their feet, so I just got bored and stopped playing).
I personally think the real problem is simply this-
There is not enough cuddling in Armageddon. Nobody wants to have sex. Sex is boring. Cuddling is interesting. Are they a possessive cuddler? Do they like to kiss? Do they like it better facing you or putting their back to you? Do they play with your hair? Do they look you in the eye? Do you cuddle clothed, semi-clothed, or unclothed?
All of these things say something about a character.
If they are really possessive, wrapping you up really tight and curling over you, putting legs around you, that means they really like you and they want you close. They want to hug you until they cannot hug anymore.
If they like to kiss, then perhaps they're hungry, or starved for affection. If you're a concubine and your mated client is kissing you, then it's not just some kinda casual sex, their mate has likely abandoned them in a sense.
If they turn away from you, it either means your breath smells terrible or they're tired and want to go to sleep.
If they face you, then they're more likely going to be awake and ready for conversation.
If they play with your hair, then they're being playful and they want to maybe bother you a little to get your attention better.
If they look you in the eye, then they're happy they're with you. If they don't, then they're probably dreading it.
Clothed cuddling is a social acceptable as long as there's a minimum between flesh touching and visible, excluding hands.
Semi-clothed cuddling is socially acceptable in 'looser' establishments, usually ones with whores and strippers of sorts. Expect half of it going on being lapdances.
Nude cuddling is between lovers, and is usually kept private, unless you're exhibitionists or your clothes were stolen.
Adam, I think you're right.
The thing is there is general relationship knowledge (the kind Docs represent if we had such documentation)
And people have to remember some PCs would want to use sex as a weapon and some would want mates (as in families, often kept monogamous to keep bloodline pure) and some would want to simply find a bit of happiness in a an otherwise short/joyless life.
I think that's what players have to keep in mind -- different PCs would want different things. Mudsex should reflect the PC.
I honestly thought Adam was joking. Adam, you're totally joking, right?
Joking?
JOKING?
NO. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE FUCKING CUDDLING IN THIS FUCKING GAME GRURUAUAUAUGH MUL RAGE
(I am being kind of serious, cuddling is an important part of a relationship. But so is betrayal and lying and backstabbing!)
i.e. you can reveal a lot about the nature of relationships through PG13 stuff without having to get graphic and gory.
You should have to ask consent to discuss this thread on the GDB - I didn't consent, I don't want to see it.
Quote from: Shepard on September 24, 2012, 09:28:16 PM
You should have to ask consent to discuss this thread on the GDB - I didn't consent, I don't want to see it.
Hush up you wank.
Quote from: Recharge on September 24, 2012, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: Shepard on September 24, 2012, 09:28:16 PM
You should have to ask consent to discuss this thread on the GDB - I didn't consent, I don't want to see it.
Hush up you wank.
That was rude and uncalled for - I'm upset now, I hope you live well with yourself knowing you hurt my feelings. Thanks!
Quote from: Shepard on September 24, 2012, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: Recharge on September 24, 2012, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: Shepard on September 24, 2012, 09:28:16 PM
You should have to ask consent to discuss this thread on the GDB - I didn't consent, I don't want to see it.
Hush up you wank.
That was rude and uncalled for - I'm upset now, I hope you live well with yourself knowing you hurt my feelings. Thanks!
Eat a phallic manrod you ponce.
Quote from: Delirium on September 24, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
i.e. you can reveal a lot about the nature of relationships through PG13 stuff without having to get graphic and gory.
And taking less than 20 minutes to do so.
I have to say the best 'scene' like this I ever was a part of took like, 10 minutes, tops. I AM A FAN OF SEXUAL TEXT QUICKIES
Quote from: Recharge on September 24, 2012, 09:53:47 PM
Quote from: Shepard on September 24, 2012, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: Recharge on September 24, 2012, 09:50:01 PM
Quote from: Shepard on September 24, 2012, 09:28:16 PM
You should have to ask consent to discuss this thread on the GDB - I didn't consent, I don't want to see it.
Hush up you wank.
That was rude and uncalled for - I'm upset now, I hope you live well with yourself knowing you hurt my feelings. Thanks!
Eat a phallic manrod you ponce.
I'm not even going to humor this. I'm done here.
>lock thread
*click*