Killing outside gates

[elvenchipmunk]

Okay, I don't know what any of you other guys think about this, but I just -hate- it when you're hurt from a gizhat, or bahamet or whatever, and you sit down to rest. Then, the next guy that comes along is some guy who's just playing armageddon for maybe a little while (noob) and they just attack you because they want your things. I'd just like to say that some thing should be done about this because it really isn't incharacter for someone to say they want to be friends, hunt with you, you're friends now, then when you ask them to guard you while you rest and they try to kill you. I know it's IC for some people to do this, but it can't be in character for the number of people that do it.

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[crymerci]

I'd just like to say that some thing should be done about this because it really isn't incharacter for someone to say they want to be friends, hunt with you, you're friends now, then when you ask them to guard you while you rest and they try to kill you. I know it's IC for some people to do this, but it can't be in character for the number of people that do it.

It's a harsh world, sorry.  Maybe you should think about the IC realism of who you are trusting enough to sleep in front of them?

[jhunter]

Someone pretended to be your friend and then stuck a blade in you when you were hurt??!!

How dare they!!!

:twisted:

[crymerci]

After re-reading that, I know it sounds harsh.  But I'm really being honest here.  I think that people buddy up far too easily to go hunting.  In reality Zalanthans would be very suspicious of anyone who wants to go out into the wastes with them.

Unless they are family or longtime friends, I think you should expect betrayal and murder.

[Larrath]

Yep.

I think it would be cool if they emoted crossing their fingers or their eyes glinting malevolently or whatever, but in all honesty...it serves you right for trusting people!

[elvenchipmunk]

No, but I'm saying is that it's a little weird that someone would go around making friends people, then the first guy they see sleeping outside the gates they try to kill.

I don't know about the guy who just did it, but I know some people do that because they see it as a chance to get money

[Krath]

well...You ARE sleeping outside in the wilderness which is a Horribly idea in itself.  Second,
When you are sleeping it is a great time to attack you for your items because you will
not see it coming. If it is in the characters RP to do so, then I am all for it.

[jhunter]

That seems a perfectly good reason to me if it's IC for the character to do so.

*shrugs*

[elvenchipmunk]

If you read what I said in the first post on this topic, you'd know that I don't care either if it's in the character's RP to do so, but what I'm also saying is that people who don't have that in their RP do it anyways, and it's unrealistic

[jhunter]

Yep, but how do you know it wasn't in their rp to do so?

Because they -told- you so?  :roll:

Do you know their background?

Can you read their mind and see what they are thinking?

Not unless your a mindbender.

I can understand your frustration at being killed, but if your pc was dumb enough to go to sleep outside the gates with someone who may or may not be trustworthy then your pc got what it deserved.

[Larrath]

People who don't have it in their roleplay shouldn't be doing it.

Tell me, though...how can you tell it isn't in their roleplay?  Stabbing someone in the back is hardly all that difficult for a Zalanthan, even if it is a Tuluki wuss.

[elvenchipmunk]

I wasn't killed. And I said I didn't know about the guy who just did it to me, but I do know a lot of other people who have done it.

[elvenchipmunk]

Sorry, who have done it and it wasn't IC for them to do it. I'm just saying it's annoying when some people just do it because they want money, and if it was real life, not a computer game, they really wouldn't do it because the character they've developed is a nice person.

[Mook]

I think the real problem here is the development of characters who are 'nice people.'  What sillies!

[elvenchipmunk]

Okay then. I guess no one here agrees with me. Never mind then

[Ghost]

Average commoner earns around 400 sids a year. So it is difficult to earn.  Now any, non-noble non-templar, seeing a resting and wounded person can jump on the person, and it is all IC.  Now the second part.

It is NOT wise to rest on the sands.  If you are wounded, go rest somwhere SAFE.  Well, I am sure, you can find a safe place, after some search around.

And, I am all for the double crossers.  As long as, they make it in a -nice- way, it adds realism and harshness to Zalanthas.

I hope you bear these in your mind, elvenchipmunk, I know it hurts when it happens to your character, but it is the salt and spice of the game.

[Marc]

Something quick:

If you are gonna double cross someone, try doing it with mercy on!

It'll help create some longer term conflicts, you can still get what you want from them (gear, info whatever), and the whole scene can be rp'ied accordingly.

Don't be so quick to perm kill people.  Sometimes you would make sure icly, but if they are coded mortally wounded, would your char always know/want to stab them again?

[Angela Christine]

You are right, people probably decide to become murderers on the spur of the moment a little to easy.  However, you have no way to know who is really a nice person killing for OOC reasons, and who is an opportunistic bastard that acts nice but would as soon slit your throat as look at you.  Now that you know OOCly that strangers and new friends are untrustworthy, you can use that in the future.


As an aside that hasn't been mentioned yet, if this is happening to you often, perhaps you should re-evaluate your hunting habits.  Not just your hunting companions, but the way you hunt.  If you are fighting to the point that you need to sleep to heal on a regular basis, that isn't hunting but rather some sort of weird masochistic personality disorder.  The point of hunting is not to be critically injured on a regular basis.



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[Cenghiz]

It's usual to kill other people when they're weak. It's the realistic RP. It's OK if you know that thrusting a dagger into his throat would give you a free drink in Gaj.
It's unusual to be the friendly, knightly hunter here. Less than %1 of the population should be friendly and trustable in a place where there's no law.
I know there's something like "Do people be mean to you? You're probably right.. It's the nature of Zalanthas... bla bla" in some newbie docs.

*beep*
Welcome to Armageddon.

[Cuusardo]

Survival of the fittest.

[Anonymous]

All I have to say is...

Suck it up, b*tch.

This ain't your daddys world.

[moab]

EC>
I will agree that it sucks to get betrayed and attacked.  I've been in your shoes (and died) a number of times and I've had some characters that have killed others when that player must not have any idea that I was going to kill his character.

Betrayal - it's the name of the game.  

So, on one hand, I totally understand where you are coming from - on the other hand I can imagine a thought process like this:

I'll hunt with this guy, it will be easy to kill things and get some sids.
Oh, this guy is hurt and I can probably kill him and get EVEN MORE coins.
No one is going to miss him and I'm not going to get in trouble.
kill sleeping guy

It's amazing what pcs (and people) are capable of when in the throes of the greed demon.  :-D

[Gar]

Think of this as a very good lesson.

Way back on my first character, before I knew what the heck I was doing, I decided to take a nap outside the city.  I wasn't hurt, just tired from physical activity.  Anyhow, I was robbed and attacked.  It was kind of funny looking back at it.  I ran back to town practically naked, not really knowing what the heck happened.  It's kind of startling to wake up while being stabbed.  I gathered what few sids I had and bought a club.  I think the fekker even stole my pants, I had to find some loincloth or something.  Anyhow I found the guy and beat him with the club and then convinced him to give me most of my stuff back.

Great fun but an even greater lesson.  Don't go around sleeping in the wilds!  When I related my story of woe to several PC's they all said the same thing, it was a dumb move on my part.  They had little pity.

Believe me, you'll never do that again. And that's the key point, take it as a lesson learned.

I've met PC's I could tell were new to the game.  After RP'ing with me for a very short period of time, sometimes they'd get nicked up and without hesitation sleep right in front of me.  That particular PC of mine isn't evil so nothing happened but I can imagine how easy it'd have been.  Personally, I'd have to really really know and trust the fella before nodding off in front of him.

[amoeba]

t's unusual to be the friendly, knightly hunter here. Less than %1 of the population should be friendly and trustable in a place where there's no law.

I'm going to mildly disagree with this viewpoint.  I think it is very one dimensional to view 99% of the populace as backstabbing bastards.  People by nature are social and tend to build alliances.  Two weak hunters can take on things that they couldn't take on seperatly.  Is there a perfectly valid IC reason to be friendly and hunt with others, even those you don't know well?  Absolutly.  Should you trust them? What are you kidding?  

Point here to the original poster is I expect that some people will try to take advantage of me, but I mitigate risks.  I don't hunt with stronger people, unless I am certain that I can trust them not to pull this behaviour. For example, a hunter with a large house will probably not pull this crap.  Or I will hunt with someone that I am certain I can probably defeat or evade.  I never let myself get more tired than that other person, and I keep myself aware of what is going on at all times.  In short if they pull something on me, I am in a stronger position.

Now that being said, I have -gained- alot by being the friendly hunter,  not the least of which was a higher level of enjoyment of the game.  My motivations are longer term.  People are multi-dimensional, sometimes gaining something from a onetime opprotunistic event like killing the poor sap for his pants is counter productive.  Like I say, play the character like you want. You want to hunt in a freindly cooperative manner, by all means.  Just know the risks, and if you miscalculate, well thems the breaks.

[Mr.Camel]

A harsh world makes for harsh people. You'll find tough motherfuckers right and left. But not necessarily backstabbing ones. Sure, there would be a deal of backstabbing and untrustworthiness. But to say that trustworthy people are rare because its a harsh world is somewhat one-dimensional, IMO.