Q&A for New Special App Option - Advanced Start for Byn/Soldier

[Halaster]

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[mansa]

Is this position "open" at all times, or are there only particular time periods it is opened for?

[Halaster]

Is this position "open" at all times, or are there only particular time periods it is opened for?

Open at all times.  If you have 1 karma and a Special Application slot available, you can put in a request for this.

[Obeliskocism]

Are these characters locked into these roles?
i.e.
- are they eligible for promotions?
- could the PC leave the clan in the future if IC developments lead that way?

[Halaster]

Q:  Are there a limited number of slots?

A:  For now, no.  If we find the game ridiculously saturated with these, maybe we'll add a limit later.  But since it's SpecApp, I don't think we'll get too many.

[Halaster]

Are these characters locked into these roles?
i.e.
- are they eligible for promotions?
- could the PC leave the clan in the future if IC developments lead that way?

Yes, they are eligible for promotions.

"- Character must remain an active member of the organization for at minimum of 2 Real Life months, actively played.  If the organization has a longer commitment, such as lifesworn, that still applies."  This means that after 2 RL months as a Trooper, you could leave the Byn.  The same is true for the two militias IF they allow you to leave.

[mansa]

Is the "skill boosts" automated or are they done manually?

[Halaster]

Is the "skill boosts" automated or are they done manually?

Manually for the moment, I'll work on some automation soonish.

[Tailong]

Will they come with basic uniforms and equipment so they can jump right in?

[Krath]

1. Can current PCs use a special app to get skill boost, since this was recently posted, or for NEW characters only?

2. If you have a current pc, and your next PC is an approved special app waiting to be created, can you change it to this option, instead of your original if requested?

[Halaster]

Will they come with basic uniforms and equipment so they can jump right in?

Yeah

[Halaster]

1. Can current PCs use a special app to get skill boost, since this was recently posted, or for NEW characters only?

2. If you have a current pc, and your next PC is an approved special app waiting to be created, can you change it to this option, instead of your original if requested?

1. No, it's for NEW characters only.
2. Yes, you can change it

[Krath]

Another question:

1. For Role Call Apps for sergeants/Lieutenants or whatever it maybe, will their skills be set higher than this?

[Halaster]

Another question:

1. For Role Call Apps for sergeants/Lieutenants or whatever it maybe, will their skills be set higher than this?

At the very least, they'll be the same.  Probably a little higher, though we're still talking about that.  But at the least, the same.

[zealus]

Will leaders be informed about these transfers? I can imagine, especially in the AoD, some headsup would be useful.

[Halaster]

Will leaders be informed about these transfers? I can imagine, especially in the AoD, some headsup would be useful.

Depends.  When they introduce themselves to the clan, yeah, that's the headsup.  I don't foresee us telling sergeants beforehand, unless it becomes an issue?

[Krath]

If the Life Oath applies and after my 2 months I run off will I be stored?

[Bogre]

Why do the heavy combat classes get sick boosts and the light combat get almost nothing in comparison?

[Barsook]

For the Byn/Legions, are can one app for a dwarf, breed, or an city elf?

I know that they are mundanes, but I want to check.

[DesertT]

As far as I know, Privates have the life oath.

Will this be altered to maybe 5 years or so?

Maybe two?

[Krath]

For the Byn/Legions, are can one app for a dwarf, breed, or an city elf?

I know that they are mundanes, but I want to check.

- Character cannot be a mul, a half-giant, nor any kind of mage or psionicist.  This is for pure mundanes only.  Normal racial restrictions apply based on the organization.

[Halaster]

If the Life Oath applies and after my 2 months I run off will I be stored?

No, but you'll suffer IC consequences.

[Halaster]

Why do the heavy combat classes get sick boosts and the light combat get almost nothing in comparison?

The light combat don't get "almost nothing" by any means, you should probably reread that announcement.

That said, it's to simulate that heavy combat gain combat skills faster than light combat.

[Halaster]

For the Byn/Legions, are can one app for a dwarf, breed, or an city elf?

I know that they are mundanes, but I want to check.

Yes, as long as the Byn allows them (which it does)

[Halaster]

As far as I know, Privates have the life oath.

Will this be altered to maybe 5 years or so?

Maybe two?

That's really another discussion whether or not we change that.  I don't know, offhand.

[Nao]

Are there any measures in place for PCs that behave so badly that they would have never made it to that rank in the first place?

[Halaster]

Are there any measures in place for PCs that behave so badly that they would have never made it to that rank in the first place?

We'll deal with it if it ever happens.  Which is to say, we're not able to predict every scenario and action players do, so no, we haven't given this specific scenario much thought.

[Halaster]

A reminder, this thread is about Questions and Answers for the announcement.  If you want to discuss the merits of certain points, please start a new thread.  This thread should simply be providing answers.  With that in mind, I've deleted a few posts (no one is in trouble or anything like that).

[CalmThyPalm]

Seeing as the Arm's open to recruiting dwarves right now, and dwarves are mundane, can one spec-app a dwarven Private then?

[Halaster]

Seeing as the Arm's open to recruiting dwarves right now, and dwarves are mundane, can one spec-app a dwarven Private then?

The Arm is not open to recruiting dwarves.  So no, you could not app a dwarven private in the AoD (or Tuluk).

[Windstorm]

Sorry if this is "find out IC" territory but for clarity, DO both militaries do life oaths for Private?

[Lutagar]

- Ride set at high journeyman, or boosted to low advanced if you start with it

Does this means spec app'd troopers/privates that pick fighters/enforcers get ride for free where the class does not usually provide this?

[mansa]

- Ride set at high journeyman, or boosted to low advanced if you start with it

Does this means spec app'd troopers/privates that pick fighters/enforcers get ride for free where the class does not usually provide this?

Every class gets ride.

https://www.armageddon.org/help/view/Skill%20Ride

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Every class can learn the ride skill. Simply mounting a suitable animal and attempting to move in a direction will have it appear on your skills list.
...

[Halaster]

Sorry if this is "find out IC" territory but for clarity, DO both militaries do life oaths for Private?

In the current documentation for the Sun King's Legion, Privates do 5 year contracts.  Corporals and above have a 30 year "lifeswear" contract.

Arm of the Dragon is lifesworn, in current documentation.

[Bebop]

EDIT by Halaster:   I moved the 'discussion' part of this post to https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,58995.msg1087675.html#msg1087675

Question:  Will other PCs that already get boosts, get further boosts to offset where their power level should start aka Sergeants, Templars that special app in etc?

[Barsook]

Seeing as the Arm's open to recruiting dwarves right now, and dwarves are mundane, can one spec-app a dwarven Private then?

The Arm is not open to recruiting dwarves.  So no, you could not app a dwarven private in the AoD (or Tuluk).

The Legions don't allow dwarfs in? Since when?!

[Halaster]

Question:  Will other PCs that already get boosts, get further boosts to offset where their power level should start aka Sergeants, Templars that special app in etc?

Sergeants and the like will get at least the same as these roles.  Templars are their own beast handled separately.

[Vwest]

Historically, some mutants were allowed in the AoD on a case-by-case basis and the T'zai Byn welcome all kinds.

Are mutants (with or without additional benefits/penalties relevant to their mutation) going to be allowed to utilize this special application?

[Halaster]

Historically, some mutants were allowed in the AoD on a case-by-case basis and the T'zai Byn welcome all kinds.

Are mutants (with or without additional benefits/penalties relevant to their mutation) going to be allowed to utilize this special application?

That will probably depend on the severity and type of mutation.  I could see the Byn being more accepting of mutants than the militias.  I could see Tuluk being more accepting than Allanak because of their history with the thryzn.

[creeper386]

Why isn't there an option for survival character boosts?

[Halaster]

Why isn't there an option for survival character boosts?

If you mean the "mixed' classes (stalker, miscreant, laborer) that's because we decided this is only for combat characters.  Generally speaking, when people complain about "The Grind" it is combat they specifically mean, because most everything else is pretty easy to raise skill-wise.  I'm not talking about the social grind and making friends and relationships.

But those three "military" organizations are generally focused around combat and improving it.  Sometimes Byn sergeants may take runners out of the city on survival lessons, but not as often as combat.

This is meant to give people, in those exact roles, a boost for combat.  That's all it's meant for.

[Hauwke]

Why isn't there an option for survival character boosts?

If you mean the "mixed' classes (stalker, miscreant, laborer) that's because we decided this is only for combat characters.  Generally speaking, when people complain about "The Grind" it is combat they specifically mean, because most everything else is pretty easy to raise skill-wise.  I'm not talking about the social grind and making friends and relationships.

But those three "military" organizations are generally focused around combat and improving it.  Sometimes Byn sergeants may take runners out of the city on survival lessons, but not as often as combat.

This is meant to give people, in those exact roles, a boost for combat.  That's all it's meant for.

I think the question was more: Why can't I roll a stalker in as a spec app Byn Trooper?

[DesertT]

By not choosing a Tier one which focuses on combat, your character is also choosing not to focus so intently on combat and thus their utility skills.

If you want tier one capabilities, pick tier one with a utility-oriented subguild.

There's going to be trade-offs.

Otherwise, they need to offer the same boost to all tiers just for joining the Byn or militias.

Why differentiate between tiers at all?

[Halaster]

A reminder, this thread is about Questions and Answers for the announcement.  If you want to discuss the merits of certain points, please start a new thread.  This thread should simply be providing answers.  With that in mind, I've deleted a few posts (no one is in trouble or anything like that).

[Halaster]

Why isn't there an option for survival character boosts?

If you mean the "mixed' classes (stalker, miscreant, laborer) that's because we decided this is only for combat characters.  Generally speaking, when people complain about "The Grind" it is combat they specifically mean, because most everything else is pretty easy to raise skill-wise.  I'm not talking about the social grind and making friends and relationships.

But those three "military" organizations are generally focused around combat and improving it.  Sometimes Byn sergeants may take runners out of the city on survival lessons, but not as often as combat.

This is meant to give people, in those exact roles, a boost for combat.  That's all it's meant for.

I think the question was more: Why can't I roll a stalker in as a spec app Byn Trooper?

Answered above in https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,58988.msg1087959.html#msg1087959

If you mean the "mixed' classes (stalker, miscreant, laborer) that's because we decided this is only for combat characters.  Generally speaking, when people complain about "The Grind" it is combat they specifically mean, because most everything else is pretty easy to raise skill-wise.  I'm not talking about the social grind and making friends and relationships.

But those three "military" organizations are generally focused around combat and improving it.  Sometimes Byn sergeants may take runners out of the city on survival lessons, but not as often as combat.

This is meant to give people, in those exact roles, a boost for combat.  That's all it's meant for.

[Halaster]

Why differentiate between tiers at all?

To give people more options than just raider/enforcer/fighter.  That said, these clans are focused on combat roles, which is why it's limited to light combat / heavy combat.

[Pariah]

I don't recall if this was addressed or not.

Will there be any editing to the invisible skills?  To stop the boosted Bynner from getting obliterated by the first Carru or Gortok they encounter?

[Halaster]

I don't recall if this was addressed or not.

Will there be any editing to the invisible skills?  To stop the boosted Bynner from getting obliterated by the first Carru or Gortok they encounter?

Yes.

[Halaster]

Say you start a class and subclass that have overlapping skills.

Like Raider, Outdoorsman, will those overlapping skills start out higher or are just essentially throwing away your subguild pick for one skill being gained?

You'll get the bonus on top of whichever is higher.  So no, it wouldn't be a waste.

[creeper386]

Say you start a class and subclass that have overlapping skills.

Like Raider, Outdoorsman, will those overlapping skills start out higher or are just essentially throwing away your subguild pick for one skill being gained?

You'll get the bonus on top of whichever is higher.  So no, it wouldn't be a waste.

Did the question have to do with Advanced Start, or just about how overlapping Class/Subclasses work? Which I think is just, you get whichever the higher starting skill is, I don't think there is any boost because of overlap.

[roughneck]

This should be open to half-giants and mul slaves. Except, make it lifesworn-only instead of the 2 RL month restriction.

The majority of HG's and muls should be in these kinds of roles/organizations according to the docs.

If you roll one up and want to leave, storage is your only option. Give Byn/AOD/SL some TEETH.

[DesertT]

This should be open to half-giants and mul slaves. Except, make it lifesworn-only instead of the 2 RL month restriction.

The majority of HG's and muls should be in these kinds of roles/organizations according to the docs.

If you roll one up and want to leave, storage is your only option. Give Byn/AOD/SL some TEETH.

[Cordon]

I think Roughneck is dead on spot with this one. The dedicated rolls have their place and deserve a boost to skills that would be trade off for a lifesworn roll. I feel these PC's should also be shown in-game respect to an 'ideal starting standard' that others would get after 10-15 year service/dedication to the same cause, for RP perks as well.

[Traines]

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I have been considering rolling a new character. Is this still an option? Also I have played in the Byn a long time ago.  I see there is mention of a Life Oath.  How does that work? Used to be after your min service was done you had the option to leave at any time.  Is that no logner the case? Just trying to get a feel for changes.

[mansa]

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I have been considering rolling a new character. Is this still an option? Also I have played in the Byn a long time ago.  I see there is mention of a Life Oath.  How does that work? Used to be after your min service was done you had the option to leave at any time.  Is that no logner the case? Just trying to get a feel for changes.

Yes.
The post in the Staff Announcements is here:
https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,58987.0.html
It's still active and even has been extended to some rolecalls.

[Trevalyan]

I have been considering rolling a new character. Is this still an option? Also I have played in the Byn a long time ago.  I see there is mention of a Life Oath.  How does that work? Used to be after your min service was done you had the option to leave at any time.  Is that no logner the case? Just trying to get a feel for changes.

I don't think the Byn can or even would enforce a life oath on everyone. It's more of the idea that after 2+ IG years, your character's identity will be in and of the Byn. Your character may not be able to relate to clans less focused on combat: you might even get permanent stripes inked into your skin. None of that is a life oath, but if you were dismissed you might find it very hard to WANT any other faction job.

[digitaleak]

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Also I have played in the Byn a long time ago.  I see there is mention of a Life Oath.  How does that work?

Byn Troopers and Sergeants are not life sworn.

[Fredd]

The Byn have life swearing once you hit lieutenant. Or at least, that's what was told to me when I was going for it a while back.

The Towers likely do NOT have lifeswearing, as far as I know because:

1: HG are dumb and easily kept in place with the right regimens. But they couldn't comprehend giving their whole life. It's like trying to explain a life insurance contract to a 4 year old. He'de understand like 3 words of it.

2: All the Muls are legally owned slaves (except for a very few exceptions)

[Traines]

The Byn have life swearing once you hit lieutenant. Or at least, that's what was told to me when I was going for it a while back.

The Towers likely do NOT have lifeswearing, as far as I know because:

1: HG are dumb and easily kept in place with the right regimens. But they couldn't comprehend giving their whole life. It's like trying to explain a life insurance contract to a 4 year old. He'de understand like 3 words of it.

2: All the Muls are legally owned slaves (except for a very few exceptions)

Okay that makes more sense to what I remembered from way back.  Thanks