Suggestion: "Breaking Hide" echo when doing an action that breaks hide.

[mansa]

Suggestion:

"You stop trying to hide." should echo when you do an action that breaks hide, when you are currently hiding (or attempting to hide).


Examples:


>hide
You attempt to hide.

>stand
You stop trying to hide.
You are already standing.

--

>hide
You attempt to hide.

>open pack
You stop trying to hide.
You open a leather backpack.

--

>hide
You attempt to hide.

>sneak
You slow down and move carefully.

>unlatch templar's backpack
You deftly unlatch a blue-robed templar's backpack

>peek templar's backpack
Inside a blue-robed templar's backpack:
a magick potion
an obsidian gem
a small black-leather pouch

>steal pouch templar's backpack
Got it!

>draw sword
You stop trying to hide.
You draw a curved sword of bone.

[Barsook]

+million

[Fragmented]

+1

[Patuk]

God, yes. Yes please.

[Inks]

+1 yes.

[creeper386]

Yes please, tell me I am no longer trying to hide.

[Brytta Léofa]

If we'd had this maybe I wouldn't have died to that bahamet after I whispered to myself for Roleplay Flavour.

[Jarvis]

This would be neat

[najdorf]

love it, though should only be for commands, not after effects (basically shouldn't allow stealth characters to check whether their hide has succeeded)

[mansa]

love it, though should only be for commands, not after effects (basically shouldn't allow stealth characters to check whether their hide has succeeded)

Yes, the intent is that "I am doing something (by entering a new command into the game), I should know if the something I do will break hide."


I was thinking about this scenario:
A inexperienced rogue tries to hide but fails at hiding.  They do not know they are not hiding.
They attempt to do an activity that would break hide, such as 'stand' or 'open'.

Would it be okay if the game did NOT echo that they "broke hide", because they were never hidden in the first place ?

[najdorf]

I think the same logic available for "You loose your concentration..." should be applied here, perhaps through a toggle?
nosave hidenotification on

> open door
> You perform an action that will break hide, if you were hidden already

Second line is displayed immediately. Whether you are hidden or not.

[Dracul]

love it, though should only be for commands, not after effects (basically shouldn't allow stealth characters to check whether their hide has succeeded)

Yes, the intent is that "I am doing something (by entering a new command into the game), I should know if the something I do will break hide."


I was thinking about this scenario:
A inexperienced rogue tries to hide but fails at hiding.  They do not know they are not hiding.
They attempt to do an activity that would break hide, such as 'stand' or 'open'.

Would it be okay if the game did NOT echo that they "broke hide", because they were never hidden in the first place ?

If this is adopted it should always give the 'you stop trying to hide'.

(not unless we want there to be anything that can give a character an idea if they successfully hid.)

[mansa]

I was thinking about this scenario:
A inexperienced rogue tries to hide but fails at hiding.  They do not know they are not hiding.
They attempt to do an activity that would break hide, such as 'stand' or 'open'.

Would it be okay if the game did NOT echo that they "broke hide", because they were never hidden in the first place ?

If this is adopted it should always give the 'you stop trying to hide'.

(not unless we want there to be anything that can give a character an idea if they successfully hid.)

The thing is, I'm not sure if the game keeps track of a failed hide attempt, so it might not be possible to echo "You stop trying to hide" if there is no flag saying "failed hide attempt"

[LindseyBalboa]

It would not show on a completely failed hide. However, a successful hide does not mean you're hidden well, so it would still be a wonderful echo to have. An "it's impossible to hide now" echo is already in-game as a consequence of typing 'run' while hiding, just expand it to other actions.

at the least have it show for unintended/silly things that break hide, like typing "sa" by accident, and getting back a "what do you want to say?" echo but not a "you used the say command even though you didn't talk so you are no longer hidden."

[FantasyWriter]

oh, God, yes!

[Barsook]

I think the same logic available for "You loose your concentration..." should be applied here, perhaps through a toggle?
nosave hidenotification on

> open door
> You perform an action that will break hide, if you were hidden already

Second line is displayed immediately. Whether you are hidden or not.

Like.

[Iiyola]

... am I the only one who thought this was already a thing?

[Riev]

... am I the only one who thought this was already a thing?

Yes, because nothing in the game tells you specifically that what you are doing will break your attempts at hiding.

[Iiyola]

... am I the only one who thought this was already a thing?

Yes, because nothing in the game tells you specifically that what you are doing will break your attempts at hiding.

I never really thought about it that way. Likewise for using a light source while hiding. I figured people would see the light source/you.

[Agent_137]

a setting to turn this on for all actions that break hide, or a complete list of what breaks hide in the helpfile would be nice.

definitely don't want a way to know if you've failed hide without having to interact with something that actually reacts to hide. sneak and hide should require at least interacting with NPCs to train

[Riev]

I wonder if "hide" could be like a 'stance'. As long as you are concentrating in that stance, you are "trying to hide". Even if you fail, you're still 'trying'.

So that if you move, or speak, or do anything that would break hide, you break your concentration/stance.


Is that even a possibility of suggestion?

[LindseyBalboa]

... am I the only one who thought this was already a thing?

Yes, because nothing in the game tells you specifically that what you are doing will break your attempts at hiding.

Running while in hide gives the message, "The effort of running makes it impossible to hide."

Code is right there waiting to be used. "Xxx makes it impossible to hide"