Saving lives syntax?

[Nyr]

I really get a kick out of explaining how things actually work based on a knowledge of the code and a discussion with a coder.  There's always someone to reply with anecdotal evidence that (in fact) the opposite is true.

edit to add:  as a result I end up testing things over and over in order to definitively arrive at a conclusion to explain the anecdotal cases

[Nyr]

[Maso]

I get really confused by the whole 'no save' thing....like...should I have it on...or off...double negatives confuse me. Can someone lay it down for me...in lamens terms...the help file doesn't help. Not because it's bad, not because it's particularly complicated, not because I'm dumb, but just because...for some reason it makes my brain squirm uncomfortably when I try and get it.

[Nyr]

Type nosave status.
Then type nosave on any of those things to enable or disable it.
Type nosave status again.

There ya go!  No need to read any more than the stuff in "nosave status."

[Maso]

I still don't understand....

nosave arrest....if it's enabled does that mean I am resisting arrest? Or not? Sorry.

I did read it...I read it all the time!

[solera]

I get really confused by the whole 'no save' thing....like...should I have it on...or off...double negatives confuse me. Can someone lay it down for me...in lamens terms...the help file doesn't help. Not because it's bad, not because it's particularly complicated, not because I'm dumb, but just because...for some reason it makes my brain squirm uncomfortably when I try and get it.

Me too.
I have to say to myself...
nosave arrest = i do not save myself from arrest
therefore
I will let myself be arrested
and
I won't die.

[Nyr]

Did you type nosave status?  Nosave status tells you exactly what is going on.
Did you then change something?  If you change something, the game tells you what you changed.
Did you then type nosave status again?  If you type nosave status again, it tells you exactly what is going on, again, just in case you didn't understand what happened when you changed it.

[timb]

If you want to do some petty crime and not get killed by a giant have nosave arrest  on.
If you don't want to take a sap to the head and get pulled into an alley having your things taken and body abused (next time you lose internet and go link dead) have nosave arrest off?

Cant have your cake and eat it too?

[Patuk]

Did you type nosave status?  Nosave status tells you exactly what is going on.
Did you then change something?  If you change something, the game tells you what you changed.
Did you then type nosave status again?  If you type nosave status again, it tells you exactly what is going on, again, just in case you didn't understand what happened when you changed it.

This. Nosave status is way less confusing than the double negatives. For example.. Instead of saying 'nosave arrest is on' it says 'not resisting arrest.'

[Maso]

Ahh, I shall have a play with it and see then. Thanks.

Glad I'm not the only one who gets confused though!

[Delirium]

To make it simpler, just translate "nosave" into "not saving against"

"Nosave arrest" = Not saving against arrest
"Nosave subdue" = Not saving against subdue

Etc, etc.

Timb, nosave arrest is for submitting to soldiers after becoming incriminated. Nosave subdue is for when you don't want to resist subdue attempts at all.

[Maso]

It would be so much easier if they removed the no and made it the other way around... Saving from arrest? Yes.

Double negatives! Pfft! So in order to 'save yourself' from something...you have to disable the no save...I think?

[Riya OniSenshi]

To "save" against an action is to take a roll to resist it. It's fairly standard in most all dice-involved rpg things. Thus "nosave" means you are intentionally failing to resist the specified action.

[Nyr]

I'll just copy and paste since you're still asking questions about it:

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= >nosave   
You must provide one of the following toggles:
  status : Show status of nosave options (this message)
     off : Attempt all saving throws.
     all : Fail all saving throws.
  arrest : Resisting arrest.
   climb : Not intentionally failing at climbing.
  magick : Resisting magickal spells.
psionics : Resisting psionic abilities.
  skills : Resisting mundane skills.
  subdue : Resisting subdue attempts.
   theft : Resisting theft attempts.
  combat : Attacking back when attacked.

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= >nosave arrest
You are not resisting arrest.

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= >nosave status                                                                                     
  arrest : Not resisting arrest.
   climb : Not intentionally failing at climbing.
  magick : Resisting magickal spells.
psionics : Resisting psionic abilities.
  skills : Resisting mundane skills.
  subdue : Resisting subdue attempts.
   theft : Resisting theft attempts.
  combat : Attacking back when attacked.

Semantics aside, you just need to keep track of what it tells you, not what you think nosave means or should mean.

As a side note, this breakdown has been this way for more than 6 years.  It seems like it was only yesterday!

[Maso]

 

[Nyr]

...did you not find that post useful, or what?  I can't tell if you're trying to channel some snarkiness, are genuinely confused, or selected the wrong emoticon.

[Maso]

It was useful yes. But I had already kinda got it...hadn't I? Probably just needed a 'Yup' rather than a whole copy/paste...unless I hadn't got it.

Not snarky no, genuine confusion and feeling a bit sheepish, whilst also a little bit amused. Not a particularly wide variety of emoticons to pick from though.

[Rhyden]

It was useful yes. But I had already kinda got it...hadn't I? Probably just needed a 'Yup' rather than a whole copy/paste...unless I hadn't got it.

Not snarky no, genuine confusion and feeling a bit sheepish, whilst also a little bit amused. Not a particularly wide variety of emoticons to pick from though.

Here's a good one ----->  Also another helpful phrase after someone helpfully explain something to you -----> Thanks   (You have no idea how far a smiley + a thank you can go, especially for staff)

The double negative of "nosave" confused me at first too. As Delirium said, the easiest way is to spell it out: I will not save against subdue. I will not save against arrest. Etc.

[Maso]

It was useful yes. But I had already kinda got it...hadn't I? Probably just needed a 'Yup' rather than a whole copy/paste...unless I hadn't got it.

Not snarky no, genuine confusion and feeling a bit sheepish, whilst also a little bit amused. Not a particularly wide variety of emoticons to pick from though.

Here's a good one ----->   Also another helpful phrase after someone helpfully explain something to you -----> Thanks   (You have no idea how far a smiley + a thank you can go, especially for staff)

The double negative of "nosave" confused me at first too. As Delirium said, the easiest way is to spell it out: I will not save against subdue. I will not save against arrest. Etc.

Sigh. Why do so many people feel the need to be condescending and patronizing on this board. If someone is helpful, I am aware that I can say thank you...If someone is helpful in a patronizing manner...then it makes me feel less like saying thank you and more like shaking my head sadly and wondering what's with all the high horses. I am capable of making that decision for myself, ta very much though.

[Lithium]

It was useful yes. But I had already kinda got it...hadn't I? Probably just needed a 'Yup' rather than a whole copy/paste...unless I hadn't got it.

Not snarky no, genuine confusion and feeling a bit sheepish, whilst also a little bit amused. Not a particularly wide variety of emoticons to pick from though.

Here's a good one ----->   Also another helpful phrase after someone helpfully explain something to you -----> Thanks   (You have no idea how far a smiley + a thank you can go, especially for staff)

The double negative of "nosave" confused me at first too. As Delirium said, the easiest way is to spell it out: I will not save against subdue. I will not save against arrest. Etc.

Sigh. Why do so many people feel the need to be condescending and patronizing on this board. If someone is helpful, I am aware that I can say thank you...If someone is helpful in a patronizing manner...then it makes me feel less like saying thank you and more like shaking my head sadly and wondering what's with all the high horses. I am capable of making that decision for myself, ta very much though.

The only one who's coming off as condescending and on a high horse is yourself. Nyr spent a few posts thoroughly explaining something you were having trouble with. Just like he does for every other player. Your response?  () I certainly would -not- want to help anyone after that, yet he still does it, unbiased, informative, thorough, helpful, and asking nothing in return.

[Nyr]

Sigh. Why do so many people feel the need to be condescending and patronizing on this board. If someone is helpful, I am aware that I can say thank you...If someone is helpful in a patronizing manner...then it makes me feel less like saying thank you and more like shaking my head sadly and wondering what's with all the high horses. I am capable of making that decision for myself, ta very much though.

Is someone being condescending and patronizing towards you?  I looked and it seems like everyone here has been helpful without being condescending or patronizing to you.

[Rhyden]

Psst, Maso. Nyr is a superstar. You know you wanna say it.

[Maso]

Type nosave status.
Then type nosave on any of those things to enable or disable it.
Type nosave status again.

There ya go!  No need to read any more than the stuff in "nosave status."

Did you type nosave status?  Nosave status tells you exactly what is going on.
Did you then change something?  If you change something, the game tells you what you changed.
Did you then type nosave status again?  If you type nosave status again, it tells you exactly what is going on, again, just in case you didn't understand what happened when you changed it.

I'll just copy and paste since you're still asking questions about it:

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Nosave stuff

Semantics aside, you just need to keep track of what it tells you, not what you think nosave means or should mean.

As a side note, this breakdown has been this way for more than 6 years.  It seems like it was only yesterday!

Unnecessary comments and a writing style that implies a patronizing tone and does not, to me, seem conducive to portraying a helpful and friendly manner.

And Rhyden's post wasn't patronizing, are you kidding me?

I give up. I'd rather just not ask for help in future, than get it like that.

[Rhyden]

I'm sorry if I came off as condescending or patronizing to you, Maso. Can we still be freinds?

The intention of my post was to point out that Nyr is extremely helpful. The task of moderating this gdb is as thankless as some of the players who use it.

Also you did say thanks, I just missed it, and feel pretty silly now. Sorry!

[Nyr]

I don't really want to get into this, but here we are.  After this, the derail is done.  You can direct further issues with staff to the request tool.

Type nosave status.
Then type nosave on any of those things to enable or disable it.
Type nosave status again.

There ya go!  No need to read any more than the stuff in "nosave status."

If you think this is patronizing then you need to take a deep breath, get a drink of water, maybe some alcohol, come back, and reread it again.  You're imagining offense where there is none.  I've got an avatar image of Fry.  Imagine him saying it.  He'd sound like an idiot saying it.  You're reading a tone that isn't there.

Did you type nosave status?  Nosave status tells you exactly what is going on.
Did you then change something?  If you change something, the game tells you what you changed.
Did you then type nosave status again?  If you type nosave status again, it tells you exactly what is going on, again, just in case you didn't understand what happened when you changed it.

These were legitimate questions.  While I did know the answer, the reason I asked was that the answer would lead you and any other interested player to the results you were seeking.  It's always better to empower players to learn to find answers themselves than to just spell things out for them.  I offered a solution to your issue.  You still had problems, so I asked if you'd tried the solution and elaborated on why the solution I suggested was a good idea.  If that's condescending and patronizing...I have no words.  None!

I'll just copy and paste since you're still asking questions about it:

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Nosave stuff

Semantics aside, you just need to keep track of what it tells you, not what you think nosave means or should mean.

As a side note, this breakdown has been this way for more than 6 years.  It seems like it was only yesterday!

See my first point.  How the hell is that patronizing or condescending?  I've been playing for 10 years.  I've been staffing for 5 years.  This happened 6 years ago.  It does seem like it was only yesterday.  I thought the nosave differences stuff was added way more recently.  I pointed it out as a side note.  I put a smiley () at the end.  I can't get much more bubbly than this.  I used to have a bunny rabbit avatar.  Maybe I should change my forum avatar to that.

Unnecessary comments and a writing style that implies a patronizing tone and does not, to me, seem conducive to portraying a helpful and friendly manner.

Me helping you at all was unnecessary; there are plenty of helpers that can do this.  I did it because I wanted to help anyway.  Your conspiracy-theory response here does not (to me) seem conducive to getting staff members to address your concerns, questions, or issues on the GDB in the future.

And Rhyden's post wasn't patronizing, are you kidding me?

It wasn't.  I'm not kidding you.  You are imagining offense where none exists.  If you're still offended by me helping you and you feel I'm being patronizing and condescending, put in a staff complaint.