Homosexuality

[Intrepid237]

I ran into a pretty awkward RP a few weeks ago. I'm not going to give any details at all but it pretty much involved homosexual contact between two men while my character was in the room. I didn't know how to respond at all so I pretty much RP'ed sitting there in silence and then left in the middle.

So my question is pretty much this, how should I respond to homosexuality? I don't want the "However your character would" response cause that's a given. I mean, how would the average joe respond to homosexuality? 

[Kalai]

In general, the same as towards heterosexual contact.

[Barzalene]

Homosexuality is not in any way taboo on Zalanthas. There is no reason why your pc should have any particular reaction at all. Your pc probably could care less that they were both men, unless your background specifically accounts for why they are out of step with the rest of the world. It should be a non-issue.

[Bilanthri]

It can be difficult in situations like this, where something that is acceptable in the game world, none the less, makes the player uncomfortable. I generally think that any sexual contact should be preceded by a consent request. Now, holding hands, kissing, or casual signs of affection are pretty standard fare, even if some people are bothered by the occasional PDA. However, regardless of the gender mix, if things are getting even a bit hot and heavy, the polite thing to do is:

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ooc I'm about to whip it out...consent?

Edit: Suddenly remembering something about a kruth game, a bet, and a lucky piece of fruit.

Oh yea, and how to respond?
"Hey! Grebber! Get a room."

[boog]

Yeah. I would totally make a feminine dude character, or even some ballsy, gritty dude that liked to stick it in other dudes' butts, BUT... I'm always afraid OOC prejudice overrides IC reaction in this game, so I've never done it.

That being said, it is correct that Zalanthians have no problem with homosexuality. Now, if it's a human man and an elf man ...

[Majikal]

Just because, every pc I've ever made was bisexual or homosexual. Unfortunately I was never able to find a homosexual MALE partner beside the very, very fem-type pc's. No rugged merc types every wanted any lurvings. I found it disappointing.

[Riev]

Nearly every PC I make, male or female, has absolutely no qualms about taking it or throwing it wherever, in order to get ahead in life. Pun unintended, but happy accident.

I deathly straight IRL, but my male PCs don't need to be like that, especially if letting that Tor Noble rail his rear gets him a solid spot in the Academy. And if you're that uncomfortable, fade it out.

[Furien]

John Doe wouldn't really care about the subject matter itself.

However, he might not take kindly to seeing two people kank next to him on the bar, or on the floor outside his apartment, or what have you. Or, he might want to join it. Depends on your character and their upbringing.

I've actually wondered, a few times - what if, hypothetically, a character existed that was squicked out by, or outright prejudiced against openly gay characters? In a completely IC context. They're mad because of squick rather than an institutionalized prejudice. I wonder if such a situation would require consent? I mean, it's a fairly touchy issue OOC for some people.

That said, despite being a gay dude (in a mellow way) I find myself playing, by and large, asexual (or purely romantic) women. Simply out of habit, since it's what I always do. Kanking women then becomes gross, and kanking men just becomes squick/underhanded, even if it's purely IC. Unless there's fading, I'll just pass on that part of character development.

[Taven]

Suddenly remembering something about a kruth game, a bet, and a lucky piece of fruit.

Fruit Love?

I've actually wondered, a few times - what if, hypothetically, a character existed that was squicked out by, or outright prejudiced against openly gay characters? In a completely IC context. They're mad because of squick rather than an institutionalized prejudice. I wonder if such a situation would require consent? I mean, it's a fairly touchy issue OOC for some people.

I don't think you can have this in an IC context. If it was a squick then you'd probably want to have it in your background, and I can't see staff approving that. It's too close to a documentation violation and, as you say, it's an OOC sensitive issue. If, instead, all sexual contact between anyone made the PC uncomfortable, this would be a lot more viable.

[Lizzie]

Rather than wonder how your PC would respond to homosexuality, you could ask how your PC would respond to public displays of affection between anyone. This seems to be a bit more appropriate given the OP's posted scenario.

So really, it's not that it's two men nuzzling and smooching and being all lovey dovey with each other at the bar. It's two -people- are nuzzling and smooching and being all lovey dovey at the bar. The only time it would be more significant, is if it were maybe, an elf and a breed. Or a human and an elf. Or a dwarf and a breed. Or an elf and a half-giant. Or a rinthi and a Tuluki noble. Or a southern templar and a Kadian aide.

The gender thing isn't given as much emphasis in Arm as other socio-political and inter-racial/interspecial issues.

[Yam]

I tried to look at the main site to find the glaringly obvious help file or document that explicitly outlined the general guidelines on sexuality but my plan was thwarted because there don't seem to be any of those.

Am I missing something, or should we write up and submit a document on sexuality?

[boog]

Document rough draft:
Sex gets you everywhere in Zalanthas. Boy on boy, girl on boy, boy on matis, girl on mul - it'll getcha places. Just don't ever fuck an elf though, unless you're another elf!

[mansa]

http://armageddon.org/intro/quickstart.html


Avoid imposing your own interpretations and norms on the game world. For example, there is no sexism on Zalanthas; women and men are treated equally. This means that the following would not happen in Armageddon: a man expressing shame at being beaten sparring by a woman; someone referring to women as needing protection or coddling; a woman being shamed for sexual promiscuity while a man is praised for it. Attitudes towards sexuality are broad. Homosexuality is common, and not seen as aberrant. Multiple sex partners are common among Zalanthans, particularly in the upper classes. If you intend to roleplay out adult scenes, please make sure you are aware of our consent rules.

[boog]

http://armageddon.org/intro/quickstart.html


Avoid imposing your own interpretations and norms on the game world. For example, there is no sexism on Zalanthas; women and men are treated equally. This means that the following would not happen in Armageddon: a man expressing shame at being beaten sparring by a woman; someone referring to women as needing protection or coddling; a woman being shamed for sexual promiscuity while a man is praised for it. Attitudes towards sexuality are broad. Homosexuality is common, and not seen as aberrant. Multiple sex partners are common among Zalanthans, particularly in the upper classes. If you intend to roleplay out adult scenes, please make sure you are aware of our consent rules.

I knew it was somewhere, you genius hipster you.

[Saellyn]

Please also note that calling somebody a woman, as an insult, is definitely NOT kosher.

[Jdr]

You're such a girl, Saellyn.

[Saellyn]

Shut up, MAN

[Kalai]

As a side note, if you wish to insult someone, one interesting way is to make casual reference to their elf/human-like qualities. (Depending on which race you're with. Dwarves can get away with either.)

[Saellyn]

As a side note, if you wish to insult someone, one interesting way is to make casual reference to their elf/human-like qualities. (Depending on which race you're with. Dwarves can get away with either.)

Gosh, Kalai, you're such a -BREED-

[Kalai]

As a side note, if you wish to insult someone, one interesting way is to make casual reference to their elf/human-like qualities. (Depending on which race you're with. Dwarves can get away with either.)

Gosh, Kalai, you're such a -BREED-

Ah, Saellyn, my weak-legged little roundear, you have much to learn.

[Reiloth]

Calling someone a girl or a boy as an insult I think refers more to their immaturity and age. I do agree using woman as an insult is not kosher, both IRL and in the game

[Is Friday]

What are you a girl or something?

[Saellyn]

Calling someone a girl or a boy as an insult I think refers more to their immaturity and age. I do agree using woman as an insult is not kosher, both IRL and in the game

Much like IRL, there are very strong, very dangerous women in Arm that can and WILL kick your ass, see?

[Is Friday]

Calling someone a girl or a boy as an insult I think refers more to their immaturity and age. I do agree using woman as an insult is not kosher, both IRL and in the game

Much like IRL, there are very strong, very dangerous women in Arm that can and WILL kick your ass, see?

Keep fantasizing. 

[boog]

Calling someone a girl or a boy as an insult I think refers more to their immaturity and age. I do agree using woman as an insult is not kosher, both IRL and in the game

Much like IRL, there are very strong, very dangerous women in Arm that can and WILL kick your ass, see?

Keep fantasizing. 

You mean your wife can't kick your ass? Hmmmmmmmmm.