lawman assassins and crim code

[Fredd]

Lawman in this game does not mean the same thing as on earth. Simple as that. The "Law" in the city states is what the templar tells you it is.

Even if he just made up a new law, like the law..... My blade goes in your kidneys from behind if I like your scarf.

As long as what they do doesn't bother the boss upstairs they can do whatever. If you don't like it, talk to the next one you meet about it. Say you've got some ideas for emancipation of the working class from the cruel whip of tyranny.

Sorta this.

In allanak it is very much well known that if you want to run a "protection racket" you join the militia. They are well known (and documented in the docs) for roughing people up, and abusing there power.

BUT I am fairly certain that if they became far to obvious about it (randomly lawstab someone in the gaj for there pretty necklace for instance) The Templars might get pissy. Depends on the templar I guess...

In Tuluk though, according to the docs, that wont fly. Though backstabbing them in a dark alley with no witnessess would probably fly, according to the docs.

[palomar]

The problem is, and it has been said already in this thread, that you should not hide behind the code. Crimcode does not apply to clanned militia, regardless of whether or not they wear their uniform. I can assure you that if would-be assassins were hiding behind clan-code (AoD/Legions) and crimcode immunity to kill people while out of uniform, things would change real quick for them. It wouldn't just be their PC bosses having something to say, but their staff as well, I'm pretty sure.

I've seen someone argue that the militia could use the Way, and that they'd be aware of the undercover assassin... Well. I don't know the exact number of citizens in 'nak and Tuluk, nor the number of soldiers in their armies but there's a lot of people. I bet you that average Private Amos of the Fluffy Maces unit wouldn't recognize, or normally even have anything to do with Undercover Malik of the Quirri Thongs unit. He'd bash Malik's skull in for stabbing someone on his shift, then let the Templar ask the questions. Sure, special situations and secret ops could be arranged. I doubt it'd be common place though.

Militia soldiers, regardless of citystate, do not get to kill and maim as they please without facing the consequences. They are not the Law.

[palomar]

In Tuluk though, according to the docs, that wont fly. Though backstabbing them in a dark alley with no witnessess would probably fly, according to the docs.

A Legionnaire would be aware of the fact that you need a license to kill someone. Alley-stabbing someone without a license while in uniform probably isn't the best career move. It is also pretty much going against the documentation in more than one way.

[Synthesis]

[brytta.leofa]

Yeah, someday, before my Armageddon career ends, I'm going to gloriously fight my way out of Storm's End.

[jstorrie]

Alley-stabbing someone without a license while in uniform probably isn't the best career move

...if you get caught.

[Marshmellow]

The point is that they shouldn't, period.  It is generally alien to the culture.  A Tuluki doing that is like some guy with a keg under one arm, a trucker cap and sleeveless flannel going to the ballet.

[Cindy42]

The point is that they shouldn't, period.  It is generally alien to the culture.  A Tuluki doing that is like some guy with a keg under one arm, a trucker cap and sleeveless flannel going to the ballet.

okay, so... if i've got this right;

assasin working for templar kills random unwashed dude in public in tuluk= dead.
assasin working for templar kills random unwashed dude in hidden place in tuluk= don't get caught.
assasin working for templar kills random unwashed dude in public in allanak= don't do it for breakfast every day.
assasin working for templar kills random unwashed dude in hidden place in allanak= don't do it for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day.
assasin not working for templar kills random unwashed dude in tuluk= don't get caught.
assasin not working for templar kills random unwashed dude in allanak= don't bother the templars.

is this correct? i have a feeling its not. i'm confused now.

[palomar]

http://www.armageddon.org/general/tuluki_rp.html#legal

An assassin registers for free, but must purchase a separate "license" for each assassination. A license is not a tangible object, but rather a pledge from the templarate not to act on the findings of an investigation - provided the crime has been committed as recorded, and executed with skill and discretion.

The above is important to remember about Tuluki assassinations.

In Tuluk, a registered assassin (regardless of who she works for) can buy a license to kill another citizen or non-citizen. If they screw up, they're in trouble. If they don't screw up the hit, they're mostly good (from a law perspective).

Killing someone in Tuluk without proper licensing is a serious crime because every citizen should be aware of that particular law.

Tulukis do not appreciate public violence at all. Sure, there's fistfights and brawling in Tuluk just as anywhere else, but stabbing someone in public is not accepted behavior.

Regardless of city, a militia member PC should not abuse their crimcode immunity, that's the point of my previous posts. Crimcode immunity doesn't come with the uniform, it is a coded feature due to clan membership. It is not realistic for a militia member to be immune to crimcode when they're out of uniform (in almost all cases). The militia-assassin does not get crimflagged, and the victim would be crimflagged for striking back at the militia guy. Is it really something to be arguing about?

[Taven]

The point is that they shouldn't, period.  It is generally alien to the culture.  A Tuluki doing that is like some guy with a keg under one arm, a trucker cap and sleeveless flannel going to the ballet.

okay, so... if i've got this right;

assasin working for templar kills random unwashed dude in public in tuluk= dead.
assasin working for templar kills random unwashed dude in hidden place in tuluk= don't get caught.
assasin working for templar kills random unwashed dude in public in allanak= don't do it for breakfast every day.
assasin working for templar kills random unwashed dude in hidden place in allanak= don't do it for breakfast, lunch and dinner every day.
assasin not working for templar kills random unwashed dude in tuluk= don't get caught.
assasin not working for templar kills random unwashed dude in allanak= don't bother the templars.

is this correct? i have a feeling its not. i'm confused now.

Most people in Zalanthas are unwashed.

It depends on if they get caught, and who the commanding templars are. I think that there is a strong chance that they would see repercussions for randomly killing someone. An assassin has a lot of power. The templars want to know that they control that power. If they don't, then that means it's an issue to them. It would be different, I think, if the person was not so random, and had done something grievous against the assassin. However, it is never okay to kill a citizen without templar permission as a lawman assassin. By that I mean that even if this Lord Templar Hardnose is okay with it, another might not be. I would also argue that the repercussions faced could be potentially worse for an assassin already working for the law. If a random assassin (low level) gets caught, a Templar might give them a second chance and say "work for me". However, if you're already working for them, you've proven that you can't be controlled. Again, it really, really depends on who it is, what their reasons are, how useful they are, and the commanding templars at the time.

I don't think a real generalization can be made.

As to the coded immunity of assassin lawmen, I think that that's an issue for any killing that isn't official. If you're killing someone not ordained by the templars in any area where you could get crime coded, that's clear abuse. As to official killings, I think you would probably want to communicate with staff first. As in, it's probably possible to work through the hoops and let the NPC/vNPC soldiers stationed in a general area know that a killing might occur there. If you don't communicate and aren't wearing insignia, then I could see a soldier realistically arresting you, because they have no way to know what is going on. Staff communication by wishes and requests would be key.

[Marshmellow]

A good Tuluki, which most Legion members should be, should WANT to play by the rules.  There is an art form to killing people, and when you play by the rules of the art, you're cool.  Any misstep, however, and you should be treated (regardless of coded clan affiliation) as an unwashed barbarian.  You MUST get a license before killing someone to be playing by the rules, and the Legions should know this.

[Fredd]

A good Tuluki, which most Legion members should be, should WANT to play by the rules.  There is an art form to killing people, and when you play by the rules of the art, you're cool.  Any misstep, however, and you should be treated (regardless of coded clan affiliation) as an unwashed barbarian.  You MUST get a license before killing someone to be playing by the rules, and the Legions should know this.

They could be ordered to make someone "dissapear"

But that in itself would be  liscense.

[palomar]

A good Tuluki, which most Legion members should be, should WANT to play by the rules.  There is an art form to killing people, and when you play by the rules of the art, you're cool.  Any misstep, however, and you should be treated (regardless of coded clan affiliation) as an unwashed barbarian.  You MUST get a license before killing someone to be playing by the rules, and the Legions should know this.

They could be ordered to make someone "dissapear"

But that in itself would be  liscense.

Legionnaires don't disappear people, templars do. However, a Legionnaire could potentially also be a doing licensed assassinations. It's different business though.

[Cindy42]

Aaaaah. Okay.

the right hands of the templars--- deeply involved in the drudgery of the politics without having an actual role in the politics themselves.

i think, just an idea, if someone wanted to play a noble who became an assasin... aw that sounded good and doable for a moment. now it sounds like asking if someone wants to ride a unicorn IG.

seriously though. be very cool if some dirt happened and this thread inspired it

[Fredd]

Aaaaah. Okay.

the right hands of the templars--- deeply involved in the drudgery of the politics without having an actual role in the politics themselves.

i think, just an idea, if someone wanted to play a noble who became an assasin... aw that sounded good and doable for a moment. now it sounds like asking if someone wants to ride a unicorn IG.

seriously though. be very cool if some dirt happened and this thread inspired it

Zalanthas is a very dirty world. You should look closer.

[Synthesis]

And again...not every Tuluki Legionnaire is a paragon of Tuluki virtue.  It's still quite possible for one to just lose his shit and gut your ass in a fit of furious rage, because Tulukis are still human, and that's the sort of shit humans do.

And in Allanak, a soldier doesn't -need- to ditch his uniform to punk your bitch ass.  Anyone watching him slice you up will naturally assume you deserved it, and every soldier within earshot will probably come running to get a piece of the action.  If you weren't important to anyone, and he has a good cover story, you won't be missed.

[Kismetic]

If the murder was IC, I'd say, quit complaining.  But, from a coded standpoint, I see playing in a military clan (with coded benefits) as more a defense, than an offense.  More or less, "Hey, buddy, you can't fuck with me on my turf.  I'm militia."

Using that benefit to orchestrate a kill you couldn't normally pull off?  Less than creative, yes.  Is it necessary to keep integrity for your character and the game?  Do it.

Every action has a consequence.  As long as you're willing to take responsibility ...


Personally, I think NPCs should only auto-attack when the clanned PC is -attacked-, and not when attacking.  That's a lot of jarring actions (that may not be strictly IC) hanging on a single command (kill so-and-so).

For instance, imagine Private Joe Soldier attacking a Salarri family member, and with the help of crimcode, killing them.  Would the militia -really- join in such a dangerous attack with some guy who signed up last week to pay up his spice addiction?

Food for thought.

[palomar]

For instance, imagine Private Joe Soldier attacking a Salarri family member, and with the help of crimcode, killing them.  Would the militia -really- join in such a dangerous attack with some guy who signed up last week to pay up his spice addiction?

There are several reasons why the Recruit rank exists in the militia clans. Anyway, attacking someone to get the benefit of crimcode advantage is pretty bad (so is attacking someone get the benefit of your whole tribe's camp to join in the combat etc). I never did that, but I mention it since I was explicitly told by a staff member once to make sure I didn't. I don't recommend doing it.

[Majikal]

There's a reason you're expected to drop in a report on any PK you do. After the first PK report that starts with "So I waited in the intersection full of npc soldiers to gank this newb for his boots." I think some action might be taken.

[Thunkkin]

you won't be missed.

Your screams, however, may be fondly remembered.

[Cindy42]

i wish there was a way to slip something onto someone else, like the opposite of steal command.

i would like to declare that this is a serious suggestion also.

[bcw81]

There is.

>Plant

[Cindy42]

There is.

>Plant

thank you!

/embarrasing long-time noobness

[Fredd]

There is.

>Plant

Ahh one of my favorite commands....

Only seen it once. Had someone plant money on my pc who was down on his luck, and refused to take a handout.

[Synthesis]

There is.

>Plant

Ahh one of my favorite commands....

Only seen it once. Had someone plant money on my pc who was down on his luck, and refused to take a handout.

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