Not so random thoughts on apartments

[Ghost]

i sense there will be a lot of tables and beds open for sale soon

[Sinna]

Why do I think characters weren't thinking "You know, a nice tile-topped table will go nice in here..."  but rather the player going "How can I get more shit in here?"
Feel skeptical and a little grumpy.

[Thunkkin]

i sense there will be a lot of tables and beds open for sale soon

If you know what I mean!  Wink wink!  Nudge nudge!

[Synthesis]

i sense there will be a lot of tables and beds open for sale soon

What's more likely to happen is that all the independent crafters who were saving raw materials up for special orders by PCs will spend a few days madly spamcrafting it all and dumping it into shops so it doesn't just get zorched.

[Synthesis]

I'd also like to point out that the reduction in apartment size is quite annoying when taken in the context of how the crafting system works.

Unless you already have a gigantic compilation of crafting recipes, you basically have to keep one of everything you find around in your apartment, so you can play the Mix-and-Match Find the Hidden Recipe game.

I mean, fortunately -I- can just do a ctrl-f real quick and search my database because I took the time to record pretty much everything I've crafted over the years, but I'm sure there are many players out there who don't have that particular luxury.

And honestly:  what's the big farking deal about storing shit in your apartment, anyway?  It -can't- be anything particularly useful, or the burglars would've removed it already.

[Aaron Goulet]

Apartments aren't warehouses.  Warehouses are warehouses.

[Synthesis]

I think there should be a general "crafter sit-in" where everyone with a subclass crafting skill sits in the local tavern for the next few days and crafts all the stuff they now need to get rid of.

[RogueGunslinger]

Apartments aren't warehouses.  Warehouses are warehouses.

That's exactly what they are in Armageddon. It's not like people buy apartments to sleep more.



Edit: I was late to this one, wasn't I?

[Ashes]

Why do I think characters weren't thinking "You know, a nice tile-topped table will go nice in here..."  but rather the player going "How can I get more shit in here?"
Feel skeptical and a little grumpy.

As he thoughtfully thumbs at his scraggly beard, you say, in sirihish:
                       "Now, how can ah get more shit in 'ere?"

[AmandaGreathouse]

Can't help throwing a little snark in this morning, so here it is:

People are going to keep using their apartments for warehouses. All this means is that they fit less.

Which means that those people will be renting more apartments for more storage.

And as an aside: I feel like this is a poor fix. I really, really do. Feels like arm is turning into 'clan and ranger mud!' where if you want to get by without spending most of your time logged in working rather than interacting you need to join a clan, and if you want to be able to go when you need to, you need to play a ranger.

The merchant guild has little enough going for it with independent pcs. This is just another nerf that's going to fuck them.

Not like it matters much.

[Boggis]

People just need to get out of the habit of storing every single thing they make that they will never, ever sell. With my last merchant in Kadius I went through the storage bins which were full PC made crap and junked 90% of it. Nobody ever noticed it was gone.

[Cutthroat]

People are going to keep using their apartments for warehouses. All this means is that they fit less.

It means apartments will fit the amount of stuff that they are supposed to. I don't think there's a reason to worry unless oversized things have been in your room for a long time.

Which means that those people will be renting more apartments for more storage.

Call me a sucker, but I wish people could only get one apartment per city. What is currently possible is a bit silly for a variety of IC and OOC reasons.

And as an aside: I feel like this is a poor fix. I really, really do. Feels like arm is turning into 'clan and ranger mud!' where if you want to get by without spending most of your time logged in working rather than interacting you need to join a clan, and if you want to be able to go when you need to, you need to play a ranger.

The merchant guild has little enough going for it with independent pcs. This is just another nerf that's going to fuck them.

I can see how one might see it that way, but how was the game supposed to be designed in the first place? Indies are by definition supposed to have a harder time in life than clanned people. Rangers are supposed to be better at going out than everyone else. And lastly, work and interaction can go (one might argue, -should- go) hand-in-hand.

[musashi]

Can't help throwing a little snark in this morning, so here it is:

People are going to keep using their apartments for warehouses. All this means is that they fit less.

Which means that those people will be renting more apartments for more storage.

And as an aside: I feel like this is a poor fix. I really, really do. Feels like arm is turning into 'clan and ranger mud!' where if you want to get by without spending most of your time logged in working rather than interacting you need to join a clan, and if you want to be able to go when you need to, you need to play a ranger.

The merchant guild has little enough going for it with independent pcs. This is just another nerf that's going to fuck them.

Not like it matters much.

People should probably ease up on complaining about changes that are already going in and try to adapt to them instead of being all health care reform republician about it. Run with it and see what's actually happening with its implementation first at least, because staff sees more of the picture than we do.

Merchants can make more than enough money without storing lots of junk in their apartment beyond its capacity limit. Even newbie indie merchants who don't know any crafting recipies.

People just get so over dramatic.

[Ghost]

one apartment per city is a viable option

[musashi]

Why not just 1 apartment period? Since nenyuk is running all of them I mean.

[Ghost]

some people travel between cities

dont be harsh

[Gunnerblaster]

I've never rented an apartment, but I would totally use it to mudsex.

Up 'til now I've just been using back alleys and out-of-the-way rooms.

That's hardcore. 

[Booya]

Maybe limit apartments to players with karma?

[spawnloser]

Limiting to 1 worldwide is too harsh, if you ask me.

Limiting to 2 per city would be fine, actually.  People have to move and it's best done while one apartment still has some rent on it.

Limiting it to only players with karma?  There was a 4 karma role in game that bragged about how much she used to make at the apartment lottery.

[Cutthroat]

Oops, I hadn't thought about moving. 2/city is pretty good, yep. One worldwide apartment is not going to be the best way to accommodate traveling PCs.

[Thunkkin]

Two per city is also good so that the Scarlet Pimpernel can have his fancy apartment where he sips wine with nobles and his dingy apartment where he makes his plans with the secret society his trusted compatriots (who never guess his true identity, well, oh yeah, except for the mdesc thing).

[Aaron Goulet]

Am I the only person who read Vanth's most recent post in the weight limit announcement thread and thought, "That person is totally going to get robbed now"?  Along with every other person's apartment they break into trying to find that one, of course.

[Cutthroat]

Am I the only person who read Vanth's most recent post in the weight limit announcement thread and thought, "That person is totally going to get robbed now"?  Along with every other person's apartment they break into trying to find that one, of course.

I thought, "Wow, some players were treating this as if the sky was falling and this room appears to have 9 things you can put stuff in or on."

But yours is an interesting thought too.
A human cut-throat's eyes shift from one side to the other.

[Ghost]

i dont understand why it is 2 per city instead of 1 per city?

what do you mean moving?

[spawnloser]

Moving from a crappy apartment into a better one when it becomes available?  People do this.