Subguild w/ Ranger 'Vision'

[FantasyWriter]

We need a subguild with ranger 'vision': The ability to navigate all but the worst of storms.

Subguild Caravan Guide     (Character)

Caravan guides are skilled in desert travel, whether it be on a mount or piloting a wagon. They are skilled in assessing goods, and most have learned at least a smattering of the nomadic tongue.

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I think Caravan Guide should be the one.

Comments? Staff opinion?

[Lizzie]

Totally agree. I would feel so much more comfortable about playing a desert-elf NON-ranger, if I had ranger-vision. Someone who is born "out there," spends their entire lives "out there" and does most of his business "out there" should know more about "out there" than any city-bred human fuck-twat even on his best rangering day.

Alternately, give desert elves ranger vision.

[RogueGunslinger]

I think Ive suggested this before. Good idea.

[Voular]

All the subguilds Hunter/Nomad/Caravan Guard/Scavanger could fit.

[brytta.leofa]

We need a subguild with ranger 'vision': The ability to navigate all but the worst of storms.

Subguild Caravan Guide     (Character)

Caravan guides are skilled in desert travel, whether it be on a mount or piloting a wagon.

Totally agree.  Rangers still have perks a-plenty (including desert quit), and this would make them a tad less sniffable.  Cap it so that, unlike proper rangers, they still have to hunker down when the weather gets to "blinding, biting sand" or so.

This would open up some nice new concepts.  And it puts my view of Caravan Guide at "tempted, but still cringing at the skills I miss by picking it" (hunt, archery, mounted combat).  That usually means it's a good balance.

[Ourla]

I could definitely get behind this.

[Cutthroat]

All the subguilds Hunter/Nomad/Caravan Guard/Scavanger could fit.

True, but all those other than caravan guide already have plenty of great perks.

I agree with brytta about caravan guide's current apparent usefulness, and like the original idea.

[FantasyWriter]

All the subguilds Hunter/Nomad/Caravan Guard/Scavanger could fit.

True, but all those other than caravan guide already have plenty of great perks.

I agree with brytta about caravan guide's current apparent usefulness, and like the original idea.

That's why I thought it would be the best place to put it as well.
I would hate to have more than one subguild get it and all of a sudden everyone was running around in sandstorms like they were nothing.

[Akoto]

I can get behind this. It suits the subguild, right down to the description that's already written.

The only other subguild I feel is strongly deserving would be Nomad. I don't think that people who spend their lives outside, moving from place to place, should have as much difficulty navigating storms.

[AmandaGreathouse]

I can get behind this. It suits the subguild, right down to the description that's already written.

The only other subguild I feel is strongly deserving would be Nomad. I don't think that people who spend their lives outside, moving from place to place, should have as much difficulty navigating storms.

Definitely agree.

I'd love to see both nomad and caravan guide get this.

[FantasyWriter]

I can dig them both.

[FuSoYa]

I just want to throw in that I also endorse this.

Brandon

[jhunter]

Yes, caravan guide should be the only other option besides ranger that has this ability. Maybe nomad as well, not one-hundred percent sure on that one though.

[FuSoYa]

Yes, caravan guide should be the only other option besides ranger that has this ability.

I don't know.  I think they might have a valid point with nomad as well.

Brandon

[jhunter]

Lol, was editing as you posted apparently.

[Gunnerblaster]

I like this idea.

[brytta.leofa]

C'mon, let's get some disagreeablement in this thread.

Anybody?  I poke you, Synthesis.

[Gimfalisette]

I think giving the skill to one subguild would be a good idea, but not to more--since we don't really want the usefulness of these PCs and their ability to guide other people through storms to get diluted. Caravan guide makes sense, nomad not particularly.

That's the best I can do for disagreement, brytta.

[brytta.leofa]

Caravan guide makes sense, nomad not particularly.

I generally agree.  The only difficulty I see is that indie human tribals are required to pick the nomad subguild.  (Yet I don't want to see a proliferation of unconnected tribals just 'cause people want storm navigation.)

[Akoto]

I don't see how Nomad would make any less sense, really. Caravan guides lead people through the wilderness, moving from place to place. Nomads live in the wilderness, moving from place to place.

Heck, if anything, I'd say Nomads are equally or better justified. Caravan guides learn to exist in storms as a trade, whereas for Nomads, it's a way of life.

[Gimfalisette]

The concept of a nomad is not of an individual character who moves place to place on their own, alone; it's of a tribe that moves place to place, together. The nomad is an individual in that tribe, but that individual does not necessarily possess the skills to make him/herself independently sufficient.

I do not find arguments that are basically about making individual PCs more self-sufficient compelling, because generally speaking I think that interdependencies are good for the game and less interdependency is bad.

[Rotten]

No.  The ranger's immunity from directional randomness has more far-reaching effects than storms.  It would be pretty bad.  Trust me.

[FantasyWriter]

This would not necessarily help only indies.
I've been stuck places several times with other PCs and waiting on a guild_ranger to show up so we could get from point A to point B and it never happened.

I've also rolled up two PCs that I would MUCH rather had another guild, but chose ranger because they moved form place to place quite a bit.
Rangers are about SURVIVING outside, not just "passing through" outside, although they can be that as well.

[brytta.leofa]

No.  The ranger's immunity from directional randomness has more far-reaching effects than storms.  It would be pretty bad.  Trust me.

Oh, I've done a few twinky things with ranger awesomeness.  Maybe it would require code changes to pull off a limited version for a subguild, and maybe it ain't worth it.  One simple help might be to add a city vs. desert check to (at least) the subguild version.

But if you look purely at the ability to Not Get Lost in Gritty Sand Blows, that's a very reasonable addition to caravan_guide, which is otherwise not an especially attractive wilderness subguild.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

Nomad and Caravan Guide - by all means. That works very well for me.