Subguild w/ Ranger 'Vision'

[Thunkkin]

I support Caravan Guide getting it. 

I agree with Gimf that nomads should not get it.  Navigation is central to the caravan guide subguild.  Moving about every few months with your family in the scrub for the first 15 years of your life doesn't mean you can handle southern sandstorms.  But, beyond logic, I think limiting it to one subguild keeps the rarity of the ability while increasing options for character concepts and role flexibility. 

... and hey, I actually have a caravan guide concept I've been wanting to try, but the main guild wouldn't be ranger, so I haven't tried it because of the sandstorm issue ...

[Cerelum]

I'm just going to mention that I haven't used any subguild to my knowledge that didn't infer some type of benefit to the character.  IE Hunter to play part ranger, or Linguist to speak all those languages or Thief to steal.

Caravan guide just didn't seem to be at all attractive, if this change is made, it would open up the world of apps I've had in mind for Warrior/Ranger hybrids and that would be excellent.

[Gunnerblaster]

If not for roleplaying reasons, I'd like another class with the ability to travel through sandstorms just so people don't instantly spot Guild_Ranger when someone can move through a storm without getting blown away.

A Caravan Guide makes the most sense since he/she is responsible for leading CARAVANS and what-not, through the desert.

[MarshallDFX]

I am noobish, but it seems to me that "caravan guide" seems like a subguild with rather limited use.  Only if you're playing a leader PC of a merchant house or something.  This might make it a little more useful, or would it imbalance?

[FuSoYa]

I am noobish, but it seems to me that "caravan guide" seems like a subguild with rather limited use.  Only if you're playing a leader PC of a merchant house or something.  This might make it a little more useful, or would it imbalance?

It is of limited use in my opinion.

Then again, sometimes you pick them just because they fit your character and grumble, grumble, grumble.

Brandon

[Thunkkin]

Also, this might further liven up Red Storm.  It would allow characters that have lived all their life in a pretty much 24/7 sandstorm to not get lost the moment they set foot in their backyard.

[a strange shadow]

Having caravan guides who are actually able to guide caravans does make sense. Give 'em sandstorm nav.

[FantasyWriter]

Having caravan guides who are actually able to guide caravans does make sense.

Could not have been worded better at all.

[valeria]

I'm a fan of this idea. 

I do agree with those who think it should be just caravan guides though, and not nomads, because it would seem to suit caravan guides twice as well, and seems to me like it would give that subguild more viability.   And I also don't think everybody and their brother should have it, or it would stop being special.

[FuSoYa]

I'm going to jump in right now and say I endorse this even more.

Brandon

[Synthesis]

While we're on a similar topic:

subclass scavenger should get forage_food.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I also agree with this. And nomad, too. In fact, nomad should have this more than they should have 'ranger vision'.

[jhunter]

I totally agree.

[Reiloth]

this is an agreeable thread. More like these plz!

[Gunnerblaster]

Now I wonder what the Staff thinks about this.

[Bluefae]

Having caravan guides who are actually able to guide caravans does make sense. Give 'em sandstorm nav.

     Like FW said, this is about as tight a line of argument as you're going to find on the GDB.     Fully agree.

[Fathi]

No.  The ranger's immunity from directional randomness has more far-reaching effects than storms.  It would be pretty bad.  Trust me.

If it would be that bad, you should send an email to staff so that these problems can be addressed. We probably have more rangers in the game at any given time than any other guild, but I can't say I've ever seen this abused.

+1 to the idea. Let them eat cake guide caravans.

[Good Gortok]

All characters should be able to learn how to travel in a sandstorm. It isn't reasonable that it should be some sort of genetic trait that some people just know but can only be learned up to some point in your life and then never again. I'm not sure what skill to tie it into currently (ride seems the only marginally plausible one, and even then not really) but it should not just be granted to some subguild because it would only tone the problem down one notch, and then everyone would take that subguild.

[Clearsighted]

All characters should be able to learn how to travel in a sandstorm. It isn't reasonable that it should be some sort of genetic trait that some people just know but can only be learned up to some point in your life and then never again. I'm not sure what skill to tie it into currently (ride seems the only marginally plausible one, and even then not really) but it should not just be granted to some subguild because it would only tone the problem down one notch, and then everyone would take that subguild.

I agree. Everytime you get turned around in a sandstorm, you should become a little better at navigating them.

There's other stuff in the game that works similarly. Like resistance to being reeled.

[spawnloser]

Stick to the Ranger Vision idea, though, there's another full-on class that should get it, if you ask me.

[musashi]

I don't think nomads should get it, for reasons Gimf already expressed ... though I find it annoying to no end that human tribals have to take that subguild in order to be a tribal while desert elves are free to subguild whatever they want ... as if desert elves needed more advantages. I wish human tribals were a seperate race option instead of a subguild.

I also just have to point out that there are other, all be it karma required, classes that are able to shrug off the misdirectional effects of sandstorms and darkness, so it isn't a 100% tell tale sign that someone is a ranger if they can move through a sandstorm ... it is a 100% tell tale sign if they quit out in a room not flagged for quitting, however.

And just to be the first to disagree with the OP, I have to say I'm not sure that caravan guides need the ability either, mostly because, unless I'm mistaken (and hey I very well may be!) guiding a caravan (wagon, argosy, yargosy, what have you) takes place inside the transport in the pilot's chamber, safe from the worries of the storm outside, doesn't it? It seems to me like they can already pilot a transport through a sandstorm because of that ... and if their primary method of weathering the storm has always been to be safe and snug inside a pilot's deck, then I can see them being turned upside down when caught in the storm with only a facewrap between them.

[FantasyWriter]

Heh, thanks for your ATS post, Cerelum.

[X-D]

No subguild should get it.

The ability is quite powerful and if a subguild could get it then some main guilds that should never be allowed to have such a thing, if only for balance reasons, would.

And nomad? My god, nomads are a people or culture. They travel in groups not one at a time. Definitly not. When the camp moves, the rangers/hunters lead...Duh.

No, really, I do not feel sorry for anybody who picks other then ranger on a wilderness PC, that is what you picked bub, he is just not quite as good in the wilderness...for whatever reason.

Now, I'm not against somebody learning storm travel over the course of 10-20 years play.

Or Mundane classes who are willing to give up at least 3 main class skills for it.

Otherwise, Pick class ranger, Or have a ranger friend, or hire a ranger.

[Bluefae]

     To Musashi's point - are caravan guides currently able to guide caravans through storms as he describes?  I'm honestly not sure.  I thought not, but it's been a goodly while since I've been in that role.  (Might be a "Find out IC" situation, but there's really nowhere more that facet of the discussion can go if it is.)

[Thorg]

I don't think nomads should get it, for reasons Gimf already expressed ... though I find it annoying to no end that human tribals have to take that subguild in order to be a tribal while desert elves are free to subguild whatever they want ... as if desert elves needed more advantages. I wish human tribals were a seperate race option instead of a subguild.

I also just have to point out that there are other, all be it karma required, classes that are able to shrug off the misdirectional effects of sandstorms and darkness, so it isn't a 100% tell tale sign that someone is a ranger if they can move through a sandstorm ... it is a 100% tell tale sign if they quit out in a room not flagged for quitting, however.

And just to be the first to disagree with the OP, I have to say I'm not sure that caravan guides need the ability either, mostly because, unless I'm mistaken (and hey I very well may be!) guiding a caravan (wagon, argosy, yargosy, what have you) takes place inside the transport in the pilot's chamber, safe from the worries of the storm outside, doesn't it? It seems to me like they can already pilot a transport through a sandstorm because of that ... and if their primary method of weathering the storm has always been to be safe and snug inside a pilot's deck, then I can see them being turned upside down when caught in the storm with only a facewrap between them.

Just for the record: Only Benjari and independent (non-coded) tribes have to take nomad as a subguild. Arabet, Al'Seik, etc. all have to be applied for through the clan immortal to receive their accents and language.