How elves regard humans?

[Armaddict]

Humans are prey.  They trust too easily.

[spawnloser]

Which is what I'm worried about; RPing a C-Elf badly. Then again, a lot of humans have been treating me as another human, no rascism or anything, even buying me food and water.. No sneering or anything. Friendly!

So deny that assistance!  They're obviously trying to lure you into complacency so that they can dupe you into doing what they want you to do!  Manipulate them into doing what you want them to do so that your character can accomplish his/her own goals.  Maybe you could accept their assistance with the plan to lure them further in by confusing them into thinking that you're as pathetic as you seem, then lead them to their deaths so that you can harvest their belongings for the good of the tribe!

[loopylobes]

This is what I need, insight into the elf mindset. Thanks ! 

[Armaddict]

Yeah.  Look at them incredulously.  If they offer you water, you should be suspecting that water is poison.  You should be suspecting ulterior motives.  Investigate, delve into the head of whoever is being nice for no reason.  If you find out they really -are- just being nice?  Awesome.  This one will be -easy- to scam.

[Eloran]

If someone were offering me free stuff as an elf, I'd take it in a heartbeat, and laugh internally. Not my fault they're too trusting. 

Most of my elves always come into a situation aiming to get something for free. They're always in a scam, no matter HOW small said scam is.

This stems from their natural pride and longing to con others. Stealing is an art.

If your elf wouldn't take charity because he's too prideful, that's awesome.

If your elf would take charity because he deems the situation an easy scam, that's awesome.

There are a multitude of avenues for you to take.

Good luck, and enjoy.

[Dar]

Which is what I'm worried about; RPing a C-Elf badly. Then again, a lot of humans have been treating me as another human, no rascism or anything, even buying me food and water.. No sneering or anything. Friendly!

So deny that assistance!  They're obviously trying to lure you into complacency so that they can dupe you into doing what they want you to do!  Manipulate them into doing what you want them to do so that your character can accomplish his/her own goals.  Maybe you could accept their assistance with the plan to lure them further in by confusing them into thinking that you're as pathetic as you seem, then lead them to their deaths so that you can harvest their belongings for the good of the tribe!

Whoa. There is being paranoid, and there is purposefully pissing people off who can possibly have you killed.  I would say ... trust the elves to be elves, and help them by treating elves like they deserve.  Elves are not magickers, they're not so damn extremely unbelievably useful/poweful/connected, that being mean to them might mean death for you. So be goddamn mean to them. But if people are nice, it would ... in my opinion, be 'against' theme for the celf not to use that to their advantage.  If an HG comes and gives me all of his coins, I'm not going to say no. And what is humanity to celves if not a collection of HGs?

[ibusoe]

I dunno, I've just never seen a well done city elf, ever.

Recently, I agree. However, I can count a number of very well-played c-elves in the past. Mostly from the Rinth and one from Tuluk. The minumum requirement to be considered being that they lasted a RL month at least.

Basically, I think that playing an elf would be a good way to maintain a certain degree of anonymity.  Most humans wouldn't want to get close enough to smell you, and besides all elves look alike, don't they?

Yeah, I can definitely agree with that.  It's really hard to make a city elf last for a while.  Mostly it's because of the humans that RP around them.  People seem to play on the assumption that all elves must be gangsters, when realistically few elves would have these sorts of social connections or skill level. 

I think that if humans were better played, 60% would think that they couldn't have any reason to look at en elf except to spit on one.  Another 30% would be afraid to talk to elves (period) while secretly wishing they had the courage to pick on them. 

Oh, and I also like the below post.

An elf in a clan (presumming the elf was allowed into the clan in the first place) could be there for a few reasons.
1) Either they join because they are living for themselves (tribeless) and joining the clan further improves their chance of surviving.
2) Because they are about to pull a scam for their tribe.
3) They (the tribeless elves) identify best with the clan, and have come to view the clan (or members within that clan) like trusted members of their (newfound) tribe.

Depending on which of those three your elf falls into would determine how your elf would react to the clan.

Edit:  Oh yeah, and PC reaction against PC theft is overly harsh.

[Dar]

I dont understand. Why would they be afraid to talk to an elf? If you work all day, hard labor, to eek out a living, you need to release some steam. And here you have elves on whom you can pick at, and know that majority of the tavern would support 'you' if it comes to violence.

You dont have to be a 'ganster' to steal, and all elves steal. Even if you as elf never stole in your life and always gave to charity, you still stole. Infact, a 'ganster' elf might end up garnering more respect then a honest, unaffiliated elf.

[ibusoe]

I dont understand. Why would they be afraid to talk to an elf? If you work all day, hard labor, to eek out a living, you need to release some steam. And here you have elves on whom you can pick at, and know that majority of the tavern would support 'you' if it comes to violence.

Naw, you have a point buddy.  But you're probably braver than average.  Many people fear criminals of all description (picture a bunch of old Victorian Ladies sitting around a parlor).

[SMuz]

On clanless elves, I've always assumed that PCs are like NPCs - but something special made them stand out. IMHO, most thieves, burglars, and untribed elves would be PCs simply because their chosen way of life drastically lowers their life span and inspires them to doing something they won't otherwise do. An untribed elf is rare, so rare and unique that most would-be PCs. Similar applies to the other cliche about a person being orphaned, or leaving his family because of an argument/abuse/relative dying.

Elves are the most popular non-human race in the world, right? The three or so untribed PC elves vs the massive amounts of vNPC tribal elves looks like a logical ratio.

Which is what I'm worried about; RPing a C-Elf badly. Then again, a lot of humans have been treating me as another human, no rascism or anything, even buying me food and water.. No sneering or anything. Friendly!

Dude, why does your elf get free food and water? I could play like a human warrior and not get either. I'd say that something to definitely be paranoid of

[SmashedTregil]

I dont understand. Why would they be afraid to talk to an elf? If you work all day, hard labor, to eek out a living, you need to release some steam. And here you have elves on whom you can pick at, and know that majority of the tavern would support 'you' if it comes to violence.

Naw, you have a point buddy.  But you're probably braver than average.  Many people fear criminals of all description (picture a bunch of old Victorian Ladies sitting around a parlor).

Those ... 'ladies' would be afraid of everyone in Gaj, elf or no elf. Hell, they'd take a look at Vennant's excuse for a clean mug and have themselves a fainting streak. Welcome to the grit.

[spicemustflow]

Also, not all tribes need to number hundreds of members. There are plenty of tribes that are closer to big families, so you don't need some cataclysm or Borsail raid to wipe the whole tribe away. A war over a spice selling place would do just fine.

You don't realize it, but you're arguing my side here.  Big families?  Sure, it's a tribe.  Document it in your initial bio entry and expand upon it in further bio entries and stick by that documentation that you've begun.  Perhaps recruit people to play a few other members?  Maybe your family/tribe will grow and maybe it won't.  Absorb those that have lost tribes in...

...but when it all comes down to it, every elf should have a tribe, no matter how small that tribe.  That tribe should have as much documentation, in the end and if it survives, as any of the coded tribes.  There is history, and even if your character isn't aware of it, YOU should be aware of it.

You're saying that it's inconceivable for an elf to have absolutely no idea about his former tribes beliefs and customs? That it's against the docs to state that in your bio? If so, I'm definitely not arguing your side.

I dont understand. Why would they be afraid to talk to an elf? If you work all day, hard labor, to eek out a living, you need to release some steam. And here you have elves on whom you can pick at, and know that majority of the tavern would support 'you' if it comes to violence.

No, you can't release some steam when almost half of any tavern is filled by elves. Sure, they probably won't help someone not belonging to their tribe, but you don't know that. Humans and elves have been living together for thousands of years. They're not in love, sure, but if every elf (or a majority of elves) would ruin or murder a human, as someone here said, they would have been put to the torch by the Templarate a long time ago. The period of adapting to city life and its norms was long ago for any tribe that still survives.

As for humans, it's hard to freak out at an elf if every second person you see on your way to the stables you work in is an elf. I'm not arguing for cities being multicultural paradises of tolerance, far from it, but they're not really in the state of civil war.

[Nile]

If you have a problem with the city elf tribes being closed, bitch about them being closed to the appropriate staff.

Oh, and I never said you had to have a coded clan/tribe.  I said you'd better, ffs, put some thought into your tribe and KNOW as much about your virtual tribe as you would know about your coded tribe if you were in one.  The lamer than a parapalegic with a sprained ankle "my tribe was wiped out" EXCUSE is old... and not only that, it's pathetic and cheesy and cliche.

If you aren't going to play an elf as a member of a tribe, you may as well special app a human with a buffed agility, because that's what you're doing.  I despise running into city elves in game because they all act like tall, skinny humans.

nerd.

[RogueGunslinger]

If you have a problem with the city elf tribes being closed, bitch about them being closed to the appropriate staff.

Oh, and I never said you had to have a coded clan/tribe.  I said you'd better, ffs, put some thought into your tribe and KNOW as much about your virtual tribe as you would know about your coded tribe if you were in one.  The lamer than a parapalegic with a sprained ankle "my tribe was wiped out" EXCUSE is old... and not only that, it's pathetic and cheesy and cliche.

If you aren't going to play an elf as a member of a tribe, you may as well special app a human with a buffed agility, because that's what you're doing.  I despise running into city elves in game because they all act like tall, skinny humans.

I guess when you've gotten that many years playing, you get to tell people how to play. Huh. I want to be like spawnloser when I grow up, he's so cool.

[musashi]

Yeah.  Look at them incredulously.  If they offer you water, you should be suspecting that water is poison.  You should be suspecting ulterior motives.  Investigate, delve into the head of whoever is being nice for no reason.  If you find out they really -are- just being nice?  Awesome.  This one will be -easy- to scam.

I think that should be more of a half-elf mentality.

[Gunnerblaster]

Yeah.  Look at them incredulously.  If they offer you water, you should be suspecting that water is poison.  You should be suspecting ulterior motives.  Investigate, delve into the head of whoever is being nice for no reason.  If you find out they really -are- just being nice?  Awesome.  This one will be -easy- to scam.

I think that should be more of a half-elf mentality.

Well, unless it's someone of the elf's immediate family or 'trusted few' - I'm pretty sure that is more elf then half-elf.

[NoteworthyFellow]

Yeah.  Look at them incredulously.  If they offer you water, you should be suspecting that water is poison.  You should be suspecting ulterior motives.  Investigate, delve into the head of whoever is being nice for no reason.  If you find out they really -are- just being nice?  Awesome.  This one will be -easy- to scam.

I think that should be more of a half-elf mentality.

I think half-elves aren't really as paranoid as that.  A half-elf would accept the water, perhaps marvel at the kindness, maybe go out of their way to earn more kindness, then as soon as they start to feel like they might be depending on the person, or even look like they're depending on the person, they recoil in disgust of their own weakness, because they don't need someone else.  They can do just fine on their own.

[Synthesis]

lol, every time someone mentions the half-elf independent streak, I think of this:

[musashi]

Yeah.  Look at them incredulously.  If they offer you water, you should be suspecting that water is poison.  You should be suspecting ulterior motives.  Investigate, delve into the head of whoever is being nice for no reason.  If you find out they really -are- just being nice?  Awesome.  This one will be -easy- to scam.

I think that should be more of a half-elf mentality.

Well, unless it's someone of the elf's immediate family or 'trusted few' - I'm pretty sure that is more elf then half-elf.

I just buy into this mentality as being more elven:

If someone were offering me free stuff as an elf, I'd take it in a heartbeat, and laugh internally. Not my fault they're too trusting. 

Most of my elves always come into a situation aiming to get something for free. They're always in a scam, no matter HOW small said scam is.

This stems from their natural pride and longing to con others. Stealing is an art.

If your elf wouldn't take charity because he's too prideful, that's awesome.

If your elf would take charity because he deems the situation an easy scam, that's awesome.

There are a multitude of avenues for you to take.

Good luck, and enjoy.

[spawnloser]

If you have a problem with the city elf tribes being closed, bitch about them being closed to the appropriate staff.

Oh, and I never said you had to have a coded clan/tribe.  I said you'd better, ffs, put some thought into your tribe and KNOW as much about your virtual tribe as you would know about your coded tribe if you were in one.  The lamer than a parapalegic with a sprained ankle "my tribe was wiped out" EXCUSE is old... and not only that, it's pathetic and cheesy and cliche.

If you aren't going to play an elf as a member of a tribe, you may as well special app a human with a buffed agility, because that's what you're doing.  I despise running into city elves in game because they all act like tall, skinny humans.

I guess when you've gotten that many years playing, you get to tell people how to play. Huh. I want to be like spawnloser when I grow up, he's so cool.

Yeah, I get that a lot... flamed/trolled, I mean.

[RogueGunslinger]

If you have a problem with the city elf tribes being closed, bitch about them being closed to the appropriate staff.

Oh, and I never said you had to have a coded clan/tribe.  I said you'd better, ffs, put some thought into your tribe and KNOW as much about your virtual tribe as you would know about your coded tribe if you were in one.  The lamer than a parapalegic with a sprained ankle "my tribe was wiped out" EXCUSE is old... and not only that, it's pathetic and cheesy and cliche.

If you aren't going to play an elf as a member of a tribe, you may as well special app a human with a buffed agility, because that's what you're doing.  I despise running into city elves in game because they all act like tall, skinny humans.

I guess when you've gotten that many years playing, you get to tell people how to play. Huh. I want to be like spawnloser when I grow up, he's so cool.

Yeah, I get that a lot... flamed/trolled, I mean.

It happens to me sometimes too, generally when I'm flaming/trolling.

[spawnloser]

It happens to me sometimes too, generally when I'm flaming/trolling.

Therein lies the difference.  I was voicing opinion on what it is to be an elf and that people that don't go the extra mile will never be seen for going the extra mile.

...and just to make sure I add something on topic...

Thinking about this, I came up with a good way to describe how an elf should see a human in as few words as possible:  a mark.

[RogueGunslinger]

It happens to me sometimes too, generally when I'm flaming/trolling.

Therein lies the difference.  I was voicing opinion on what it is to be an elf and that people that don't go the extra mile will never be seen for going the extra mile.

You're right, I was off base on that one.

[Eloran]

Thinking about this, I came up with a good way to describe how an elf should see a human in as few words as possible:  a mark.

That's probably how an elf I'd play views everyone, human or not. It's fun that way.

[a strange shadow]

Because it can't be said enough:

There is no "brotherhood of elves". If you aren't tribe, you're an outsider.