Dung.....

[YellowCactus]

Hi guys and girls and those people in between,
     I've been playing Armageddon a Long time...(Not as long as some).  I feel the need to say that because I don't use the forums much and most of my old armageddon friends don't play anymore because they work for the Government, or are in Jail.  Anyways......
     About this Dung.  When I first saw it, I grabbed up as much as possible and went to find the Dung-seller!  But that didn't pan out.  Now, I'm just finding shit everywhere, and it's a sort of annoying item.  It would be much more exciting to find my lod character's bones.  Really....
-YC
     

[Vanth]

  When I first saw it, I grabbed up as much as possible and went to find the Dung-seller!  But that didn't pan out. 

Can you be more specific?  You should be able to sell dung in both Tuluk and Allanak.

[YellowCactus]

Specifically,
    Dung selling is dumb!
-C

[a strange shadow]

While I won't shit on Olgaris's work so freely...

... please at least remove the echos or make them less IN YOUR FACE when mounts take a shit? It has moved from an "oooh, neat" or "oooh, funny" thing into the realm of severe coded annoyance, especially during tense scenes.

Which is only funny the first couple of times.

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Sparks crackling from his eyes, the ancient, evil defiler of death says, in menacing-accented sirihish:
     "Submit to me.. or die, fool."

A war-beetle squeezes out a fist-sized lump of dung.

That isn't even getting into the whole 'dung everywhere' thing, and massive piles of shit resulting from a single tregil NPC. Putting dung piles in place at stables (and other places that make sense) would allow the intent behind this change (to create a coded job) remain viable, even if (and I'll keep my fingers hoplessly crossed) the mount and NPC-crapping is removed.

[Eloran]

Dung selling is dumb!

Then don't do it. Farm cotton. Forage for salt. Mine.

While I won't shit on Olgaris's work so freely...

These puns never get old. 

I personally like the addition. It gives other characters a way to track. I think that's a big, big addition that many players fail to grasp. Then again, maybe I'm the stupid one for giving away a unique way to track someone.

I can see it now:

Riders scooping up their mount's shit as they travel through a rather nasty area. 

[Morrolan]

It used to be, when I would go to the Rennaisance Faire during graduate school, I would think, "Where are the open sewers and plague?"

This is a push in the right direction for Zalanthas.  Except that because it is only mount-poop, I don't know if the 'Rinth is getting its fair share.

[Clearsighted]

I wonder how insect excrement differs from mammalian excrement.

War beetles seem to be shitting like horses. I saw one even 'squirt' out a 'sloppy pile' of reeking diarrhea. Which was interesting. But how much research has gone into the effects of giant insect defecation?

It is a potentially fascinating field.

[Jdr]

It is a potentially fecenating field.

Couldn't help myself.

[X-D]

I still love dung.

But I do wish that when a pile gets to a certain height in the wild it would attract dung beetles and other small animals to reduce it.

[Medena]

Do birds and bats poop now?  If so, I suspect their droppings ought to decompose quickly.


Here today, guano tomorrow.

[Doppelganger]

2009.
"Shit is flawed in your opinion, and I'm sure others, however as you well know there are other games out there.  If you really hate the way this one is run, feel free to find another that'll meet your expectations."

2010.
"A solo turd is somewhat boring, and having shit to hang out with on the roads and do things with helps keep turds from getting bored and powergaming. However, this approach does not seem to have worked well, and I apologize for whatever part I've played in unleashing a horde of turds in the past."

In 2011 Concerned players will be encouraged to sacrifice ability to purchase a mount and skill to ride it. Some will follow and their folly will be praised, even though others will continue to buy mounts back to back for quite some time.

/certified prophet

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

LOL.

The turds are fine. It's good. It stays in, or you malcontents die.

[jhunter]

Doesn't bother me at all. It does add to the environment and, as someone else said it's an additional way to track mounted folks or critters.

[Gunnerblaster]

I'm all for it. Just gets -really- annoying to see HUGE MOUNDS of dung, everywhere.

I still think it adds a good feel to Zalanthas, though.

A good, squishy feel.

[SMuz]

I'm more annoyed that there's no dung in places which should be loaded in it. I hope Olgaris doesn't take that to mean that 'rinthi NPCs would suddenly get the urge to squeeze one out.

[musashi]

I think that places like the Rinth should have scripts to auto load dung into them via an ambient room emote ... sort of like the way certain places in the wastes auto load water.

[RogueGunslinger]

Feces bubbles up from the ground, filling the cesspool.

[musashi]

Feces bubbles up from the ground, filling the cesspool.

Hot.

Wait ... what?

[staggerlee]

It wouldn't make much sense to have dung in a place without animals. The whole point of the code was to provide poor, commoner pcs with a coded way to make cash without pc interaction.
And even in the rinth it's not likely that someone is going to pay money for human feces. Go play with your virtual poo, you don't need an object for human feces too.
I really don't like this trend of demanding that things like feces be coded, it encourages the "if it's not coded I can't see it" attitude that really sucks the life out of the game world.

Please restore my faith in Armageddon by learning to play with your poo virtually.

[Ourla]

Please restore my faith in Armageddon by learning to play with your poo virtually.

Dung-gone-it, I'm starting to agree with this sentiment.

[Eloran]

I really don't like this trend of demanding that things like feces be coded, it encourages the "if it's not coded I can't see it" attitude that really sucks the life out of the game world.

Wait, what? Olgaris, to my knowledge, acted on his own volition to start and complete this project. I don't remember many people demanding to see shit. If any did, it was likely a select handful of players.

I think you're reaching here.

Please restore my faith in Armageddon by learning to play with your poo virtually.

Why is everyone so bent outta shape over this? Having coded crap gives grebbers another avenue to make money. Is that really a bad thing? Many people are proponents of "playing the grebber who never does anything awesome, just works a meaningless job and shambles along through life." Well, the dung code gives said players that avenue they were looking for.

As I stated earlier, it also gives others a way to track potential quarry.

The pros definitely outweigh the cons.

[Jingo]

Make it a kindling item and I'll sure as shit be picking it up.

I also think that lone turds should disintegrate pretty quickly.

Maybe a "brief poop" command for all the whiners?

[Eloran]

Make it a kindling item and I'll sure as shit be picking it up.

I also think that lone turds should disintegrate pretty quickly.

Have you idea'd either in game yet?

[staggerlee]

I really don't like this trend of demanding that things like feces be coded, it encourages the "if it's not coded I can't see it" attitude that really sucks the life out of the game world.

Wait, what? Olgaris, to my knowledge, acted on his own volition to start and complete this project. I don't remember many people demanding to see shit. If any did, it was likely a select handful of players.

I think you're reaching here.

Please restore my faith in Armageddon by learning to play with your poo virtually.

Why is everyone so bent outta shape over this? Having coded crap gives grebbers another avenue to make money. Is that really a bad thing? Many people are proponents of "playing the grebber who never does anything awesome, just works a meaningless job and shambles along through life." Well, the dung code gives said players that avenue they were looking for.

As I stated earlier, it also gives others a way to track potential quarry.

The pros definitely outweigh the cons.

You're missing my point.
I was specifically addressing posts like this:

I think that places like the Rinth should have scripts to auto load dung into them via an ambient room emote ... sort of like the way certain places in the wastes auto load water.

Your tracking comment serves to illustrate my point nicely. I love the idea of a ranger emoting stooping and pointing to a pile of dried dung to indicate that a kank had waddled by after seeing the results of his "track" skill. It shows creativity and engagement with the virtual world rather than just typing in commands and staring at the coded strings that return.  You shouldn't need coded objects to realize that things like that are lying around. But I'm beating a very dead horse here.

Do keep in mind that my post was, as stated, specifically talking about the rinth and the kind of feces that would accumulate there.

[Xio]

I havent read everything but this is my two cents.

Its relatively easy to ignore the echo of a mount pooping. Just cause some text flashes across my screen i dont freak out cause now I know my mount pooped. I don't see how its more annoying that the random mount-motes where they stomp around or moo. I'd glad poop isnt virtual, there are a number of uses for certain people. Tracking for those pcs who dont have the ability to find mounts actual tracks. Maybe you wanna leave a smelly trail for a lost friend to find their way....and the raiders that are following along. Little creativity can make poo more than just an annoying item to spam your screen. And I haven't seen a whole mess of poo personally.