Shit Happens

[X-D]

So we can have dung decay in Tuluk, but stick around in Allanak...

This would actually be cool if there was differing rates of decay dependant on area.
Indoors would of course last until cleaned out.

I don't know about others, but seeing so much dung out in the wilderness is a little jarring. You'd think it would get covered by the brushes and the shifting sands and stuff, so that only by carefully looking for it would you find any...

I figure most of you simply are not very observant IRL when in wilderness areas. I see droppings every where, and you do to, but do not think about it. Birds for instance, leave it everywhere in noticable amounts. Raccoons leave suprisingly large piles. Same for deer, though that looks like a giant rabbit was there. rabbits seem to shit out anyplace they graze. Most reptile feces don't even look like poop so are easily missed.
And few of us live in areas where the animals get much over 200lbs. I'm betting that if you went to the plains of africa where there are herds of thousands of animals grazing about at over 500lbs each, that the piles are QUITE noticable. Just not something you will see much of in TV shows. Documentaries on animal dung probly are not great ratings grabbers.

But what you really forget is, in zalanthus, even places named forest have only about as much plant life as your average earth desert...IE 95% sand with some trees and bushes scattered about.

[Yam]

I used to do mantracking in search and rescue (don't ask - oh god) and I agree with X-D. Poop is everywhere. Even human poop.

Take a walk around a public park and look hard. You'll find tons (metric tonnes - literally) of poop.

[Bogre]

It still is jarring to see piles of poop everywhere IG. If you're seeing more poop than any other object (I.e. PLANTS) then there is a problem.

I personally dislike these changes. Keep it to the dung mounds, like the clay pits. Or make the poop decay quicker.

[Semper]

It still is jarring to see piles of poop everywhere IG. If you're seeing more poop than any other object (I.e. PLANTS) then there is a problem.

I personally dislike these changes. Keep it to the dung mounds, like the clay pits. Or make the poop decay quicker.

[Malken]

It's not because there's poop everywhere out there in the real world that I want my fantasy world to be known as that RPI with poop all over it.

Harshlands took out their poop system within a week because it was a running joke all over the mud community, I think FEM did the same..

It's sort of a good idea, but sort of not, as well.. I'm not sure yet.

Beside, knowing our playerbase, everyone always say they want to play stablelands and beggars, but in reality, that's not true at all, anyone rarely ever does.

[X-D]

Oh, and in wilderness areas, I would love...LOVE to see animals and plants that take advantage of dung, specialy mammal type dung, since mammals tend to have horribly inefficent digestive systems.

It would likely be easy to adapt the current vulture scripts to dung loving animals.

[staggerlee]

Beside, knowing our playerbase, everyone always say they want to play stablelands and beggars, but in reality, that's not true at all, anyone rarely ever does.

My largest concern about the new system is that it's going to be very hard for clans to find someone to clean the stables.
Particularly frustrating for clans with low player bases, and especially if they have to give that stablehand full access to the compound to do his job. (Due to building design)

I honestly don't think that there are that many people who want to codedly interact with poop. I can see the appeal to having something to do as a servant or recruit, but even then I think it would be a lot more fun to emote it than to go "get poop" over and over again.

Call me a skeptic, I'm just leery of adding code that clutters the game world with "poop" objects without adding much but another safe way of making coin for the lower classes of the game.

It could also be incredibly jarring to see random people  go "get poop" "put poop pack" as they stroll down the road.  But like I said earlier... it'll be a little while again before I have time to really try the code out, so take that into account when considering my critique.

[Olgaris]

Randomly getting poop and sticking it in your backpack has consequences, and it will be obvious to everyone if someone has been doing that.

There is now a capped amount that poop can accumulate in stables with a lot of mounts about. And, as always, after a certain amount of singular poops appear in a room they'll get put into the mound.

Xygax will be working his magick to fix how often mounts are pooping, even before a reboot, and without having to stable/unstable them.

Yes, poop was originally implemented to happen too frequently. Give it a week.

[deviant storm]

Beside, knowing our playerbase, everyone always say they want to play stablelands and beggars, but in reality, that's not true at all, anyone rarely ever does.

My largest concern about the new system is that it's going to be very hard for clans to find someone to clean the stables.
Particularly frustrating for clans with low player bases, and especially if they have to give that stablehand full access to the compound to do his job. (Due to building design)

I honestly don't think that there are that many people who want to codedly interact with poop. I can see the appeal to having something to do as a servant or recruit, but even then I think it would be a lot more fun to emote it than to go "get poop" over and over again.

Call me a skeptic, I'm just leery of adding code that clutters the game world with "poop" objects without adding much but another safe way of making coin for the lower classes of the game.

It could also be incredibly jarring to see random people  go "get poop" "put poop pack" as they stroll down the road.  But like I said earlier... it'll be a little while again before I have time to really try the code out, so take that into account when considering my critique.

This is where contractors come into play. Player stablehand contacts the various GMHs and so on and makes arrangements to clean their stables. He hits them up a couple times an RL week, and the bag(s) of poop are sold and he makes some money. He has a regular 'run', like a garbageman rl.

[Winterless]

Yes, poop was originally implemented to happen too frequently. Give it a week.

Zalanthan Immodium AD.

[Yokunama]

Yes, poop was originally implemented to happen too frequently. Give it a week.

Zalanthan Immodium AD.

I'm sick'o this shit!

[brytta.leofa]

Beside, knowing our playerbase, everyone always say they want to play stablelands and beggars, but in reality, that's not true at all, anyone rarely ever does.

Big difference between a stablehand, who can have a reliable way of making 'sid, and, now, some actual coded duties, and a beggar, whose livelihood is entirely dependent on a variable and fickle PC population.

We've certainly got plenty of 'sid miners.

[Malken]

Beside, knowing our playerbase, everyone always say they want to play stablelands and beggars, but in reality, that's not true at all, anyone rarely ever does.

Big difference between a stablehand, who can have a reliable way of making 'sid, and, now, some actual coded duties, and a beggar, whose livelihood is entirely dependent on a variable and fickle PC population.

We've certainly got plenty of 'sid miners.

The difference is that I can make 500 'sids easily in half an hour mining obsidian, but it takes a whole shitload of shit (teehee) to even make 20 'sids.

This will NEVER replace all the obsidian miners, for sure.

[deviant storm]

Beside, knowing our playerbase, everyone always say they want to play stablelands and beggars, but in reality, that's not true at all, anyone rarely ever does.

Big difference between a stablehand, who can have a reliable way of making 'sid, and, now, some actual coded duties, and a beggar, whose livelihood is entirely dependent on a variable and fickle PC population.

We've certainly got plenty of 'sid miners.

The difference is that I can make 500 'sids easily in half an hour mining obsidian, but it takes a whole shitload of shit (teehee) to even make 20 'sids.

This will NEVER replace all the obsidian miners, for sure.

No, it won't. I mean, sid has a lot of uses and is valuable. Dung is just...shit. It's not going to pay as well. But then you aren't risking anything much to do the job so it's perfect for newbies.

You can't count on making 500 per outing for sid. I've had days in the past where I made maybe 20 or none at all when storms kick up, or a spider jumps me while mining, or whatever. There's risks for the higher pay. The thing is no one is expecting one job to take the place of the other. There's just more choices in Allanak now, that's all.

[Olgaris]

Actually we were planning on taking away 'sid mining as an option, and replacing it with this shit.


DO NOT BELIEVE ME.

[Lizzie]

Clearly, Olgaris is full of shit.

[Pale Horse]

Actually we were planning on taking away 'sid mining as an option, and replacing it with this shit.


DO NOT BELIEVE ME.

Oh, man, the shit's gonna hit the fan over this one.

[DustMight]

I don't know about others, but seeing so much dung out in the wilderness is a little jarring. You'd think it would get covered by the brushes and the shifting sands and stuff, so that only by carefully looking for it would you find any...

Like playing pickup football in the field. It's not until you actually almost step in shit (or roll in it) that you notice it.

So, crap should be <hidden> until stepped upon?

new trap for assassin....

[My 2 sids]

This is where contractors come into play. Player stablehand contacts the various GMHs and so on and makes arrangements to clean their stables. He hits them up a couple times an RL week, and the bag(s) of poop are sold and he makes some money. He has a regular 'run', like a garbageman rl.

I just... wouldn't this be a slave's job? 

[DustMight]

Big difference between a stablehand, who can have a reliable way of making 'sid, and, now, some actual coded duties, and a beggar, whose livelihood is entirely dependent on a variable and fickle PC population.

We've certainly got plenty of 'sid miners.

Btw - does anyone think it is odd that someone is quoted on the GDB as making 200+ sid a day salt grebbing, another 500 sid a day obsidian mining (and god knows how much lumber mining) while noble soldiers and high ranking GHM folk are getting 500 sid a month?

Any wonder clans are failing and everyone is indy?

If we cut the profits from mining/salt/trees and such to say I don't know, a tenth of their value, I bet we would see a lot more clannies.

Especially if GHM NPCs stopped buying from PCs, referring them to their agents for unregulated sales.

It would be good for the game - suddenly clans would be full, indies would look like the rough and tumble indies that SHOULD look like and making it big would be, in a word, difficult.

[Olgaris]

Any wonder clans are failing and everyone is indy?

This is far from what I have observed, with my uber awesome 'who' command of immortal powerz. If you'd like to continue that line of discussion, another thread will be in order.

[PerpetualPatriot]

Big difference between a stablehand, who can have a reliable way of making 'sid, and, now, some actual coded duties, and a beggar, whose livelihood is entirely dependent on a variable and fickle PC population.

We've certainly got plenty of 'sid miners.

Btw - does anyone think it is odd that someone is quoted on the GDB as making 200+ sid a day salt grebbing, another 500 sid a day obsidian mining (and god knows how much lumber mining) while noble soldiers and high ranking GHM folk are getting 500 sid a month?

Any wonder clans are failing and everyone is indy?

If we cut the profits from mining/salt/trees and such to say I don't know, a tenth of their value, I bet we would see a lot more clannies.

Especially if GHM NPCs stopped buying from PCs, referring them to their agents for unregulated sales.

It would be good for the game - suddenly clans would be full, indies would look like the rough and tumble indies that SHOULD look like and making it big would be, in a word, difficult.

Amen.

[jcljules]

I'd have to agree with Olgaris. I'm seeing fewer and fewer indies and more and more clannies.

[Moofassa]

Big difference between a stablehand, who can have a reliable way of making 'sid, and, now, some actual coded duties, and a beggar, whose livelihood is entirely dependent on a variable and fickle PC population.

We've certainly got plenty of 'sid miners.

Btw - does anyone think it is odd that someone is quoted on the GDB as making 200+ sid a day salt grebbing, another 500 sid a day obsidian mining (and god knows how much lumber mining) while noble soldiers and high ranking GHM folk are getting 500 sid a month?

Any wonder clans are failing and everyone is indy?

If we cut the profits from mining/salt/trees and such to say I don't know, a tenth of their value, I bet we would see a lot more clannies.

Especially if GHM NPCs stopped buying from PCs, referring them to their agents for unregulated sales.

It would be good for the game - suddenly clans would be full, indies would look like the rough and tumble indies that SHOULD look like and making it big would be, in a word, difficult.

Amen.

Amen.
Amen.

[Malken]

I'm pretty sure this will be cut and made into another thread because it's going on a derail, but I know plenty of clans
that allow you to greb for salt AND mine obsidian to your heart's content while you're in the clan.

The fact that you may see more people in clans these days is because leaders have become smarter and they know
they can't compete with the small fortune you can make on your own, so many of them now offers you both the clan
pay AND for you to go out and do what you must (sometimes in disguised ways, as in, well, you can go and mine obsidian,
but make sure that a big part of what you mine goes to the clan, as well).

I'm just not convinced that many, if any, in a month, will be playing poop scoopers, and then, I just don't know what type
of first impression that gives to new and serious roleplayers when they'll log into the game and the streets of Tuluk will
be filled with pickable and tossable poop objects.

I hope the Staff who worked on this won't think I don't appreciate his or her work, but to me, there are just a few things
that should never be hard coded in a game, poop being the #1 on my list. I don't want to see the word 'turd' every few
rooms I travel to, that's all, and that's coming from one of the most immature poster on the GDB, I think.