Link Loss and going IDLE

[mansa]

Hi,

I think that the game should automatically log out characters if they go idle for 15 minutes.

Every other game does that. 


I think it will prevent people from dying due to starvation when their player falls asleep / forgets to shut down / problems with link.

Every other game does that.

[Tisiphone]

This is already in the works for 2.arm, but for what 'tis worth, I agree.

[FuSoYa]

I agree as well... also for the reason I hate seeing certain PCs in rather popular spots for RL days on end just LDing it up.  Kills me a little inside each time.

Brandon

[Malifaxis]

I agree as well... also for the reason I hate seeing certain PCs in rather popular spots for RL days on end just LDing it up.  Kills me a little inside each time.

Brandon

I find that if you kill them on the outside, it helps.

[LittleLostThief]

In a game where time is your most important statistic, and it continues to accrue when you have a loss of link, I think this would be brilliant.

I get very suspicious when I see "long lived" characters regularly spending "time" in the game at 4am without a person at the helm.

Even more suspicious when they go LD a room away from gortok spawns with their sparring weapons out all night long.

[Clearsighted]

In a game where time is your most important statistic, and it continues to accrue when you have a loss of link, I think this would be brilliant.

I get very suspicious when I see "long lived" characters regularly spending "time" in the game at 4am without a person at the helm.

Even more suspicious when they go LD a room away from gortok spawns with their sparring weapons out all night long.

Has that seriously happend before?

Lol. I'm surprised staff wouldn't notice.

[staggerlee]

In a game where time is your most important statistic, and it continues to accrue when you have a loss of link, I think this would be brilliant.

I get very suspicious when I see "long lived" characters regularly spending "time" in the game at 4am without a person at the helm.

Even more suspicious when they go LD a room away from gortok spawns with their sparring weapons out all night long.

Are you suggesting that they're sparring with gortoks while LD?  That doesn't seem like a very good way to ensure longevity. 

[mansa]

I also think that you should be able to quit _anywhere_, with a 20 second timer that count downs for you.

And if you quit out in a quit area, you don't have the 20 second timer.

[AmandaGreathouse]

I also think that you should be able to quit _anywhere_, with a 20 second timer that count downs for you.

And if you quit out in a quit area, you don't have the 20 second timer.

This thing exactly. Not in combat of course, but seriously, having to go LD because you took your nonranger outside the gates and got stuck in a sandstorm sucks. Sometimes you need to go, for work, for thunderstorms, for all kinds of reasons. It's a horribly inconvenient thing. I am all for having all rooms as quit rooms.

[The Spoony Bard]

I love it when people go linkdead for so long they practically become furniture in the room. I use those people as coatracks.

[brytta.leofa]

I also think that you should be able to quit _anywhere_, with a 20 second timer that count downs for you.

I would have said 5-10 minutes, but I do like the idea.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I also think that you should be able to quit _anywhere_, with a 20 second timer that count downs for you.

I would have said 5-10 minutes, but I do like the idea.

I agree with mansa, but require Brytta's timer, or more. I love the way you have to go to a tavern or a quit-safe room right now. I absolutely do. I'm a masochistic SOB , though, and I know it.

[staggerlee]

I'd like to see more quit rooms. 

However.  I'm absolutely against having people pop in and out of the world willy nilly.  That would be jarring, confusing and have enormous potential for abuse.    I like that you have to find somewhere safe and quiet to log out, rather than having people log out in vaults, on rooftops, on a salt flat, in the middle of the street or half way down a cliff.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

I don't mind people needing to have quit rooms in the city, as opposed to popping in and out wily nily, but I agree that the desert situation can really suck.   Particularly on people with spotty connections, or RL things beyond their control.  I once had to run and do something for my job while my character was in the desert (at this point I had been lost for something like two hours, much longer than I'd planned to spend on playing) and he ended up rather dead.  I'd seen it coming though, but still, it was disappointing not to get to gasp out his final words.

[staggerlee]

I don't mind people needing to have quit rooms in the city, as opposed to popping in and out wily nily, but I agree that the desert situation can really suck.   Particularly on people with spotty connections, or RL things beyond their control.  I once had to run and do something for my job while my character was in the desert (at this point I had been lost for something like two hours, much longer than I'd planned to spend on playing) and he ended up rather dead.  I'd seen it coming though, but still, it was disappointing not to get to gasp out his final words.

My solution to this would be two fold:

1)  More quit spots.  Holes in the ground, lone trees that provide shade, big rocks to hide behind... things that can be crudely called shelter or land marks and provide some comfort.

2)  Make tents quit spots.

[mansa]

I also think that you should be able to quit _anywhere_, with a 20 second timer that count downs for you.

I would have said 5-10 minutes, but I do like the idea.

I agree with mansa, but require Brytta's timer, or more. I love the way you have to go to a tavern or a quit-safe room right now. I absolutely do. I'm a masochistic SOB , though, and I know it.

With that timer, you can probably walk back to a city and quit out normally.

And who is going to type quit, and then wait 5 minutes to log out.  5 minutes will seem like 5 hours.  Even 1 minute will seem long.   5 seconds of nothing on the radio is DEATH to the station.  A good timer is 20 seconds.  You could do it like WoW and have the user cancel the quit if they type -anything-.

The whole point is to allow any user to stop playing when they want, and allow their character to be "safe" without being killed when they must get off the computer.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I also think that you should be able to quit _anywhere_, with a 20 second timer that count downs for you.

I would have said 5-10 minutes, but I do like the idea.

I agree with mansa, but require Brytta's timer, or more. I love the way you have to go to a tavern or a quit-safe room right now. I absolutely do. I'm a masochistic SOB , though, and I know it.

With that timer, you can probably walk back to a city and quit out normally.

And who is going to type quit, and then wait 5 minutes to log out.  5 minutes will seem like 5 hours.  Even 1 minute will seem long.   5 seconds of nothing on the radio is DEATH to the station.  A good timer is 20 seconds.  You could do it like WoW and have the user cancel the quit if they type -anything-.

The whole point is to allow any user to stop playing when they want, and allow their character to be "safe" without being killed when they must get off the computer.

Bah.

[Riev]

I hate to sound callous, but if something comes up in real life that forces you to be unable to take 10 minutes to find a nearby quit-safe room, then perhaps worrying about your character should be last on your mind.

I'm of the opinion that if you -do- need to do something, send a wish up and tell the staff that you need to go immediately, some sort of emergency, and see if they can purge you from the world. Would that be easier than imposing some new code for quitting out anywhere for those not as Rangers?

[Bogre]

I would have loved this feature two years ago.

Yes please.

[LittleLostThief]

How about a "camp" command with a 15 minute timer that allows non-rangers to quit in the wild?

For those times when you just HAVE to go... you can start camping and drop link and hope for the best.

With a long wait time it would be hard to abuse it if you're being hunted.  Any kind of action should break your timer.

[Cerelum]

Littlelostthief totally hit it on the head, have some type of timer for quitting and finding a good spot to hunker down when you're not a ranger.  This way if you're trapped by a sandstorm or something else, you can type quit, go do whatever you gotta do and provided you're not attacked or otherwise molested in the timer, you quit out.

Jarod

[Shiroi Tsuki]

I hate to sound callous, but if something comes up in real life that forces you to be unable to take 10 minutes to find a nearby quit-safe room, then perhaps worrying about your character should be last on your mind.

Sometimes, it takes a lot longer than ten minutes to find a quit safe room.  I re-emphasize that once I got lost in the desert for two+ hours.  I honestly thought I had plenty of time on the character, since I like to plan on quitting out about half an hour before I actually have to go do something, but with move drain and having to rest/rest mounts.. getting lost in the desert can be severely time consuming.  Much more time consuming than ten minutes, even.

I know there are ways to avoid it, but I wouldn't even mind having to wait fifteen minutes for my character to set up a camp so that I know he at least has a slim chance of survival if I absolutely MUST vacate the premises RIGHT NOW because my house is burning down.  A lot of 'must quit now' situations suck enough without having your character die on top of them.

There aren't always staffers to be able to respond to a wish, particularly if you play heavily offpeak.

In short, I like the idea, with limitations.  I think twenty seconds is way too short.

[brytta.leofa]

... with move drain and having to rest/rest mounts.. getting lost in the desert can be severely time consuming.  Much more time consuming than ten minutes, even.

And if there's a sandstorm, you're just hosed.

My reason for the relatively longish timer, btw, is so that it's difficult to desert-quit fast enough to avoid someone stalking you.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

Someone stalking you, or trying to quit in a room next to an Evilly Bad Creature spawn, or any number of reasons.  The twenty seconds suggested by someone else is just too short a period for a character to set up a camp or anything of that nature.

Furthermore, I'd like it if your ldesc was changed to something like :

The tall, muscular man is setting up camp here.

So that folks know that you are probably not even there, should they happen to come across you in the desert while the lag on that command is going down.  Or, maybe not, since folks might try to take advantage of that to kill your AFK ass.  Hmmmm.

[mansa]

For those who think 20 is too short...

Go to a tavern, and sit down, and time 20 seconds.

Is it too short?  Perhaps.  But I would never want to wait longer than 1 minute.