Catching arrows?

[Rindan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLj8eK814o0

I think that one would also solve the problem of "Too Powerful"...or..."Too Fast" arrows...The shooter is using a major compound bow.

He wasn't pulling the full draw on that bow.  It was "only" going about 100 mph, which I am pretty sure the max for a compound bow.  That said, I imagine 100 probably is not too far off for non-compound crude Zalanthian bow.  It should also be pointed out that he wasn't being shot at and wasn't using it as a defensive maneuver.  I am pretty sure he would have been dead if the archer had been aiming at him.  Of course, like I said, it is all a moot point.  Arrow catching might be a little silly, but I don't mind bending reality a little to allow powerful warriors, master thieves, and artful bowmen.

On a slight derail, that girl is so god damn annoying with her brain dead air head act that I was wishing for an arrow to catch her between the eyes... or at least in the leg or something.

[X-D]

I said it before, I will say it again, The bow  in question is not a hunting bow. If it has more then 35lbs pull I'd be very suprised.

Compound does not mean its powerful, Actually, You can take one bow, with a draw of say 60lbs, change the pulleys, put on a 2 inch longer string and poof, its a 20lbs bow.

As to the max speed of an arrow fired from a compound bow Rindan, You can EASILY break 200mph...Though most people hunt with ones shooting around 160-180mph.

Again. Catching arrows that are meant to kill you is simply silly, with the possibility being  so low that you have a better chance of winning the lotto three weeks straight.`

These guys  practice for a very long time with the archer NOT aiming for them.

I tell you right now, you take ANY, ALL of the people who catch arrows, stand them 50 feet away from somebody who hunts deer with a bow, have him try to hit them, and they try and catch, And I bet you that every single one of them will fail every single time...or for as long as they live.

[Desertman]

Again. Catching arrows that are meant to kill you is simply silly, with the possibility being  so low that you have a better chance of winning the lotto three weeks straight.`

To make this a valid point, you would need to prove that catching arrows that are meant to kill you is simply silly for a uber godly fantasy warrior of doom on a fantasy desert planet...Which might be slightly hard to get actual proof on, unless you have a control and variable subject on both standing by ready to complete multiple trials.

I will agree with you that if that guy stood infront of those shots, the bitch would be dead...Sadly, he is a fat cracker, and as such really only serves as the closest thing I can find to a RL comparison...So, take his fat cracker skills...multiply that by...10 maybe?...Take the power of that bow being shot...multiple that by 10...That would be a more accurate comparison for a Zalanthan uber fantasy warrior trying to catch an arrow shot from a Zalanthan fantasy bow in an environment being affected by Zalanthan planet physics.

But neither one of us can prove either one of our points...Because neither one of us have any hard proof on the physics of Zalanthas.

We are basically argueing over what my imagination thinks is possible and what your imagination thinks is possible...Can you imagine that? Now that is silly...luckily, we are nerds and as such we are allowed to argue over something neither one of us has any proof on.

The best way to do this would be say....

I personally imagine that in Zalanthas a Zalanthan fantasy warrior would have the degree of skill needed to catch a Zalanthan arrow being aimed at him in a world affected by make-believe Zalanthan physics.

And you would say....

I personally imagine that in Zalanthas a Zalanthan fantasy warrior would not have the degree of skill needed to catch a Zalanthan arrow being aimed at him in a world affected by make-believe Zalanthan physics.

Then what would we have to say then?

Would one of us then say..."No, you arent allowed to have that in your imagination?"

Of course not....

The only conclusion either of us could reach which would keep us from going in circles is....

"Lets let the IMM's decide based on what thier imaginations can imagine"

And since one other poster by the name of Forest Junkie has already claimed that catching arrows is already possible in 1.Arm, having witnessed this first hand, it would appear that atleast for 1.Arm the IMM's imagined exactly what I imagine.

The question is...Will they continue to imagine this for 2.Arm?

[Malken]

Nowhere in my 235 Savage Sword of Conan comics, my Coming of Conan the Cimmerian book, my Conquering Sword of Conan book, my Bloody Crown of Conan book, and my 48 Conan Dark Horse comic books do I ever see Conan attempt to catch an arrow that is fired at him, he always uses his shield or rolls out of harm's way then charges at the archer.

There, I just proved to you that catching arrows is simply silly even for a uber godly fantasy warrior of doom 

[Desertman]

Nowhere in my 235 Savage Sword of Conan comics, my Coming of Conan the Cimmerian book, my Conquering Sword of Conan book, my Bloody Crown of Conan book, and my 48 Conan Dark Horse comic books do I ever see Conan attempt to catch an arrow that is fired at him, he always uses his shield or rolls out of harm's way then charges at the archer.

There, I just proved to you that catching arrows is simply silly even for a uber godly fantasy warrior of doom 

Xena Warrior Princess does it, and I would argue that her skill exceeds that of Conan, she has obviously branched higher than he has, so you have only proved that Conan would get his ass handed to him by Xena.

Which dissapoints me, because I like Conan more.

I would also note that Hercules did this a few times as well...But he was a half-god...So that would only justify Immortal Avatars having the arrow catching ability.

[Malken]

Xena Warrior Princess does it, and I would argue that her skill exceeds that of Conan, she has obviously branched higher than he has, so you have only proved that Conan would get his ass handed to him by Xena.
Which dissapoints me, because I like Conan more.

That's only true if you find me one PC who has taken on Tektolnes or Muk Utep by themselves and killed them. That would be Xena. Xena killed gods, can you find me the equivalent of a Xena PC?

All the strong, legendary PCs we've had are more like Conan. A Conan-like warrior is the top you should hope for, skill wise.

[Maybe42or54]

Bela the Butcher. Game. Set. Match.

[Qzzrbl]

o-O;;

This thread is still alive?

Sweet....

Here's my thoughts on the matter.... Zalanthas is a completely different world from ours. Different planet, different suns, different solar system, galaxy, universe, whatever. Physics on Zalanthas isn't exactly on par with here on Earth.... As Desertman has pointed out, there are uber-warriors soloing monsters the size of a local convenience store, and people who can hurl lightningbolts out of their hands, and surviving falls from the edge of massive cliffs.... I don't think a well-trained warrior managing to swat an arrow out of the air, or catching a thrown knife (by the blade if need be. Better a cut on the hand than having a knife in the eye) is too far fetched to fit in.

[Desertman]

Xena Warrior Princess does it, and I would argue that her skill exceeds that of Conan, she has obviously branched higher than he has, so you have only proved that Conan would get his ass handed to him by Xena.
Which dissapoints me, because I like Conan more.

That's only true if you find me one PC who has taken on Tektolnes or Muk Utep by themselves and killed them. That would be Xena. Xena killed gods, can you find me the equivalent of a Xena PC?

All the strong, legendary PCs we've had are more like Conan. A Conan-like warrior is the top you should hope for, skill wise.

Xena was only able to kill Gods after she was granted the power to kill them by The One God (The Christian God, for all purposes, though they never named him in the series, they hinted at who The One God was)....So the equivelant would be a regular PC noble (princess) who trained to be a badass warrior, left her House to raid and pillage, became an uber badass warrior who could catch arrows (She was catching them within the first two shows of the series) and then MUCH later on gained the ability to kill Gods.

Muk and Tek arent gods though, they are extremely powerful sorcerers....perhaps no more powerful than the sorcerers that Conan killed on a regular basis.

[Troicha]

Muk and Tek arent gods though, they are extremely powerful sorcerers....perhaps no more powerful than the sorcerers that Conan killed on a regular basis.

Blasphemy!

Seriously though, Tek or Muk would kick Conan's ass in their sleep. Though perhaps that's not precisely a fair handicap, considering Muk's had a lot of practice in that state.

[Bebop]

This thread has progressed beyond the realms of nerdiness.

[Malken]

Muk and Tek arent gods though, they are extremely powerful sorcerers....perhaps no more powerful than the sorcerers that Conan killed on a regular basis.

Blasphemy!

Seriously though, Tek or Muk would kick Conan's ass in their sleep. Though perhaps that's not precisely a fair handicap, considering Muk's had a lot of practice in that state.

How can you say that? It's so obvious that they made Muk Utep to be Conan!

Tektolnes is to Muk Utep what Thoth-Amon is to Conan.

[RogueGunslinger]

Every day I see this topic has more posts, I'm always like; "What? This topic has more posts?"

[X-D]

On my last Post Dman, I was not arguing that it is silly in a fantasy environment.

I stated that Its just silly, and said line up everybody that thinks they can do it:)

Myself, I really would not want to see it in game, Its pretty cheesy.

But, I'd not scream and holler either, Because its not something you would ever see happen.

Hey Amos...Why do you only have your sword out?

Just in case somebody shoots at me, I might be able to catch it!

Couple days later.

Hey, where is Amos?

Oh, he is dead,  Did not have his shield ready and a tembo ate him.

[Qzzrbl]

Every day I see this topic has more posts, I'm always like; "What? This topic has more posts?"

xD

Same here.... o-O;;

[Desertman]

I stated that Its just silly, and said line up everybody that thinks they can do it:)

Thrain Ironsword
Shatuka
Sujaal
Bella
Amurak (Zak)
Zak
Taluvino


The list goes on and on, these are just the uber badasses who would have this ability that I have encountered.

[Troicha]

So if this is already IG, why continue to talk about wanting it IG? LET THIS TOPIC DIE, PLEASE.

[X-D]

Because DM is either dense or likes to bait me first of  all, and second, Its not (rolls eyes)

Real people DM.

And even out of the ones that you mentioned...Only Sujaal was really that good.

[Desertman]

On my last Post Dman, I was not arguing that it is silly in a fantasy environment.

I agree, it is silly for a RL environment, but I dont know why that would matter. On that same note, I would like point out that I think George Bush being a sorcerer king would be silly...that statement serves just about as much relevence to the topic.

I stated that Its just silly, and said line up everybody that thinks they can do it:)

Now that I see you were referring to RL people, I dont know any. But still, serves no relevence.

Myself, I really would not want to see it in game, Its pretty cheesy.

Granted.

But, I'd not scream and holler either, Because its not something you would ever see happen.

I have been shot without a weapon out by more desert elves than you can possibly imagine. Just recently, twice in the same RL week as a matter of fact.

Hey Amos...Why do you only have your sword out?

Because I am sitting in a cave crafting with my hammer and chisel out.

or...

I am sitting in a grove carving wood with my woodworking knife out.

or...

Because I just got disarmed, had to flee, and now they are popping arrows into me.

or...

Because my obsidian sword just shattered against that giant's shield, and now I am running from those fucking human archer friends of his.



Just in case somebody shoots at me, I might be able to catch it!

No, the above scenarios, all of which have happened to me personally, some more than a few times, fit the reasoning much better.

Couple days later.

Hey, where is Amos?

Oh, he is dead,  Did not have his shield ready and a tembo ate him.

This has happened to me too. Except it was a pair of halflings, I had one sword out, and was like WTF? Why am I getting pwned so bad, then I realized I had never equipped my shield and was still wearing it on my back.

So if this is already IG, why continue to talk about wanting it IG? LET THIS TOPIC DIE, PLEASE.

I have never witnessed this first hand...and even so...I am argueing to get this into 2.Arm, if that means creating it, or simply making sure it is carried over (if it already exists), that is what I am an advocate for.

Because DM is either dense or likes to bait me first of  all, and second, Its not (rolls eyes)

Both, and unless you are an IMM, you dont know anything in reference to that last statement except you havent personally witnessed it. You are making claims you cant back up. (offers two winks, a half a whistle, and a quarter of an eye roll)

Real people DM.

I still cant figure out why Real People would serve any sort of importance to this topic, we arent talking about real people, we are talking about fantasy warriors.

And even out of the ones that you mentioned...Only Sujaal was really that good.

Again, something that is simply an opinion. It might be my opinion that Thrain and Bella were both at adequate skill levels to catch arrows, and that Sujaal far exceeded the skill level needed.

At any length, atleast you admit Sujaal was good enough to catch arrows, and by doing so admit catching arrows would be possible, because you admitted someone had the skill level in your opinion to do so.

I would also like to note that I like this new DM trend I am seeing for my name.

Makes me feel like a 24/7 Dungeon Master.


And for all of you wondering...YES, I can do this all day for weeks on end, I have a boring job where I can just sit and refresh this screen and pick apart posts...Its childish, silly, (mostly because we are both argueing over something neither of us can prove, and so neither one of us will ever win) and just stupid. But you know what? Its more entertaining than my job, so you guys have me for 8 wonderful hours a day....

[X-D]

Same here, Cept I'm simply too lazy to pick apart posts, But I can reply a bunch...WOOT.

As to knowing its not in game currently...Well, I suppose that you are correct, I can't know for 100% sure. But with playing  100% PCs that fight (not always with weapons) and in the last 15 years, Never seeing it happen even once out of Many Thousands  of  shots that I've witnessed...You know what, Its not In game.

[flurry]

There's a fine line between unrealistic badass and unrealistic silly, and I think this steps well over it.

Perhaps only make it possible for characters with absolutely incredible agility and very poor wisdom? 

[Desertman]

Same here, Cept I'm simply too lazy to pick apart posts, But I can reply a bunch...WOOT.

As to knowing its not in game currently...Well, I suppose that you are correct, I can't know for 100% sure. But with playing  100% PCs that fight (not always with weapons) and in the last 15 years, Never seeing it happen even once out of Many Thousands  of  shots that I've witnessed...You know what, Its not In game.

No, the correct answer would be, "I'm not sure if its in game, and if it is, the probability is very low"....not.."Its not in game".

I do agree that it PROBABLY is not in game, and I am ASSUMING it is not, so for all apparent purposes, you and I agree on this issue...The probability that this feature is in game is definantly on the far side of the NO scale. But, you dont know, and neither do I, so taking the stand point that "Its not in game" is just disrespectful to those people who believe it might be, and a slap in the face to FJ, who says he has witnessed it first hand. Did you ever consider that maybe the IMM's agree with you? Maybe you are 100% correct that this is SUPER CHEESY and stupid, but the IMM's threw in a .00000000000001% that it will occur, just for giggles, and FJ happened to be there for it despite all odds? I am giving FJ the benefit of the doubt, because I am not 100% certain, and am trying to show a slight amount of common courtesy towards him.

I know him IRL, taught him how to play the game when we were in school, and the little ass fuck is probably lieing just to piss people off...But still, he hasnt admitted this to me yet. 

And FJ (Derek), incase you were wondering...Yes, I made my avatar Jesus just to irk you. BWAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA....I am an alcoholic dinosaur rapist, and I have your GOD as my avatar! Take it in the butt!

[Desertman]

There's a fine line between unrealistic badass and unrealistic silly, and I think this steps well over it.

Perhaps only make it possible for characters with absolutely incredible agility and very poor wisdom? 

I personally believe that letting at 160lb warrior with a crude bone sword single handedly beat the shit out of a armored creature the size of a food chain store is "unrealistic silly", but that does not prevent the IMM's from putting it in, so I am just being hopeful.

[Dusky]

I have seen someone knock an arrow out of the way IG before.  I forget who it was.
It was cool and unexpected.

[Desertman]

I have seen someone knock an arrow out of the way IG before.  I forget who it was.
It was cool and unexpected.

Yeah, it is possible to knock them out of the way, I have personally done this a few times myself.