Catching arrows?

[Malken]

Maybe he meant that you could finally team up with your buddy against the magicker, he'd shoot an arrow at you and you'd deflect it toward the magicker for added power. 

[Delstro]

Exactly. If the magicker disarms me, I can have a team of archers keeping me supplied.

[Mood]

Monk class ftw.

I demand a Monk class for Arm2. Flurry of Blows and Ki Strike plz.

[Ghost]

Should be able to jump through robots like a bullet

The guy in Casshern could do it!

[RogueGunslinger]

Should be able to jump through robots like a bullet

The guy in Casshern could do it!

I so expected it to be like "A Hideo Kojima movie."

[Fathi]

Should be able to jump through robots like a bullet

The guy in Casshern could do it!

I so expected it to be like "A Hideo Kojima movie."

I dunno, I didn't see anybody getting possessed by their dead brother's amputated arm.

[Desertman]

sorry, Mythbusters busted that one, cant be done

They would very likely be able to bust many myths in relation to Armageddon based on real world physics ect.....Can people on Myth busters launch fireballs from thier hands? Can people on Myth Busters fall from the Shield Wall and survive? Can people on Myth Busters disprove the existence of completely hairless dwarves or super skinny elves with a penchant for stealing?

While this may unrealstic for Earth...I would love to see it in Zalanthas. We push the envelope anyways, I dont base anything off of real world limitations, because this isnt the real world.

(Not an attack on the origional poster, I think they were joking actually).

I just hate to see people use the excuse..."This is impossible"...Well, so is about %80 of everything already in game, "Impossible" isnt a good excuse for anything in relation to Zalanthas.

Given all of this...Yes, it would rock to be able to have a chance to catch throwing knives, spears, arrows, ect...And I would like to see highly skilled fantasy PC's (Hey! WE ARE THOSE!) have this ability.

[Desertman]

Why don't we all just cut the bullshit out and say that, yes, godly warriors can parry/snatch arrows out of the air?

And by godly, I mean you need to be in the 30+ day range. I have had 10 day warriors who could parry arrows, and I've caught an arrow once.

I've actually seen ultra powerful warriors back in the day snatch more than one arrow out of the air.

It takes an amazing amount of skill, however.

This is a fantasy game, not the real world. Heightened physical attributes and dexterity dictate/infer that yes, at higher levels of training, one could very well likely catch/parry an arrow in flight.

I didnt want to be the guy to say the above, but since FJ already put it in the open....Fucking right! And I would like to see this carried over into 2.Arm.

[staggerlee]

Internal consistency.  Zalanthas still needs laws of physics and what not. You can stretch them to accommodate certain mythic constructs, but at the end of the day you still need that hard base to work on.

If you start randomly repealing laws of physics, it'll becoming extremely hard to rp or exist in the world.  Currently, if I see someone leap fifty feet from one building to the next I'd say "Oh look, that person is a magicker, because magick lets you cheat."  But when you start randomly undermining that base, suddenly you see someone doing that and you don't know how to react anymore.  You don't know what to expect, or what is and isn't reasonable in Zalanthas.  It blurs the line between magick and reality. 

On an interesting tangent from that, If you want to see magickers stigmatized, allowing any warrior to do magickal acts is certainly not going to help.

Also I like having a hard base of gritty realism because it makes the fantastic more exceptional.  It just feels cheesy and silly when some guy that's three hundred pounds of battle scarred bynner starts doing cart wheels and catching arrows in his teeth while throwing daggers with his other hand.  But if everyone knows it's impossible to catch arrows, then when that elf magicker stops one with his mind you KNOW you'll be scared.

I hope that's semi-coherent, I'm on my way out the door so I have a limited amount of time to explain it.

[Desertman]

Internal consistency.  Zalanthas still needs laws of physics and what not. You can stretch them to accommodate certain mythic constructs, but at the end of the day you still need that hard base to work on.

If you start randomly repealing laws of physics, it'll becoming extremely hard to rp or exist in the world.  Currently, if I see someone leap fifty feet from one building to the next I'd say "Oh look, that person is a magicker, because magick lets you cheat."  But when you start randomly undermining that base, suddenly you see someone doing that and you don't know how to react anymore.  You don't know what to expect, or what is and isn't reasonable in Zalanthas.  It blurs the line between magick and reality. 

On an interesting tangent from that, If you want to see magickers stigmatized, allowing any warrior to do magickal acts is certainly not going to help.

Also I like having a hard base of gritty realism because it makes the fantastic more exceptional.  It just feels cheesy and silly when some guy that's three hundred pounds of battle scarred bynner starts doing cart wheels and catching arrows in his teeth while throwing daggers with his other hand.  But if everyone knows it's impossible to catch arrows, then when that elf magicker stops one with his mind you KNOW you'll be scared.

I hope that's semi-coherent, I'm on my way out the door so I have a limited amount of time to explain it.

I wouldnt want to see a 300 pound Bynner catch an arrow in his teeth, do a cart wheel, and throw a dagger back all at the same time...I agree.

Would I consider seeing a 300 pound Bynner catch an arrow in his hand if he knew it was coming? The same Bynner who can solo fight a creature the size of most small convenience stores and win? Yes, I could handle that.

[Seeker]

There are more important things than RL physics in designing and playing an intriguing fantasy game.  I don't think it does any violence to the believability of the gameworld if a bad-ass warrior can occasionally swat/snatch projectiles out of the air. 

I think it is true to the genre, I think it is true to the image of a hard-case combat warrior, and, properly coded, I don't see what's the big deal.


Seeker

[brytta.leofa]

I would favor:
- A parry check for all projectiles, calibrated to their size and speed.  All but impossible to parry fast-moving arrows or small, fast-slung rocks.
- A catch check for thrown weapons only, again calibrated per weapon.  No catching arrows.

[X-D]

No catching knives or axes either, thats just silly...and certain throwing star type weapons. Spears, Bolo...Sure.

[Desertman]

I would favor:
- A parry check for all projectiles, calibrated to their size and speed.  All but impossible to parry fast-moving arrows or small, fast-slung rocks.
- A catch check for thrown weapons only, again calibrated per weapon.  No catching arrows.

I find that strange, I have never seen a knife or spear that was thrown get caught by a human being....I have however seen many arrows get caught out of the air....Even on Zalanthas I would think that RL probability would carry over to Zalanthan probability.

I wouldnt mind seeing thrown weapons, such as knives and axes get caught, but I would definantly see arrows, things that get caught even by meager Earth humans, have a chance of getting caught by fantasy super warriors.

Edited to Add:

I agree with X-D, it SHOULD be harder to catch axes and throwing stars, for obvious reasons....But if we codedly make it impossible to catch a throwing axe or throwing star, ALL assassins will eventually start ONLY carrying those weapons, instead of knives, because they know codedly they trump knives.

[Troicha]

A little bit of RL, just for comparison.

Arrows move MUCH faster than thrown knives. I've caught the latter before, once (not thrown directly at my body, thanks).

[Ghost]

Arrows move MUCH faster than thrown knives. I've caught the latter before, once (not thrown directly at my body, thanks).

But considering it moves tumbling along, how do you pick which side you are about to catch it?  Flying that fast, if you catch it by the blade that will result in negative hp.

On topic:  I am in favor of catching projectiles.  So a guy can parry/block arrows, what is the big deal?

[Desertman]

A little bit of RL, just for comparison.

Arrows move MUCH faster than thrown knives. I've caught the latter before, once (not thrown directly at my body, thanks).

I have had a younger cousin of mine shoot target (blunted aluminum arrows) arrows and have caught them myself (not fired directly at me, but still, a fucking bad idea I know), granted this was from a junior weight bow...but I was a stupid 12 year old skinny white kid...and not a uber badass super muscular warrior of desert doom...So I think it balances out for comparison to Zalanthas.

Before anyone asks, yes as a kid I watched Xena Warrior Princess all of the time, which gave me this idea...and I have to say I got pretty fucking good at it for a kid. I never did get the balls to actually have one shot directly at me though, and I was lucky to never take a hit from a stray shot either.

I have also seen a over-weight cracker with glasses catch arrows shot from hunting weight bows, many times.

I personally have never seen anyone catch a throwing knife, but I'm sure it can be done with some degree of skill, if not luck.

On Zalanthas, I'm sure both can be done...I'm just saying that the one that happens ALL of the time IRL, would probably happen alot more on Zalanthas as well. Meaning, arrows are easier to catch than throwing knives IRL, atleast for

[X-D]

Fired from what kind of bow?

There is a HUGE difference between an arrow traveling at 80mph and one at near 200mph. 12th centery english longbows could fire around 180mph. NOBODY, can catch that other then it sticking in them.

[Malken]

Catching arrows is just plain ridiculous. End of story. Next idea please.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

There are more important things than RL physics in designing and playing an intriguing fantasy game.  I don't think it does any violence to the believability of the gameworld if a bad-ass warrior can occasionally swat/snatch projectiles out of the air. 

I think it is true to the genre, I think it is true to the image of a hard-case combat warrior, and, properly coded, I don't see what's the big deal.

QFT.

[Desertman]

Fired from what kind of bow?

There is a HUGE difference between an arrow traveling at 80mph and one at near 200mph. 12th centery english longbows could fire around 180mph. NOBODY, can catch that other then it sticking in them.

There is likely a HUGE difference between a buffalo standing just larger than your average mid-size car and a bahamet standing just larger than your average Wal-Mart Super Store...But we still have warriors with the ability to solo them with primative weapons in Zalanthas.

So my answer would be, NOBODY who is not an uber fantasy warrior could catch "that" other then it sticking in them. Luckily we have the ability to make uber fantasy warriors in Zalanthas, because it isnt Earth.

Catching arrows is just plain ridiculous. End of story. Next idea please.

You are wrong. Idea still open.

Edited to add: I feel like a silly douche bag putting in a vauge one liner as a response to someone's post, so I did the intelligent thing and came up with a compromise.

We all agree that arrows can be caught out of the air, atleast if shot from lower powered bows.

I would argue that you only have real life physics to go off of, but I wont, I will agree and say that a Zalanthan fantasy warrior CANT catch an arrow going 180mph.

Earth humans CAN catch arrows going 135mph. Infact a man holds the record for catching over 10, all going atleast 135 mph in one minute, from two separate archers.

So my compromise would be that the "targets" would only have a chance of catching arrows shot from the less powerful bows, the slender weaker longbows, the shortbows...so on and so forth. They wouldnt have a chance of bare hand catching arrows shot from powerful longbows, like the before mentioned 12th century English longbows.

There, a good compromise that should make everyone happy yes?

[staggerlee]

I like the way you're going with it honestly, not because I think it needs to be nerfed (having an empty hand where you could have a shield seems like a pretty big nerf already) but because, as you point out, it demonstrates that thought's been put into how it works in relation to the world.

And that is a pretty slick compromise... leaving extremely competent archers able to remain just that, while giving really badass warriors the chance to show off too.

Within the proper limitations, I think it'd be a rare thing that only a very few quick and competent warriors would ever specialize in.  And that could be pretty cool.

[Desertman]

I like the way you're going with it honestly, not because I think it needs to be nerfed (having an empty hand where you could have a shield seems like a pretty big nerf already) but because, as you point out, it demonstrates that thought's been put into how it works in relation to the world.

And that is a pretty slick compromise... leaving extremely competent archers able to remain just that, while giving really badass warriors the chance to show off too.

Within the proper limitations, I think it'd be a rare thing that only a very few quick and competent warriors would ever specialize in.  And that could be pretty cool.

I do agree, I wouldnt want to see every Amos Warrior snatching up arrows like they were tennis balls, only those who have truly become badass.

[Bebop]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=catching+arrows

Apparently it CAN be done, well that solves that question.

[Desertman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLj8eK814o0

I think that one would also solve the problem of "Too Powerful"...or..."Too Fast" arrows...The shooter is using a major compound bow.