...Oh boy. More from Dr. J....


My issue:

I'm an old man without that much time for games. There are times I want to play non-ranger outdoorsmen. Very recently, I've been toying with Assassin/Hunters. I like storms, I like getting lost in storms. I like the struggle for survival that comes from getting lost in a storm, losing your mount and falling off the shield wall . What I don't like - is being stuck with an immobile character in a storm for 6 hours.


My solution:

Allow non-rangers to quit in the desert at the expense of most of their HP + Stam.

Exiting the game:

100hp 100mv 100st> Quit

You leave the game and struggle to survive in the wilds.

Re-entering the game:

Your time in the wilds has caused you to suffer. (all HP + Stam reduced by 50%)

50hp 50mv 50st>


Why 50%? Because this is the magic number that will force you to have to find shelter/civilization and sleep to regain your health which puts you in a very vulnerable position in the wilds. This will force non-rangers to very carefully consider quitting in the wilds.

Common arguments:

Q: jmordetsky why don't you just play a ranger?
A: Because it's fucking boring/easy/limiting and I can make money with a ranger faster then a dock whore when the ships pull in.

Q: jmordetsky why don't you just stay in the cities?
A: Because it's fucking boring/easy/limiting and I can make money in the city faster then a dock whore when the ships pull in.

Q: jmordetsky why don't you just plan your play time better?
A: Because I have a fucking life to live.

Q: jmordetsky don't you think it would throw the balance of the game off.
A: No.

I've always been in favor of expanding ranger quit to other classes/subguilds. Can't say I'd be up for the 50% idea because you'd be running into folks all the time...


A tall muscular man is here, bleeding heavily

You say, in sirihish:
            "Dude what the fuck happened!"

A tall muscular man says, in sirihish:
            "Nothing, I just broke camp."

You think:
            "Why does everyone look like shit when they break camp.."


Maybe something like a 5-10 min delay before you quit out?


>make camp
You begin making a camp for the night

**5 min pass**

You setup camp
Come back soon!
                                _______                                ___
                              /\\_____//~-_                        _-~\\__
                             (~)       ~-_ ~-_                  _-~ _-~   
                            (~)           ~-_ ~-_            _-~ /-~     
Welcome to Armageddon!     (~)              `~-_ ~_======_--~~ __~       



This wouldn't really be a harsh penalty for subclass physicians.

In fact, that sounds like a really excellent way to practice bandaging.

Quote from: Synthesis on June 28, 2009, 05:15:16 PM
This wouldn't really be a harsh penalty for subclass physicians.

In fact, that sounds like a really excellent way to practice bandaging.

Login hurt for no reason to bandage up wounds that aren't there. This is RPI, right? 

Instead of health drain, drain all of the endurance and make the character at very hungry and thirsty.

Quote from: Semper on June 28, 2009, 05:49:35 PM
Instead of health drain, drain all of the endurance and make the character at very hungry and thirsty.

This I could go with.

Quote from: Majikal on June 28, 2009, 05:11:07 PM
I've always been in favor of expanding ranger quit to other classes/subguilds. Can't say I'd be up for the 50% idea because you'd be running into folks all the time...

Rather then breaking camp - the correct response would be - I was stuck in the wastes all week, I'm not really skilled at that.


re: Hunger/thirst -

I like it, but it would really be a penalty for me. I would just always keep food and water on me. No worries to quit then.

re: Physicians

Hmm - yea - I almost see that as a bonus though.

I think the relief of the many players who would believably use a quit-anywhere feature monstrously outweighs the unfortunate effects of the poor behaviour of a few. I'm behind the ideas in this thread as workable compromises not between playability and believability but between playability and self-flagellation.

Old idea is old.  This was suggested first... what?  Two years ago?

Not saying I don't like the general idea, but it's been discussed to death in the past with no change.

This is the part where we harrass the staff about it every six months for all eternity.

Quote from: spawnloser on June 28, 2009, 08:06:45 PM
Old idea is old.  This was suggested first... what?  Two years ago?

Not saying I don't like the general idea, but it's been discussed to death in the past with no change.

Alot of old suggestions get brought up again, looked at again and implemented. Quite of a few things added to the game recently were ideas from dusty old threads anew again. No problems with similar topics popping up twice.

Quote from: spawnloser on June 28, 2009, 08:06:45 PM
Old idea is old.  This was suggested first... what?  Two years ago?

Not saying I don't like the general idea, but it's been discussed to death in the past with no change.

I'm pretty sure I was the one who suggested it 2 yrs ago and yea - doesn't mean it DOESN'T ROCK!

New blood. New faces.

I'd bee fine with it if they were reduced to zero stamina and were in the early stages of hunger and thirst. It would be a reasonable exchange to be able to do something that they lack the knowledge to do correctly and would make them have to be careful using it. Log out in the wilds in an emergency in exchange for being pretty vulnerable (but not unexplainably wounded). when they return to the game.

So what happens if you log in with 50% hp and stam, but something suddenly comes up IRL, and you need to quit again?

Quote from: Qzzrbl on June 29, 2009, 12:16:34 AM
So what happens if you log in with 50% hp and stam, but something suddenly comes up IRL, and you need to quit again?

50% again.

50% hp is too much.  Seriously, that'll put you into the 'need magick or sleep' area automatically.  Reduced to 75% hp I can live with.

Quote from: spawnloser on June 29, 2009, 02:35:00 AM
Seriously, that'll put you into the 'need magick or sleep' area automatically. 

Yea, that was sort of the idea. It makes it a much more serious thing. I think the big fear to this is a bunch of wandering warrior/nomads quitting whenever they feel like it. I think you really have to go to the 50% level + hunger + thirst to prevent that.

Wait...what exactly is the problem with a bunch of wandering warrior/nomads quitting whenever they feel like it?

Quote from: Synthesis on June 29, 2009, 05:10:10 AM
Wait...what exactly is the problem with a bunch of wandering warrior/nomads quitting whenever they feel like it?

For me personally, warriors quitting - I don't care. But the last time I brought this up, people felt there were balance issues with that and also that it would rob the cities of player base.

I don't really agree with the balance issue  - but I do feel that if desert quit was too easy that the second issue would be real. Keeping desert quit scary forces you back to cities to stay healthy which I think is important. But, that is just the opinion of one (relatively handsome) man.

it would nerf rangers. duh.

I haven't been following the non-ranger quit discussions for a while, so forgive me if this has been suggested, but...

What if certain objects let you wilderness quit?

Like, say, a tent lets you quit out (and the tent quits too).  The penalty would be paying for and carrying around a large, expensive tent.

There might be other items too, possibly consumable.  Like, a desert survival kit that gets partially (or totally) used up when you quit so you have to keep buying more of them.

Quote from: Marauder Moe on June 29, 2009, 01:39:28 PM
I haven't been following the non-ranger quit discussions for a while, so forgive me if this has been suggested, but...

What if certain objects let you wilderness quit?

Like, say, a tent lets you quit out (and the tent quits too).  The penalty would be paying for and carrying around a large, expensive tent.

There might be other items too, possibly consumable.  Like, a desert survival kit that gets partially (or totally) used up when you quit so you have to keep buying more of them.

Yeah, but then people hop on the, "Why do I need to buy stuff IC so I can do something as OOC as quitting" train, and the discussion usually ends right about there.

He is carrying:
- a cracked desert-camouflaged tent

Well I've said it before, and I'm not going to argue in depth again, but ranger quit is not entirely OOC.  It represents the IC ability to survive indefinitely (or at least long-term) in the wilderness.

Personally I don't think everyone should get ranger quit (but I can think of a few guilds/subguilds that should get it).  But if they were, I'd want it to be for a hefty price (expensive and/or heavy equipment) so that actual rangers, masters of the wastes, still have an advantage.

Logging in with lowered HP/MV isn't a very good penalty.  Either you simply rest it off (in which case the penalty is simply being delayed a few RL minutes) or you get unlucky and something eats you (which is something regular rangers face anyway).

Make all tents quit-enabled; but the tent does not quit with you.

- If you log back in and the tent's still there, you're placed inside the tent.
- If you log back in and the tent's gone, you're placed in the room in which the tent was pitched when you logged out.

What disadvantages over ranger quit?  You've left a rather expensive marker showing right where you're going to log back in.  It's easy enough for someone to steal it, or to camp out in your thoughtfully-provided shelter and wait for you to "wake up."

This change would eliminate 71% of the pent-up demand for staff support of uncoded clans.