Armageddon General Discussion Board

General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jeshin on November 17, 2011, 09:00:31 AM

Title: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on November 17, 2011, 09:00:31 AM
After Wedi's post and Nyr's reply this is the official. Unbearable lag thread. Whenever encountered with what you consider to be game affecting lag or an unintentional DC please include the following

1) PST/EST/GMT of the event or just say at the time of posting
2) IG time - early morning etc etc
3) On a scale of 1-10 how bad the lag is. 1 being one or two seconds sporadically, 5 being several seconds over a long peiod, and 10 being a full disconnect [not by the server].

We can fight lag, with data!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Thunkkin on November 17, 2011, 09:13:32 AM
1) Last night, CST, late evening.
2) Can't recall the IG time.
3) 10. I had a few full disconnects and eventually just gave up went LD, even though I was just 2-3 rooms from a quit room. Moving from point A to point B was like molasses.

1) This morning, CST, 730-ish.
2) IG time ... morning-ish.
3) 2. Regular, noticeable, short lag. I haven't experienced lag on Arm in a very long time, so even this small amount stands out to me.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on November 17, 2011, 10:31:56 AM
I bumped up a thread on the IDB to review the issue with the VPS host.  We'll also see if ginka is causing some issues itself internally (seems unlikely, I've noted some lag in arm.org related tools).
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on November 17, 2011, 10:52:47 AM
1.  Last night.  Things were running okay until ~11:30pm CST.
2.  I don't see how IG time could possibly be helpful.  It lasted from mid-day until I managed to log off the next IG day.
3.  9.  I didn't get DC'd, but the game would only respond to commands on 2-3 minute intervals.

It was bad on several occasions two days ago, too, but I don't remember the times.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: stark on November 17, 2011, 11:20:50 AM
The *lagmonster* Mangles you with its stupefyingly syrupy-slow sloth spell.
You watch helplessly as your clanmates try to regrasp reality by reconnecting repeatedly.
Strangers pass out using the unseen ways during long bouts of unnatural stillness.
Intimate situations become unbearably awkward as you begin to mount someone who seems to no longer be there.
The evil-carru defies the unnatural stillness despite the odds.

Those were word problem answers.
Seriously though:
1. I think the lag has been around the last few days CST
2. Any of the times of day, I generally play from 7am CST to after midnight CST
3. I've disconnected twice thinking the MUD was locked up because of lack of movements.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Cowboy on November 17, 2011, 03:16:05 PM
Some trouble here as well.  So much lag last night, I gave up trying to play around 7PM MST.

1. The lag has been around the last few days MST
2. Any of the times of day, I generally play from 9am MST to 10PM MST
3. I've been disconnected numerous (more than 10) times over the last few days.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Marauder Moe on November 17, 2011, 03:20:13 PM
Shouldn't you all be fighting the lag with, you know, traceroutes?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on November 17, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: Marauder Moe on November 17, 2011, 03:20:13 PM
Shouldn't you all be fighting the lag with, you know, traceroutes?

The lag is on the game's side.  So... traceroute doesn't do much to help.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on November 17, 2011, 03:37:11 PM
Still lagged today when I was on at 11ish am pst
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on November 17, 2011, 03:50:58 PM
Quote from: Old Kank on November 17, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: Marauder Moe on November 17, 2011, 03:20:13 PM
Shouldn't you all be fighting the lag with, you know, traceroutes?

The lag is on the game's side.  So... traceroute doesn't do much to help.

While it is a possibility that it is something else, it's also important to note that traceroute would be a viable testing tool to either confirm or deny that fact.

We're looking into the matter.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on November 17, 2011, 04:29:02 PM
Also, if you are finding that you are having trouble connecting, like every time you point your client to Armageddon it lags, please send a mail to morgenes (at) armageddon.org and cc mud (at) armageddon.org.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Down Under on November 18, 2011, 01:25:08 AM
I've had consistent lag issues from 7-11PM PST for the last three days straight, along with lag connectivity client-side.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Wolfsong on November 18, 2011, 01:25:48 AM
1. began 1:21 AM EST, seems ongoing (Edit: Seemed to stop sometime around 2:00-2:15 AM EST?)
2. happened during the early morning tick, possibly on the turnover from dawn to early morning?
3. I originally pegged it at around 6 on the bad scale, but right now I'd almost put it more about 8-9.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Celest on November 18, 2011, 01:25:59 AM
1:24 AM EST, Nov 18. Lag is about a 7 or 8 right now. My screen has been still for a good 20-30 seconds, and it crops up every few minutes or so, with "aftershocks" of 5s of lag every 10-15 seconds between the big spikes.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on November 18, 2011, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: Celest on November 18, 2011, 01:25:59 AM
1:24 AM EST, Nov 18. Lag is about a 7 or 8 right now. My screen has been still for a good 20-30 seconds, and it crops up every few minutes or so, with "aftershocks" of 5s of lag every 10-15 seconds between the big spikes.

Confirmed on my end too, my internet speed is fine.
1:32 AM EST, early morning in game right now. Definite lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: TheBadSeed on November 18, 2011, 01:40:09 AM
Yup. definite crazy lag. Starting at about 1:00am EST, got really, really bad.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: solera on November 18, 2011, 01:40:45 AM
24 hrs ago.  Increasing amounts of 20 sec + .  Seemed to take half the morning to get across town.
(was hoping to hitch to someone without lag to take me there)

Today. Yep. Still lagging each step of the load in.  Try again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Celest on November 18, 2011, 01:42:12 AM
Another series of pretty bad spikes at 1:40 EST :(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: TheBadSeed on November 18, 2011, 01:48:55 AM
Yar. Bad lag spikes started around 1:00 am EST.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Taven on November 18, 2011, 01:50:33 AM
Quote from: Jeshin on November 17, 2011, 09:00:31 AM
After Wedi's post and Nyr's reply this is the official. Unbearable lag thread. Whenever encountered with what you consider to be game affecting lag or an unintentional DC please include the following

1) PST/EST/GMT of the event or just say at the time of posting
2) IG time - early morning etc etc
3) On a scale of 1-10 how bad the lag is. 1 being one or two seconds sporadically, 5 being several seconds over a long peiod, and 10 being a full disconnect [not by the server].

We can fight lag, with data!

1) 12:47 CST
2) High Sun
3) Pretty damn bad. I input a command at 12:45:10 and it finally returned to me at 12:46:33 - That's a 1 minute 23 second lag.

It also lagged getting the mantis to come up. For logging in. Not dying. Although that probably also lags.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Celest on November 18, 2011, 01:51:06 AM
Another at 1:50. I think whenever time "rolls over" an hour, it causes a huge lag spike. It seems to fit the intervals.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on November 18, 2011, 01:54:40 AM
I'm getting the same lag as everyone else.

pinging ginka gives me:
Ping statistics for 209.159.155.236
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 91ms, Average = 90ms.

tracert didn't show much.  Most of my hops average 60-90ms, but a couple servers 3-4 hops away from ginka occasionally give me ~150-200ms.  These two:
ae1d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net
207.239.51.86

Edit:  It's now 1:15 CST and the lag seems to have gone away.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: JustAnotherGuy on November 18, 2011, 02:32:49 PM
Time:  2:32pm EST
Duration: About 5-10 seconds of no response from game after typing command.

Ping went through no timeouts... about 50ms average.

Tracert completed fine, no lag on trace.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Ouroboros on November 18, 2011, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: JustAnotherGuy on November 18, 2011, 02:32:49 PM
Time:  2:32pm EST
Duration: About 5-10 seconds of no response from game after typing command.

Ping went through no timeouts... about 50ms average.

Tracert completed fine, no lag on trace.

Experienced the same lag on the request tool, on my end, exactly one hour later (four mins from time posted).
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on November 18, 2011, 03:37:02 PM
Yeah, actually three of us were online trying to talk about important stuff, so we are very clear on the timestamps on this latest spike.  Got some good data to look at at least to rule out some things, I hope.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Wolfsong on November 18, 2011, 04:36:52 PM
More lag hit around 4:30 PM EST. Remains ongoing, time now at 5:08 pm EST. It comes and goes in spikes.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Olafson on November 18, 2011, 04:37:08 PM
Lag at 4:35 EST.
Lasted about half a minute to a minute, wasn't really timing.

Hitting on and off a bit still, five minutes later.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Fredd on November 18, 2011, 05:06:36 PM
Time: 5PM EST

Lag has been consistant for about 5 mins now, and it takes about 45 sec (which seems an hour! lol) To move between rooms or enter commands such as "Look Bow"

edit: just ended at 5:07 pm est
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Cowboy on November 18, 2011, 08:11:13 PM
Lag was bad between 6PM and 7PM EST.  Missed most of the Tuluki RPT.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on November 20, 2011, 09:24:26 PM
right now, 7:22 PM Mountain time, really bad.

Which is 6:22 PST
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Down Under on November 20, 2011, 09:24:35 PM
Large spike at 6:15 PM PST.

Any word on what's going on from the provider?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Culinary Critic on November 20, 2011, 09:55:16 PM
Still.  9:50 P.M. EST.  Late at night on Abid, the 157th Year of the Descending Sun.  Anywhere from 3 to 20 second delay on all commands.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Whiran Luck on November 20, 2011, 09:55:50 PM
For the past couple hours or so, so from around 5pm PST through to nearly 7pm. So bad, I ended up logging out. It's unplayably bad. Nothing else seems to be lagging (other webpages). Just Arm.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Cowboy on November 20, 2011, 09:58:51 PM
Same here.  Logged out.  Lag was going to get someone killed.  Same time as above.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: TheBadSeed on November 20, 2011, 09:59:11 PM
Cruel lag, from 9:15 EST til now (10p EST)..

Oh, how I miss ranger quit right now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on November 20, 2011, 10:00:47 PM
Quote from: TheBadSeed on November 20, 2011, 09:59:11 PM
Oh, how I miss ranger quit right now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evilcabbage on November 20, 2011, 11:46:54 PM
By my diagnosis, the GAME itself is actually lagging. As in, combat, commands, everything. It freezes. Combat does not stack, and then spit at you, the entire game will literally freeze up and when the lag falls off, combat resumes as normal. That is my experience. I can't say how NPCs are acting.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: TheBadSeed on November 20, 2011, 11:58:45 PM
Quote from: evilcabbage on November 20, 2011, 11:46:54 PM
By my diagnosis, the GAME itself is actually lagging. As in, combat, commands, everything. It freezes. Combat does not stack, and then spit at you, the entire game will literally freeze up and when the lag falls off, combat resumes as normal. That is my experience. I can't say how NPCs are acting.
Agreed. It doesn't seem that you are missing time to act, just that the whole thing slows to a crawl.

I don't believe this is a net issue, but rather an issue with the box that is running the game.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on November 21, 2011, 02:02:08 AM
My co player disconnected a couple of times though.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evilcabbage on November 21, 2011, 02:32:32 AM
Quote from: Iiyola on November 21, 2011, 02:02:08 AM
My co player disconnected a couple of times though.
Usually to fix lag people will discon/recon because often times it's a client-side issue.

However, this is not one of those times.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: DustMight on November 21, 2011, 10:02:00 AM
During a bout of serious lag this AM:

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     2 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.1
  2     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  <super secret>
  3     9 ms    10 ms    10 ms  Springfield-NPEG1-2.vermontel.net [216.66.108.198]
  4    10 ms     9 ms     9 ms  vtelinet-216-66-108-206.vermontel.net [216.66.108.206]
  5    11 ms    10 ms    12 ms  vtelinet-216-66-108-10.vermontel.net [216.66.108.10]
  6    14 ms    13 ms    14 ms  vtelinet-216-66-105-18.vermontel.net [216.66.105.18]
  7    14 ms    13 ms    14 ms  te0-6-0-5.ccr21.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.99.222.137]
  8    23 ms    20 ms    20 ms  te0-3-0-2.mpd21.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.44.13]
  9    20 ms    18 ms    19 ms  te0-0-0-0.ccr21.jfk07.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.27.210]
10    19 ms    19 ms    20 ms  abovenet.jfk07.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.146]
11   409 ms   404 ms   407 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
12    21 ms    20 ms    20 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
13    20 ms    20 ms    21 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
14    20 ms    19 ms    20 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on November 21, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
Seems the Lag is back in action.

1:03 pm pst
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on November 21, 2011, 04:09:19 PM
Yep, same.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Wolfsong on November 22, 2011, 01:23:45 AM
Anyone else notice the lag spike around 1:15ish AM EST tonight?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Yasbusta on November 22, 2011, 01:57:05 AM
Yuppers, still happening
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: solera on November 22, 2011, 01:57:38 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on November 22, 2011, 02:03:46 AM
Brutal, like a kick between the legs.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Celest on November 22, 2011, 02:07:41 AM
Just checking in to mention the lag!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evilcabbage on November 22, 2011, 01:42:55 PM
1:40 p.m., lasted for 2 minutes and about 30-40 seconds. INTENSE lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evilcabbage on November 22, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
Question: Could a memory leak somewhere cause this much lag?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on November 22, 2011, 01:45:26 PM
Lag horribly here as well PST 10:45 am
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Down Under on November 22, 2011, 02:28:10 PM
11:28 PM PST, over a minute.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on November 22, 2011, 02:28:22 PM
Yep!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on November 22, 2011, 02:30:02 PM
Game is chugging again now. Also had a hard time visiting the forums this morning around 2AM?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: lussien on November 22, 2011, 02:33:09 PM
tracert armageddon.org

Tracing route to armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1     1 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  zyxel.com [192.168.1.1]
 2     6 ms     8 ms     9 ms  cm1.eta244.maxonline.com.sg [116.88.244.1]
 3     9 ms     8 ms     8 ms  172.20.52.17
 4     7 ms     7 ms    10 ms  172.26.52.1
 5     9 ms    10 ms    23 ms  172.20.7.86
 6     7 ms    22 ms    12 ms  172.20.7.50
 7    16 ms    11 ms    14 ms  203.116.245.101
 8    82 ms    84 ms    79 ms  p16-7-3-3.r23.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.12.141]
 9   198 ms    78 ms    82 ms  ae-4.r24.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.159]
10   150 ms   102 ms    86 ms  ae-3.r22.osakjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.220]
11    88 ms    96 ms    86 ms  ae-2.r21.osakjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.68]
12   203 ms   210 ms   216 ms  as-1.r21.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.197]
13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
14   212 ms   214 ms   204 ms  207.88.14.225.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.225]
15   297 ms   298 ms   288 ms  te-2-0-0.rar3.washington-dc.us.xo.net [207.88.12.70]
16   279 ms   286 ms   278 ms  ae0d0.mcr1.newark-nj.us.xo.net [216.156.0.22]
17   286 ms   280 ms   285 ms  ae1d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net [216.156.1.9]
18   272 ms   277 ms   269 ms  207.239.51.86
19   270 ms   280 ms   269 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
20   293 ms   290 ms   301 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
21   268 ms   278 ms   277 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.

Wow. 21 steps. :S

5 minutes ago, with a very very very long lag, it was like the game disconnected on me. My connection is finez.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: muddy on November 22, 2011, 04:50:17 PM
Bad right now (maybe an 8 on the 1-10), 1:40pm-ish Pacific Time (IG early afternoon, but bad all day)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: musashi on November 22, 2011, 07:39:19 PM
I never realized what you guys were talking about till I had a chance to play on peak a little.

The lag does not happen off peak.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Taven on November 22, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
6:39pm EST - been getting lag spikes since maybe just after 4pm. Sometimes it's fine, and sometimes there will be a lag spike.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Desertman on November 22, 2011, 11:08:38 PM
Central Texas. 10:07 PM central time.

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  . [192.168.2.1]
  2    51 ms    25 ms    37 ms  10.31.32.1
  3    15 ms    25 ms    29 ms  host-173-45-192-1.tvmax.net [173.45.192.1]
  4    23 ms    15 ms     9 ms  ge-11-3-4.mpr1.iah63.us.above.net [64.125.194.10
9]
  5    23 ms    31 ms    34 ms  xe-3-1-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.30.38]
  6    70 ms    48 ms    55 ms  xe-2-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.28.49]
  7    61 ms     *       99 ms  xe-3-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.110]
  8    47 ms    48 ms    46 ms  xe-0-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.27.65]
  9   105 ms   200 ms   219 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
10    41 ms    54 ms    43 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
11    69 ms    61 ms    46 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
12    56 ms    56 ms    54 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evilcabbage on November 23, 2011, 01:03:08 AM
HO
LY
SHIT

It's been like 20-30 minutes now of NON STOP lag!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Fathi on November 23, 2011, 01:42:13 AM
I'm barely lagging at all now. Woo!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on November 23, 2011, 01:46:08 AM
Clearly we all logged off, thus no lag!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Whiran Luck on November 23, 2011, 04:28:38 AM
Was lagging intermittantly in small starts and stops from about 4:30pm until about 9:45ishpm (all times PST) when the HOLY WALL OF LAG hit, rendering it impossible to play.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Krishnamurti on November 23, 2011, 06:18:14 AM
Unpassable walls of lag at 3am-3:20am PST ... logged out rather than deal with it.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: lussien on November 23, 2011, 07:16:34 AM
Biggest chug of a lag. 8.15pm GMT+8. I'm going to log out....unplayable. @_@
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: DustMight on November 23, 2011, 07:59:55 AM
64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]  seems to be a common problem in at least two of the metrics.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Desertman on November 23, 2011, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: DustMight on November 23, 2011, 07:59:55 AM
64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]  seems to be a common problem in at least two of the metrics.



I ran my trace multiple times last night as I would get bits of lag lasting about 10 minutes at a time roughly every hour to every hour and a half. This was indeed the culprit for me.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: muddy on November 23, 2011, 02:16:07 PM
maybe a 6.5 on the 1-10  around 11:00am Pacific time here in California.
TraceRoute to 209.159.155.236 [ginka.armageddon.org]

Hop   (ms)   (ms)   (ms)           IP Address   Host name
1      12      0      0         206.123.64.154     jbdr2.0.dal.colo4.com 
2      26      0      0         64.124.196.225     xe-4-2-0.er2.dfw2.us.above.net 
3      29      0      0         64.125.27.81     xe-0-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net 
4      5      5      5         64.125.26.134     xe-1-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net 
5      32      32      32         64.125.28.49     xe-2-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net 
6      37      46      65         64.125.26.106     xe-2-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net 
7      37      37      37         64.125.26.166     xe-1-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net 
8      359      53      404         64.124.44.213     64.124.44.213.interserver.com 
9      37      37      37         64.20.32.9     edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net 
10      37      37      37         64.20.62.226     openvz3.trouble-free.net 
11      37      37      37         209.159.155.236     ginka.armageddon.org
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: JustAnotherGuy on November 23, 2011, 03:06:52 PM
Yeah, interserver is the host of Ginka from what I can tell.  Pretty decent VPS packages.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on November 23, 2011, 04:38:35 PM
Been lagging for a couple of minutes now. Nothing works.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Whiran Luck on November 23, 2011, 04:49:20 PM
It's been lagging for the past couple of hours (since around 11am PST) with horrible lag spikes continuously since around 12pm pst. Lag can last up to a few minutes at a time.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evilcabbage on November 23, 2011, 04:51:24 PM
THE LAG GAAAH
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Lizzie on November 23, 2011, 05:59:38 PM
According to their website, there was a root exploit patch implemented on 10/20/2011 and they asked customers to contact support to get the patch updated onto their assigned server.

There was also a set of patched updates on 10/23 and they asked customers to contact support to ensure that their server got patched.

No other "news" for non-customers to access, I couldn't find any outage page. That might be only accessible by logged in customers.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: solera on November 29, 2011, 02:15:22 AM
Not healthy at the moment?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on November 29, 2011, 09:35:47 AM
Fight lag & crashes with metrics.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on November 29, 2011, 09:41:11 AM
Quote from: Jeshin on November 29, 2011, 09:35:47 AM
Fight lag & crashes with metrics.

Fortunately, the game has not crashed.  There was either a reboot or a crash 4 days ago.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Celest on November 29, 2011, 04:29:25 PM
4:30 EST and I'm getting a ton of lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: My 2 sids on November 29, 2011, 04:31:52 PM
Quote from: Celest on November 29, 2011, 04:29:25 PM
4:30 EST and I'm getting a ton of lag.

Same
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: lussien on November 29, 2011, 04:32:10 PM
5.30 GMT+8/+16

Right noooowww.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Celest on November 29, 2011, 04:37:54 PM
I've noticed that stamina and HPS don't regen during lag - but time SEEMS to continue on. Does thirst continue as normal while the lag goes on?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Yasbusta on November 29, 2011, 04:53:30 PM
Perhaps people are going to get annoyed, but there are two lags going on, system lag and other lag. The system lag is what stalls everything in game. Game time is based on the machine time so it advances when the system time does, creating hikkups. During these hickups you will not regen stamina stun, but also wont loose it, but time moves normally. The other lag thats going on, well I'm sure you can all see where that is happening already, :)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: My 2 sids on November 29, 2011, 04:59:14 PM
La
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: My 2 sids on November 29, 2011, 05:00:04 PM
_ __ _____ _ ag.



Seriously though, are we seeing any kind of diagnostic pattern here?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on November 29, 2011, 05:00:48 PM
Quote from: Yasbusta on November 29, 2011, 04:53:30 PM
Perhaps people are going to get annoyed, but there are two lags going on, system lag and other lag. The system lag is what stalls everything in game. Game time is based on the machine time so it advances when the system time does, creating hikkups. During these hickups you will not regen stamina stun, but also wont loose it, but time moves normally. The other lag thats going on, well I'm sure you can all see where that is happening already, :)

During the system lag we were having last week, I checked and game time was running pretty close to normal (~10 minutes per ZT hour), but regeneration seemed really slow.  It's possible that was just lag anxiety affecting my perception, but at one point it took close to a RL hour for my character to regen their hp, and that seems excessively slow.  Hard to really judge a consistent regen rate, though.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Celest on November 29, 2011, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: Yasbusta on November 29, 2011, 04:53:30 PM
Perhaps people are going to get annoyed, but there are two lags going on, system lag and other lag. The system lag is what stalls everything in game. Game time is based on the machine time so it advances when the system time does, creating hikkups. During these hickups you will not regen stamina stun, but also wont loose it, but time moves normally. The other lag thats going on, well I'm sure you can all see where that is happening already, :)

I sort of figured, but that still doesn't answer whether thirst depletes, because I don't know if it's tied to the time mechanism (where every time the hour passes, I lose X thirst) or if it's tied to the system which is lagging. I ask because if it's the former, then you could basically get "trapped" in the lag outside and potentially dehydrate yourself to death (or strong impairment) without really being able to do much about it.

If you have a lag that lasts, basically, from Late Morning to High Sun, and then another that lasts between High Sun to Early Afternoon, then you've basically stood in the desert for two hours without drinking. You can see how this could quickly become a problem if thirst is tied to time, instead of the same system as health/stamina/movement, especially because you can get locked out of some areas at dusk.

As it is now I'm almost positive that the system (health/stamina/stun) regeneration is lagged with the rest of things, as is combat, but I still have concerns about thirst.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on November 29, 2011, 05:02:39 PM
Yea, whats up with the sudden return of Lagzilla.

Internet Tokyo watch out.


(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5tTvwB3RyA2ZdMQjLnPnc6Sccd7v_GJRbiMOs3mudxUTpxSu5)

I got it, Ginka's new system has constipated itself after eating to many brainz.

ExLax for your moments of unbearable Lag:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6427279355_50aa584963_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Yasbusta on November 29, 2011, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: Celest on November 29, 2011, 05:01:38 PM
Quote from: Yasbusta on November 29, 2011, 04:53:30 PM
Perhaps people are going to get annoyed, but there are two lags going on, system lag and other lag. The system lag is what stalls everything in game. Game time is based on the machine time so it advances when the system time does, creating hikkups. During these hickups you will not regen stamina stun, but also wont loose it, but time moves normally. The other lag thats going on, well I'm sure you can all see where that is happening already, :)

I sort of figured, but that still doesn't answer whether thirst depletes, because I don't know if it's tied to the time mechanism (where every time the hour passes, I lose X thirst) or if it's tied to the system which is lagging. I ask because if it's the former, then you could basically get "trapped" in the lag outside and potentially dehydrate yourself to death (or strong impairment) without really being able to do much about it.

If you have a lag that lasts, basically, from Late Morning to High Sun, and then another that lasts between High Sun to Early Afternoon, then you've basically stood in the desert for two hours without drinking. You can see how this could quickly become a problem if thirst is tied to time, instead of the same system as health/stamina/movement, especially because you can get locked out of some areas at dusk.

As it is now I'm almost positive that the system (health/stamina/stun) regeneration is lagged with the rest of things, as is combat, but I still have concerns about thirst.

Fairly certain that thirst is based on both time and character, an issue you have to watch closely.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: muddy on November 29, 2011, 05:17:11 PM
In his belly OF LAG, you will find a new definition of pain and suffering, as you are slowly digested over a thousand years.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Talia on November 29, 2011, 05:32:30 PM
Code-wise, I believe regeneration/degeneration of anything (hp, thirst, etc) is not tied to time, rather it's semi-random but requires the game's code processor to actually be ticking over. So if the game is lagging and missing ticks, yes, it will affect your regen. That should mean that thirst/hunger go more slowly, as will hp/stun/mana regen.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: lussien on November 29, 2011, 05:41:13 PM
I'm getting so pissed off at the lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: DustMight on November 29, 2011, 05:43:42 PM
Meh.  Unable to play on a rare day off this month.  Alas.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on November 29, 2011, 05:57:08 PM
Has the cause of the lag been determined yet?

Seems like it went away completely over the holiday weekend, and now it's back.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on November 29, 2011, 05:58:41 PM
Yeah, very bad atm
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Celest on November 29, 2011, 07:22:03 PM
Quote from: Talia on November 29, 2011, 05:32:30 PM
Code-wise, I believe regeneration/degeneration of anything (hp, thirst, etc) is not tied to time, rather it's semi-random but requires the game's code processor to actually be ticking over. So if the game is lagging and missing ticks, yes, it will affect your regen. That should mean that thirst/hunger go more slowly, as will hp/stun/mana regen.

That's really good to know, thank you :)

Also, it's baaaaaaack! Early Morning was the starting time IG, just like last time.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on November 30, 2011, 02:48:55 PM
A change has been made server side, please speak up if you notice any more lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: brytta.leofa on November 30, 2011, 03:41:04 PM
Morgenes, please tell me that the main event loop was doing a callback for every dung object.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on November 30, 2011, 04:18:01 PM
Quote from: brytta.leofa on November 30, 2011, 03:41:04 PM
Morgenes, please tell me that the main event loop was doing a callback for every dung object.

No, in this case we don't believe the issue to be due to any changes or issues with Armageddon.  It appears to be (have been hopefully) a server issue with our virtual server.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Marauder Moe on November 30, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
Seemed like there was a spot of lag just now, ~6:00-6:02 PM EST.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on November 30, 2011, 10:38:44 PM
Alright, I went through the log I was keeping and couldn't correlate it, but it was 4 hours ago, so I might have missed it.  I've added a time stamp to the log so hopefully if you can give me a time again when it happens, I'll be able to find it.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kismetic on November 30, 2011, 10:44:15 PM
bilbo laggins, spotted 10:42 PM est
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on November 30, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
Ok, well if there was lag (not saying it wasn't), it appears to be different, as we aren't seeing the same symptoms in our server side as we were seeing before.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: TheBadSeed on November 30, 2011, 11:32:01 PM
Just played for 4(ish) hours, didn't have any lag. Think the fix may be working!
*finds a piece of wood to knock on*
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kismetic on December 01, 2011, 12:21:40 AM
Oh, it might have been me.   :-[
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Bacon on December 01, 2011, 11:34:12 AM
Getting lag surges at the moment. It will be fine for a bit and then suddenly lag, fine for a bit, then some lag again. 11:38 EST.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on December 01, 2011, 02:00:46 PM
Caught a lag last night for a couple of seconds, but then had a strange and awesome echo.. is the Lag because staff is tinkering with something?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on December 01, 2011, 02:12:35 PM
Probably important to run tracert's with new lag to confirm whether or not it's system or network lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 02, 2011, 11:02:45 AM
Terrible lag and disconnects for the last quarter of an hour or so. 4pm Gmt, 11am EST I think.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Mazy on December 02, 2011, 11:07:42 AM
I was having problems also with lag and connectivity.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on December 02, 2011, 01:10:23 PM
If you experience a lag, please include a tracert to ginka in your post.  Looking over the last two reports I am unable to correlate it to issues that we were seeing earlier.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 02, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
How do you do a traceat to ginka?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on December 02, 2011, 02:19:22 PM
Quote from: Booya on December 02, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
How do you do a traceat to ginka?

At your prompt:

> tracert ginka.armageddon.org
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 02, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
Tried it in my client and and it didn't work.  :-[

Which prompt?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Delirium on December 02, 2011, 02:53:22 PM
search for cmd.exe if you're using windows.

terminal, on mac.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Mazy on December 02, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
I think you confused your mud prompt with command prompt.

Click your window's button (if you're using windows) then go to all programs, and under accessories you should see the command prompt.

Open it and then you can >tracert.

EDIT: Or better yet, do what Delirium said and search for cmd or terminal. After I figured out tracert, I don't think my lag is ginka, because the ginka.armageddon.org is only about ~47 milliseconds. Maybe it's our connections.

EDIT EDIT: My lag is, indeed, on my side. :/
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Zoan on December 02, 2011, 05:35:03 PM
Start > Run > cmd
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 02, 2011, 06:09:38 PM
Hokay thanks. Next question, is there a way to copy it or do you have to write it out by hand? It won't let me copy the usual ways.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Zoan on December 02, 2011, 06:20:48 PM
Select all, then copy it. It's a pain but it's the only way.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on December 04, 2011, 06:02:37 PM
3 pm pst, Lag-zilla rears its ugly head.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on December 05, 2011, 08:17:21 AM
Quote from: Potaje on December 04, 2011, 06:02:37 PM
3 pm pst, Lag-zilla rears its ugly head.

I just went through the logs for the 6pm EST hour yesterday and didn't see anything that would indicate it from our side.  Did you try a tracert?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: TheBadSeed on December 06, 2011, 12:09:13 AM
Just after midnight, EST, 12-6-11..

The lag beastie cometh.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on December 06, 2011, 12:10:06 AM
9:09 pm pst
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on December 06, 2011, 12:11:42 AM
Right now. Bad.
Mon Dec  5 22:11:25 MST 2011

traceroute to ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.236), 64 hops max, 4050 byte packets
1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  5.343 ms  2.703 ms  2.421 ms
2  76.120.80.1 (76.120.80.1)  32.083 ms  57.835 ms  191.171 ms
3  te-7-4-ur04.arvada.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.129.229)  15.402 ms  16.045 ms  36.671 ms
4  te-0-5-0-2-ar02.aurora.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.179.245)  21.868 ms  27.428 ms  56.031 ms
5  pos-3-7-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.91.101)  20.886 ms  62.134 ms  26.101 ms
6  pos-2-13-0-0-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.86.210)  55.899 ms  93.913 ms  41.234 ms
7  pos-0-5-0-0-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.26)  54.753 ms  56.067 ms  55.624 ms
8  xe-5-1-0.er1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.13.185)  72.030 ms  64.778 ms  32.695 ms
9  xe-1-1-0.cr1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.26.209)  39.685 ms  73.747 ms  35.960 ms
10  xe-1-2-0.cr1.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.26.130)  60.250 ms  36.609 ms  57.743 ms
11  xe-0-0-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.30.66)  57.410 ms  62.393 ms  40.342 ms
12  xe-3-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.30.54)  71.455 ms  83.809 ms  89.859 ms
13  xe-2-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.26.106)  74.189 ms  76.566 ms  73.617 ms
14  xe-0-2-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.30.210)  73.449 ms  76.490 ms  77.467 ms
15  64.124.44.213.interserver.com (64.124.44.213)  91.360 ms  91.937 ms  73.715 ms
16  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.9)  89.547 ms  90.358 ms  134.374 ms
17  openvz3.trouble-free.net (64.20.62.226)  491.638 ms  381.069 ms  383.560 ms
18  ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.236)  362.043 ms !Z  409.321 ms !Z  409.856 ms !Z


For reference:
traceroute: Warning: www.google.com has multiple addresses; using 74.125.224.112
traceroute to www.l.google.com (74.125.224.112), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  3.829 ms  1.347 ms  1.256 ms
2  76.120.80.1 (76.120.80.1)  42.229 ms  29.677 ms  25.186 ms
3  te-7-4-ur04.arvada.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.129.229)  17.089 ms  36.389 ms  70.537 ms
4  te-0-8-0-1-ar02.aurora.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.103.41)  19.881 ms  17.565 ms  15.435 ms
5  pos-3-8-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.94.153)  16.588 ms  17.204 ms  16.340 ms
6  pos-2-13-0-0-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.86.210)  31.928 ms  30.969 ms  31.923 ms
7  pos-0-9-0-0-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.88.198)  74.116 ms  30.758 ms  31.980 ms
8  75.149.231.70 (75.149.231.70)  88.084 ms  61.496 ms  64.048 ms
9  72.14.233.85 (72.14.233.85)  63.937 ms  62.460 ms
    72.14.233.77 (72.14.233.77)  92.248 ms
10  72.14.237.219 (72.14.237.219)  67.622 ms
    72.14.237.221 (72.14.237.221)  102.098 ms
    72.14.237.215 (72.14.237.215)  65.853 ms
11  64.233.174.142 (64.233.174.142)  86.542 ms  64.705 ms  65.574 ms
12  64.233.174.205 (64.233.174.205)  67.939 ms
    64.233.174.207 (64.233.174.207)  65.938 ms
    64.233.174.205 (64.233.174.205)  112.310 ms
13  209.85.250.65 (209.85.250.65)  71.785 ms  66.648 ms  70.111 ms
14  64.233.174.109 (64.233.174.109)  79.496 ms  65.039 ms  66.751 ms
15  nuq04s08-in-f16.1e100.net (74.125.224.112)  62.508 ms  70.285 ms  136.587 ms
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: JustAnotherGuy on December 06, 2011, 12:12:26 AM
Ran these at 12:10AM EST.  Also getting lag spikes in a constant ping... typically around 150-170ms.  Looks to be Host again.

C:\Users\Knoxx>tracert www.armageddon.org

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1     1 ms    <1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
 2    70 ms    24 ms    22 ms  cpe-173-168-160-1.tampabay.res.rr.com [173.168.1
60.1]
 3    19 ms    13 ms    14 ms  gig12-0-0-2007.tampfledc-rtr2.tampflrdc.rr.com [
65.32.37.38]
 4    11 ms    12 ms    12 ms  653213hfc142.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.13.142]

 5    36 ms    37 ms    35 ms  ae-5-10.cr0.dfw10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.106]
 6    39 ms    41 ms    69 ms  ae-1-0.pr0.dfw10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.179]
 7    36 ms    38 ms    41 ms  ip65-47-204-109.z204-47-65.customer.algx.net [65
.47.204.109]
 8    68 ms    66 ms    71 ms  207.88.14.238.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.238]
 9    70 ms    70 ms    67 ms  vb24.rar3.washington-dc.us.xo.net [207.88.12.34]

10    65 ms   121 ms    63 ms  ae0d0.mcr1.newark-nj.us.xo.net [216.156.0.22]
11    64 ms    69 ms    66 ms  ae1d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net [216.156.1.9]
12   212 ms   207 ms   199 ms  207.239.51.86
13    67 ms    66 ms    67 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
14    66 ms    67 ms    64 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
15    64 ms    82 ms    66 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Knoxx>tracert www.armageddon.org

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1     1 ms     2 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
 2    26 ms    43 ms    30 ms  cpe-173-168-160-1.tampabay.res.rr.com [173.168.1
60.1]
 3    13 ms    30 ms    19 ms  gig12-0-0-2007.tampfledc-rtr2.tampflrdc.rr.com [
65.32.37.38]
 4    14 ms    28 ms    11 ms  653213hfc142.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.13.142]

 5    37 ms    37 ms    60 ms  ae-11-11.cr0.dfw10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.10.12]
 6    35 ms    38 ms    34 ms  ae-1-0.pr0.dfw10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.179]
 7    41 ms    38 ms    40 ms  ip65-47-204-109.z204-47-65.customer.algx.net [65
.47.204.109]
 8    68 ms    65 ms    66 ms  207.88.14.238.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.238]
 9    70 ms    66 ms    70 ms  vb24.rar3.washington-dc.us.xo.net [207.88.12.34]

10    68 ms    65 ms    69 ms  ae0d0.mcr1.newark-nj.us.xo.net [216.156.0.22]
11    69 ms    64 ms    66 ms  ae1d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net [216.156.1.9]
12    71 ms   203 ms   216 ms  207.239.51.86
13    67 ms    66 ms    68 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
14    66 ms    67 ms    65 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
15    66 ms    66 ms    68 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on December 06, 2011, 12:18:00 AM
Veeeery bad lagspike atm
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: JustAnotherGuy on December 06, 2011, 12:18:29 AM
Yep, they are coming in spurts...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: TheBadSeed on December 06, 2011, 12:19:22 AM
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Mike>tracert ginka.armageddon.org

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     6 ms     2 ms     2 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    40 ms    20 ms    29 ms  69.253.24.1
  3     8 ms     9 ms     8 ms  te-1-2-ur02.rt202.de.panjde.comcast.net [68.85.1
53.61]
  4     9 ms    11 ms    11 ms  te-8-4-ar02.wallingford.pa.panjde.comcast.net [6
8.86.211.230]
  5    13 ms    10 ms    11 ms  te-0-3-0-5-ar01.newcastle.de.panjde.comcast.net
[68.85.158.245]
  6    10 ms     9 ms     9 ms  xe-6-1-0-0-ar03.newcastle.de.panjde.comcast.net
[69.139.193.138]
  7    13 ms    17 ms    14 ms  pos-5-14-0-0-cr01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [
68.86.95.145]
  8     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  9    16 ms    16 ms    16 ms  xe-5-2-0.er2.iad10.us.above.net [64.125.12.77]
10    17 ms    18 ms    18 ms  xe-2-0-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.31.209]
11    21 ms    20 ms    21 ms  xe-2-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.106]
12    23 ms    22 ms    20 ms  xe-0-2-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.30.210]
13    21 ms    21 ms    21 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
14    38 ms    38 ms    37 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
15   227 ms   229 ms   231 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
16   274 ms   274 ms   271 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.

Big numbers on steps 15 and 16.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on December 06, 2011, 12:20:07 AM
Flat out unplayable at the moment. Had to Still waiting to quit out.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kaiden on December 06, 2011, 12:21:28 AM
*grunt*
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on December 06, 2011, 12:23:40 AM

C:\Documents and Settings\Aaron>Tracert 209.159.155.236

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ptld-dsl-gw44-236.ptld.qwest.net [207.225.84.236
]
  3    39 ms    38 ms    38 ms  ptld-agw1.inet.qwest.net [207.225.86.89]
  4    43 ms    43 ms    43 ms  sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [67.14.41.18]
  5    44 ms    43 ms    43 ms  206.111.7.153.ptr.us.xo.net [206.111.7.153]
  6    46 ms    47 ms    47 ms  vb2000d1.rar3.seattle-wa.us.xo.net [207.88.13.14
2]
  7   126 ms   126 ms   123 ms  te-4-0-0.rar3.denver-co.us.xo.net [207.88.12.82]

  8   132 ms   131 ms   132 ms  te-4-1-0.rar3.chicago-il.us.xo.net [207.88.12.21
]
  9   127 ms   124 ms   126 ms  vb24.rar3.washington-dc.us.xo.net [207.88.12.34]

10   145 ms   120 ms   120 ms  ae0d0.mcr1.newark-nj.us.xo.net [216.156.0.22]
11   120 ms   120 ms   120 ms  ae1d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net [216.156.1.9]
12   119 ms   119 ms   119 ms  207.239.51.86
13   122 ms   120 ms   121 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
14   119 ms   120 ms   120 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
15   121 ms   121 ms   121 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\Aaron>
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on December 06, 2011, 12:32:31 AM
Gave it one last ditch attempt, and the lag appears to have cleared up out of nowhere.

traceroute to ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.236), 64 hops max, 4050 byte packets
1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  5.459 ms  2.322 ms  2.770 ms
2  76.120.80.1 (76.120.80.1)  32.366 ms  78.165 ms  159.681 ms
3  te-7-4-ur04.arvada.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.129.229)  31.332 ms  36.901 ms  39.102 ms
4  te-0-5-0-2-ar02.aurora.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.179.245)  21.641 ms  66.540 ms  47.964 ms
5  pos-3-7-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.91.101)  45.751 ms  25.114 ms  39.697 ms
6  pos-2-13-0-0-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.86.210)  54.163 ms  36.306 ms  77.128 ms
7  pos-0-5-0-0-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.26)  33.929 ms  35.252 ms  37.283 ms
8  xe-5-1-0.er1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.13.185)  53.730 ms  41.104 ms  72.037 ms
9  xe-0-1-0.cr1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.27.73)  41.967 ms  43.006 ms  68.247 ms
10  xe-2-1-0.cr1.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.30.57)  47.689 ms  41.206 ms  42.148 ms
11  xe-5-0-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.31.214)  73.537 ms  87.743 ms  92.875 ms
12  xe-1-0-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.28.250)  69.549 ms  71.627 ms  94.077 ms
13  xe-2-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.26.106)  105.931 ms  127.987 ms  75.655 ms
14  xe-0-2-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.30.210)  116.909 ms  112.499 ms  78.408 ms
15  64.124.44.213.interserver.com (64.124.44.213)  84.867 ms  75.990 ms  78.556 ms
16  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.9)  92.420 ms  90.870 ms  95.186 ms
17  openvz3.trouble-free.net (64.20.62.226)  396.214 ms  305.419 ms  304.355 ms
18  ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.236)  307.531 ms !Z  305.121 ms !Z  409.391 ms !Z
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on December 06, 2011, 09:48:51 AM
Perfect guys, I was able to correlate it to my log and have sent it off to our host to see if they can figure out what is going on.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Mazy on December 06, 2011, 12:51:27 PM
Pinging 209.159.155.236 with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 209.159.155.236:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

As of 12:45 PM EST, I am unable to connect to either the site or the mud through armageddon.org or 209.159.155.236: 4050. I can still connect through mudconnector, though.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on December 06, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
Aaaand another bad lag spike.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on December 06, 2011, 05:43:35 PM
Deleted mine, realized me being on a public hospital network is causing weird issues with repeated requests like ping or traceroute.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evilcabbage on December 06, 2011, 05:46:17 PM
tracert ginka.armageddon.org

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1   194 ms   167 ms   166 ms  nas7.2ny1.Level3.net [63.215.27.61]
  2   166 ms   169 ms   167 ms  ge-6-2-2.car2.Boston1.Level3.net [63.212.202.3]

  3   179 ms   167 ms   177 ms  ae-2-7.bar1.Boston1.Level3.net [4.69.132.242]
  4   176 ms   167 ms   169 ms  ae-8-8.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.140.98]
  5   181 ms   177 ms   177 ms  ae-8-8.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.140.98]
  6   179 ms   177 ms   194 ms  ae-3-3.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.132.89]

  7   206 ms   177 ms   194 ms  ae-3-3.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.132.89]

  8   250 ms   187 ms   185 ms  ae-1-60.edge1.Washington4.Level3.net [4.69.149.1
5]
  9   185 ms   185 ms   187 ms  ae-1-60.edge1.Washington4.Level3.net [4.69.149.1
5]
10   188 ms   177 ms   187 ms  xe-5-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.29.77]
11   205 ms   194 ms   176 ms  xe-5-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.29.77]
12   188 ms   204 ms   194 ms  xe-1-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.166]
13   188 ms   194 ms   195 ms  xe-1-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.166]
14   189 ms   194 ms   195 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
15   186 ms   195 ms   187 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
16   199 ms   185 ms   187 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on December 06, 2011, 05:49:53 PM
Here's mine:

Ping:
~$ ping 209.159.155.236
PING 209.159.155.236 (209.159.155.236) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 209.159.155.236: icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=50.9 ms
64 bytes from 209.159.155.236: icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=49.9 ms
64 bytes from 209.159.155.236: icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=51.3 ms
64 bytes from 209.159.155.236: icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=51.9 ms
64 bytes from 209.159.155.236: icmp_req=5 ttl=53 time=52.3 ms

Traceroute:

traceroute to 209.159.155.236 (209.159.155.236), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  unknown (192.168.1.1)  2.981 ms  3.659 ms  5.824 ms
2  10.229.64.1 (10.229.64.1)  34.750 ms  39.435 ms  47.509 ms
3  network-024-029-002-149.cinci.rr.com (24.29.2.149)  51.632 ms  55.551 ms  58.779 ms
4  * tge7-1-1.tr00.clmkohpe.mwrtn.rr.com (65.25.137.85)  81.383 ms *
5  * * *
6  * 107.14.17.147 (107.14.17.147)  29.429 ms ae-1-0.pr0.chi10.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.155)  25.489 ms
7  te1-2-0d0.cir1.chicago2-il.us.xo.net (216.156.72.5)  51.549 ms 216.156.72.133.ptr.us.xo.net (216.156.72.133)  53.655 ms te1-2-0d0.cir1.chicago2-il.us.xo.net (216.156.72.5)  51.902 ms
8  207.88.14.201.ptr.us.xo.net (207.88.14.201)  58.511 ms  60.033 ms  60.584 ms
9  ae0d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net (216.156.0.18)  54.965 ms  55.620 ms  56.811 ms
10  207.239.51.86 (207.239.51.86)  50.927 ms  54.720 ms  55.915 ms
11  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.9)  57.819 ms  57.160 ms  58.394 ms
12  openvz3.trouble-free.net (64.20.62.226)  48.834 ms  52.415 ms  53.840 ms
13  ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.236)  56.733 ms !X  55.967 ms !X  54.476 ms !X


Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 06, 2011, 05:51:35 PM
Yay! I've been wanting to do it.

 1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
 2     8 ms    29 ms    25 ms  10.122.220.1
 3    14 ms    12 ms    31 ms  brig-cam-1a-v109.network.virginmedia.net [80.3.66.73]
 4    34 ms    11 ms    11 ms  brig-core-1a-ge-011-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.182.174.29]
 5     7 ms     8 ms     7 ms  brig-core-2a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.162.221]
 6     9 ms    11 ms    31 ms  glfd-bb-1a-ae6-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.153]
 7    16 ms    13 ms    11 ms  popl-bb-1b-ae7-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.62]
 8   183 ms   123 ms   113 ms  xe-1-0-0-xcr1.lsw.cw.net [166.63.211.129]
 9    17 ms    15 ms    12 ms  xe-5-1-0-xcr1.lnd.cw.net [195.2.25.133]
10    87 ms    87 ms   102 ms  xe-5-3-0-xcr1.nyk.cw.net [195.2.25.197]
11   102 ms    87 ms   110 ms  198.32.118.45
12    85 ms    91 ms   117 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
13    87 ms    95 ms   103 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
14   112 ms    95 ms    84 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on December 06, 2011, 05:56:42 PM
It's 5:55pm EST and my toon has been walking through [LOCATION REDACTED]. It takes 45 seconds to take a step.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Spoon on December 06, 2011, 05:58:23 PM
It took me five minutes to get a round in at the bar.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: TheBadSeed on December 06, 2011, 06:00:01 PM
Yar, so far, from 5:45 EST onward.. (now 6:P EST)

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Mike>tracert ginka.armageddon.org

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     6 ms     2 ms     2 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    30 ms     9 ms    10 ms  69.253.24.1
  3     9 ms     9 ms     8 ms  te-1-2-ur02.rt202.de.panjde.comcast.net [68.85.1
53.61]
  4     9 ms    10 ms     9 ms  te-8-4-ar02.wallingford.pa.panjde.comcast.net [6
8.86.211.230]
  5    11 ms    10 ms    11 ms  te-0-3-0-5-ar01.newcastle.de.panjde.comcast.net
[68.85.158.245]
  6     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  xe-6-1-0-0-ar03.newcastle.de.panjde.comcast.net
[69.139.193.138]
  7    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  pos-5-12-0-0-cr01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [
68.86.95.137]
  8    15 ms    15 ms    13 ms  pos-0-4-0-0-pe01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [6
8.86.86.146]
  9    14 ms    13 ms    14 ms  xe-5-2-0.er2.iad10.us.above.net [64.125.12.77]
10    16 ms    14 ms    16 ms  xe-5-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.29.77]
11    20 ms    18 ms    24 ms  xe-3-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.110]
12    22 ms    18 ms    21 ms  xe-1-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.166]
13    37 ms    28 ms    18 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
14    19 ms    19 ms    17 ms  edge-08-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.9]
15    17 ms    18 ms    19 ms  openvz3.trouble-free.net [64.20.62.226]
16    17 ms    18 ms    19 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.236]

Trace complete.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on December 06, 2011, 06:01:45 PM
Woah, lucky you.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on December 06, 2011, 06:13:32 PM
We are taking action based on these so far, so now that we have a plan, it may be a better idea to hold off on data til after the move.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evilcabbage on December 06, 2011, 06:15:54 PM
Roger. Even I got to provide a little bit of help!

I feel fuzzy.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 07, 2011, 03:32:34 PM
I haven't been able to connect at all using 206.72.207.140. Is it still port 4050?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on December 07, 2011, 03:34:21 PM
That is correct.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Bacon on December 07, 2011, 03:34:50 PM
So far so good.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on December 07, 2011, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: Booya on December 07, 2011, 03:32:34 PM
I haven't been able to connect at all using 206.72.207.140. Is it still port 4050?


Can you ping it?  Can you telnet it?  Can you traceroute it?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 07, 2011, 03:40:56 PM
tracert 206.72.207.140

Tracing route to 206.72.207.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1     6 ms     1 ms     2 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    23 ms    28 ms    23 ms  10.122.220.1
  3     9 ms     7 ms    37 ms  brig-cam-1b-v109.network.virginmedia.net [80.3.66.201]
  4    12 ms    33 ms    20 ms  brig-core-1b-ge-012-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.182.178.161]
  5    37 ms    40 ms     9 ms  brig-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.162.225]
  6    21 ms    14 ms    57 ms  popl-bb-1b-ae14-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.157]
  7    34 ms    20 ms    15 ms  popl-bb-1a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.174.229]
  8    11 ms    11 ms    22 ms  brnt-bb-1b-as4-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.255.81.238]
  9    28 ms    11 ms    27 ms  brnt-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.50]
10    40 ms    22 ms    12 ms  telc-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.185.74]
11    30 ms    33 ms    30 ms  te1-3.ccr01.lon04.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.15.69]
12    29 ms    36 ms    23 ms  te7-7.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.38.69]
13   104 ms   109 ms   111 ms  te0-2-0-4.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.57.165]
14    97 ms    93 ms    95 ms  te0-2-0-4.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.43.57]
15   111 ms   153 ms   119 ms  te0-0-0-3.ccr22.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.10]
16   133 ms   207 ms   207 ms  te2-3.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.149]
17    98 ms   132 ms   102 ms  te7-2.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.98]
18    89 ms    94 ms    95 ms  vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.20.42.66]
19   108 ms    99 ms   101 ms  38.105.245.50
20     *        *        *     Request timed out.
21     *        *        *     Request timed out.
22     *        *        *     Request timed out.
23     *        *        *     Request timed out.
24     *        *        *     Request timed out.
25     *        *        *     Request timed out.
26     *        *        *     Request timed out.
27     *        *        *     Request timed out.
28     *        *        *     Request timed out.
29     *        *        *     Request timed out.
30     *        *        *     Request timed out.

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on December 07, 2011, 03:52:39 PM
Looks like your trace is way different from mine.  You're getting bogged down by a server I don't hit.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 07, 2011, 04:06:36 PM
What does that mean? Might it be because i'm in England, UK?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on December 07, 2011, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: Booya on December 07, 2011, 04:06:36 PM
What does that mean? Might it be because i'm in England, UK?

Most people will have different traceroutes based on exactly that (different locations means that you go through different connections/different servers to reach your destination).  I am assuming here that perhaps the next hop that you can't reach is another server prior to reaching the VPS host we use.  I could be wrong, though...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Spoon on December 07, 2011, 04:25:42 PM
No connecting for me either, also UK
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Spoon on December 07, 2011, 04:33:25 PM
traceroute 206.72.207.140
traceroute to 206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.174 ms  0.882 ms  0.855 ms
2  10.121.28.1 (10.121.28.1)  9.939 ms  7.995 ms  7.444 ms
3  nrwh-cam-1b-ge92.network.virginmedia.net (81.100.32.129)  18.921 ms  9.421 ms  7.364 ms
4  pete-core-1b-ge-013-0.network.virginmedia.net (195.182.178.217)  12.522 ms  13.165 ms  20.655 ms
5  popl-bb-1b-as6-0.network.virginmedia.net (212.43.163.221)  16.583 ms  20.377 ms  16.931 ms
6  popl-bb-1a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net (213.105.174.229)  17.952 ms  29.247 ms  36.878 ms
7  brnt-bb-1b-as4-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.255.81.238)  27.942 ms  36.509 ms  25.113 ms
8  brnt-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net (213.105.159.50)  20.116 ms  17.422 ms  31.832 ms
9  telc-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.253.185.74)  19.381 ms  19.233 ms  21.394 ms
10  te1-3.ccr01.lon04.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.15.69)  38.427 ms  19.609 ms  20.123 ms
11  te7-7.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.69)  24.942 ms
    te9-7.ccr01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.81)  34.861 ms
    te7-7.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.69)  20.557 ms
12  * te0-0-0-4.mpd21.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.57.102)  95.858 ms
    te0-2-0-4.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.57.165)  98.178 ms
13  te0-6-0-3.mpd21.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.45.229)  94.838 ms
    te0-3-0-4.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.122)  97.470 ms
    te0-3-0-4.ccr21.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.129)  101.187 ms
14  * te2-3.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.145)  94.807 ms
    te9-1.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.1.173)  96.358 ms
15  te2-3.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.149)  99.490 ms
    te3-3.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.1.210)  97.078 ms
    te2-3.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.149)  101.414 ms
16  vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.42.66)  96.804 ms
    te7-2.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.80.98)  96.933 ms
    te7-1.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.80.94)  98.210 ms
17  vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.42.66)  107.226 ms
    vl3607.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.42.62)  97.741 ms
    vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.42.66)  102.444 ms
18  38.105.245.50 (38.105.245.50)  92.946 ms *  93.222 ms
19  * * *
20  * * *
21  * * *
22  * * *
23  * * *
24  * * *
25  * * *
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on December 07, 2011, 04:39:44 PM
My next-to-last hop is 206.72.207.130.  Try to tracert to that.

actually here's my tracert out of FL:


 6    29 ms    29 ms    30 ms  pos3-1.gw3.orl1.alter.net [157.130.86.145]
 7    30 ms    31 ms    30 ms  0.so-2-0-3.xl3.orl4.alter.net [152.63.81.34]
 8    58 ms    59 ms    58 ms  0.xe-8-0-0.xl1.mia19.alter.net [152.63.85.114]
 9    60 ms    58 ms    66 ms  0.xe-10-0-0.br1.mia19.alter.net [152.63.85.82]
10    68 ms    73 ms    72 ms  204.255.168.238
11    53 ms    54 ms    56 ms  ge-1-0-0.mpr1.mia1.us.above.net [64.125.30.193]

12    79 ms    80 ms    98 ms  xe-4-3-0.cr1.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.30.198]
13   114 ms   113 ms   114 ms  xe-2-2-0.cr1.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.98]
14    75 ms    76 ms   102 ms  xe-1-0-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.29.46]
15    75 ms    75 ms    76 ms  xe-1-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.166]
16    89 ms    95 ms    75 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
17    75 ms    76 ms    76 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
18    81 ms    75 ms    76 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
19    76 ms    75 ms    77 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.


Try to hit any of the server addresses between 11 and 19.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 07, 2011, 05:02:07 PM
I didn't try them all from 11, but the ones I tried were fine until your 18th hop:

Tracing route to openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    44 ms    36 ms    30 ms  10.122.220.1
  3     8 ms    29 ms     8 ms  brig-cam-1a-v109.network.virginmedia.net [80.3.66.73]
  4    28 ms     7 ms    16 ms  brig-core-1a-ge-012-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.182.178.157]
  5    10 ms    11 ms    12 ms  brig-core-2a-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.162.221]
  6    13 ms    11 ms    10 ms  glfd-bb-1a-ae6-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.153]
  7    75 ms    37 ms    58 ms  brnt-bb-1b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.163.90]
  8    69 ms    39 ms    32 ms  brnt-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.50]
  9    25 ms    10 ms    18 ms  telc-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.185.74]
10    41 ms    32 ms    32 ms  te1-3.ccr01.lon04.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.15.69]
11    15 ms    12 ms    14 ms  te7-7.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.38.69]
12   106 ms    92 ms   115 ms  te0-1-0-4.ccr22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.57.177]
13    95 ms   113 ms    90 ms  te0-5-0-1.ccr22.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.30.134]
14    93 ms   112 ms    88 ms  te2-3.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.149]
15    91 ms   102 ms   122 ms  te7-2.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.98]
16    92 ms   101 ms    91 ms  vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.20.42.66]
17   196 ms   143 ms   102 ms  38.105.245.50
18     *        *        *     Request timed out.
19     *        *        *     Request timed out.
etc.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Spoon on December 07, 2011, 06:01:18 PM
This is all on mac terminal just in case anyone was wondering about the format:


traceroute 206.72.207.130
traceroute to 206.72.207.130 (206.72.207.130), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.474 ms  0.894 ms  0.836 ms
2  10.121.28.1 (10.121.28.1)  8.930 ms  17.228 ms  11.085 ms
3  nrwh-cam-1b-ge92.network.virginmedia.net (81.100.32.129)  7.737 ms  11.453 ms  9.449 ms
4  pete-core-1b-ge-013-0.network.virginmedia.net (195.182.178.217)  11.497 ms  30.280 ms  28.686 ms
5  popl-bb-1b-as6-0.network.virginmedia.net (212.43.163.221)  16.901 ms  20.538 ms  20.713 ms
6  popl-bb-1a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net (213.105.174.229)  27.455 ms  22.046 ms  17.673 ms
7  brnt-bb-1b-as4-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.255.81.238)  19.438 ms  35.132 ms  19.911 ms
8  brnt-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net (213.105.159.50)  20.561 ms  20.777 ms  98.868 ms
9  telc-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.253.185.74)  47.724 ms  25.558 ms  20.655 ms
10  te1-3.ccr01.lon04.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.15.69)  22.233 ms  25.643 ms  20.478 ms
11  te9-7.ccr01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.81)  32.576 ms
    te7-7.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.69)  40.286 ms
    te9-7.ccr01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.38.81)  37.467 ms
12  te0-0-0-4.ccr21.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.57.110)  102.254 ms
    te0-1-0-4.ccr22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.57.177)  99.715 ms
    te0-0-0-4.ccr21.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.57.110)  98.375 ms
13  te0-1-0-4.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.0.185)  112.147 ms
    te0-0-0-4.ccr21.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.5.161)  98.578 ms
    te0-5-0-1.ccr22.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.30.134)  121.557 ms
14  te9-1.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.40.33)  97.759 ms
    te0-0-0-3.ccr22.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.10)  100.625 ms
    te9-8.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.40.37)  97.676 ms
15  te7-2.mag01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.80.90)  106.714 ms
    te9-8.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.40.37)  106.618 ms
    te2-3.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.145)  99.356 ms
16  te7-2.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.80.98)  99.565 ms
    vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.42.66)  96.032 ms
    vl3607.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.42.62)  97.076 ms
17  vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.20.42.66)  99.658 ms  121.189 ms
    38.105.245.50 (38.105.245.50)  90.930 ms
18  * 38.105.245.50 (38.105.245.50)  99.227 ms  104.904 ms
19  * * *
20  * * *
21  *
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: DustMight on December 07, 2011, 11:50:48 PM
100% loss over here.  Could give ya' a tracert, doubt it will be more helpful than what you've got.
(Vermont, btw)

Ah, here it is:
Tracing route to 206.72.207.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1     2 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.1
  2     1 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  <supersecret>
  3    10 ms     9 ms    10 ms  Springfield-NPEG1-2.vermontel.net [216.66.108.198]
  4    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  vtelinet-216-66-108-206.vermontel.net [216.66.108.206]
  5    10 ms    10 ms     9 ms  vtelinet-216-66-108-10.vermontel.net [216.66.108.10]
  6    14 ms    15 ms    14 ms  vtelinet-216-66-105-18.vermontel.net [216.66.105.18]
  7    15 ms    13 ms    14 ms  te0-6-0-5.ccr21.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.99.222.137]
  8    20 ms    19 ms    19 ms  te0-2-0-1.mpd22.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.44.21]
  9    20 ms    21 ms    20 ms  te3-3.mpd01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.210]
10    20 ms    20 ms    20 ms  te7-1.mag01.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.86]
11    21 ms    20 ms    22 ms  vl3607.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.20.42.62]
12    20 ms    20 ms    19 ms 38.105.245.50
13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
14     *        *        *     Request timed out.
15     *        *        *     Request timed out.
16     *

Same server as Spoon.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: solera on December 08, 2011, 12:23:55 AM





Tracing route to 206.72.207.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

 

  3     *     1167 ms  1220 ms  mdr-fid-int.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.37.
244.222]
  4    43 ms    43 ms    44 ms  ae4-10.akbr5.global-gateway.net.nz [202.37.244.2
21]
  5    43 ms    44 ms    43 ms  ae1-2.akbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.77
]
  6    44 ms    43 ms    44 ms  ae1-10.tkbr9.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.3
7]
  7   170 ms   168 ms   168 ms  ae2-3.labr5.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.14
2]
  8   170 ms   167 ms   199 ms  ae0-3.lebr6.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.86
]
  9   170 ms   168 ms   168 ms  205.158.79.141.ptr.us.xo.net [205.158.79.141]
10   168 ms   199 ms   167 ms  te1-0-0d0.cir1.la3-ca.us.xo.net [207.88.15.29]
11   173 ms   223 ms   170 ms  207.88.14.217.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.217]
12   242 ms   243 ms   248 ms  vb15.rar3.dallas-tx.us.xo.net [207.88.12.45]
13   281 ms   276 ms   251 ms  te-4-0-0.rar3.atlanta-ga.us.xo.net [207.88.12.1]

14   248 ms   252 ms   251 ms  te-11-0-0.rar3.washington-dc.us.xo.net [207.88.1
2.10]
15   240 ms   262 ms   240 ms  ae0d0.mcr1.newark-nj.us.xo.net [216.156.0.22]
16   241 ms   240 ms   241 ms  ae1d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net [216.156.1.9]
17   240 ms   239 ms   238 ms  207.239.51.86
18   239 ms   238 ms   239 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
19   241 ms   270 ms   238 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
20   239 ms   238 ms   238 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.

Well this looks like it's getting there?
But I'm not...

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on December 08, 2011, 05:48:08 AM
traceroute to 206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  unknown (192.168.1.1)  13.047 ms  14.064 ms  14.045 ms
2  10.229.64.1 (10.229.64.1)  40.562 ms  40.562 ms  40.542 ms
3  network-024-029-002-149.cinci.rr.com (24.29.2.149)  40.523 ms  40.504 ms  40.539 ms
4  tge8-1-1.tr00.clmkohpe.mwrtn.rr.com (65.25.137.225)  40.517 ms  40.505 ms  40.486 ms
5  ae-4-0.cr0.chi30.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.68)  51.348 ms  51.335 ms  51.313 ms
6  107.14.17.147 (107.14.17.147)  51.292 ms ae-1-0.pr0.chi10.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.155)  51.709 ms  73.888 ms
7  216.156.72.157.ptr.us.xo.net (216.156.72.157)  73.822 ms 216.156.72.133.ptr.us.xo.net (216.156.72.133)  99.321 ms  99.314 ms
8  207.88.14.201.ptr.us.xo.net (207.88.14.201)  73.799 ms  74.891 ms  74.873 ms
9  ae0d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net (216.156.0.18)  73.719 ms  73.702 ms  73.737 ms
10  207.239.51.86 (207.239.51.86)  99.158 ms  77.086 ms  77.063 ms
11  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  77.057 ms  77.021 ms  77.016 ms
12  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  72.117 ms  72.160 ms  72.018 ms
13  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  72.033 ms !X  72.029 ms !X  72.101 ms !X


Same thing?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on December 08, 2011, 08:33:14 AM
DNS is working for me now.

What happens when you try to connect, and what client are you trying to connect with?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 08, 2011, 09:09:53 AM
Tried to connect with Mushclient, doesn't work. I could connect through this though: http://www.mudconnect.com/fmud/ (http://www.mudconnect.com/fmud/)

Also can't access the homepage. DNS is ginka.armageddon.org right?

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.207.140]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     3 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2     6 ms     7 ms    19 ms  10.122.220.1
  3     8 ms     8 ms     8 ms  brig-cam-1b-v109.network.virginmedia.net [80.3.66.201]
  4    23 ms    13 ms    10 ms  brig-core-1b-ge-012-0.network.virginmedia.net[195.182.178.161]
  5     7 ms     9 ms     9 ms  brig-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.162.225]
  6    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  popl-bb-1b-ae14-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.157]
  7    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  popl-bb-1a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.174.229]
  8    11 ms    15 ms    11 ms  brnt-bb-1b-as4-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.255.81.238]
  9    35 ms    11 ms    11 ms  brnt-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.50]
10    24 ms    12 ms    12 ms  telc-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.185.74]
11    11 ms    12 ms    13 ms  te1-3.ccr01.lon04.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.15.69]
12    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  te7-7.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.38.69]
13    89 ms   105 ms    88 ms  te0-2-0-4.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.57.165]
14    89 ms    88 ms    89 ms  te0-2-0-4.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.43.57]
15   100 ms   102 ms    98 ms  te0-0-0-3.ccr22.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.10]
16   108 ms    91 ms    89 ms  te2-3.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.149]
17    93 ms    96 ms    91 ms  te7-2.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.98]
18    90 ms    90 ms   106 ms  vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.20.42.66]
19    87 ms    99 ms    92 ms  38.105.245.50
20     *        *        *     Request timed out.
21     *        *        *     Request timed out.
etc.

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: DustMight on December 08, 2011, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: Booya on December 08, 2011, 09:09:53 AM
...stuff...

Same here.  Exactly, down to the IP where everything is dying.

Update at 0903 EST - unable to connect via mudconnector now also.  Poor character is link dead! 
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on December 08, 2011, 09:36:08 AM
We are engaging in discussion with the ISP that is having issues routing to our new IP.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: DustMight on December 08, 2011, 01:11:30 PM
Getting 100% pings back here in VT.  FYI.
Morg and team - you are all great.  Considering, especially, you are working for free!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on December 08, 2011, 01:51:32 PM
Yup, working for me now too  :)

Here's a tracert just for the hell of it:

Tracing route to 206.72.207.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1     3 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2     7 ms     8 ms    41 ms  10.122.220.1
  3     9 ms    27 ms    18 ms  brig-cam-1b-v109.network.virginmedia.net [80.3.66.201]
  4    38 ms    23 ms     7 ms  brig-core-1b-ge-012-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.182.178.161]
  5    38 ms    11 ms    19 ms  brig-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [212.43.162.225]
  6    37 ms    11 ms    12 ms  popl-bb-1b-ae14-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.157]
  7    90 ms    10 ms    29 ms  popl-bb-1a-ae0-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.174.229]
  8    15 ms    15 ms    51 ms  brnt-bb-1b-as4-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.255.81.238]
  9    38 ms    11 ms    11 ms  brnt-tmr-1-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net [213.105.159.50]
10    37 ms    13 ms    35 ms  telc-ic-1-as0-0.network.virginmedia.net [62.253.185.74]
11    33 ms    21 ms    13 ms  te1-3.ccr01.lon04.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.15.69]
12     *       34 ms    14 ms  te7-7.mpd02.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.38.69]
13    89 ms    90 ms    90 ms  te0-2-0-4.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.57.165]
14    90 ms    91 ms    95 ms  te0-2-0-4.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.43.57]
15   102 ms   100 ms   122 ms  te0-0-0-3.ccr22.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.10]
16    94 ms   102 ms   106 ms  te2-3.ccr02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.149]
17   111 ms    96 ms    92 ms  te7-2.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.98]
18   106 ms   110 ms   103 ms  vl3907.na31.b017536-1.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.20.42.66]
19   101 ms    87 ms   111 ms  38.105.245.50
20    99 ms   113 ms    91 ms  vl569.cr2.teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.181]
21   100 ms    89 ms    93 ms  64.20.32.8
22    93 ms    86 ms    90 ms  vl521.cr1.teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.1]
23   100 ms    86 ms    87 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
24    95 ms    97 ms    87 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
25    87 ms   108 ms    95 ms  206.72.207.140

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on December 08, 2011, 02:23:17 PM
Our provider has fixed the issue.  Thank you ALL for your willingness to help sort this out.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kismetic on December 08, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/263452/thumbs/s-BILL-AND-TED-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on December 08, 2011, 07:36:28 PM
Quote from: Nyr on December 08, 2011, 08:33:14 AM
DNS is working for me now.

What happens when you try to connect, and what client are you trying to connect with?

KildClient and hitting a performing a SSL handshake.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on December 09, 2011, 08:26:12 AM
I can connect with Mudlet, but not with KClient.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Zoltan on December 09, 2011, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Barsook on December 08, 2011, 07:36:28 PM
Quote from: Nyr on December 08, 2011, 08:33:14 AM
DNS is working for me now.

What happens when you try to connect, and what client are you trying to connect with?

KildClient and hitting a performing a SSL handshake.

Your telnet client is trying to work over SSL?  ???
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on December 09, 2011, 09:39:35 AM
Dunno, I think that's how KClient is programed.

(To staff: I think this bit of topic needs to be split and made into another in Ask the Players -B)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on December 09, 2011, 01:50:51 PM
Arm 1 does not work with SSL.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on December 09, 2011, 01:54:32 PM
I figured.  I dunno what's the problem.  I just switched to Mudlet and I will stay on that one.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on February 20, 2012, 11:15:00 PM
If you're having lag, remember. Metrics.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Yam on February 20, 2012, 11:28:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/nEmbg.jpg)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on March 11, 2012, 02:24:10 PM
Having a lag / timeout connection at 2:22 pm EST

What she said below me!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Janna on March 11, 2012, 02:26:45 PM
What Jeshin said, only at 2:22pm EST with the clocks ahead.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on June 12, 2012, 05:53:26 AM
Quote from: Jeshin on November 17, 2011, 09:00:31 AM
After Wedi's post and Nyr's reply this is the official. Unbearable lag thread. Whenever encountered with what you consider to be game affecting lag or an unintentional DC please include the following

1) PST/EST/GMT of the event or just say at the time of posting
2) IG time - early morning etc etc
3) On a scale of 1-10 how bad the lag is. 1 being one or two seconds sporadically, 5 being several seconds over a long peiod, and 10 being a full disconnect [not by the server].

We can fight lag, with data!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: hyzhenhok on June 12, 2012, 06:01:29 AM
Started around or before 5:20 AM EST. Problem persists; it's 6:00 AM now and still going.
It was Dawn or Early Morning when it started. Dusk at the time of this post, and the lag continues.
On a scale of 1-10: 9. 5+ minutes to return output from commands, though no disconnect.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Cind on June 12, 2012, 06:13:14 AM
Output from commands has just gotten noticeably faster but its nothing to rp with. about a forty seconds to ninety to get commands returned, maybe?

Edit: Its like 6:14 now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2012, 08:16:37 AM
Does anyone have any actual metrics like traceroutes or ping results that back this up?  That would be helpful!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 12, 2012, 08:30:55 AM
traceroute to 206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  unknown (192.168.1.1)  1.983 ms  1.976 ms  2.399 ms
2  10.169.64.1 (10.169.64.1)  17.962 ms  18.006 ms  18.313 ms
3  ae0-1030.cr02.dytnoh55.swo.rr.com (184.59.244.114)  22.261 ms  22.241 ms  22.632 ms
4  ae1.tr00.clevohek.mwrtn.rr.com (65.189.140.130)  29.997 ms  30.047 ms ae0.tr00.clevohek.mwrtn.rr.com (65.189.140.144)  30.451 ms
5  ae-3-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.70)  43.516 ms 107.14.19.58 (107.14.19.58)  42.123 ms ae10-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com (107.14.19.14)  38.221 ms
6  107.14.19.135 (107.14.19.135)  38.842 ms  31.607 ms  31.194 ms
7  3-3.r1.dc.hwng.net (69.16.190.113)  59.513 ms  36.204 ms  36.217 ms
8  e1-4.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.34)  53.645 ms e4-2.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.42)  36.201 ms e1-4.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.34)  53.886 ms
9  209.197.17.198 (209.197.17.198)  54.185 ms  53.841 ms  54.538 ms
10  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  54.916 ms  36.775 ms  54.873 ms
11  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  54.048 ms  40.750 ms  40.652 ms
12  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  41.135 ms !X  41.513 ms !X  57.433 ms !X

What does !X stand for for traceroute on Linux?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 12, 2012, 08:36:31 AM
Uh, I'm going to go out on a limb (and talk out my ass) and assume it's the same as an asterisks on DOS.

Packet loss.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2012, 08:47:53 AM
Quote from: Barsook on June 12, 2012, 08:30:55 AM
traceroute to 206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  unknown (192.168.1.1)  1.983 ms  1.976 ms  2.399 ms
2  10.169.64.1 (10.169.64.1)  17.962 ms  18.006 ms  18.313 ms
3  ae0-1030.cr02.dytnoh55.swo.rr.com (184.59.244.114)  22.261 ms  22.241 ms  22.632 ms
4  ae1.tr00.clevohek.mwrtn.rr.com (65.189.140.130)  29.997 ms  30.047 ms ae0.tr00.clevohek.mwrtn.rr.com (65.189.140.144)  30.451 ms
5  ae-3-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.70)  43.516 ms 107.14.19.58 (107.14.19.58)  42.123 ms ae10-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com (107.14.19.14)  38.221 ms
6  107.14.19.135 (107.14.19.135)  38.842 ms  31.607 ms  31.194 ms
7  3-3.r1.dc.hwng.net (69.16.190.113)  59.513 ms  36.204 ms  36.217 ms
8  e1-4.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.34)  53.645 ms e4-2.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.42)  36.201 ms e1-4.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.34)  53.886 ms
9  209.197.17.198 (209.197.17.198)  54.185 ms  53.841 ms  54.538 ms
10  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  54.916 ms  36.775 ms  54.873 ms
11  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  54.048 ms  40.750 ms  40.652 ms
12  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  41.135 ms !X  41.513 ms !X  57.433 ms !X

What does !X stand for for traceroute on Linux?

but it's not lagging now I assume?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 12, 2012, 08:49:20 AM
It's fine now, and my tracert looks normal.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 12, 2012, 09:16:25 AM
It's fine.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2012, 09:21:06 AM
I checked back to the times folks were posting in this thread this morning.  There was definitely some strange stuff going on, but it is above my head.  We will let you know once we have more information.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 12, 2012, 09:32:48 AM
Quote from: Nyr on June 12, 2012, 09:21:06 AM
There was definitely some strange stuff going on

(http://orokos.com/odam/gremlins/511161.jpg)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on June 12, 2012, 10:49:28 AM
Please continue to post here when you notice it, and use the 'traceroute ginka.armageddon.org' command with it so that we can verify if it is a network problem.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on June 12, 2012, 11:46:27 AM
My roommate says there is a big lag going on right now, 8:45 pst.


Tracing route to 206.72.207.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ptld-dsl-gw44-236.ptld.qwest.net [207.225.84.236
]
  3    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ptld-agw1.inet.qwest.net [207.225.86.89]
  4    43 ms    43 ms    43 ms  sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [67.14.41.18]
  5    44 ms    44 ms    44 ms  63.146.26.82
  6    44 ms    44 ms    45 ms  xe-0-0-0.mpr2.sea1.us.above.net [64.125.31.10]
  7    98 ms    98 ms    98 ms  xe-1-2-0.cr2.ord2.us.above.net [64.125.31.2]
  8   121 ms   121 ms   122 ms  xe-4-0-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.31.73]
  9   120 ms   121 ms   128 ms  xe-0-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.27.65]
10   121 ms   121 ms   121 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
11   122 ms   121 ms   121 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
12   121 ms   123 ms   123 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
13   121 ms   121 ms   122 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2012, 11:57:50 AM
I've been actively chatting on the game port with another staffer.  Haven't seen any lag here.  Can you be more specific?  Big lag?  What happened?  How long?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Dakota on June 12, 2012, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: Nyr on June 12, 2012, 11:57:50 AM
I've been actively chatting on the game port with another staffer.  Haven't seen any lag here.  Can you be more specific?  Big lag?  What happened?  How long?

Has happened 2 times over the last few days.

Game runs fine. Then at around 11am GMT +1, it slows to a crawl. Slow meaning.. You can look. But can't do actions (unless you want for about 30+ seconds). Disconnect from the game. Try to reconnect. Mud prompt says "connected" then hangs before the entry screen of arm shows up. Hangs for.. minutes usually before you get in.

This lasts for about 1-2 hours it seems.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on June 12, 2012, 12:14:12 PM
I log in and it seems from my end its evened out, he said that about an hour ago he was lagging between 1 min and two.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2012, 12:16:49 PM
To clarify, I didn't mean in general, I was responding to Potaje's post referring to lag just now.

When it happens again please have the other person do the ping/tracert, since it didn't seem to show anything when you did it.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on June 12, 2012, 12:19:45 PM
Quote from: Nyr on June 12, 2012, 12:16:49 PM
To clarify, I didn't mean in general, I was responding to Potaje's post referring to lag just now.

When it happens again please have the other person do the ping/tracert, since it didn't seem to show anything when you did it.

Will do, thank you.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 13, 2012, 10:06:52 AM
Getting lag spikes. Probably my internet even though my traceroute seems fine. Because the forums got a lag spike too.


Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Rogue Gunslinger>tracert armageddon.org

Tracing route to armageddon.org [206.72.207.140]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1     1 ms     2 ms     2 ms  192.168.0.1
 2    42 ms    43 ms    42 ms  phnx-dsl-gw66.phnx.qwest.net [67.40.227.66]
 3    43 ms    42 ms    44 ms  phnx-agw1.inet.qwest.net [75.160.238.9]
 4    54 ms    54 ms    55 ms  lap-brdr-03.inet.qwest.net [67.14.22.78]
 5    54 ms    55 ms    54 ms  xe-0-1-0.mpr1.lax12.us.above.net [64.125.12.25]

 6    82 ms    54 ms    57 ms  xe-3-0-0.cr2.lax112.us.above.net [64.125.30.29]

 7    82 ms    82 ms    81 ms  xe-2-3-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.25.17]
 8   138 ms   122 ms   114 ms  xe-3-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.30.54]
 9   116 ms   115 ms   116 ms  xe-2-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.106]
10   115 ms   115 ms   115 ms  xe-0-2-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.30.210]
11   115 ms   116 ms   115 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
12   116 ms   116 ms   116 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
13   116 ms   116 ms   116 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
14   116 ms   116 ms   116 ms  206.72.207.140
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: JustAnotherGuy on June 13, 2012, 11:17:56 AM
I've been getting some too, but didn't get any tracerts.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on June 14, 2012, 07:05:43 PM
hitting some lag spikes.


Tracing route to 206.72.207.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ptld-dsl-gw44-236.ptld.qwest.net [207.225.84.236
]
  3    39 ms    40 ms    39 ms  ptld-agw1.inet.qwest.net [207.225.86.89]
  4    42 ms    77 ms    43 ms  sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [67.14.41.18]
  5    43 ms    43 ms    43 ms  63.146.26.82
  6    44 ms    44 ms    44 ms  xe-1-0-0.mpr2.sea1.us.above.net [64.125.31.14]
  7    98 ms    98 ms    98 ms  xe-1-2-0.cr2.ord2.us.above.net [64.125.31.2]
  8   120 ms   121 ms   121 ms  xe-4-0-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.31.73]
  9   121 ms   120 ms   120 ms  xe-0-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.27.65]
10   317 ms   125 ms   189 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
11   122 ms   121 ms   120 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
12   122 ms   122 ms   122 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
13   121 ms   121 ms   122 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: titansfan on June 14, 2012, 07:05:56 PM
Its just horrid right now. I can't even reconnect.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 14, 2012, 07:10:27 PM
Same:

 1     5 ms     5 ms     7 ms  192.168.1.1
 2     8 ms    11 ms    11 ms  10.123.32.1
 3    13 ms    11 ms    12 ms  ten0-1-0-7.orld14-ser2.bhn.net [72.31.194.40]
 4    20 ms    23 ms    22 ms  ten0-11-0-4.orld71-car2.bhn.net [97.69.193.190]
 5    18 ms    16 ms    15 ms  hun0-7-0-0.orld71-cbr3.bhn.net [72.31.193.24]
 6    23 ms    35 ms    24 ms  ae-4-11.cr1.atl20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.10.14]
 7    39 ms    39 ms    48 ms  107.14.19.36
 8    42 ms    47 ms    55 ms  ae-4-0.cr0.dca10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.33]
 9    68 ms    39 ms    48 ms  107.14.19.133
10    38 ms    44 ms    37 ms  3-3.r1.dc.hwng.net [69.16.190.113]
11    61 ms    68 ms    64 ms  e1-4.r1.ny.hwng.net [209.197.0.34]
12    61 ms    60 ms    73 ms  209.197.17.198
13    72 ms    79 ms    59 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
14    68 ms    66 ms    70 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
15    67 ms    60 ms    58 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.


Looks like uh... nothing's wrong with the trace. Gremlins in the pipes somewhere deeper, me thinks.

Edit: On the plus side, now we can all figure out what cities we all live in based on our traces. Whee.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on June 14, 2012, 07:15:27 PM
Lagspike atm.

The request tool seemed a bit laggy too.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: maxid on June 14, 2012, 07:52:19 PM
The lag is fighting back  Ohgod!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Medena on June 14, 2012, 07:54:29 PM
3 or 4 minute delays on commands going through


Tracing route to 206.72.207.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1     8 ms    21 ms     7 ms  xx.x.xxx.xx
  2    11 ms    11 ms    14 ms  rd1cv-ge3-3-1.gv.shawcable.net [64.59.166.114]
  3    12 ms    15 ms    16 ms  66.163.78.90
  4    29 ms    27 ms    27 ms  66.163.78.174
  5    26 ms    26 ms    27 ms  rc2ar-ge9-2.ed.shawcable.net [66.163.70.9]
  6    49 ms    56 ms    48 ms  66.163.78.138
  7    69 ms    76 ms    69 ms  rc1sh-pos13-0.mt.shawcable.net [66.163.76.73]
  8    80 ms    94 ms    88 ms  rc1hu-pos1-0.ny.shawcable.net [66.163.76.14]
  9    81 ms    77 ms    82 ms  rd1ny-ge5-0-0.ny.shawcable.net [66.163.74.21]
10   150 ms   212 ms   199 ms  198.32.118.45
11    81 ms    77 ms    82 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
12    88 ms   108 ms    94 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
13    92 ms    81 ms    80 ms  206.72.207.140
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: titansfan on June 14, 2012, 07:58:17 PM
This is what the King's Age brings! I say BLAH to it then!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: jstorrie on June 14, 2012, 08:10:22 PM
In the grim darkness of the present... there is only lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 14, 2012, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: jstorrie on June 14, 2012, 08:10:22 PM
In the grim darkness of the present... there is only lag.

+1 for the reference.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: shadeoux on June 14, 2012, 08:15:43 PM
Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.207.140]
over a maximum of 30 hops:


 5    17 ms    31 ms    19 ms  12.249.212.21
 6    18 ms    19 ms    19 ms  cr1.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.99.22]
 7    20 ms    12 ms    19 ms  cgcil02jt.ip.att.net [12.122.81.17]
 8    13 ms    17 ms    19 ms  192.205.36.30
 9    13 ms    15 ms    14 ms  xe-1-3-0.cr2.ord2.us.above.net [64.125.30.146]
10   301 ms   234 ms   193 ms  xe-4-0-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.31.73]
11   180 ms    90 ms    36 ms  xe-0-2-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.30.210]
12    40 ms    38 ms    37 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
13    40 ms    54 ms    42 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
14    48 ms    37 ms    50 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
15    35 ms    44 ms    37 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: jstorrie on June 14, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
traceroute to ginka.armageddon.org (206.72.207.140), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1  192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254)  1.758 ms  8.149 ms  1.638 ms
2  d66-183-96-254.bchsia.telus.net (66.183.96.254)  18.148 ms  18.068 ms  9.087 ms
3  173.182.196.1 (173.182.196.1)  9.042 ms  26.282 ms  18.447 ms
4  vancbc01gr01.bb.telus.com (154.11.10.10)  18.977 ms  14.929 ms  12.122 ms
5  205.185.218.69 (205.185.218.69)  11.191 ms  14.831 ms  23.443 ms
6  unknown.hwng.net (209.197.0.249)  94.162 ms  89.995 ms  97.211 ms
7  unknown.hwng.net (209.197.0.38)  122.503 ms  123.367 ms  123.136 ms
8  209.197.17.198 (209.197.17.198)  77.473 ms  83.457 ms  78.888 ms
9  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  79.209 ms
    209.197.17.198 (209.197.17.198)  85.553 ms  91.150 ms
10  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  83.287 ms  85.559 ms  82.648 ms
11  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  88.370 ms  85.054 ms  83.717 ms
12  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  83.289 ms !Z  91.992 ms !Z  76.097 ms !Z


traceroute to ginka.armageddon.org (206.72.207.140), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1  192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254)  1.758 ms  8.149 ms  1.638 ms
2  d66-183-96-254.bchsia.telus.net (66.183.96.254)  18.148 ms  18.068 ms  9.087 ms
3  173.182.196.1 (173.182.196.1)  9.042 ms  26.282 ms  18.447 ms
4  vancbc01gr01.bb.telus.com (154.11.10.10)  18.977 ms  14.929 ms  12.122 ms
5  205.185.218.69 (205.185.218.69)  11.191 ms  14.831 ms  23.443 ms
6  unknown.hwng.net (209.197.0.249)  94.162 ms  89.995 ms  97.211 ms
7  unknown.hwng.net (209.197.0.38)  122.503 ms  123.367 ms  123.136 ms
8  209.197.17.198 (209.197.17.198)  77.473 ms  83.457 ms  78.888 ms
9  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  79.209 ms
    209.197.17.198 (209.197.17.198)  85.553 ms  91.150 ms
10  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  83.287 ms  85.559 ms  82.648 ms
11  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  88.370 ms  85.054 ms  83.717 ms
12  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  83.289 ms !Z  91.992 ms !Z  76.097 ms !Z


Experiencing heavy lag in-game.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Is Friday on June 14, 2012, 08:23:24 PM
Tracing route to armageddon.org over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
 2    36 ms    31 ms    25 ms  mta-76-176-48-1.san.rr.com [76.176.48.1]
 3     8 ms     8 ms    10 ms  76.166.18.165
 4    37 ms    15 ms    15 ms  tge0-8-0-3.sndhcaax-ccr02.socal.rr.com [72.129.1
.48]
 5    21 ms    23 ms    22 ms  agg22.tustca1-rtr1.socal.rr.com [72.129.1.2]
 6    16 ms    13 ms    15 ms  107.14.19.30
 7    85 ms    81 ms    87 ms  ae-5-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.3]
 8    79 ms    78 ms    78 ms  ae-1-0.pr0.dca10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.165]
 9    79 ms    79 ms    78 ms  3-3.r1.dc.hwng.net [69.16.190.113]
10   102 ms   111 ms   103 ms  e1-4.r1.ny.hwng.net [209.197.0.34]
11   102 ms   101 ms   118 ms  209.197.17.198
12   100 ms   102 ms   118 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
13   104 ms   101 ms   101 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
14   101 ms   102 ms   103 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.

C:\>
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: A Large Bag on June 14, 2012, 08:28:43 PM
Tracing route to 206.72.207.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

 1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
 2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 3     9 ms     9 ms     8 ms  klsmt001hb6-GE-0-0-0-U144.int.bresnan.net [69.144.26.145]
 4    12 ms    11 ms    12 ms  host-72-175-111-98.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net [72.175.111.98]
 5    14 ms    11 ms    12 ms  mslmt001cr5-GE-3-0-0-U0.int.bresnan.net [72.175.110.5]
 6    28 ms    26 ms    25 ms  klsmt002hb6-SO-0-3-1-U0.int.bresnan.net [69.144.26.2]
 7    27 ms    25 ms    25 ms  blnmtdc1dr5-GE-4-0-3-U0.int.bresnan.net [72.175.110.68]
 8    26 ms    28 ms    28 ms  sesix.r1.se.hwng.net [206.81.80.194]
 9    79 ms    80 ms    84 ms  unknown.hwng.net [209.197.0.249]
10   110 ms   116 ms   112 ms  unknown.hwng.net [209.197.0.38]
11   112 ms   119 ms   124 ms  2-3.r1.ny.hwng.net [69.16.191.93]
12   114 ms   128 ms   115 ms  209.197.17.198
13   113 ms   112 ms   114 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
14   114 ms   114 ms   114 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
15   113 ms   112 ms   114 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.

Lagging just trying to pick selections on the log in screen really bad. Best not to log in at all.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: titansfan on June 14, 2012, 09:33:39 PM
How long does it take to fix this kind of thing? I'm not hurrying, I'm just curious...I don't know a whole lot about how the server works and stuffz.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: shadeoux on June 14, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
My guess would be a reboot of the server would resolve the issue maybe. But maybe not, it really depends on whats causing the issue. Looks like Local Host though from my estimations. I'd laugh if a virus scan is running now though.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Lizzie on June 14, 2012, 09:51:48 PM
It really really depends on what's wrong. If it's the machine, then it needs someone to reboot it. That means someone at the building where the host server is, needs to be made aware that it's a problem, and needs to be available to do something about it.

If it's not the machine, then it could be the building where the server is hosted (I remember the staff saying it's a virtual machine now - but even so, a virtual machine has to have some link to a real machine, somewhere.) Or it could be a router at a central office in the same town where the virtual server is hosted. Or it could be a satellite dish on the fritz. Or aliens.

In summary, and to reiterate, it depends on what's wrong. Anywhere from "within an hour" to "Arm is broken, thanks for playing, look forward to Halo 4 coming in November." Likely it'll be somewhere between the two.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: titansfan on June 14, 2012, 09:58:36 PM
Lets start killing some aliens! Those bastards are finally trying to get at us.....working from our deepest fears.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kebron on June 14, 2012, 10:18:30 PM
1) EST 10:17
2) high sun on cingel the 4th day of the descending sun year 1 of the 22nd age
3) 9, it hasn't booted me yet but it was nearly impossible to connect and I'm experiancing up to a full 30 seconds of lag per command. [not by the server].
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: jstorrie on June 14, 2012, 10:40:00 PM
Geez, this game is broken.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Lithium on June 14, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Here I was about to log in..            :-[
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on June 14, 2012, 10:54:13 PM
I'm going to try rebooting, please stop trying to log in until I post.  If I can't get it to clear nicely, I may have to bring it down hard.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Delusion on June 14, 2012, 10:56:24 PM
Quote from: Morgenes on June 14, 2012, 10:54:13 PM
I'm going to try rebooting, please stop trying to log in until I post.  If I can't get it to clear nicely, I may have to bring it down hard.
I got on when it had quickened up for a bit, and now I can't get out again. Sorry Morgenes.  :(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on June 14, 2012, 11:30:20 PM
Note that we are back up, but even after completely rebooting our entire server, it doesn't seem to have done anything.  I'm opening a trouble ticket with our host to see if they can see/do anything about it.

I apologize, but you may want to find something else to do if you can't handle the lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on June 14, 2012, 11:37:41 PM
actually, it seems to be working fine atm.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Is Friday on June 14, 2012, 11:41:07 PM
Minor blips but it's fairly quick.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on June 15, 2012, 01:34:37 AM
Lag.

Thu Jun 14 23:33:30 MDT 2012

traceroute to ginka.armageddon.org (206.72.207.140), 64 hops max, 4050 byte packets
1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  2.442 ms  2.498 ms  3.078 ms
2  76.120.80.1 (76.120.80.1)  50.122 ms  62.185 ms  180.416 ms
3  te-7-4-ur03.arvada.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.129.225)  15.444 ms  13.337 ms  19.263 ms
4  te-0-6-0-6-ar02.denver.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.179.57)  20.608 ms  43.957 ms  19.151 ms
5  pos-0-1-0-0-ar02.aurora.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.128.242)  21.679 ms  22.701 ms  39.260 ms
6  pos-3-6-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.91.1)  22.567 ms  22.386 ms  33.099 ms
7  pos-2-7-0-0-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.54)  35.761 ms  49.735 ms  37.819 ms
8  pos-0-4-0-0-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.87.218)  34.720 ms  54.234 ms  35.889 ms
9  xe-5-1-0.er1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.13.185)  51.417 ms  55.835 ms  31.911 ms
10  xe-3-1-0.cr1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.30.82)  31.540 ms  35.751 ms  34.299 ms
11  xe-2-1-0.cr1.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.30.57)  41.602 ms  39.131 ms  65.552 ms
12  xe-1-0-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.30.70)  58.950 ms  60.535 ms  38.275 ms
13  * xe-3-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.30.54)  88.632 ms  99.533 ms
14  xe-3-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.26.110)  70.831 ms  86.823 ms  92.413 ms
15  xe-1-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.26.166)  74.261 ms  70.761 ms  73.413 ms
16  64.124.44.213.interserver.com (64.124.44.213)  87.983 ms  68.689 ms  69.786 ms
17  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  66.960 ms  105.756 ms  90.896 ms
18  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  68.333 ms  71.451 ms  70.086 ms
19  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  74.633 ms !Z  70.633 ms !Z  69.548 ms !Z
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nehoc on June 15, 2012, 01:35:21 AM
*shaking a fist* dang lag!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: jstorrie on June 15, 2012, 01:38:05 AM
Oh, it's back with a vengeance!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: titansfan on June 15, 2012, 01:38:25 AM
It's those focking aliens again! Git 'um, git 'um!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 15, 2012, 01:39:51 AM
it is 1:38 AM EST right now, and it is currently taking me minutes to send an emote. I have just tried reconnecting and am now sitting here staring at the screen as it struggles to connect to host.

Anyone else? Or is this me?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: jstorrie on June 15, 2012, 01:40:25 AM
Everyone else, Karleith.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on June 15, 2012, 01:46:18 AM
Yup, I'm just trying to get in so I can quit out and not get eaten for my bootz. I just want to go to sleep.  >:(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Akaramu on June 15, 2012, 01:54:47 AM
Kind of wish we'd get a server reboot so the people who need to quit can do so without needing to fear getting pwned while linkdead.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 15, 2012, 02:04:33 AM
Not to be ignorant, but uh... I don't see anyone with the sole exception of A Large Bag dropping packets enroute to the server, and she dropped her packets on the second hip-hop (the hippie the hippie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUqvPJ3cbUQ&feature=related)). There's no one even showing any major upticks in ping between hops that would imply a connectivity issue.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I'm translating that information is that there's no issue with the routes we're hitting the server at (IE, the host).

Are we sure there aren't like.... 30,000 carru in one room somewhere?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Gunnerblaster on June 15, 2012, 02:06:23 AM
Quote from: Akaramu on June 15, 2012, 01:54:47 AM
Kind of wish we'd get a server reboot so the people who need to quit can do so without needing to fear getting pwned while linkdead.

Quote from: Morgenes on June 14, 2012, 11:30:20 PM
Note that we are back up, but even after completely rebooting our entire server, it doesn't seem to have done anything.  I'm opening a trouble ticket with our host to see if they can see/do anything about it.

I apologize, but you may want to find something else to do if you can't handle the lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Akaramu on June 15, 2012, 02:11:05 AM
Quote from: Gunnerblaster on June 15, 2012, 02:06:23 AM
Quote from: Akaramu on June 15, 2012, 01:54:47 AM
Kind of wish we'd get a server reboot so the people who need to quit can do so without needing to fear getting pwned while linkdead.

Quote from: Morgenes on June 14, 2012, 11:30:20 PM
Note that we are back up, but even after completely rebooting our entire server, it doesn't seem to have done anything.  I'm opening a trouble ticket with our host to see if they can see/do anything about it.

I apologize, but you may want to find something else to do if you can't handle the lag.

I don't care if the lag persists after the reboot, I just want to be able to leave the house without my character dying of hunger and thirst in the meantime.  :'(

Just to be logged out of the game yanno?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Gunnerblaster on June 15, 2012, 02:23:41 AM
Well, if I remember correctly - Staff set it up to where if a PC is idle/disconnected/etc. for over a certain period of time - They'll stop getting hungry/thirsty.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 15, 2012, 02:25:03 AM
When was that? Must of been in the last two months or so.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Akaramu on June 15, 2012, 02:25:40 AM
Not sure that works with me trying to reconnect every minute.  :-\
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Eurynomos on June 15, 2012, 02:30:10 AM
Take a deep breath, relax, go read a book and do something else while the problem's figured out. Your PC will be fine, and we'll figure out what's up.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 15, 2012, 02:35:07 AM
Quote from: Namino on June 15, 2012, 02:04:33 AM
Are we sure there aren't like.... 30,000 carru in one room somewhere?

There's a huge Gith Orgy going on off the shield wall. Sorry you weren't invited but you're welcome to show up.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Cind on June 15, 2012, 02:38:15 AM
Nevermind. I feel a little stupid now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on June 15, 2012, 02:40:09 AM
There's a myriad of stuff that could be causing the issue. Anything from a runaway script, memory leaks, or some rogue process. That would be server side and something the staff could address directly once they understood the issue causing it. Then we have stuff that the staff can't fix like an issue with the hardware which is hosting the virtual server, latency between users and server via hops, and the virtual server provider/source having their own difficulties.

It kind of feels like it might be a memory leak issue or something, but with a game as old as Armageddon it's pretty unlikely unless it's a new issue.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Maso on June 15, 2012, 02:40:26 AM
Is it still going on? :(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Maso on June 15, 2012, 02:44:37 AM
Quote from: Eurynomos on June 15, 2012, 02:30:10 AM
Take a deep breath, relax, go read a book and do something else while the problem's figured out. Your PC will be fine, and we'll figure out what's up.

That's like telling junkies to go take a paracetemol. :p
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 15, 2012, 05:10:19 AM
Lag's been gone for a little bit now.

There are 2 players currently in the world, other than yourself.

I hope you two are enjoying it!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Maso on June 15, 2012, 06:14:16 AM
Lies. It's still lagging.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Cind on June 15, 2012, 06:54:40 AM
Naw, it was actually okay for a while. I can vouch for that.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 15, 2012, 08:30:51 AM
Quote from: Gunnerblaster on June 15, 2012, 02:23:41 AM
Well, if I remember correctly - Staff set it up to where if a PC is idle/disconnected/etc. for over a certain period of time - They'll stop getting hungry/thirsty.

People over 60 minutes idle no longer get hunger/thirsty.  Yep.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Maso on June 15, 2012, 08:32:22 AM
Now even the GDB is lagging. Nyr....why haven't you fixed it with your super powers? :(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 15, 2012, 09:12:53 AM
Quote from: Nyr on June 15, 2012, 08:30:51 AM
Quote from: Gunnerblaster on June 15, 2012, 02:23:41 AM
Well, if I remember correctly - Staff set it up to where if a PC is idle/disconnected/etc. for over a certain period of time - They'll stop getting hungry/thirsty.

People over 60 minutes idle no longer get hunger/thirsty.  Yep.

Since when?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 15, 2012, 09:14:52 AM
November 27, 2008.  It went live in the next reboot.

Quote from: http://www.armageddon.org/general/updates/view.php?week=48&year=2008Full people can eat tablets after next reboot -- Nessalin.
People over 1hr idle will no longer lose hunger/thirst (treated as linkdead) -- Nessalin.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: titansfan on June 15, 2012, 10:00:26 AM
Has the lag been fixed up and all that?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 15, 2012, 10:01:56 AM
No. Read the millions of posts complaining about it....
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Maso on June 15, 2012, 10:03:15 AM
It's the change of the Kings Age. It's like the Millenium Bug all over again. :(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Booya on June 15, 2012, 10:05:16 AM
It's been fine for me this afternoon.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Maso on June 15, 2012, 10:54:52 AM
It's still definitely really really shit.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 15, 2012, 11:55:29 PM
Fuck the lag!!!!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 15, 2012, 11:59:17 PM
Hmm, weird. Just came up all of a sudden.

Can anyone confirm that it's laggy out of in the wilderness?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Is Friday on June 15, 2012, 11:59:36 PM
It's laggy everywhere.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 16, 2012, 12:00:05 AM
Guess I'm just lucky then.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 16, 2012, 12:01:06 AM
TraceRoute to 206.72.207.140 [armageddon.org]

Hop   (ms)   (ms)   (ms)           IP Address   Host name
1      1      1      0         206.123.64.42     - 

2      0      0      0         64.124.196.225    xe-4-2-0.er2.dfw2.us.above.net 
3      0      0      0         64.125.27.81    xe-0-1-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net 
4      5      5      5         64.125.26.134    xe-1-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net 
5      32      32      32         64.125.28.49    xe-2-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net 
6      45      90      45         64.125.26.110    xe-3-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net 
7      36      36      36         64.125.27.65    xe-0-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net 
8      47      47      47         64.124.44.213    64.124.44.213.interserver.com 
9      93      91      92         64.20.32.78    edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net 
10      47      47      47         206.72.207.130    openvz17.interserver.net 
11      44      46      44         206.72.207.140     - 

Trace complete
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: jstorrie on June 16, 2012, 12:03:15 AM
Whew, at least it waited until my PC wasn't locked in mortal combat. Thanks, lag!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 16, 2012, 12:03:59 AM
I really doubt staff needs more tracerts.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on June 16, 2012, 12:05:04 AM
FFfffffuuuuuuuuuuu...

Another blip. Completely stuck.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Creslin on June 16, 2012, 12:07:10 AM
Quote from: Iiyola on June 16, 2012, 12:05:04 AM
FFfffffuuuuuuuuuuu...

Another blip. Completely stuck.

Same, lagged out - now I can connect but after I get "Connected to host armageddon.org" I get no login screen or output to my client AT AL  ??? >:( :o ??? :-[ :-\ :'( :'(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 16, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Running to a safequit room in bullettime right now.  :P Still in, though that's more evidence of sheer bloody mindedness on my part.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Creslin on June 16, 2012, 12:17:55 AM
Quote from: Namino on June 16, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Running to a safequit room in bullettime right now.  :P Still in, though that's more evidence of sheer bloody mindedness on my part.

Lucky you, can't even get in now -- if any staff sees this... PLEASE log out [REMOVED]-- 15 minutes of being unable to login at all ARGGHH what's going on....

Wonder if a reboot would help as a quick fix for the time being. I've had lag / connection trouble in the past (as many people have and have stated in this thread) but I've never seen it this bad where I can't login to the MUD at ALL!

:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

EDIT: Yeah sorry... removed...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 16, 2012, 12:20:31 AM
You probably don't want to tell people your characters name. Might want to edit that out.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 16, 2012, 12:23:59 AM
QuoteCome back soon!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wuSqJG5bIKE/TAPCkf6H--I/AAAAAAAAAfA/w-DTRthYKac/s1600/baseball+umpire.jpg)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Creslin on June 16, 2012, 12:28:01 AM
(http://images.clipartof.com/small/63593-Baseball-Umpire-Signaling-An-Out-Poster-Art-Print.jpg)

Not safe, I'm out! Wish I could get in, my luck I'm probably already dead...  ???
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: jstorrie on June 16, 2012, 12:28:53 AM
Choose thy fate: x
((Disconnected.))


YAAAAAYYYYY
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Creslin on June 16, 2012, 12:31:18 AM
Quote from: jstorrie on June 16, 2012, 12:28:53 AM
Choose thy fate: x
((Disconnected.))


YAAAAAYYYYY

Congrats, now pray to the MUD gods for me so that I can actually log in and do the same  :'(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: armandhammer on June 16, 2012, 12:39:19 AM
Come on, the lag isn't even all that bad.

For bards.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: The Lonely Hunter on June 16, 2012, 01:09:31 AM
I'm guessing someone has put in a ticket for this issue. Any sort of response from the hosting company?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Creslin on June 16, 2012, 01:13:17 AM
Quote from: The Lonely Hunter on June 16, 2012, 01:09:31 AM
I'm guessing someone has put in a ticket for this issue. Any sort of response from the hosting company?

How do yo know? Is this the standard procedure for staff when stuff like this happens? Do they not have RPD / Remote access to the server with the website & MUD on it to reboot it? Or possibly a remote reboot tool through a UPS? Sorry I'm new here and just curious...  ??? Server is in desperate need of a reboot...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 16, 2012, 01:17:40 AM
Quote from: Morgenes on June 14, 2012, 11:30:20 PM
Note that we are back up, but even after completely rebooting our entire server, it doesn't seem to have done anything.  I'm opening a trouble ticket with our host to see if they can see/do anything about it.

I apologize, but you may want to find something else to do if you can't handle the lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Akaramu on June 16, 2012, 01:39:47 AM
Didn't we already have the same lag issue several months ago and then it went away suddenly?  ???
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Is Friday on June 16, 2012, 01:40:23 AM
Seems okay now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 16, 2012, 03:07:30 AM
Quote from: Akaramu on June 16, 2012, 01:39:47 AM
Didn't we already have the same lag issue several months ago and then it went away suddenly?  ???


Yep.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on June 16, 2012, 08:46:46 PM
We had similar issues 6 months ago and they moved us to a different, newer, faster server with more RAM. 

A few weeks ago the issues came back after we had a strange outage where the server was stuck then just came back up with less RAM than we had, but still more than we are paying for. 

They have responded to the ticket by increasing our I/O priority and increasing our 'lockpages' due to an error they were seeing in the logs.  I still need to get back to them and tell them it hasn't helped.  (Sorry, it's Father's Day weekend, and I'm not able to concentrate on it)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: KankWhisperer on June 16, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
Today seems a lot better.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 16, 2012, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: KankWhisperer on June 16, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
Today seems a lot better.


It gets worse with more people online, it seems. I'm noticing small spikes at the moment. nothing like yesterday.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on June 16, 2012, 09:46:09 PM
There's the lag monster again!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kismetic on June 16, 2012, 09:46:24 PM
Uh oh
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on June 16, 2012, 09:51:51 PM
The malevolent entity know as lag rears its ugly head.

*Ginka raises its a shield shaped from the skins of slain badasses

The fight is on!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 16, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
Lag casts firaga. It's over.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Khorm on June 16, 2012, 09:53:31 PM
Did several traces, they all look the same. Only bumps are my router and when trying to resolve the game's IP.


Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.207.140]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

 1     3 ms     1 ms     2 ms  10.0.0.1
 2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 3    12 ms    25 ms    17 ms  te-5-1-ur01.hinsdale.nh.boston.comcast.net [68.8
7.154.101]
 4    24 ms    18 ms    16 ms  be-57-ar01.woburn.ma.boston.comcast.net [68.87.1
46.198]
 5    13 ms    14 ms    18 ms  pos-3-0-0-0-ar01.needham.ma.boston.comcast.net [
68.87.146.14]
 6    43 ms    43 ms    42 ms  pos-2-2-0-0-cr01.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net [6
8.86.93.185]
 7    40 ms    45 ms    42 ms  pos-1-6-0-0-pe01.111eighthave.ny.ibone.comcast.n
et [68.86.87.110]
 8    39 ms    40 ms    42 ms  xe-2-0-0.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.12.209]
 9    41 ms    41 ms    39 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
10    44 ms    42 ms    44 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
11    45 ms    40 ms    40 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
12    39 ms    39 ms    44 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.

Don't have any trouble connecting the the server, it just hangs:
Connected to host armageddon.org

Connected to host armageddon.org
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 16, 2012, 09:55:03 PM
Tuluk, stop having fun, you're ruining this for everyone.  ;)

It is taking me whole minutes to move from one room to the next.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: janeshephard on June 16, 2012, 09:56:21 PM
Right about now I'm struggling just to log out. Good thing I'm not standing in front of a large hungry insect.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: titansfan on June 16, 2012, 09:58:41 PM
Woooooooooooooooooooooow! Talk about ruining all the fun.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: tiptoe on June 16, 2012, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: janeshephard on June 16, 2012, 09:56:21 PM
Right about now I'm struggling just to log out. Good thing I'm not standing in front of a large hungry insect.


:(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nehoc on June 16, 2012, 10:00:04 PM
getting HEAVY lag at this point, a minute or two before "choose thy fate" comes up, gonna disconnect so i'm not putting commands into it, and hopefully this lag will clear up, im gonna try to let people know if I see the lag has mostly cleared up, do post on here about it if you come on too and find that's it's substantially less lagged
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: KankWhisperer on June 16, 2012, 10:07:36 PM
Quote from: KankWhisperer on June 16, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
Today seems a lot better.


Now I can't log in. Jinxed it.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 16, 2012, 10:09:46 PM
Did I say Firaga? Because I meant Blizzaga. Because that shit is...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/46/Horatio_Caine.jpg/250px-Horatio_Caine.jpg)

...frozen.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: musashi on June 16, 2012, 10:10:14 PM
This is awesome. My screen saver comes on in between the commands I input.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Harmless on June 16, 2012, 10:12:46 PM
I just thought of something. How about the game force sends "stop" to everyone when it starts detecting this shit coming? There were signs before the inevitable total-hang, lots of slowing. I could queue up a command, it just waited to go. I could do... 3 commands. Then, three were sent. Groups of actions were taking place. In between groupings of 4-5 simeultaneously presented actions, there were 20-30 second gaps.

this would give an imm the ability, if watching this unfold, to force send a universal "stop" command to all PCs.

Then, the imm could force-send "save" to everyone, and then "quit" to everyone as well. Then, it could reboot, there being no more commands effectively queued for all pcs. Reboot.

Just an idea.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 16, 2012, 10:15:10 PM
The burning sun rises high into the sky, searing the earth.

In game time is still going.

Yup, sure is pretty.
\/\/\/\/
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: musashi on June 16, 2012, 10:17:39 PM
She's enjoying the scenery.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Hishn on June 16, 2012, 10:18:45 PM
Do not post about what your current character is doing in game or any past characters until a year has passed.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Tuannon on June 16, 2012, 10:21:12 PM

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  bob.iad [10.1.1.1]
  2    62 ms    16 ms    16 ms  nexthop.wa.iinet.net.au [203.215.5.244]
  3    17 ms    17 ms    18 ms  te7-1.per-qv1-bdr1.iinet.net.au [203.215.4.18]
  4    71 ms    71 ms    70 ms  xe-3-3-0-0.syd-ult-core1.iinet.net.au [203.215.2
0.6]
  5    68 ms    68 ms    67 ms  te3-1-0.bdr1.syd7.internode.on.net [150.101.197.
185]
  6   253 ms   269 ms   253 ms  po3-0-0.bdr1.sjc2.internode.on.net [203.16.213.1
58]
  7   226 ms   226 ms   225 ms  eqx-sv.4-3.r2.sj.hwng.net [206.223.116.234]
  8   251 ms   250 ms   250 ms  1-3.r2.ch.hwng.net [209.197.1.210]
  9   296 ms   331 ms   293 ms  unknown.hwng.net [209.197.0.249]
10   331 ms   324 ms   325 ms  unknown.hwng.net [209.197.0.38]
11   314 ms   317 ms   322 ms  2-3.r1.ny.hwng.net [69.16.191.93]
12   321 ms   317 ms   318 ms  209.197.17.198
13   319 ms   318 ms   318 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
14   327 ms   376 ms   393 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
15   322 ms   319 ms   318 ms  206.72.207.140

Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Rahmi on June 16, 2012, 10:22:58 PM
Well, looks like I will be getting in bed at a decent hour.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 16, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
Noooo! I was waiting all day to come home and play... I was so excited...  :'(

Heart = Broken
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: musashi on June 16, 2012, 10:35:37 PM
Doing my part.

Tracing route to armageddon.org [206.72.207.140]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1  1240 ms  1587 ms     1 ms  buffalo.setup [192.168.11.1]
  2  1273 ms    16 ms    16 ms  220.220.253.6
  3  3455 ms    31 ms    22 ms  220.220.253.1
  4  1851 ms  2064 ms   942 ms  118.21.174.145
  5    98 ms   718 ms   913 ms  i118-21-178-3.s99.a049.ap.plala.or.jp [118.21.17
8.3]
  6   549 ms   779 ms   352 ms  218.43.251.129
  7  1092 ms  1004 ms  1484 ms  118.23.146.49
  8  1415 ms  1056 ms    49 ms  60.37.27.155
  9   167 ms    15 ms     7 ms  ae-11.r21.tokyjp01.jp.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.12
.201]
10   618 ms   123 ms   132 ms  as-2.r21.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.4
4]
11   206 ms   126 ms   306 ms  equinixexchange.ir1.sanjose-ca.us.xo.net [206.22
3.116.85]
12   330 ms   130 ms   327 ms  207.88.14.225.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.225]
13   191 ms   460 ms   225 ms  te-2-0-0.rar3.washington-dc.us.xo.net [207.88.12
.70]
14  1074 ms  2256 ms  2423 ms  ae0d0.mcr1.newark-nj.us.xo.net [216.156.0.22]
15  1392 ms  3030 ms  1925 ms  ae1d0.mcr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net [216.156.1.9]
16  1368 ms   185 ms     *     207.239.51.86
17  1626 ms  2131 ms   889 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
18  1371 ms   187 ms   204 ms  openvz17.interserver.net [206.72.207.130]
19   676 ms   199 ms  1708 ms  206.72.207.140

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: ShaLeah on June 16, 2012, 10:46:37 PM
Someone IM me when it's back to decent.
/me grumbles drunkenly!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Gunnerblaster on June 16, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
Maaaan. This shit's still down? I've been patiently biding my time until the weekend/my day off to ARM it up and I can't even connect.

This blows.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on June 16, 2012, 11:30:25 PM
I wonder if it would be possible to give everyone 'quit anywhere' privileges until the nightly lag passes.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: adrift on June 16, 2012, 11:31:52 PM
I don't think the game has ever been down this long since the weekly maintenance days...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 16, 2012, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: adrift on June 16, 2012, 11:31:52 PM
I don't think the game has ever been down this long since the weekly maintenance days...

Yeah, this is like the first time.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 16, 2012, 11:34:43 PM
I makes me sad that my time zone / schedule permits me to play almost exclusively during this time of night..

How do I get these stats everyone is posting so I can help too?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 16, 2012, 11:37:38 PM
For Linux, you type in traceroute 206.72.207.140 in term

You may need to do apt-get traceroute first.

Actually, I think it's the same for all OS's.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: X-D on June 16, 2012, 11:37:56 PM
QuoteQuote from: adrift on Today at 07:31:52 PM
I don't think the game has ever been down this long since the weekly maintenance days...

Yeah, this is like the first time.

Untrue, we have had such since then...hell, I'm pretty sure, more then once it was a bad router.

But, since we are not hosted on ginka anymore...who knows what it is.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 16, 2012, 11:38:51 PM
Quote from: X-D on June 16, 2012, 11:37:56 PM
QuoteQuote from: adrift on Today at 07:31:52 PM
I don't think the game has ever been down this long since the weekly maintenance days...

Yeah, this is like the first time.

Untrue, we have had such since then...hell, I'm pretty sure, more then once it was a bad router.

But, since we are not hosted on ginka anymore...who knows what it is.

Oh duh, was this before they moved the sever (that time).
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: tiptoe on June 16, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Is it safe to assume that we'll be logged out eventually? I really can't wait any longer and I'm fairly certain my PC would die if I just continued to be where I happen to be.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: The Lonely Hunter on June 17, 2012, 12:00:03 AM
Yeah, my main play time is during our downtime now. Sucks. Hopefully after the weekend the issue will be resolved. It seems to be machine lag and always at the same time which would lead me to believe they are running backups, scans, or using the machine for more than just hosting Arm.

"HostingCompany offers 30 day money back guarantee on shared hosting, 99.5% uptime guarantee, 100% power guarantee, fast and easy setups, easy to use control panel choices, and much more. Come see why thousands have used HostingCompany to make their website happy!"

(Real name withheld so people don't take it upon themselves to contact the host)

99.5%?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 17, 2012, 12:01:35 AM
Quote from: Barsook on June 16, 2012, 11:37:38 PM
For Linux, you type in traceroute 206.72.207.140 in term

You may need to do apt-get traceroute first.

Actually, I think it's the same for all OS's.


..I use the flash applet. Is there anything I can use in that?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Rhyden on June 17, 2012, 12:04:44 AM
If you're using Windows XP, 2000 or Me click start, run, type in cmd then type tracert ginka.armageddon.org

If you're using Windows 7, easiest way is to search cmd                  ""               ""                ""
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 12:13:19 AM
Sat Jun 16 22:12:45 MDT 2012

traceroute to ginka.armageddon.org (206.72.207.140), 64 hops max, 4050 byte packets
1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  4.478 ms  2.055 ms  2.037 ms
2  76.120.80.1 (76.120.80.1)  48.160 ms  77.977 ms  156.180 ms
3  te-7-4-ur03.arvada.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.129.225)  15.814 ms  27.234 ms  36.869 ms
4  te-0-6-0-6-ar02.denver.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.179.57)  24.627 ms  18.552 ms  41.481 ms
5  pos-0-1-0-0-ar02.aurora.co.denver.comcast.net (68.86.128.242)  22.149 ms  58.862 ms  29.968 ms
6  pos-3-6-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.91.1)  20.031 ms  43.872 ms  27.772 ms
7  pos-2-7-0-0-cr01.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.54)  36.261 ms  54.984 ms  39.526 ms
8  pos-0-4-0-0-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.87.218)  43.204 ms  37.529 ms  58.746 ms
9  xe-5-1-0.er1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.13.185)  81.835 ms  32.821 ms  51.518 ms
10  xe-3-2-0.cr1.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.30.86)  37.233 ms  53.105 ms  33.080 ms
11  xe-1-0-0.cr2.dfw2.us.above.net (64.125.30.78)  38.260 ms  42.745 ms  54.553 ms
12  xe-4-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net (64.125.31.122)  58.635 ms  39.319 ms  62.957 ms
13  xe-5-0-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.31.250)  67.558 ms  67.572 ms *
14  xe-3-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.26.110)  88.141 ms  69.889 ms  66.916 ms
15  xe-0-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.27.65)  66.645 ms  67.008 ms  66.667 ms
16  64.124.44.213.interserver.com (64.124.44.213)  67.503 ms  66.478 ms  94.987 ms
17  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  97.830 ms  89.496 ms  67.252 ms
18  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  91.836 ms  74.706 ms  70.479 ms
19  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  75.273 ms !Z  69.168 ms !Z  93.683 ms !Z
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 17, 2012, 12:14:13 AM
...and on a mac?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
Quote from: greasygemo on June 17, 2012, 12:14:13 AM
...and on a mac?

On a mac, open up Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal
At the prompt, type 'traceroute ginka.armageddon.org 4050'
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: The Lonely Hunter on June 17, 2012, 12:21:16 AM
I think that at this point it has been pretty well established that it isn't a hop to the hosting company but the box we are running on.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 17, 2012, 12:23:17 AM
traceroute to ginka.armageddon.org (206.72.207.140), 64 hops max, 4050 byte packets
1  192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)  3.579 ms  2.775 ms  2.900 ms
2  142.166.182.7 (142.166.182.7)  48.119 ms  47.467 ms  91.296 ms
3  irb-84.dr02.fctn.nb.aliant.net (142.166.211.17)  90.903 ms  47.400 ms  91.888 ms
4  xe-0-0-0.cr02.stjh.nb.aliant.net (142.166.185.145)  99.737 ms  48.507 ms  91.755 ms
5  xe-1-0-0.bx01.mtrl.pq.aliant.net (207.231.227.58)  103.579 ms  61.537 ms  92.802 ms
6  xe-7-2-0.bx01.toro.on.aliant.net (207.231.227.66)  101.310 ms  67.330 ms
    xe-7-2-1.bx01.toro.on.aliant.net (207.231.227.70)  92.217 ms
7  xe-1-1-0.bx01.chcg.il.aliant.net (207.231.227.101)  85.101 ms
    xe-0-1-0.bx01.chcg.il.aliant.net (207.231.227.97)  91.979 ms
    xe-1-1-0.bx01.chcg.il.aliant.net (207.231.227.101)  85.268 ms
8  eqx-ch.3-2.r1.ch.hwng.net (206.223.119.96)  97.227 ms  87.831 ms  97.439 ms
9  e1-4.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.34)  94.067 ms  88.452 ms  97.432 ms
10  209.197.17.198 (209.197.17.198)  90.066 ms  86.908 ms  91.652 ms
11  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  92.319 ms  88.101 ms  101.978 ms
12  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  155.233 ms  150.888 ms  158.425 ms
13  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  151.670 ms !Z  171.689 ms !Z  152.212 ms !Z


Even so... here is my two-cents
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:26:53 AM
Why are people posting traces for

Arm doesn't own their own box so all infrastructure involved is not fixable by anybody reading this forum
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Eurynomos on June 17, 2012, 12:33:29 AM
Like Morgenes said, it's Father's Day weekend. Relax, get a beer, invite a friend over. Watch Rome on HBO Go. Read a book. We'll fix the problem. Maybe. If you're good.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:26:53 AM
Why are people posting traces for

Arm doesn't own their own box so all infrastructure involved is not fixable by anybody reading this forum

In the past, when lag issues surfaced, it has been requested by the staff. While it may not be fixable by anyone reading this forum, there are staffers on this forum that can take the information to people that can fix it...and the more information you present those people with, the better.

Presenting these people with full traces from 10+ different origins certainly can't hurt, and may be infinitely more useful than "Shit's runnin' slow."
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 17, 2012, 12:36:58 AM
Quote from: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:26:53 AM
Why are people posting traces for

Arm doesn't own their own box so all infrastructure involved is not fixable by anybody reading this forum

Quote from: Jeshin on November 17, 2011, 09:00:31 AM
After Wedi's post and Nyr's reply this is the official. Unbearable lag thread. Whenever encountered with what you consider to be game affecting lag or an unintentional DC please include the following

1) PST/EST/GMT of the event or just say at the time of posting
2) IG time - early morning etc etc
3) On a scale of 1-10 how bad the lag is. 1 being one or two seconds sporadically, 5 being several seconds over a long peiod, and 10 being a full disconnect [not by the server].

We can fight lag, with data!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:26:53 AM
Why are people posting traces for

Arm doesn't own their own box so all infrastructure involved is not fixable by anybody reading this forum

In the past, when lag issues surfaced, it has been requested by the staff. While it may not be fixable by anyone reading this forum, there are staffers on this forum that can take the information to people that can fix it...and the more information you present those people with, the better.

Presenting these people with full traces from 10+ different origins certainly can't hurt, and may be infinitely more useful than "Shit's runnin' slow."

Hosting company should be sorting that out because it's their job. Back when Ginka was a PC in somebody's house that made more sense.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 17, 2012, 12:48:30 AM
Seems to be running smoother now.
12:48 EST
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:26:53 AM
Why are people posting traces for

Arm doesn't own their own box so all infrastructure involved is not fixable by anybody reading this forum

In the past, when lag issues surfaced, it has been requested by the staff. While it may not be fixable by anyone reading this forum, there are staffers on this forum that can take the information to people that can fix it...and the more information you present those people with, the better.

Presenting these people with full traces from 10+ different origins certainly can't hurt, and may be infinitely more useful than "Shit's runnin' slow."

Hosting company should be sorting that out because it's their job. Back when Ginka was a PC in somebody's house that made more sense.

?
Why do you give a shit? Staff asked us to. We do it. I realize this time it's looking like an issue on the box itself, but in the past that has not been the case.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:57:54 AM
Quote from: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 12:50:11 AM
Quote from: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: Case on June 17, 2012, 12:26:53 AM
Why are people posting traces for

Arm doesn't own their own box so all infrastructure involved is not fixable by anybody reading this forum

In the past, when lag issues surfaced, it has been requested by the staff. While it may not be fixable by anyone reading this forum, there are staffers on this forum that can take the information to people that can fix it...and the more information you present those people with, the better.

Presenting these people with full traces from 10+ different origins certainly can't hurt, and may be infinitely more useful than "Shit's runnin' slow."

Hosting company should be sorting that out because it's their job. Back when Ginka was a PC in somebody's house that made more sense.

?
Why do you give a shit? Staff asked us to. We do it. I realize this time it's looking like an issue on the box itself, but in the past that has not been the case.
Have fun wasting time I guess? Not sure why I'm a bad person for questioning something.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Harmless on June 17, 2012, 01:15:37 AM
heh, yeah, I could have told ya'll your tracerts were meaningless.

ping armageddon.org

in a cmd window and see tons of beautiful pings.

and the fact that the website loaded meant this was not a network problem.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 17, 2012, 01:31:41 AM
I said as much a while ago. All tracerts are going to tell is that the problem is not on our end. Which is pretty obvious by now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nehoc on June 17, 2012, 02:03:30 AM
^ +1 on ping, it's great, a for tracert being meaningless, not for me to decide, lag is gone now for me anyways
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nehoc on June 17, 2012, 02:12:10 AM
hello dawn, hello heavy lag

i recall my first heavy lag of the night came at around dawn too, maybe increased NPC walking around and shop opening activity, couple with increased player activity?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Necro on June 17, 2012, 02:18:00 AM
playtime interspersed with heavy lag .. hard to pin down, but when pinged in a normal state above 50ms to return, 200 ms during spikes. not going to be able to play long enough to wait for it to happen again and tracert, hope this helps
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: X-D on June 17, 2012, 05:34:26 AM
QuoteIs it safe to assume that we'll be logged out eventually? I really can't wait any longer and I'm fairly certain my PC would die if I just continued to be where I happen to be.

Actually staff does not log people out...unless asked, usually through wish.

Best you can hope for is that people are mature enough to not take advantage of LD PCs...Or, if you are in an unsafe area, maybe somebody will move you to a safe area...I've already done so with a couple PCs I found in the wilderness...I'm just an old softy that way.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: musashi on June 17, 2012, 05:39:56 AM
Quote from: X-D on June 17, 2012, 05:34:26 AM
QuoteIs it safe to assume that we'll be logged out eventually? I really can't wait any longer and I'm fairly certain my PC would die if I just continued to be where I happen to be.

Actually staff does not log people out...unless asked, usually through wish.

Best you can hope for is that people are mature enough to not take advantage of LD PCs...Or, if you are in an unsafe area, maybe somebody will move you to a safe area...I've already done so with a couple PCs I found in the wilderness...I'm just an old softy that way.


It's true. Once when I went link dead due to power outage X-D sapped subdued and drug my PC back to safety, and put my weapons in my inventory.

I pay it forward now when I find PC's in similar circumstances.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: tiptoe on June 17, 2012, 05:56:30 AM
Quote from: musashi on June 17, 2012, 05:39:56 AM
Quote from: X-D on June 17, 2012, 05:34:26 AM
QuoteIs it safe to assume that we'll be logged out eventually? I really can't wait any longer and I'm fairly certain my PC would die if I just continued to be where I happen to be.

Actually staff does not log people out...unless asked, usually through wish.

Best you can hope for is that people are mature enough to not take advantage of LD PCs...Or, if you are in an unsafe area, maybe somebody will move you to a safe area...I've already done so with a couple PCs I found in the wilderness...I'm just an old softy that way.


It's true. Once when I went link dead due to power outage X-D sapped subdued and drug my PC back to safety, and put my weapons in my inventory.

I pay it forward now when I find PC's in similar circumstances.

Thankfully bad situations were avoided this time around (for me, at least). But it does seem like there should be some sort of protocol in situations like this...game-wide logout with a reboot, just to purge players who couldn't wait 3 hours to find somewhere safe to quit. Granted, I don't think it's usually quite as bad as it was.

Personally, I handle it the same way and will either drag someone to a safe location or just wish up that they're link dead. Good to know I'm not the only one :)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 17, 2012, 06:28:56 AM
Staff might be just as laggy and just as unable to issue commands with wish ups during global lag like the type we're facing now.

But I highly approve of sapping/subduing/wishing up/being nice to linkdead characters when it's not huge global lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: tiptoe on June 17, 2012, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: Karieith on June 17, 2012, 06:28:56 AM
Staff might be just as laggy and just as unable to issue commands with wish ups during global lag like the type we're facing now.

But I highly approve of sapping/subduing/wishing up/being nice to linkdead characters when it's not huge global lag.

Oh yes, of course! I mean more afterwards...when all the lag finally subsides.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Lutagar on June 17, 2012, 11:04:56 AM
IT BEGINS
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 17, 2012, 11:22:23 AM
Can a ping help?

PING 206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=34.0 ms
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=36.1 ms
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=34.4 ms
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=35.0 ms
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=5 ttl=53 time=34.0 ms
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 11:23:11 AM
Yup. Connects in half a second, and then I get no mantis head for many minutes.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: Barsook on June 17, 2012, 11:22:23 AM
Can a ping help?

PING 206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=34.0 ms
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=36.1 ms
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=34.4 ms
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=35.0 ms
64 bytes from 206.72.207.140: icmp_req=5 ttl=53 time=34.0 ms


Ping jis like traceroute lite - ust measures how long it takes to bounce from your machine to the server. In this case, having established it's not a network issue, ping isn't of much use.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 17, 2012, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: drunkendwarf on June 17, 2012, 11:23:11 AM
Yup. Connects in half a second, and then I get no mantis head for many minutes.

Same and here's the traceroute:

traceroute to 206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  unknown (192.168.1.1)  1.694 ms  2.760 ms  3.890 ms
2  10.169.64.1 (10.169.64.1)  12.145 ms  12.732 ms  12.717 ms
3  ae0-1030.cr02.dytnoh55.swo.rr.com (184.59.244.114)  19.525 ms  23.147 ms  23.187 ms
4  ae0.tr00.clevohek.mwrtn.rr.com (65.189.140.144)  30.953 ms ae1.tr00.clevohek.mwrtn.rr.com (65.189.140.130)  31.378 ms  30.856 ms
5  107.14.19.58 (107.14.19.58)  40.769 ms ae-3-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.70)  40.820 ms 107.14.19.58 (107.14.19.58)  50.857 ms
6  ae-1-0.pr0.dca10.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.165)  43.154 ms  31.789 ms 107.14.19.135 (107.14.19.135)  28.597 ms
7  3-3.r1.dc.hwng.net (69.16.190.113)  29.236 ms  30.281 ms  44.192 ms
8  e4-2.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.42)  46.798 ms e1-4.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.34)  50.814 ms e4-2.r1.ny.hwng.net (209.197.0.42)  38.827 ms
9  209.197.17.198 (209.197.17.198)  74.745 ms  74.655 ms  75.170 ms
10  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net (64.20.32.78)  37.973 ms  55.270 ms  55.249 ms
11  openvz17.interserver.net (206.72.207.130)  41.508 ms  58.379 ms  41.537 ms
12  206.72.207.140 (206.72.207.140)  35.124 ms !X  51.989 ms !X  35.112 ms !X
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: armandhammer on June 17, 2012, 11:56:26 AM
I admire how many players tough out the lag in order to play.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 17, 2012, 02:12:36 PM
Quote from: Morgenes on June 16, 2012, 08:46:46 PM
We had similar issues 6 months ago and they moved us to a different, newer, faster server with more RAM. 

A few weeks ago the issues came back after we had a strange outage where the server was stuck then just came back up with less RAM than we had, but still more than we are paying for. 

They have responded to the ticket by increasing our I/O priority and increasing our 'lockpages' due to an error they were seeing in the logs.  I still need to get back to them and tell them it hasn't helped.  (Sorry, it's Father's Day weekend, and I'm not able to concentrate on it)

Just reposting this for anyone that has skimmed over it.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Gunnerblaster on June 17, 2012, 05:09:35 PM
P.S. - It's working now.

;D

(Hope I didn't just  jinx it)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 17, 2012, 05:23:46 PM
It comes and goes.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 17, 2012, 10:36:52 PM
Please behave yourself game, now is not a good time!

Y'know, it got this terrible around this time yesterday too.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kismetic on June 17, 2012, 10:37:03 PM
It's coming.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 17, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
Here we go. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_gst-Ryh3g)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 17, 2012, 10:38:04 PM
Awww, it missed me :3
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 17, 2012, 10:39:30 PM
It's either having to do with this time frame - as this is about the same time as yesterday - or it's when there's more than 50 people online... or at least that's all I can think of that makes sense...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Creslin on June 17, 2012, 10:39:57 PM
Yep just came on now... nothing - nothing - nothing - running perfectly - BAM! - Lag.

Eeek...  :'(
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: A Large Bag on June 17, 2012, 10:40:36 PM
OMG, this is horrible.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kismetic on June 17, 2012, 10:40:48 PM
I think it has to do with the time, it's been consistent the last three days.  It also appears to happen at a similar time in the AM.

I don't mind it so much.  I'm sitting here, drinking beer.  I wonder if NPCs lag ...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Sav on June 17, 2012, 10:41:48 PM
I was going to post what Creslin said almost verbatim, except my sound effect would have been BLAM.

BLAM! Lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: KankWhisperer on June 17, 2012, 10:45:38 PM
Usually with code it's whatever they changed last.

Wasn't it something about npc follow script , hidden script, and gate saves. Don't know how gate saves would do it, some kinda loop in the script to make them stop following maybe? Or the hide thing maybe?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on June 17, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Yep, the lag monster is rearing it's head... -_-
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Dresan on June 17, 2012, 10:47:37 PM
It almost feels like the server starts either running an anti-virus program or starts scheduled backups, thus taking two hours to complete.


Anyways we peaked at 60 people and then got hit with lag, kinda seems fair peak-time gets a taste of what off-peak has been going through.


Anyways, it is now officially a race to log off!  :D
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on June 17, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Program Files\VentSrv>tracert 206.72.207.104

Tracing route to 206.72.207.104 over a maximum of 30 hops

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ptld-dsl-gw44-236.ptld.qwest.net [207.225.84.236
]
  3    40 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ptld-agw1.inet.qwest.net [207.225.86.89]
  4    43 ms    42 ms    43 ms  sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [67.14.41.18]
  5    43 ms    43 ms    43 ms  63.146.26.82
  6    69 ms    44 ms    44 ms  xe-1-0-0.mpr2.sea1.us.above.net [64.125.31.14]
  7    98 ms    98 ms   100 ms  xe-1-2-0.cr2.ord2.us.above.net [64.125.31.2]
  8   122 ms   122 ms   122 ms  xe-2-0-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.24.29]
  9   160 ms   119 ms   120 ms  xe-1-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.166]
10   138 ms   122 ms   122 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
11   121 ms   120 ms   120 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
14     *        *        *     Request timed out.
15     *        *        *     Request timed out.
16     *        *
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nehoc on June 17, 2012, 11:09:11 PM
we got lag right now? im getting it, maybe others arent?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Is Friday on June 17, 2012, 11:24:33 PM
Seems to be getting better.

edit:
knock on wood.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Dresan on June 17, 2012, 11:26:56 PM
It got better enough for me to get to a place where i can log out. That only took an hour  :(

We went from 60 people down to 26 in that time which isn't too bad, though guessing the rest are stuck somewhere. Good luck to you!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 17, 2012, 11:40:54 PM
Might be coming out on the other side of the tunnel now, not sure...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nehoc on June 17, 2012, 11:41:38 PM
thanks for the tip dresan, i dont wanna be left holding the bag either
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Synthesis on June 18, 2012, 12:12:27 AM
Quote from: Kismetic on June 17, 2012, 10:40:48 PM
I think it has to do with the time, it's been consistent the last three days.  It also appears to happen at a similar time in the AM.

I don't mind it so much.  I'm sitting here, drinking beer.  I wonder if NPCs lag ...

If it's machine lag, NPCs generally are affected by it, because their scripts are suffering from the same underlying problem (lack of processing power).

If it's network lag, probably not.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 18, 2012, 12:26:20 AM
Being vague, I am just going to say that it does appear the NPCs lag too.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 18, 2012, 02:04:52 AM
Lag confirmed, 2 am EST, severity level 6, not fully logged out, 30 secs to 4 mins for a command.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 18, 2012, 02:06:34 AM
Greasy, it's just you I think. I'm in game and seem to be unaffected.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kismetic on June 18, 2012, 02:28:58 AM
Lag went away after about an hour.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 18, 2012, 11:18:05 AM
Is this the time it usually hits in the mornings everyone was previously alluding to? Or is this just me?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: janeshephard on June 18, 2012, 11:18:25 AM
It came back this morning it seems although not as bad as it was this weekend's Father's day.


Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: shadeoux on June 18, 2012, 11:18:42 AM
and it's back
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 18, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
11:20 EST, Lag level 7 - 5-10 mins for a command
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: A Large Bag on June 18, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: greasygemo on June 18, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
11:20 EST, Lag level 7 - 5-10 mins for a command
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kaineus on June 18, 2012, 11:28:32 AM
I just had to disconnect in the middle of a fight. The fight took 15 minutes to get through three rounds. Kept sending variations of "Stand" and "Flee," lag so bad none of the commands went through. Just going to send a rez request after my PC dies.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: janeshephard on June 18, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Nice. Looks like Arma is shutdown. Good call, until this gets sorted out :)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 18, 2012, 11:32:28 AM
Woah, D/C and when trying to R/C Socket Error... and now it's saying Security error??
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: janeshephard on June 18, 2012, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: greasygemo on June 18, 2012, 11:32:28 AM
Woah, D/C and when trying to R/C Socket Error... and now it's saying Security error??

The mud is off-line. Sounds like you're using a Java client.

This is better than it being on-line and people dying while linkdead.

EDIT: Looks like it's back up.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Evoru on June 18, 2012, 12:16:53 PM
It just disconnected and won't reconnect.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 18, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
So... What's going on with all the reboots?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Old Kank on June 18, 2012, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: Evoru on June 18, 2012, 12:16:53 PM
It just disconnected and won't reconnect.

You can usually check to see if it's lag or a crash by going to www.armageddon.org (http://www.armageddon.org)

Toward the bottom of the page, it will say something like, "Armageddon is not running" or "Armageddon just booted 10 seconds ago" if it was a crash.  If it was last booted 15 days ago, it's lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: janeshephard on June 18, 2012, 12:47:22 PM
Anyone logged back in and found themselves back where they were?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on June 18, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
Okay, I've figured this out.

Pyramid scheming the lag away!

Bear with me. The current theory is that the virtual server does not have enough RAM which could be causing the lag. Now as mentioned we already have more RAM than we're paying for. Clearly we should pay for more, so everyone send to Briarfox for character art and as per her arrangement you should donate any money you would have spent on character art to the Armageddon website for upkeep.

Thus everyone gets awesome character art -and- we have the potential of getting the server upgraded. Obviously this plan is contingent on reliable cashflow, so make sure to continue getting character art done at about 1 new portrait every month or so.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on June 18, 2012, 01:42:51 PM
http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,43679.msg688918.html#new
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 18, 2012, 01:49:03 PM
Thank you for looking into this Morgenes, I hope you had a pleasant father's day.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Creslin on June 18, 2012, 01:55:45 PM
(WARNING: Wilds Guesses and Speculation Ahead!)
I doubt RAM is the issue. I've ran a few MUDs and I've never seen a process run (DikuMUD or CircleMUD) with more than 5MB to 20MB tops of RAM usage. (With all areas loaded into memory, character data, etc).
I have a feeling it has to do with the "heartbeat" code, all the updates and functions that need to run on the game heartbeat which could run as often as every second. (NPC movement, regen, NPC tracking, respawns, weather changes, time changes, shop updates, triggers like timed speech scripts, updating hunger/thirst, updating poisons, updating Psionic / Magical affects, and many many more things...)
It seems like the heartbeats run much slower, proof of this is that time doesn't pass at the rate it should be passing and all because the code that needs to run on each heartbeat is taking too long.   :'(
This is just a wild guess based on past experiences and I have no real evidence as to whether or not this is ARMs problem to back up what I'm saying, but it's a possibility.  ???
(/END of Wild Guesses and Speculation)

Looks like they are trying to figure out the issue right now...
QuoteArmageddon last booted 16 minutes and 31 seconds ago.
QuoteConnected to host armageddon.org
Armageddon is full.  There is currently a limit of 1 players.

I hope it gets resolved and the game is opened again soon... I am horribly and irredeemably addicted to ARM.  :-[

Oh so addicted to ARM...  :o

EDIT:
Game is back up, wonder if the made any headway in getting this resolved...  ???
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: UnderSeven on June 18, 2012, 01:58:43 PM
Something I've noticed about the lag is it doesn't seem to be traditional lag, where your connection slows to a crawl but the game world moves on right as rain.  It appears (to my view anyway) that the game world is slowing to a crawl and connectivity is fine.  I've noticed that ticks of things that take time in the game seem virtually unaffected by the 'lag' leading my to believe that the entire game, not just players, are experiencing the same effect.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: A Large Bag on June 18, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
Yes, I was noticing the ic hours ticking off as normal (at least it appeared to me) but everything else going on was taking longer than normal.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Ender on June 18, 2012, 02:26:13 PM
Quote from: A Large Bag on June 18, 2012, 02:14:27 PM
Yes, I was noticing the ic hours ticking off as normal (at least it appeared to me) but everything else going on was taking longer than normal.

That's because in game time is normalized to real world time, which isn't affected by lag.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Dresan on June 18, 2012, 03:00:32 PM
In this day and age with cheap ram and processing power I doubt its either. The lag is not so random, though its been a bit sporadic lately it was pretty consistent the other couple of days. It always lasts the same amount of time as well.

My computer can run three or so high graphical games at once before it begins slowing down, again high ram and processes (graphics card but that not applicable). You know what slows it noticeably though, running anti virus scan, and spybot scan at the same time, got forbid i defrag or scan the hard-drive. That is why i think it might not so much processing power but forcing the harddrive to begin doing multiple things at once, it can only do it so fast.  Its really my harddrive that bottlenecks my computer. There could be a  intensive scan or backup going on at certain times (lasting about an hour or two long) that are causing the slow down on a machine.  That is my theory anyways, and it is just for the fun of theory-crafting. I'm sure it will be found and fixed soon enough, again the game is still running smoothly most of the time at least. :)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on June 18, 2012, 03:04:57 PM
I say it's the new code or the fixes that are causing the problems.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: titansfan on June 18, 2012, 03:17:37 PM
It's happened around the same times during the morning hours and at night. Starts right around 9 EDT PM and then lasts like 2-3 hours. Then in the mornings it starts right around the sames times which would be 9 EDT AM. At least that has been when I've experienced it at its worst.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Namino on June 18, 2012, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: UnderSeven on June 18, 2012, 01:58:43 PM
Something I've noticed about the lag is it doesn't seem to be traditional lag fire.

It's not traditional fire. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4w0_n1Yras#t=3m)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Morgenes on June 18, 2012, 03:52:21 PM
You are correct, it seems to be something binding up in the game loop.  Time is tied to the real clock, not to the number of game loops run, so that is staying ok.

We are adding logging to try and narrow down where the problem is.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Maso on June 18, 2012, 03:59:06 PM
Quote from: Morgenes on June 18, 2012, 03:52:21 PM
You are correct, it seems to be something binding up in the game loop.  Time is tied to the real clock, not to the number of game loops run, so that is staying ok.

We are adding logging to try and narrow down where the problem is.

You guys are superstars. :)
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: redkank on June 18, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
I've noticed the lag occurs after the game has been active for a while.  As pure speculation, this would lead me to
believe it may be tied into the recent changes to hunt code. The problems began occuring about the same time
as this feature was modified. Again purely observation: As the game is up for a while then people seem
to reach rooms and perhaps trigger the code to become active.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Cind on June 18, 2012, 04:18:31 PM
Never thought I'd be happy to be kicked off the game, but here we are.

My money's on the quit-safe rooms outside city gates. I'm not trying to bash the updates; I'm just trying to guess which one it might be if its from the recent updates.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Nyr on June 18, 2012, 04:27:03 PM
Quote from: Cind on June 18, 2012, 04:18:31 PM
My money's on the quit-safe rooms outside city gates.

This wasn't a code change, but a building change.  Sorta like modifying the description of a room.  It changes nothing about the code of the rest of the game itself.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: brytta.leofa on June 18, 2012, 07:08:13 PM
Quote from: Morgenes on June 18, 2012, 03:52:21 PM
You are correct, it seems to be something binding up in the game loop.

Every raptor in the game is now permahunting herself.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 18, 2012, 07:10:06 PM
More likely it's just me incessantly checking my Skills.

Edit: Fun Fact: I saw the April Fools Joke a full thirty seconds before the announcement because of my habit.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 18, 2012, 08:53:25 PM
Bit of slowdown, not as bad as usual though.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 18, 2012, 08:55:51 PM
Quote from: Karieith on June 18, 2012, 08:53:25 PM
Bit of slowdown, not as bad as usual though.

You know that just means it's on its way down, right?

Give or take an hour, it is remarkably consistent.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 18, 2012, 09:03:24 PM
...I just started loving this game.. so much sadness over the lag it hurts.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Semper on June 18, 2012, 10:35:40 PM
Whyyyy! I'm almost tempted to avoid playing during these times...
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on June 18, 2012, 10:38:40 PM
Quote from: Semper on June 18, 2012, 10:35:40 PM
Whyyyy! I'm almost tempted to avoid playing during these times...
My soul dies a little, when I try to login after work..
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Yam on June 22, 2012, 08:00:22 PM
I haven't been able to play at previous peak lag times. Did the server migration fix the lag, or is it still around?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Patuk on June 22, 2012, 08:01:42 PM
Sure seems to have done so, yes.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on June 22, 2012, 08:12:56 PM
I'm still hitting hiccups but at this point I'm pretty sure it's me and not the server.

Thanks for fixing this so quick guys.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Vox on June 28, 2012, 07:51:31 PM
Not sure if I'm the only one, but recently I've been getting some heavy lag spikes around this time. Other websites open without issue..

Anybody else?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Kismetic on June 28, 2012, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: Vox on June 28, 2012, 07:51:31 PM
Not sure if I'm the only one, but recently I've been getting some heavy lag spikes around this time. Other websites open without issue..

Anybody else?

Newp.  Solid, over here.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Reiteration on June 28, 2012, 10:56:35 PM
I've had a solid line to armageddon since I started.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on June 28, 2012, 10:59:39 PM
solid here too.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on July 19, 2012, 02:35:59 AM
Just had a bit of a lag spike.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: BadSkeelz on July 19, 2012, 02:37:01 AM
Been getting them for the last thirty minutes or so myself.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Patuk on July 19, 2012, 02:37:29 AM
Been having them, too.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Karieith on July 19, 2012, 02:39:55 AM
Ha, I thought it was my internet.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: musashi on July 30, 2012, 06:24:08 AM
I wonder if it's just me but I was getting brutal lag spikes today.  :-[
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on August 12, 2012, 11:32:31 PM
Is it just me, or have others been kicked out?
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: X-D on August 12, 2012, 11:37:56 PM
I was logged in for like 2 seconds
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on August 12, 2012, 11:44:22 PM
I'm still unable to log in
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: X-D on August 12, 2012, 11:54:09 PM
Ping and trace say SCREW YOU BUDDY!!!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Potaje on August 13, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ptld-dsl-gw44-236.ptld.qwest.net [207.225.84.236
]
  3    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  ptld-agw1.inet.qwest.net [207.225.86.89]
  4    43 ms    43 ms    43 ms  sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [67.14.41.18]
  5    43 ms    43 ms    42 ms  63.146.26.82
  6    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  xe-0-0-0.mpr2.sea1.us.above.net [64.125.31.10]
  7    98 ms    98 ms    98 ms  xe-1-2-0.cr2.ord2.us.above.net [64.125.31.2]
  8   122 ms   131 ms   122 ms  xe-2-1-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.27.34]
  9   118 ms   118 ms   118 ms  xe-1-0-1.er2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.166]
10   118 ms   117 ms   117 ms  64.124.44.213.interserver.com [64.124.44.213]
11   119 ms   118 ms   118 ms  edge-12-teb1.us.as19318.net [64.20.32.78]
12   119 ms   119 ms   119 ms  openvz1.trouble-free.net [69.10.46.218]
13   119 ms   119 ms   119 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.76]
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on August 13, 2012, 01:07:48 AM
I had no problems at all.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on April 30, 2013, 08:34:44 PM
The evil entity known as LAG has risen once more. Fight this beast with metrics, if this reboot doesn't fix it.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Delirium on April 30, 2013, 08:37:15 PM
Hexxus LAG, the very spirit of destruction, rose up from the bowels of the earth, and rained down his poison...

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdi7COvkPuOUPHx131nbv8a0EWp7Mn4rzSztSUg8iBqqj6fgvB)

Yeah, I don't know why I thought of Fern Gully, but I did.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: greasygemo on April 30, 2013, 08:37:52 PM
How do I obtain metrics again? ..I use atlantis?  :-[

EDIT: ^ I love you Delirium for using hexxus in this thread to represent lag
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Barsook on April 30, 2013, 08:39:31 PM
traceroute to armageddon.org (209.159.155.76), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1  unknown (192.168.1.1)  1.228 ms  1.171 ms  1.630 ms
2  * * *
3  ae0-1031.cr02.dytnoh55.swo.rr.com (184.59.244.116)  23.962 ms  24.722 ms  24.708 ms
4  network-065-029-001-046.midwest.rr.com (65.29.1.46)  34.825 ms  34.858 ms  34.793 ms
5  ae-3-0.cr0.dca20.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.70)  38.932 ms  38.914 ms  38.891 ms
6  so-1-1-1.a0.alb75.tbone.rr.com (66.109.1.49)  38.751 ms 107.14.19.135 (107.14.19.135)  32.755 ms ae-2-0.c1.nyc90.tbone.rr.com (66.109.1.49)  33.969 ms
7  xe-0-1-1.er2.iad10.us.above.net (64.125.12.61)  33.925 ms  27.845 ms  31.455 ms
8  xe-5-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.29.77)  41.067 ms xe-4-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.29.214)  35.830 ms xe-5-1-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.29.77)  34.030 ms
9  xe-3-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.26.110)  43.372 ms xe-2-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.26.106)  40.800 ms  40.754 ms
10  xe-0-0-1.mpr2.ewr2.us.above.net (64.125.31.173)  39.274 ms  39.242 ms  41.460 ms
11  208.184.34.234.IPYX-069067-ZYO.above.net (208.184.34.234)  86.552 ms  86.509 ms  75.991 ms
12  openvz1.trouble-free.net (69.10.46.218)  37.707 ms  33.969 ms  34.756 ms
13  ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76)  36.353 ms  33.246 ms  36.877 ms
****@****-AO722:~$ armageddon.org


and ping

***@****-AO722:~$ ping armageddon.org
PING armageddon.org (209.159.155.76) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=1 ttl=52 time=34.9 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=2 ttl=52 time=40.2 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=3 ttl=52 time=82.2 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=4 ttl=52 time=34.6 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=5 ttl=52 time=37.7 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=6 ttl=52 time=34.0 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=7 ttl=52 time=39.7 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=8 ttl=52 time=46.2 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=9 ttl=52 time=52.8 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=10 ttl=52 time=62.0 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=11 ttl=52 time=74.1 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=12 ttl=52 time=85.6 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=13 ttl=52 time=94.4 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=14 ttl=52 time=36.2 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=15 ttl=52 time=33.9 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=16 ttl=52 time=34.6 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=17 ttl=52 time=32.8 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=18 ttl=52 time=32.8 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=19 ttl=52 time=33.2 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=20 ttl=52 time=33.3 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=21 ttl=52 time=33.4 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=22 ttl=52 time=34.9 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=23 ttl=52 time=34.6 ms
64 bytes from ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76): icmp_req=24 ttl=52 time=32.5 ms
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on May 03, 2013, 02:49:55 AM
Once again for lag, the best way to assist staff is to do a trace route and a ping. Thus the thread! Knowledge is power. Whoosh!
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Riev on May 03, 2013, 03:08:11 AM
Quote from: Jeshin on May 03, 2013, 02:49:55 AM
Once again for lag, the best way to assist staff is to do a trace route and a ping. Thus the thread! Knowledge is power. Whoosh!

This is misleading, because not all lag is due to latency. Recent lag seems to have more to do with the server itself, like a memory leak in the code or something. Which is why it cleared up after Morgenes' reboot but slowly came back.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Jeshin on May 03, 2013, 03:25:25 AM
Yes. The trace route and ping allows them to rule out network issues and focus on server issues or vice versa.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: LauraMars on May 03, 2013, 04:32:35 PM
Here's mine:

Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=22ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=21ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=57
Reply from 209.159.155.76: bytes=32 time=17ms TTL=57


Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.76]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  ELEMENTS [***.***.*.*]
  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  3    11 ms    10 ms    11 ms  ***.***.***.*
  4    21 ms    22 ms    19 ms  216.113.122.98
  5    18 ms    19 ms    19 ms  eqix-ny2.interserver.com [198.32.118.45]
  6    19 ms    19 ms    18 ms  openvz1.trouble-free.net [69.10.46.218]
  7    18 ms    18 ms    17 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.76]

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Fredd on May 03, 2013, 09:03:20 PM
Really really bad, right now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Iiyola on May 03, 2013, 11:59:39 PM
Can't even log in properly at this point.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: LauraMars on May 04, 2013, 12:12:37 AM
Hm, this is quite bad.  Ping times still in the 18-20ms range.  Definitely not network related.  And with ~50 players online, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with current player populations.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Desertman on May 04, 2013, 12:29:33 AM
My traces and pings seem to be coming back fairly clean, yet I am still experiencing bursts of frequent lag for hours on end.

I think this is actually the Ginka server stalling and not a connection issue.

I don't know, I'm not a network/pc guru to that extent.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Bellator on May 04, 2013, 01:58:33 AM
Yeah my ping is coming back ~90-100ms but I am also experiencing significant lag in game.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Riev on May 04, 2013, 06:37:57 AM
.... been saying this for a few days, now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Dakota on May 04, 2013, 07:40:25 AM
Here's mine. This is all moonspeak to me but it doesn't look good.

Traceroute has started ...

traceroute to 209.159.155.76 (209.159.155.76), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1  192.168.4.1 (192.168.4.1)  18.606 ms  1.597 ms  1.476 ms
2  * * *
3  ip-86-49-52-1.net.upcbroadband.cz (86.49.52.1)  11.046 ms  27.336 ms  10.676 ms
4  84.116.221.225 (84.116.221.225)  109.462 ms  110.406 ms  110.551 ms
5  84.116.135.1 (84.116.135.1)  137.951 ms  135.289 ms  113.363 ms
6  uk-lon02a-rd2-xe-0-2-2.aorta.net (84.116.133.93)  130.538 ms  176.606 ms 84.116.133.214 (84.116.133.214)  106.913 ms
7  us-nyc01c-rd1-pos-3-0-0.aorta.net (213.46.160.126)  116.662 ms us-nyc01c-rd1-pos-1-0-0.aorta.net (213.46.160.206)  112.720 ms us-nyc01c-rd1-pos-3-0-0.aorta.net (213.46.160.126)  113.679 ms
8  84.116.135.98 (84.116.135.98)  111.552 ms  132.028 ms  112.204 ms
9  above.net (198.32.118.25)  112.222 ms  120.108 ms  142.055 ms
10  xe-4-1-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net (64.125.30.209)  113.103 ms  117.103 ms  113.870 ms
11  xe-0-0-1.mpr2.ewr2.us.above.net (64.125.31.173)  108.962 ms  108.379 ms  105.221 ms
12  208.184.34.234.IPYX-069067-ZYO.above.net (208.184.34.234)  120.685 ms  119.995 ms  122.125 ms
13  openvz1.trouble-free.net (69.10.46.218)  119.565 ms  115.395 ms  115.204 ms
14  ginka.armageddon.org (209.159.155.76)  114.689 ms  120.688 ms  117.383 ms
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Fredd on May 04, 2013, 09:11:30 AM
Still bad. Yep.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Fredd on May 04, 2013, 10:08:20 AM
Ok, the game is pretty much unplayable for me right now.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: Is Friday on May 04, 2013, 10:13:27 AM
I'm experiencing pretty solid lag but I'm not seeing the cause....


C:\>tracert armageddon.org

Tracing route to armageddon.org [******************]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    37 ms    19 ms    30 ms  cpe-76-176-32-1.san.res.rr.com [76.176.32.1]
  3    10 ms     9 ms     8 ms  tge1-1.crlscaij-cer02.socal.rr.com [76.166.18.10
1]
  4    18 ms    14 ms    15 ms  tge0-8-0-1.sndhcaax-ccr02.socal.rr.com [72.129.1
.118]
  5    20 ms    16 ms    15 ms  agg22.tustcaft-ccr01.socal.rr.com [72.129.1.2]
  6    17 ms    23 ms    15 ms  ae-6-0.cr0.lax30.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.214]
  7    13 ms    16 ms    14 ms  ae-1-0.pr0.lax10.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.131]
  8    14 ms    16 ms    13 ms  xe-1-3-0.mpr1.lax12.us.above.net [64.125.13.45]

  9    19 ms    17 ms    21 ms  xe-3-0-0.cr2.lax112.us.above.net [64.125.30.29]

10    53 ms    52 ms    51 ms  xe-3-2-0.cr2.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.30.49]
11    78 ms    78 ms    79 ms  xe-5-0-0.cr2.dca2.us.above.net [64.125.31.250]
12    82 ms    83 ms    87 ms  xe-3-2-0.cr2.lga5.us.above.net [64.125.26.110]
13   126 ms    84 ms    82 ms  xe-0-0-1.mpr2.ewr2.us.above.net [64.125.31.173]

14    82 ms    82 ms    82 ms  208.184.34.234.IPYX-069067-ZYO.above.net [208.18
4.34.234]
15    82 ms    82 ms    83 ms  openvz1.trouble-free.net [69.10.46.218]
16    83 ms    82 ms    83 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [209.159.155.76]

Trace complete.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: evil_erdlu on May 04, 2013, 11:04:28 AM
I doubt we need any more trace route or ping logs.. I'm currently using some shitty internet connection from my local GSM provider and my ping 320 ms. But in game, I realized two things;

1. As visible, it's way too laggy.
2. Commands with no 'before' delay are getting a 'before' delay. For example; if I wait enough to ensure my character has no delay in progress, then type 'n;l n' it sometimes looks north - response coming nearly instantly - , then moves north in a second or two.

Damn.. I'm in the field in the middle of nowhere and I'm forced to stay here. There's nothing else to do here. I would be delighted if this could be fixed.

Edit: Not 32 ms ping of course.. It's 320 ms.. Sorry about the confusion, I seem to have forgotten the zero.
Title: Re: Fight the Lag! - with metrics
Post by: CoreyTX on May 04, 2013, 12:13:01 PM
The last 2-3 weeks I have seen a performance hit. Did we switch providers? Can I help in anyway to resolve the game performance issues? I am willing to contribute knowledge, finical help, etc to help work on getting the user experience resolved.

Just let me know if you need anything.

Corey