Drama leads to pregnancy, pregnancy leads to storage, storage leads to..
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Why would pregnancy lead to storage?
Quote from: Maso on December 10, 2012, 02:18:01 PM
Why would pregnancy lead to storage?
I had one commoner character who bred. (Well, regular commoner. I once had a Kadian who thought her contribution to the family should be to make as many political marriages and have as many little Kadians as possible. But she was Kadian. It wasn't like she actually had to raise them.) I stored. One of the last things she did was walk the infant down to the Sanctuary and stand outside looking in.
Because she had a baby with her. Because she didn't make enough sid for a nanny. Because you don't bring babies into bars.
Of course if one's character has one of those magic babies that tend themselves while they hunt spiders, or that they can bring to bars because their baby doesn't cry and annoy everyone, and of course is just so cute and unique that no one minds that they bring them everywhere like the non-shitting shoulder birds, it's less likely to end up in storage.
Quote from: Maso on December 10, 2012, 02:18:01 PM
Why would pregnancy lead to storage?
I've always seen pregnancy on this game as some last ditch effort to spruce up some excitement in the character's life. In my personal opinion and experience, it seems like people tend to become pregnant when they're running out of ideas to make their characters exciting again but it rarely works and often even backfires.
Not only are you cutting down on a lot of things your character could be doing instead of wobbling about and complaining of morning sickness, but you're also often dragging down someone with you along the path.
Of course, I'm probably wrong, but, yeah.
Quote from: Malken on December 10, 2012, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: Maso on December 10, 2012, 02:18:01 PM
Why would pregnancy lead to storage?
I've always seen pregnancy on this game as some last ditch effort to spruce up some excitement in the character's life. In my personal opinion and experience, it seems like people tend to become pregnant when they're running out of ideas to make their characters exciting again but it rarely works and often even backfires.
Not only are you cutting down on a lot of things your character could be doing instead of wobbling about and complaining of morning sickness, but you're also often dragging down someone with you along the path.
Of course, I'm probably wrong, but, yeah.
I started a character pregnant once, everything she did revolved around that, it was actually really interesting. Otherwise I would probably use it as an excuse for absence (which it's great for). The only other time I had a pregnant character...I was taking a few months hiatus. But I reckon it can work and be really interesting, if they players really consider it properly.
Don't see a problem with babies in bars. See babies everywhere RL. Maybe not in bars at night, but in Zalanthas? Totally.
You don't see a problem with babies in bars really? Or you're willing to overlook it for playability? Because I see a lot of problems with it.
Bar fights
Elves with knives
Drunken armed idiots
Annoyed nobles
Annoyed soldiers
People annoyed by the smell of baby shit
Noise
People annoyed by the brat who will not stop crying because it's so fucking loud and scary with all those drunk armed assholes screaming and brawling around it.
Yeah, but like...deal with IC?
I've seen tiny babies at festivals and stuff, so they can be perfectly fine in roudy situations...I suppose it depends on the baby...This is Zalanthas...we could be talking about a baby who's idea of 'play time' is sitting in a 'ninth alley playing with a broken, blood-stained dagger and a one-legged, one-eyed elf doll. It's just not the same. Bar could be safer than home.
I stored because of pregnancy. In game AND real life.
I'm not going to make the latter mistake again.
Quote from: Barzalene on December 10, 2012, 02:57:50 PM
You don't see a problem with babies in bars really? Or you're willing to overlook it for playability? Because I see a lot of problems with it.
Bar fights
Elves with knives
Drunken armed idiots
Annoyed nobles
Annoyed soldiers
People annoyed by the smell of baby shit
Noise
People annoyed by the brat who will not stop crying because it's so fucking loud and scary with all those drunk armed assholes screaming and brawling around it.
In Japan people bring their babies into bars at night ... a lot. I was weirded out by it at first. Now it's normal.
We did that with the first one. Strapped her in the Ergo Baby and took 'er everywhere, even LARPs. She just slept through everything. After about 6mos or so, they stop doing that, so we became more reclusive. And when another one rolls around, don't even think about it.
Quote from: Malken on December 10, 2012, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: Maso on December 10, 2012, 02:18:01 PM
Why would pregnancy lead to storage?
I've always seen pregnancy on this game as some last ditch effort to spruce up some excitement in the character's life. In my personal opinion and experience, it seems like people tend to become pregnant when they're running out of ideas to make their characters exciting again but it rarely works and often even backfires.
Not only are you cutting down on a lot of things your character could be doing instead of wobbling about and complaining of morning sickness, but you're also often dragging down someone with you along the path.
Of course, I'm probably wrong, but, yeah.
Pregnancy (and child care) is more doable with some roles than others, imho. A valued house servant will have plenty of help with childcare whenever they are busy, and a safe place to keep the child. But a female Bynner? No way. Considering how much coded apartments get burglared, my PCs with half a brain would only want to have a child if they could keep them somewhere much more safe than a private apartment.
If a character of mine ever had a baby it would end up on the pile in Meleth's.
There aren't enough babies on that pile... honestly.
Sell it to Borsail.
This isn't 1800s America, quite a few slaves live better than most commoners.
Quote from: AreteX on December 11, 2012, 04:17:16 AM
If a character of mine ever had a baby it would end up on the pile in Meleth's.
There aren't enough babies on that pile... honestly.
I see no reason to toss out a baby you could sell, or eat. That's just a waste. ;)
I don't know. Just a difference of vision I guess. My feeling is, in a world where resources are scarce, and labor is more plentiful than jobs most people aren't important enough that they'd take on the trouble or expense of providing daycare. I think you'd be lucky not to be fired the second you start to show.
Now if one were to promise said child like some kind of indenture that might do it. But they'd probably have your brat washing dishes as soon as it could stand next to the sand barrel,
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 04:36:22 AM
I don't know. Just a difference of vision I guess. My feeling is, in a world where resources are scarce, and labor is more plentiful than jobs most people aren't important enough that they'd take on the trouble or expense of providing daycare. I think you'd be lucky not to be fired the second you start to show.
Now if one were to promise said child like some kind of indenture that might do it. But they'd probably have your brat washing dishes as soon as it could stand next to the sand barrel,
I'm all for sellin' dem babies.
This wasn't meant to be ported to this thread
Quote from: boog on December 11, 2012, 04:50:15 AM
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 04:36:22 AM
I don't know. Just a difference of vision I guess. My feeling is, in a world where resources are scarce, and labor is more plentiful than jobs most people aren't important enough that they'd take on the trouble or expense of providing daycare. I think you'd be lucky not to be fired the second you start to show.
Now if one were to promise said child like some kind of indenture that might do it. But they'd probably have your brat washing dishes as soon as it could stand next to the sand barrel,
I'm all for sellin' dem babies.
Sure, sell that virtual baby to the virtual slavers get some virtual sid. Better than having to have that virtual baby, interact with it the first few weeks then give it to your virtual parents in their virtual house to virtually raise them because the sands are too rough to raise babies on. Then when people ask you how's the kid you can say it's great! Nothing bad ever happens to it because it's safe with my parents who have been in a monogamous, loving and loyal relationship for forty years! Did I tell you I'm pregnant again!? Amos and Waloola are exactly a year apart and this one will be too! My boss thinks it's GREAT because I make the best bone swords in the known.
I roll for pgs, then once I roll positive I roll gender and viability and whether it will come on time, early or late. I find babies in bars on Zalanthas weirder than I do babies in bars in real life because in real life everyone isn't armed, most people aren't mercenaries or cut throats or evil gemmers.
I'd fire an employee who got knocked up without having earned that whole loyalty thing. I may even kill them if I was in the position for wasting my time and sid with that procreate and continue your line tribal mindset. On the other hand, if it's a trusted employee, a lifer, I'd be hooting and hollering because the it'd seem more likely that that parent will raise them a die hard X House Fan. Kinda like a modern day Sports Fan, you raise them to be what you want them to be.
That said! I'd totally have boog's and Barz's babies in a NY minute.
I see nothing wrong with Zalanthans loving and caring for their children. I just don't think the rest of the world apart from your pc's immediate family will want to participate.
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 05:42:32 AM
I see nothing wrong with Zalanthans loving and caring for their children. I just don't think the rest of the world apart from your pc's immediate family will want to participate.
I'd often give Borsail a great deal if they'd take both the mother and the child away from my PC :P
Quote from: Malken on December 11, 2012, 05:59:09 AM
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 05:42:32 AM
I see nothing wrong with Zalanthans loving and caring for their children. I just don't think the rest of the world apart from your pc's immediate family will want to participate.
I'd often give Borsail a great deal if they'd take both the mother and the child away from my PC :P
Less mudsexing = less unwanted virtual IG babies. Just saying. ;)
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 04:36:22 AM
I don't know. Just a difference of vision I guess. My feeling is, in a world where resources are scarce, and labor is more plentiful than jobs most people aren't important enough that they'd take on the trouble or expense of providing daycare. I think you'd be lucky not to be fired the second you start to show.
Now if one were to promise said child like some kind of indenture that might do it. But they'd probably have your brat washing dishes as soon as it could stand next to the sand barrel,
I dunno. Plenty of children still get born during wartime, my own dad being a WW2 child (that same winter being one of the coldest ever). It's kinda the same thing imo: food was scarce, it was difficult to come by, shit was dangerous, etc. etc.
I would think, for survival of the race, especially in dire times people would produce more offspring to guarantee its future. Look to India, or South America for instance? The kids help provide an income and help around the house with mom and grandparents.
Quote from: AreteX on December 11, 2012, 04:17:16 AM
If a character of mine ever had a baby it would end up on the pile in Meleth's.
There aren't enough babies on that pile... honestly.
As tough and bad-ass of a world as Zalanthas is, I think the instincts common among most living things regarding preservation and expansion of your own genetics would come very much into play. The poorer people of the world are, the more babies they tend to have. It would be very ooc to see babies on that pile, except, of course, if some templar was teaching a lesson.
I think either you didn't read my post, or I am not understanding yours.
In the last decade of prosperity in 20th Century America, a warm and fuzzy time and place very few companies provided child-care. Why would Borsail?
I'm not talking about Borsail but simply families who keep on breeding because of the reasons TheBadSeed explains.
Also, we're derailing this thread too much. Perhaps someone's interested to create a new one regarding this subject?
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 04:36:22 AM
I don't know. Just a difference of vision I guess. My feeling is, in a world where resources are scarce, and labor is more plentiful than jobs most people aren't important enough that they'd take on the trouble or expense of providing daycare. I think you'd be lucky not to be fired the second you start to show.
Now if one were to promise said child like some kind of indenture that might do it. But they'd probably have your brat washing dishes as soon as it could stand next to the sand barrel,
Eh? I think you're stuck in the idea of modern child-care services. Think more along the lines of, "Yes, yes, I'll keep the little buggers busy while I cook up stew from the last scrab brought in."
They may get the kids to do small jobs, but that's more because there are no books, TV, or any number of other goodies we have today. Essentially, it'll be waitstaff looking to find something to keep the kids out from under foot, rather than actually profit from their presence.
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 07:13:45 AM
I think either you didn't read my post, or I am not understanding yours.
In the last decade of prosperity in 20th Century America, a warm and fuzzy time and place very few companies provided child-care. Why would Borsail?
I also think you're in the 20th Century mode of family life and professional life being separate. House Borsail is not a business, it's a house where business is done.
Edit : Even if the majority of its staff is slave labor, there are going to be plenty of slaves who are at least nominally educated in the manners of the House, and there will be some sort of arrangement where their children will be brought up in much the same way. It may not be formalized in a sort of child-care service or school, but it would probably be a fine place for a freeborn employee to stash their child.
Outside of noble houses, there are also likely to be informal arrangements among the populace, either through family or long-time associates.
Quote from: Iiyola on December 11, 2012, 07:08:55 AM
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 04:36:22 AM
I don't know. Just a difference of vision I guess. My feeling is, in a world where resources are scarce, and labor is more plentiful than jobs most people aren't important enough that they'd take on the trouble or expense of providing daycare. I think you'd be lucky not to be fired the second you start to show.
Now if one were to promise said child like some kind of indenture that might do it. But they'd probably have your brat washing dishes as soon as it could stand next to the sand barrel,
I dunno. Plenty of children still get born during wartime, my own dad being a WW2 child (that same winter being one of the coldest ever). It's kinda the same thing imo: food was scarce, it was difficult to come by, shit was dangerous, etc. etc.
I would think, for survival of the race, especially in dire times people would produce more offspring to guarantee its future. Look to India, or South America for instance? The kids help provide an income and help around the house with mom and grandparents.
This, pretty much. Most if not all of my characters have backgrounds where they were forced to work since the age where they could stand, too. Hell, some jobs would even be better suited to children: I figure being a beggar or doing something requiring small fingers(laying fine knots) would be easier to employ children in.
Difference in vision. But I don't think I am the one stuck in in a modern mindset.
If my pc hires someone to make stew, I want them watching the stew not playing nanny. Your kid, your priblem. It's my house, not a commune.
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 07:28:29 AM
Difference in vision. But I don't think I am the one stuck in in a modern mindset.
If my pc hires someone to make stew, I want them watching the stew not playing nanny. Your kid, your priblem. It's my house, not a commune.
You realize it takes hours to make stock, right? Cooking stew from a big old scrab can be an all-day thing. So can smoking meat for preservation.
There will always be people who are doing something that doesn't keep them 100% busy, and other people will always try to take advantage of them for that.
Dude I was a cook in the coast guard and worked in restaurants from the time I was 18
I know exactly what is involved in making stock
Further, not the point. It doesn't explain why my employee's decision to spread their legs should be my problem.
This is a dumb argument. It can go either way easily based on the people/house/employees involved.
Agreed. How accepted employees with children are is really an IC thing, not something that can be hashed out to concensus.
the babby/employee/employer/zalanthas relationship-talk goes here.
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 07:39:43 AM
Further, not the point. It doesn't explain why my employee's decision to spread their legs should be my problem.
There is no good argument, because you're standing on a strict employer-employee relationship, where the employee works and the employer pays.
However, that notion is only 500 years old (at least in Europe), and doesn't really stand much in modern standards where employers are expected to provide health insurance and safe work environments.
So, let's rephrase the question from a modern perspective : why is it my problem that my employee got sick or used equipment improperly?
Essentially, it's just a solution to a problem.
I would think, in that mindset of harsh lands etc etc: the more kids, the more help the more income. The older kids can eventually take care of the younger ones too. Besides... it's not a given every child makes it: complications at birth, diseases, etc. etc.
Plenty of people wanting that job.
Quote from: Dalmeth on December 11, 2012, 07:23:39 AMI also think you're in the 20th Century mode of family life and professional life being separate. House Borsail is not a business, it's a house where business is done.
THIS.
They're not just companies or businesses. A large portion of their "employees" are there for life, and that obligation goes both ways. If you hire a young woman for life, you have to expect that she's going to have kids at some point. Now, you can either pay her enough that she can rent a place and hire enough help to continue doing her job, or instead you can provide those services in bulk for all your employees at great savings.
And indeed, I've been told that noble houses do provide services to employees, including nanny/daycare services.
Quote from: Iiyola on December 11, 2012, 07:58:02 AM
I would think, in that mindset of harsh lands etc etc: the more kids, the more help the more income. The older kids can eventually take care of the younger ones too. Besides... it's not a given every child makes it: complications at birth, diseases, etc. etc.
With regards to tribals I agree. But when we talk about nobles, the way I imagine the class divide is that the schism is vast enough that commoners are just barely human, and far too numerous.
Farmers take care of their animals' children.
Babies / kids can be fun IC and do not make everyone store. Just be prepared to emote the vnpc like nuts, allow them to puke, scream, break shit, etc.. Dont cop out and have Johnny Goodboy for a kid. ;)
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 08:09:45 AM
Quote from: Iiyola on December 11, 2012, 07:58:02 AM
I would think, in that mindset of harsh lands etc etc: the more kids, the more help the more income. The older kids can eventually take care of the younger ones too. Besides... it's not a given every child makes it: complications at birth, diseases, etc. etc.
With regards to tribals I agree. But when we talk about nobles, the way I imagine the class divide is that the schism is vast enough that commoners are just barely human, and far too numerous.
Plenty of royals and bluebloods from the past with numerous children (some bastards). Nobles are people too and people like to kank. And mulmix isn't always 100% guarantee.
Nobles aren't necessarily ruthless CEOs out to fire anyone that has a baby, especially if that someone having the baby is lifesworn. It'd be more likely they'd want the little runt around to do the job someone would normally get paid for or that a slave would normally handle, freeing up those resources for something else. If the runt enjoys the work, they might grow up into someone that also wants to become lifesworn, and by that point, they're already halfway indoctrinated into thinking that working at this House is awesome.
I think...somewhere in this whole baby argument...some people are making assumptions that all Zalanthian parents are and should be....responsible parents. There are shitty, sucky, irresponsible parents in the world who neglect their children, forget to feed them, hurt them, put them in dangerous situations, are generally just rubbish at looking after them, don't love them, love them too much, only have them to entrap men etc etc etc....The same applies in the Known. Even the more responsible of commoners will still have an instinct to reproduce (otherwise, how did they all get there?), and they will just do the best they can in a shitty situation. If that means carrying a baby on their back while they hunt to feed their family, or taking a baby to the bar while they go whoring - then that's what they will do.
I moved a post to moderation. Please do not post IC information. What may seem like 'common knowledge' to you is something that even I as a Player did not find out for 8 RL years.
If I was a noble or GMH family member, I would provide for an employee's offspring just to have more control over them. If people won't do anything for their boss, but most will do just about anything to keep their family safe and provided for.
Unrelated random baby thought: I once played a pc that murdered a pregnant woman, out in the wilderness, to collect the bounty on her head. The violent result of hunting and grebbing with a bun in the oven.
Quote from: Marauder Moe on December 11, 2012, 08:00:27 AM
Quote from: Dalmeth on December 11, 2012, 07:23:39 AMI also think you're in the 20th Century mode of family life and professional life being separate. House Borsail is not a business, it's a house where business is done.
THIS.
They're not just companies or businesses. A large portion of their "employees" are there for life, and that obligation goes both ways. If you hire a young woman for life, you have to expect that she's going to have kids at some point. Now, you can either pay her enough that she can rent a place and hire enough help to continue doing her job, or instead you can provide those services in bulk for all your employees at great savings.
And indeed, I've been told that noble houses do provide services to employees, including nanny/daycare services.
If my
Position seems modernist, then indeed to apologize. I failed to express myself clearly. My point was not make analogous the nobles and corporate America, but comment on the disparity.
However if current staff has said that houses provide child care, then there you are - disregard the above comments- they are flawed.
And too, I agree there are benefits available the life sworn not given to those who haven't made that leap. Is child care one of them? Possibly.
But whenever possible, I like to think that if there is a question or interpretation to make about Zalanthans life the truth is the one that is harder, and less given to entitlement forthe commoner.
Babies happen...it's like...life. Literally. The hardship comes in the fact that you might have to work up until the day it pops out of you, and then you might have to carry it around with you 24/7, because while you can have a baby, you're not entitled to stop working because of it.
I dunno, the one time I actually had a kid vNPC in game, it was constantly accounted for, constantly RP'd, constantly being a pain in the arse...but at the same time, I'm not going to judge another player because they might slip up with RP'ing it from time to time, nobody is perfect and it is a game after all. RP'ing a baby is actually a real challenge, and I commend anyone who attempts to try and do it, and if they succeed at doing it well - then that's all the more commendable.
This gives me a great idea: a T'zai Byn Daycare Service.
We put all the babies in the yard, give them sparring weapons, and let them work that energy out all day. Then, when you take your baby to the bar with you, it can double as your bodyguard.
I am grateful to anybody who has the patience and time to RP having a baby in this game. It adds to the setting and I see it as a service to others.
Whatever IC reason they can think of to make RPing having that baby more fun or easy or simple is fine by me. I hope nobody here has ever been told that a plot they had in mind for babies didn't fit the setting. That kind of stifling "constraint" is what kills this as a game and makes it a chore.
Armageddon's "canon" is nothing more than a long-running competition of memes by now, with all the changes to the setting made by players and imms alike. If you want the world to work a certain way, make it convincing and fit it into the jigsaw puzzle for your story. The fact that there are so many PCs having babies nowadays (I remember it being rarer) encourages me that through these iterations we'll find out as a whole how babies work in the setting, even if it is a change from what somebody expected.
Even the Byn Daycare works for me, if somebody were willing to treat each individual vnpc baby as a unit and had to allocate vnpc or pc resources to deal with that. It would be a fun project, and in the end, the Byn will have an interesting footnote added to its history.
Or whatever else anybody has in mind. The possibilities are endless.
Quote from: Nyr on December 11, 2012, 08:24:08 AM
Nobles aren't necessarily ruthless CEOs out to fire anyone that has a baby, especially if that someone having the baby is lifesworn. It'd be more likely they'd want the little runt around to do the job someone would normally get paid for or that a slave would normally handle, freeing up those resources for something else. If the runt enjoys the work, they might grow up into someone that also wants to become lifesworn, and by that point, they're already halfway indoctrinated into thinking that working at this House is awesome.
This. This is exactly the impression I had over a number of PCs that worked for noble houses. One of my PCs had a child that was a three-quarter noble, even.
I'd think the houses LOVE having young Zalanthans around who are loyal, and were taught from birth that house XY is awesome and the best in the world. Even if they don't end up working in the same house as their parent did, they could be valuable associates elsewhere in the world, due to their strong ties.
p.s. I specifically recall my Fale bard being encouraged by nobility to produce as much offspring as he could. Perhaps the hope genetically inherited musical talent / the same amazing singing voice played a role.
Quote from: Synthesis on December 11, 2012, 08:57:28 AM
This gives me a great idea: a T'zai Byn Daycare Service.
We put all the babies in the yard, give them sparring weapons, and let them work that energy out all day. Then, when you take your baby to the bar with you, it can double as your bodyguard.
We'll call it Byndergarten.
I would love to see some merchant try and hire out the Byn to watch their kid/s for a day. :D
Quote from: Marauder Moe on December 11, 2012, 09:09:58 AM
I would love to see some merchant try and hire out the Byn to watch their kid/s for a day. :D
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Quote from: Synthesis on December 11, 2012, 09:05:07 AM
Quote from: Synthesis on December 11, 2012, 08:57:28 AM
This gives me a great idea: a T'zai Byn Daycare Service.
We put all the babies in the yard, give them sparring weapons, and let them work that energy out all day. Then, when you take your baby to the bar with you, it can double as your bodyguard.
We'll call it Byndergarten.
You do realize this is the best idea.
The swanky, rich noble walks in from the north.
The ripped, massive-veined toddler walks in from the north.
The ripped, massive-veined toddler draws a baobob log.
The ripped, massive-veined toddler draws a baobob log.
The ripped, massive-veined toddler begins guarding the swanky, rich noble.
Yeah... I've had a pc who had 4 kids.
Sold one to a GMH. Left the twins with their father. The last kid got kidnapped by a [redacted], after she left it with its [redacted] father to raise.
Then I've also sold a bunch of other vnpc kids.
Most of my pcs are horrible parents. They learn it from their horrible parents.
There have been a couple who were not.
I vote to sell baby. Slavery is pretty posh compared to the lives of most commoners. At least you know where the next meal is coming from.
I wanted to add, my characters always pursue abortion. I advocate that.
Abortion in an age where they're scarcely past Stone Age tools does not seem exactly viable.
I am totally making a whorehouse with a day care center (complete with elven wetnurse) and slaving pen attached to it.
Look for it in game, when it happens you'll know it's me.
Quote from: Synthesis on December 11, 2012, 09:05:07 AM
Quote from: Synthesis on December 11, 2012, 08:57:28 AM
This gives me a great idea: a T'zai Byn Daycare Service.
We put all the babies in the yard, give them sparring weapons, and let them work that energy out all day. Then, when you take your baby to the bar with you, it can double as your bodyguard.
We'll call it Byndergarten.
Nobody puts baby in the corner (of Allanak, where the Byn is at) :-X
The real question is.. At what age can a child start using psionics to start annoying the heck out of his/her parents no matter where the parents are hiding?
If a child knows that you are his mother by instinct, wouldn't they also cling to your mind and pretty much mentally cry in your head 24 hours a day?
Quote from: MeTekillot on December 11, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Abortion in an age where they're scarcely past Stone Age tools does not seem exactly viable.
Firestorm's flame and bloodburn.
Quote from: ghostymudy on December 11, 2012, 12:51:31 PM
Quote from: MeTekillot on December 11, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Abortion in an age where they're scarcely past Stone Age tools does not seem exactly viable.
Firestorm's flame and bloodburn.
IF it lives it'll be a Krathi.
Quote from: MeTekillot on December 11, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Abortion in an age where they're scarcely past Stone Age tools does not seem exactly viable.
Herbal abortion. Throwing yourself downstairs... Hiring someone to beat you hard enough to abort the fetus. There are plenty of options.
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
I just had badly rped pregnancy. If you get nearly killed by something you should lose your baby. You cant sit there and say you care about your kid and want to have a baby then run around sparing/hunting and acting like nothing phases you and there are no consequences. :-\
Having kids though is sort of interesting rp challenge. More so if you do have virtual nanny or NPC baby sitter. I have found it fun and if I in a lull in conversation I can always yell over my shoulder at the children for getting into something they shouldn't be. Also is fun to go
e (herding a gaggle of small children) ;D
Quote from: boog on December 11, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: MeTekillot on December 11, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Abortion in an age where they're scarcely past Stone Age tools does not seem exactly viable.
Herbal abortion. Throwing yourself downstairs... Hiring someone to beat you hard enough to abort the fetus. There are plenty of options.
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
ODing on Muls mix would do it I bet.
Quote from: boog on December 11, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: MeTekillot on December 11, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Abortion in an age where they're scarcely past Stone Age tools does not seem exactly viable.
Herbal abortion. Throwing yourself downstairs... Hiring someone to beat you hard enough to abort the fetus. There are plenty of options.
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
Finally, a reason to go looking for a water witch.
Quote from: Malken on December 11, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
The real question is.. At what age can a child start using psionics to start annoying the heck out of his/her parents no matter where the parents are hiding?
If a child knows that you are his mother by instinct, wouldn't they also cling to your mind and pretty much mentally cry in your head 24 hours a day?
I always figured that comes with puberty. I do wonder if a woman would be able to since the fetus's presence and thusly have a deeper bound, then again selling your kids is pretty common so I guess not.
Quote from: Malken on December 11, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
The real question is.. At what age can a child start using psionics to start annoying the heck out of his/her parents no matter where the parents are hiding?
If a child knows that you are his mother by instinct, wouldn't they also cling to your mind and pretty much mentally cry in your head 24 hours a day?
I figure psionics probably don't manifest until early adolescenc.
Quote from: Bast on December 11, 2012, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: boog on December 11, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: MeTekillot on December 11, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Abortion in an age where they're scarcely past Stone Age tools does not seem exactly viable.
Herbal abortion. Throwing yourself downstairs... Hiring someone to beat you hard enough to abort the fetus. There are plenty of options.
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
ODing on Muls mix would do it I bet.
I was going to mention this, too, as a possible avenue for RP. Seeing as the herbs in mul mix are like birth control, taking a large quantity at once should, technically (a game's no place for chemistry or analyzing the herbal concentrate, blah blah blah) should abort a fetus.
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: boog on December 11, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
Quote from: MeTekillot on December 11, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
Abortion in an age where they're scarcely past Stone Age tools does not seem exactly viable.
Herbal abortion. Throwing yourself downstairs... Hiring someone to beat you hard enough to abort the fetus. There are plenty of options.
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
Finally, a reason to go looking for a water witch.
Done it 2 or 3 times. And it's highly amusing every time.
Quote from: ShaLeah on December 11, 2012, 12:39:24 PM
I am totally making a whorehouse with a day care center (complete with elven wetnurse) and slaving pen attached to it.
Look for it in game, when it happens you'll know it's me.
I want in on this. Make it a family role, ta.
Now I'm super curious about what age psionics first develop.
Oh right um bebeh stuff ... I wish vbabies were easier to steal. As a whiran I was thinking about stealing a bebeh and Shalooonsh poo poo'd the idea pretty hard because apparently, people get seriously butt hurt about it on an OOC level.
Quote from: musashi on December 11, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
Now I'm super curious about what age psionics first develop.
Isn't thtis documented? I think it's around the age you can play a character. 13 or so for a Human.
Dunno. On my phone now. Can't really go comfortably digging for it atm.
Quote from: musashi on December 11, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
Now I'm super curious about what age psionics first develop.
Oh right um bebeh stuff ... I wish vbabies were easier to steal. As a whiran I was thinking about stealing a bebeh and Shalooonsh poo poo'd the idea pretty hard because apparently, people get seriously butt hurt about it on an OOC level.
...Really? Dear god.
The wind gicker says out of character: consent to steal ur babby and train it as my witch's apprentice. You get dibs for the apprentice role if I live long nough?
You ooc: TAKE HEEM! TAKE MAH BABEH NOW!
Yeah I got a story about how his elf stole a vbaby once and low and behold the player like, had child kidnapping issues in their real life past or something so there was like, massive tsunami's of drama that ensued OOC'ly thus staff has a "we don't deal with this" policy now concerning vbabies or, something like that.
What.
I certainly hope the Muark are doing well, hmph. Family members of mine have been murdered, but I'm not going to raise that as an issue when pcs of mine get murdered.
Umm.. Yeah..
Yeah, Arm isn't really the place for being sensitive about stuff. I'm pretty sure there is required/encouraged virtual baby stealing out there in Zalanthas...somewhere. >.>
I wouldn't let people have virtual children if they couldn't handle getting them stolen in a game.
Sounds like an urban legend to me. >.>
Although, I admit there would be issues regarding the feasibility of stealing a virtual baby/item. Perhaps due to the 'value' of said item (a baby), the staff might need to be involved in order to decide whether or not the theft was successful, there's risk of power play etc...so maybe they would be against for that reason?
I don't think staff get to decide when my character has a kid.
But then again, people get kidnapped all the time in game. So.... babies?
I always ask for consent from the baby daddy before getting prego. Just seems like a horrible thing to force on another player depending on the situation. I also always role D10s
Just have your character ask for the daddy characters consent IG? Or...take your damn mulmix! Or...deal with the consequences IG?
Quote from: Bast on December 11, 2012, 09:08:26 PM
I always ask for consent from the baby daddy before getting prego. Just seems like a horrible thing to force on another player depending on the situation. I also always role D10s
Or don't do that. And open up tons of fun RP?
Heh. If you do the mudsex ... you should be ready to deal with the consequences :D
Quote from: musashi on December 11, 2012, 09:37:13 PM
Heh. If you do the mudsex ... you should be ready to deal with the consequences :D
That's only reasonable to me. You could always deny the kid's yours.
Quote from: Iiyola on December 11, 2012, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: musashi on December 11, 2012, 09:37:13 PM
Heh. If you do the mudsex ... you should be ready to deal with the consequences :D
That's only reasonable to me. You could always deny the kid's yours.
Maury Povich in Zalanthas, here we come! :D
Quote from: boog on December 11, 2012, 02:15:53 PM
Quote from: musashi on December 11, 2012, 01:59:57 PM
Now I'm super curious about what age psionics first develop.
Oh right um bebeh stuff ... I wish vbabies were easier to steal. As a whiran I was thinking about stealing a bebeh and Shalooonsh poo poo'd the idea pretty hard because apparently, people get seriously butt hurt about it on an OOC level.
...Really? Dear god.
Huh. Really? I've witnessed some vbabies being stolen, years and years ago. From PCs, even.
Right, and the staff seems to have adjusted policy since then.
Seems reasonable/inevitable to me. I think we've always had a general guideline of other peoples' vNPCs being off limits. Also, without baby objects, that means it's up to the staff to adjudicate the kidnapping.
Quote from: Marauder Moe on December 12, 2012, 06:45:41 AM
Seems reasonable/inevitable to me. I think we've always had a general guideline of other peoples' vNPCs being off limits. Also, without baby objects, that means it's up to the staff to adjudicate the kidnapping.
I suppose with that in mind, they might be open to involving high profile vNPC babies if it would lead to some kind of great plot that would involve a large number of players, but it would take some organising.
I feel like this is all speculation though since a staffer hasn't stepped in to say one way or another. Is it mentioned in the docs anywhere? Arm's rules could do with a serious overhaul to add all the stuff that is buried in the GDB.
Shame. Baby kidnappings could lead to such GREAT plots. Perhaps if it was a consent thing?
Without consent, I can imagine the heated discussions that would erupt, aka, "BUT MY VBABY WAS NOT REALLY IN THE APARTMENT AT THAT TIME!"
If you morans would just keep your damn babies in your backpack, and keep it closed, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Quote from: Akaramu on December 12, 2012, 07:21:55 AM
Shame. Baby kidnappings could lead to such GREAT plots. Perhaps if it was a consent thing?
Without consent, I can imagine the heated discussions that would erupt, aka, "BUT MY VBABY WAS NOT REALLY IN THE APARTMENT AT THAT TIME!"
I have accidently left a crib arranged with a baby in even though I emoted taking the baby with me into the next room. I am assuming this one way that the baby stealing thing could go wrong. It should be consent, it's the ultimate form of torture for any parent that loves their baby
Quote from: Maso on December 12, 2012, 06:55:11 AM
I feel like this is all speculation though since a staffer hasn't stepped in to say one way or another.
It is pretty much all speculation, but staff already stepped in on it almost 10 years ago. We don't have a policy on stealing babies that I can find. The only thing that has officially changed is that babies are no longer objects. This is referenced here (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,5965.0.html) (that thread is pretty funny for several other reasons). Since babies are virtual constructs, it needs to be coordinated with staff as staff are considered the arbiters of the virtual world. More than likely it becomes more of a case by case thing.
QuoteArm's rules could do with a serious overhaul to add all the stuff that is buried in the GDB.
What would need to be added to the help rules helpfile that is buried instead on the GDB?
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 11, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Bast on December 11, 2012, 09:08:26 PM
I always ask for consent from the baby daddy before getting prego. Just seems like a horrible thing to force on another player depending on the situation. I also always role D10s
Or don't do that. And open up tons of fun RP?
What if the daddy is shooting blanks?
What if it's in his background that he's shooting blanks and the woman suddenly announces that she's pregnant!
Oh my.
Quote from: Nyr on December 12, 2012, 07:49:07 AM
Quote from: Maso on December 12, 2012, 06:55:11 AM
I feel like this is all speculation though since a staffer hasn't stepped in to say one way or another.
It is pretty much all speculation, but staff already stepped in on it almost 10 years ago. We don't have a policy on stealing babies that I can find. The only thing that has officially changed is that babies are no longer objects. This is referenced here (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,5965.0.html) (that thread is pretty funny for several other reasons). Since babies are virtual constructs, it needs to be coordinated with staff as staff are considered the arbiters of the virtual world. More than likely it becomes more of a case by case thing.
QuoteArm's rules could do with a serious overhaul to add all the stuff that is buried in the GDB.
What would need to be added to the help rules helpfile that is buried instead on the GDB?
I'm pretty sure there's all sorts of 'official staff opinions' scattered over the GDB about things you can and can't do, and should and shouldn't do. If I had the time to go digging then I probably wouldn't have made that previous comment! Ya know? :)
Quote from: Malken on December 12, 2012, 08:00:20 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 11, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Bast on December 11, 2012, 09:08:26 PM
I always ask for consent from the baby daddy before getting prego. Just seems like a horrible thing to force on another player depending on the situation. I also always role D10s
Or don't do that. And open up tons of fun RP?
What if the daddy is shooting blanks?
What if it's in his background that he's shooting blanks and the woman suddenly announces that she's pregnant!
Oh my.
How would he know?
Quote from: Marauder Moe on December 12, 2012, 08:08:06 AM
Quote from: Malken on December 12, 2012, 08:00:20 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 11, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Bast on December 11, 2012, 09:08:26 PM
I always ask for consent from the baby daddy before getting prego. Just seems like a horrible thing to force on another player depending on the situation. I also always role D10s
Or don't do that. And open up tons of fun RP?
What if the daddy is shooting blanks?
What if it's in his background that he's shooting blanks and the woman suddenly announces that she's pregnant!
Oh my.
How would he know?
The player would know.
Quote from: Maso on December 12, 2012, 08:03:01 AM
I'm pretty sure there's all sorts of 'official staff opinions' scattered over the GDB about things you can and can't do, and should and shouldn't do. If I had the time to go digging then I probably wouldn't have made that previous comment! Ya know? :)
Okay. I assume you mean helpfiles in general and not added to the rules. The rules of the game are the rules of the game in "help rules" and I don't really think we need to expand that to include everything discussed by staff on the GDB (or even most things, or even some things, or even all things in which staff say it is the official staff position on something--especially when you can just search the GDB as easily as you can search the helpfiles). However, once you do find one of those things that isn't in a helpfile (but it
maybe should be in a helpfile--but it is only on the GDB), please idea it in-game. We'll go ahead and close off this unrelated derail for now.
Someone should add custom pregnancy "scars" to the scar room.
<face> an enormous gravid uterus
Quote from: Synthesis on December 12, 2012, 08:27:17 AM
Someone should add custom pregnancy "scars" to the scar room.
<face> an enormous gravid uterus
And code that as a wear location!
Quote from: Malken on December 12, 2012, 08:18:00 AM
Quote from: Marauder Moe on December 12, 2012, 08:08:06 AM
Quote from: Malken on December 12, 2012, 08:00:20 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on December 11, 2012, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Bast on December 11, 2012, 09:08:26 PM
I always ask for consent from the baby daddy before getting prego. Just seems like a horrible thing to force on another player depending on the situation. I also always role D10s
Or don't do that. And open up tons of fun RP?
What if the daddy is shooting blanks?
What if it's in his background that he's shooting blanks and the woman suddenly announces that she's pregnant!
Oh my.
How would he know?
The player would know.
Should we be putting things in our background that are (practically) unknowable to our characters? Additionally, fertility is not usually a binary value, is it?
Musing aside, fertility probably ought to be discussed OOCly after mudsex.
I don't have in my background "and on this day of the 21st Age, unbeknownst to himself, Amos' testes became little more than a convenient place to kick him." But I would say in my first character report that this character has various physical quirks and what impact they will have (if any) on how I roleplay them. I treat them like low-grade mutations: something that probably doesn't need staff approval, but I thought the staff might like to know about.
Quote from: Marauder Moe on December 12, 2012, 08:38:00 AM
Should we be putting things in our background that are (practically) unknowable to our characters? Additionally, fertility is not usually a binary value, is it?
Musing aside, fertility probably ought to be discussed OOCly after mudsex.
No, of course not, it would probably be ridiculous to put something like that in your character's background unless it was very important to your character's background.
My point was to illustrate why it might not be a bad idea for the woman to briefly speak about it with her partner before she decides to get pregnant.
Maybe the guy is just sick of playing characters that ends up trapped with children and child-related roleplay but would still enjoy a meaningful relationship of sort?
Relationship != mudsex.. Not sure why everyone is saying that if you mudsex, then you need to deal with the risk of pregnancy.
Faders never get pregnant then?
I don't know.. This is getting a bit ridiculous, I'll admit :) I don't really see myself fading and then having to explain to my partner that I pulled out in time or that my character is shooting blank. Usually, when you fade it's because you don't want to deal with that sort of stuff.
I just think that assuming that your partner is healthy and would get you pregnant whenever you decide to become pregnant is a bit one-sided.. Almost like forced emote. Not just quite.
I'll let you guys discuss child kidnapping instead.
Quote from: Marauder Moe on December 12, 2012, 08:38:00 AM
Should we be putting things in our background that are (practically) unknowable to our characters?
Sure! I think it's always more interesting to put things in character's backgrounds that you know, but that they don't know (and may or not get to discover). But that's another topic. ;)
As for pregancy, etc. I can't imagine dealing will lil'uns IRL just to log into Arm when I have a break and take care/worry about lil'uns there. No thanks.
My last PC had sex a grand total of one time ... faded ... and she still got pregnant >:(
I stored before I had to pay child support though. Who's laughing now?!
All my PCs shoot blanks unless I say otherwise!
I always either ask ooc if I can roll for it if there's even a chance I want to,and IC, if, I haven't asked about it but they express interest, I use the roller. There is a roughly 1 in 10 chance for a yes. That would give about ant 85% chance over an IC year, depending on frequency to go with what I understand is the average chances or rates, if they do not take mul mix. Doing things arbitrarily and without at least implied consent on both sides on an ooc level if not IC level, it's not going to be fun for the other player, and that's not the object of the game, yeah?
If your baby is being ignored, you are using the wrong seasonings.
Quote from: FantasyWriter on December 12, 2012, 06:50:25 PM
If your baby is being ignored, you are using the wrong seasonings.
>taste blue
>you accidentally the baby.
This tastes like ordinary meat.
It's just another situation/hurdle/challenge like any other....There is no rulebook anywhere that says the alleged Father has to take on any parental responsibilities in any way shape or form. They can tell the mother to piss off. They can run away They can say it isn't theirs. They can kill her. They have a huge number of options open to them, and likely a fair selection of responses to choose from within any type of personality.
It's usually not fun for a player when their character gets killed....but you don't ask for their consent first do you? But at the same time, you have to consider that if your character doesn't mention it IC to the daddy character...and then also does not take mulmix or whatever....then those actions need to fit within the realms of mummy PC's personality (irresponsible behaviour/deliberate entrapment etc) and there should be a justifiable thought process there too. In the majority of circumstances, I don't really see a need to take stuff like this OOC.
If the percentage of vNPC's/NPC's that reproduced was the same as the percentage of PC's....there wouldn't be anyone left in the Known.
Quote from: AmandaGreathouse on December 12, 2012, 06:52:38 PM
Quote from: FantasyWriter on December 12, 2012, 06:50:25 PM
If your baby is being ignored, you are using the wrong seasonings.
>taste blue
>you accidentally the baby. The WHOLE thing!
This tastes like ordinary meat.
FTFY.
If your character can walk up to mine a while after having sex and tell me she's pregnant, I'm able to decide when she happens to get pregnant, too. This is my seed and I say it got you knocked up; dump the kid at Winrothol/Borsail if you don't like it.
I support that as well.
Not really though. If you want to have the say so over when your PC gets knocked up, unlike RL, you can just roll up a woman and pregger away.
Not baby-related, but similar:
"you now have zagu-la, crotch rot. there is no way you could escape it from my fluids."
A long time ago, but one of the most memorable funny things I've witnessed while shadowing someone.
em pulls out and finishes in a mug of ale.
A few of my characters have ended up having kids. They've alternatively had a contingency plan in case, someone ready to keep the brat, stored to take care of the kids, junked actual obsidian to pay for a wet nurse, or intended to abandon or sell it. I believe I planned on having one die in childbirth though I can't remember whether I actually did plan that, or just thought about it.
I like this idea of asking the other person, sort've. I mean, I've never had a baby IG so this is just speculation, but it never occurred to me before to consider how the player of the male PC might feel about a virtual baby. I would have just figured they didn't give an eff. I guess you guys just have way more depth in your game romances than I do.
IsFriday, have any of your girls given live birth?
Quote from: evilcabbage on December 12, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
All my PCs shoot blanks unless I say otherwise!
This is actually why it's necessary for the player of the female PC to not necessarily get consent, but at least make sure that the guy they decide gets to be a daddy isn't infertile. You can do this by asking OOC or having an IC conversation about the topic.
If you unilaterally decide you got pregnant, you'll have no room to complain when the "father" suddenly reveals later that he is infertile and therefore absolutely could not be the father. ;)
There is literally no way a Zalanthan guy could know that they were infertile. They could suspect it. They could know it's hard for them to get a girl knocked up....but they couldn't *know*. And fertility comes and goes, with factors like diet, stress, exercise, spice habits (?) etc....So even if tpb behind a PC 'knows' that their PC is entirely fertile...if a girl says she got knocked up by said PC...the PC themselves could be persuaded to believe it too (I'm cured!).
That's true, but as the writer of the character you can determine the permitters and infertility could be one of them. A really odd, persnickety one, but sure.
In which case the writer of the impregnated would have to begin having vague memories of something that happened when she was drunk..a few months back. This cannot be such a big deal.
BTW, totally grossed out by the idea of adding in pregnancy scars.
<head> blown
Quote from: path on December 13, 2012, 11:11:37 AM
I like this idea of asking the other person, sort've. I mean, I've never had a baby IG so this is just speculation, but it never occurred to me before to consider how the player of the male PC might feel about a virtual baby. I would have just figured they didn't give an eff.
I asked once and the player was like "I'm not about to tell you what to do with your character." Since then I realized... Hmmm... maybe they're right, it's my character's body, another player shouldn't have any say unless they're doing something TO them, like torture, main, scar etc. I roll for everything so much so that staff once told me they weren't interested in micromanaging my character's pregnancies. Heh.
If a male PC is doing the horizontal Fale mambo and doesn't wanna breed, mulmix that bitch. No different than carrying a condom. There's also the whole "Oh sure I wanna breed and am happy lurving yew forevah" stance right before you murder the bitch. Perfect for a breed that looks human but doesn't want his elfiness continuing.
Quote from: path on December 13, 2012, 11:11:37 AMIsFriday, have any of your girls given live birth?
I laughed so hard coffee flew out of my nose.
Quote from: Maso on December 13, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
There is literally no way a Zalanthan guy could know that they were infertile.
Yuh huh, if they're muls they know for sure.
Muls don't count. They not really people anyway. ::)
Quote from: Maso on December 13, 2012, 02:29:04 PM
Muls don't count. They not really people anyway. ::)
Yes but they get sooooooooooo testy when you remind them of that.
(I totally laughed out loud that my kids were like "What's so funny?!?")
The ultimate contraception: Do it with a mul.
More importantly, if a female PC is kanking a mul, she probably ought to notice that fact and should know not to roll for preggers.
Actually, now that I think about it more, if your non-mul male PC has sterility written in his background for some reason, I'd suggest perhaps the onus is on you to OOCly convey that abnormality during/after mudsex, rather than on the female PC's player to ask about it.
If you're non-dwarf, you can also get it on with dwarves, because IIRC it takes additional shenanigans to form mul babby. Still waiting on the day I shadow someone into some hawt elf on dwarf action.
New Focus:
Become a stud in the House Borsail mul breeding division.
Quote from: Synthesis on December 12, 2012, 08:37:04 PM
Not baby-related, but similar:
"you now have zagu-la, crotch rot. there is no way you could escape it from my fluids."
A long time ago, but one of the most memorable funny things I've witnessed while shadowing someone.
Quote from: Synthesis on December 13, 2012, 02:47:36 PM
If you're non-dwarf, you can also get it on with dwarves, because IIRC it takes additional shenanigans to form mul babby. Still waiting on the day I shadow someone into some hawt elf on dwarf action.
People shadow people to watch mudsex? *innocence shattered*
Quote from: benegesseritwitch on December 13, 2012, 11:38:05 PM
Quote from: Synthesis on December 12, 2012, 08:37:04 PM
Not baby-related, but similar:
"you now have zagu-la, crotch rot. there is no way you could escape it from my fluids."
A long time ago, but one of the most memorable funny things I've witnessed while shadowing someone.
Quote from: Synthesis on December 13, 2012, 02:47:36 PM
If you're non-dwarf, you can also get it on with dwarves, because IIRC it takes additional shenanigans to form mul babby. Still waiting on the day I shadow someone into some hawt elf on dwarf action.
People shadow people to watch mudsex? *innocence shattered*
this is why people roll burglars right
On-topic
I'm of the stance that Merchant and Noble Houses take care of their employees' children. This is just a good investment for the future, and makes sense. I imagine many house employees are generational.
I also believe the military of both city-states would do the same. Raising those future soldiers raised from birth in a military lifestyle just seems like a good plan for your run-of-the-mill military-state.
I don't want to depress anybody, but even infants can survive with once a day feedings. They will be horribly, horribly hurt by that level of neglect, and it has permanent impact. But they can survive it, and survival is adequate for a slaver's stable. Look into the state of orphanages even today if you feel like getting more depressed.
If adult Zalanthans can handle a brutal mauling from a scrab on a weekly basis and still operate at their peak level for years... well, I'm actually a little sick to my stomach to imagine what would be possible with that theoretical human limitation lifted. I don't think anybody in this community has really pushed the theme of baby-abuse to its limit. At least not that I've seen. (No judging those who have, really. It all fits in the setting. Just consent, please.)
There are scientific studies into the stressors that can effect a babies growth and development, and while occasional malnutrition might not kill a baby it will increase the chance of various illnesses later in life. Also, a lack of maternal affection (physical proximity) is a proven stressor that will stunt the growth of infants and children. While the details of such scientific studies might not readily available to the slave breeding Houses of Zalanthas, they would likely be pretty experienced and knowledgeable about what breeds a strong, healthy and well-minded product and therefore would provide for them in a manner suitable for the desired outcome. Some slavers might be guilty of unhealthy levels of neglect and nutrition, but this probably wouldn't extend to Borsail and whatever their Northern counterpart is - they have reputations to uphold.
Quote from: Harmless on December 14, 2012, 01:41:10 AM
I don't want to depress anybody, but even infants can survive with once a day feedings. They will be horribly, horribly hurt by that level of neglect, and it has permanent impact. But they can survive it, and survival is adequate for a slaver's stable. Look into the state of orphanages even today if you feel like getting more depressed.
I also encountered this recently re-reading Beloved. (Beautiful book, if you like beautiful books.) And while the differences between American slavery and Zalanthan are too different to be comparable (in Zalanthan one might prefer to be owned as you gain a value you wouldn't otherwise have and you reduce your vulnerability to the uncertainties of Zalanthan life) it does touch on the concept that Harmless mentions in the quote above.
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Quote from: boog on December 11, 2012, 04:50:15 AM
Quote from: Barzalene on December 11, 2012, 04:36:22 AM
I don't know. Just a difference of vision I guess. My feeling is, in a world where resources are scarce, and labor is more plentiful than jobs most people aren't important enough that they'd take on the trouble or expense of providing daycare. I think you'd be lucky not to be fired the second you start to show.
Now if one were to promise said child like some kind of indenture that might do it. But they'd probably have your brat washing dishes as soon as it could stand next to the sand barrel,
I'm all for sellin' dem babies.
Sure, sell that virtual baby to the virtual slavers get some virtual sid. Better than having to have that virtual baby, interact with it the first few weeks then give it to your virtual parents in their virtual house to virtually raise them because the sands are too rough to raise babies on. Then when people ask you how's the kid you can say it's great! Nothing bad ever happens to it because it's safe with my parents who have been in a monogamous, loving and loyal relationship for forty years! Did I tell you I'm pregnant again!? Amos and Waloola are exactly a year apart and this one will be too! My boss thinks it's GREAT because I make the best bone swords in the known.
I roll for pgs, then once I roll positive I roll gender and viability and whether it will come on time, early or late. I find babies in bars on Zalanthas weirder than I do babies in bars in real life because in real life everyone isn't armed, most people aren't mercenaries or cut throats or evil gemmers.
I'd fire an employee who got knocked up without having earned that whole loyalty thing. I may even kill them if I was in the position for wasting my time and sid with that procreate and continue your line tribal mindset. On the other hand, if it's a trusted employee, a lifer, I'd be hooting and hollering because the it'd seem more likely that that parent will raise them a die hard X House Fan. Kinda like a modern day Sports Fan, you raise them to be what you want them to be.
That said! I'd totally have boog's and Barz's babies in a NY minute.
I've sold a baby to a non virtual slaver icly before. a couple years back. Wont say who, where blah blah. But it may still be an option. Find out IC.
Did the baby get stored immediately afterwards?
I am 100% with Harmless' earlier post. Anyone who has the energy and will to RP pregnancy and especially a baby make the world so much richer, even if your baby annoys the crud out of my character IC. I respect you greatly as a player, no matter how poorly you treat your virtual spawn. When I think of Zalanthan babies I think of Dwarf Fortress parents.
Kudos to you all.
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