Quote from: Kiara on June 30, 2012, 11:10:27 AM
Look, I don't care if you call me silly or stupid for posting about something I find rather annoying. But again it's also another one of the reasons I hate posting on the GDB because 80% of the GDB population degrade and insult you.

I consider getting defensive about people calling you silly or stupid, when no one has done that, rather annoying. But mostly mindboggling. Perhaps you just need to relax some. You're getting stressed about something that isn't even -on- the "annoyance radar" for most other people, and for those who allow it to register at all, it's pretty low on the scale.

QuoteBottom line this post was about when you walk into a tavern and ALL the pc's in that room look at you. So all you see when you walk in is the following. No pauses in between looks, no nothing, you just get spammed with 10x looks from people. I did this post because I walked into a bar just recently and this is exactly what happened.

1. (blah looks at you)
2. (blah looks at you)
3. (blah looks at you)
4. (blah looks at you)
5. (blah looks at you)
6. (blah looks at you)
7. (blah looks at you)
8. (blah looks at you)
9. (blah looks at you)
10. (blah looks at you)

No emotes that are visible to me, and the fact that this is in fact annoying. Emote with the look do SOMETHING, don't just type Look Blah! If your hemoting GREAT!! If not this is something to think about. Yea the game is about rp, but really that's not rp. Rp is when you actually type "Look blah, while glancing past blah."

So really, you're just annoyed that people didn't emote about how they looked at you, and that they didn't give your character the attention you feel your character deserved above and beyond the "look" echo itself.

Um - sorry. My guess, is that they were all checking in advance, to determine whether or not your character was worth emoting over. If they looked, and then didn't do anything else, then there's your answer: They determined that your character had nothing physically noteworthy. If they looked, and -did- react to what they saw, then there's your answer: They determined that your character DID have something physically noteworthy.

Honest. It just isn't that big a deal. Unless you feel your character is all that and a bag o'chips, and no one else feels the same way. In which case, oh well. Them's the breaks, maybe play an hermaphrodite with a huge uniboob and a single ball hanging down from a 3-foot scrotum or something. I'm sure you'll get the response you seek, then.

Quote from: Lizzie on June 30, 2012, 01:23:35 PM

Quote from: Kiara on June 30, 2012, 11:10:27 AM
Look, I don't care if you call me silly or stupid for posting about something I find rather annoying. But again it's also another one of the reasons I hate posting on the GDB because 80% of the GDB population degrade and insult you.

I consider getting defensive about people calling you silly or stupid, when no one has done that, rather annoying. But mostly mindboggling. Perhaps you just need to relax some. You're getting stressed about something that isn't even -on- the "annoyance radar" for most other people, and for those who allow it to register at all, it's pretty low on the scale.

QuoteBottom line this post was about when you walk into a tavern and ALL the pc's in that room look at you. So all you see when you walk in is the following. No pauses in between looks, no nothing, you just get spammed with 10x looks from people. I did this post because I walked into a bar just recently and this is exactly what happened.

1. (blah looks at you)
2. (blah looks at you)
3. (blah looks at you)
4. (blah looks at you)
5. (blah looks at you)
6. (blah looks at you)
7. (blah looks at you)
8. (blah looks at you)
9. (blah looks at you)
10. (blah looks at you)

No emotes that are visible to me, and the fact that this is in fact annoying. Emote with the look do SOMETHING, don't just type Look Blah! If your hemoting GREAT!! If not this is something to think about. Yea the game is about rp, but really that's not rp. Rp is when you actually type "Look blah, while glancing past blah."

So really, you're just annoyed that people didn't emote about how they looked at you, and that they didn't give your character the attention you feel your character deserved above and beyond the "look" echo itself.

Um - sorry. My guess, is that they were all checking in advance, to determine whether or not your character was worth emoting over. If they looked, and then didn't do anything else, then there's your answer: They determined that your character had nothing physically noteworthy. If they looked, and -did- react to what they saw, then there's your answer: They determined that your character DID have something physically noteworthy.

Honest. It just isn't that big a deal. Unless you feel your character is all that and a bag o'chips, and no one else feels the same way. In which case, oh well. Them's the breaks, maybe play an hermaphrodite with a huge uniboob and a single ball hanging down from a 3-foot scrotum or something. I'm sure you'll get the response you seek, then.

This isn't about my pc, so on that aspect your wrong. I just used me as an example of what I ment by spam looking.

Quote from: Malifaxis on Today at 10:28:43
This is the most idiotic thing to get annoyed over.  Seriously.  It's so goddamn minute that it's laughable.

And yes this is the reason I get defensive because of how people talk to each other about things that are brought up on the gdb as just a general comment. Just because I find it annoying I don't expect others to but excuse me for posting something that would possibly interest others in adding their thoughts and opinions on the matter.

On the actual Spam Looking, if you type "look blah" your pc is in MY MIND, and CODELY turning their head and looking at someone. Either because they are curious as to who they are, what they are wearing, IF they are dressed or not. THIS in my OPINION should be actually emoted because you are physically turning your head and looking at the person.  As for having triggers set up so that when you walk into a tavern/bar either coming or going, sitting down or even looking at someone, I know quite a few people who have that set up.

Quote from: Kiara on June 30, 2012, 11:10:27 AM

No emotes that are visible to me, and the fact that this is in fact annoying. Emote with the look do SOMETHING, don't just type Look Blah! If your hemoting GREAT!! If not this is something to think about. Yea the game is about rp, but really that's not rp. Rp is when you actually type "Look blah, while glancing past blah."

I actually have a tiny little pet peeve about look emotes... because a lot of people go look woman (with a brief glance) or something similar, BUT: they can't possibly know if they would actually glance briefly, or stare wide-eyed at me for five minutes straight because I'm wearing a magickal medallion of writhing tentacles. Only after actually reading the mdesc / equipment list can you know how much attention you'd give that person.

I don't really get why look spam is a big deal, either. It bothers me more when people enter, sit bar, look, stand, walk back out without one single emote ever.

But, I didn't turn my head. I was already looking in that direction, and you showed up. I didn't change my vantage point at all. Nothing about ME has changed. My eyes are still looking at the exact same piece of tavern space as it was 2 seconds before your character chose to occupy it. Now, if you expect me to continually spam

emote is looking at a spot near the entry

over and over and over again, because change ldesc won't allow me to display that unless I'm standing up or sitting on the floor..

then I guess the only response I have for you is

the same response I had in my last post: you need to relax and stop obsessing about something that isn't important.

Also, it IS about you. If it weren't, you wouldn't have posted. Your opinion applies to your situation.  If I'm getting 10 spam-looks at MY character, and *I* don't give a shit, then you have no reason, need, or entitlement to give a shit either.

If anything, this thread is making the devil in me want to look at people more.

Quote from: Lizzie on June 30, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
But, I didn't turn my head. I was already looking in that direction, and you showed up. I didn't change my vantage point at all. Nothing about ME has changed. My eyes are still looking at the exact same piece of tavern space as it was 2 seconds before your character chose to occupy it. Now, if you expect me to continually spam

emote is looking at a spot near the entry

over and over and over again, because change ldesc won't allow me to display that unless I'm standing up or sitting on the floor..

then I guess the only response I have for you is

the same response I had in my last post: you need to relax and stop obsessing about something that isn't important.

Also, it IS about you. If it weren't, you wouldn't have posted. Your opinion applies to your situation.  If I'm getting 10 spam-looks at MY character, and *I* don't give a shit, then you have no reason, need, or entitlement to give a shit either.

So every pc is simply staring blankly at the general direction of the door? because without a emote that's exactly what every pc is doing, unless in conversation. So when a pc walks into the 'space' as you call it, everyone is already looking at that 'space' so they don't have to emote looking at you or towards you.

All I have to say to that is wow.

Quote from: A Large Bag on June 30, 2012, 01:55:59 PM
If anything, this thread is making the devil in me want to look at people more.

I used to emote-look at everyone but eventually it was like - dood. I don't know if I want to interact with your character yet, because I have no fucking idea who you are, with that hood up of yours. And you can't "look figure's mdesc" so that won't work either.

So now, I generally just type look figure. UNLESS I have reason, interest, or need to interact with that person, no matter who they end up being (like, random raider #46 in the red desert, who forgets to warn my pc not to look)

And when people do that to me, and they don't emote anything special about it, I just assume it's the player wanting to know whether or not my character is interesting enough to them that they'd want to engage in some are-pee.

When a whole bunch of them look one right after the other, I immediately type "examine me" to see if I'm glowing or bleeding profusely or floating or enshrouded by shroudy shadowy shrouds or something. And if I'm not, I -might- have my character respond to the sudden interest in her, by asking the crowd if they were really -that- bored before I showed up

Quote from: Kiara on June 30, 2012, 02:02:21 PM

Quote from: Lizzie on June 30, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
But, I didn't turn my head. I was already looking in that direction, and you showed up. I didn't change my vantage point at all. Nothing about ME has changed. My eyes are still looking at the exact same piece of tavern space as it was 2 seconds before your character chose to occupy it. Now, if you expect me to continually spam

emote is looking at a spot near the entry

over and over and over again, because change ldesc won't allow me to display that unless I'm standing up or sitting on the floor..

then I guess the only response I have for you is

the same response I had in my last post: you need to relax and stop obsessing about something that isn't important.

Also, it IS about you. If it weren't, you wouldn't have posted. Your opinion applies to your situation.  If I'm getting 10 spam-looks at MY character, and *I* don't give a shit, then you have no reason, need, or entitlement to give a shit either.

So every pc is simply staring blankly at the general direction of the door? because without a emote that's exactly what every pc is doing, unless in conversation. So when a pc walks into the 'space' as you call it, everyone is already looking at that 'space' so they don't have to emote looking at you or towards you.

All I have to say to that is wow.

Yes because you know exactly where everyone was looking, facing, or what they were doing -before- you entered the room right? According to you, one cannot simply look at someone with a shift of their eyes without craning their neck and having some sort of out of the ordinary expression on their faces? They're supposed to emote out looking like a bunch of meerkats every time they look at someone?

These are serious questions because that's what I'm getting out of your posts.

I like where this thread has gone. We're all in a very special place right now.

Before people being a pile of turds gets this thread locked, I just want to pop in to say that I support emote-less looks being 'hidden but noticeable' a-la the assess command. I also don't think anyone should feel guilty about 'the look-spams' because it is necessary to use the look command to play the game, so do what you gotta do.

Ok, continue flaming, I'm sure Nyr will be by in a minute or two.

Rise with me, my brethren! Together, we will not give a shit.

> l figure (not appearing to give one or even two shits)

Quote from: Is Friday on June 30, 2012, 02:36:34 PM
Rise with me, my brethren! Together, we will not give a shit.

> l figure (not appearing to give one or even two shits)

emote eyes ~friday morbidly.

I love the fact that looks echo, because it basically lets me know whether I'm hidden or not.

Quote from: Synthesis on June 30, 2012, 03:11:17 PM
I love the fact that looks echo, because it basically lets me know whether I'm hidden or not.

Um..

Just because you have successfully hidden, doesn't mean my character can't see you.

from help scan:

QuoteThis skill allows a keen use of observational techniques and good vision
to spot invisible and hidden persons. Any such persons will appear as
shadows or blurs only.

I don't always play Armageddon, but when I do, I fuckin' 'l' at EVERYONE. The only time I might not look at someone is when I already have a ton of screen scroll and I don't want to throw a splat of text in the middle of it. Shit, I'll look at other PCs more than once in a single encounter!!!

It's this funny thing how this is a text-based game, and the primary way to gather visual, auditory and uh... er, "smell-itory" data is to hit up that look command. I don't throw PC descriptions into a note file or anything, so if I want to see how someone or something looks, I look. Man, I didn't even realize "look spam" was an issue, I thought it was primarily a concern of sensitive and meta-gaming raider and 'gicker types. I guess I'm leaning towards the "make it noticeable like assess" opinion now. Hate to think I'm shattering immersionz with the most basic and necessary information-gathering command in the game. Though, if that change were made, I'd miss being able to do command emotes with it that are guaranteed to be seen.

And is it really a discourtesy to have a player experience your character? As others have mentioned, it can often be the first step in an interaction. The burden isn't on the gemmer to constantly emote his gem, I can simply look at him and at least have an inkling of where our characters stand, and how to interact. And it's solely off of that "visual" queue. Looks are a necessary part of experiencing and interacting with the game world, as well as other player characters.

The way I look at it is the pc's are the ones that stand out, which is why we are the ones that write the story.  This is why we are the ones that get looked at and is why we notice the other pc's as they enter the bar.  The Pc's represent the heroes, the villians, the commoner, the noble, the mundane, the magicker and everything between those.  As Pc's we are the ones that are conspicuous, distinctive, or prominent., so get used to being looked at.

Quote from: Kiara on June 30, 2012, 11:10:27 AM
Look, I don't care if you call me silly or stupid for posting about something I find rather annoying. But again it's also another one of the reasons I hate posting on the GDB because 80% of the GDB population degrade and insult you.

Hrm. I hear ya. I think it's because when they post something the same thing happens to them.

The spam look thing though...Seriously, just get used to it. Be proud. Revel in the attention for a brief moment until everyone has looked at you. :p

Quote from: Lizzie on June 30, 2012, 03:18:38 PM

Quote from: Synthesis on June 30, 2012, 03:11:17 PM
I love the fact that looks echo, because it basically lets me know whether I'm hidden or not.

Um..

Just because you have successfully hidden, doesn't mean my character can't see you.

from help scan:

QuoteThis skill allows a keen use of observational techniques and good vision
to spot invisible and hidden persons. Any such persons will appear as
shadows or blurs only.

Dear, if you can see me with scan, it means I'm not hidden.

Quote from: Maso on June 30, 2012, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: Kiara on June 30, 2012, 11:10:27 AM
Look, I don't care if you call me silly or stupid for posting about something I find rather annoying. But again it's also another one of the reasons I hate posting on the GDB because 80% of the GDB population degrade and insult you.

Hrm. I hear ya. I think it's because when they post something the same thing happens to them.

The spam look thing though...Seriously, just get used to it. Be proud. Revel in the attention for a brief moment until everyone has looked at you. :p

Yeah.

Quote from: Lizzie on June 30, 2012, 01:54:13 PM

emote is looking at a spot near the entry

over and over and over again, because change ldesc won't allow me to display that unless I'm standing up or sitting on the floor..

I never knew this until today.  All those sprawlings at the bar wasted.

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