Should there be a seperate surrender option besides nosave?

Started by Vettrock, July 01, 2004, 11:03:08 AM

Should there be a seperate surrender flag?

Yes, This would be great, I want to surrender to the Militia, but I don't want to give up my other saves.
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No, the current system is good enough.
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July 01, 2004, 11:03:08 AM
I think there should be a seperate flag for surrender, which would allow you to always surrender to the guards of a city-state, but wouldn't make you automatically fail all of your saves.  

Realistically speaking, most of my characters would surrender to the guards rather than resist, but they wouldn't submit to being subdued by somone else, or accept being poisoned, etc.
Vettrock
July 01, 2004, 12:19:17 PM #1
This has been brought up before.  Not a new command just a set of parameters for 'nosave'.

nosave law (don't resist NPCs that are law enforcers for the city you are in)
nosave clan (don't resist anything done by clanmates)
nosave magic (don't resist any magick)
nosave all
July 01, 2004, 12:21:26 PM #2
Add 'nosave none' to your list, in case you want to save vs. everything.
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July 01, 2004, 12:23:51 PM #3
Wouldn't that be...nosave all?
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July 01, 2004, 12:25:12 PM #4
Quote from: "JollyGreenGiant"Add 'nosave none' to your list, in case you want to save vs. everything.

Nosave off already exists, doesn't it?  That turns off refusing saves and sets you back at the default of saving against everything.
July 01, 2004, 12:26:14 PM #5
Quote from: "mansa"Wouldn't that be...nosave all?

No. I believe:

>nosave all

Would mean you would not resist anything, while:

>nosave none

Would mean you save against everything...
July 01, 2004, 01:40:25 PM #6
Either through a new command altogether, or as an argument to nosave, I vote for a "noresist" option.
Noresist would auto submit to being subdued, but nothing else.
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July 01, 2004, 02:04:04 PM #7
However it is implemented, as I've said on the couple other threads that have brought this idea up in the past, I'm down.
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July 01, 2004, 03:11:21 PM #8
A fantastic idea.  Lets do it.
July 01, 2004, 06:27:35 PM #9
we've been over this. It's a good idea.

Why don't you idea it ingame? The boards are the last place immortals tend to look for ideas.

Email the mud.

Something.

as suggested before, you can bind "You are wanted" event to input "nosave on." It's a solution, albeit not perfect.
July 01, 2004, 07:56:41 PM #10
It would change the game for the better.

We've had this idea bouncing around for so long, my guess is it isn't going to happen for a very long time. We're still waiting on the brew changes, right? How long has that been? Seems the things that would benefit everyone get passed over in favor of pet projects that cater to certain groups.
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July 01, 2004, 09:38:34 PM #11
Quote from: "Callisto"It would change the game for the better.

We've had this idea bouncing around for so long, my guess is it isn't going to happen for a very long time. We're still waiting on the brew changes, right? How long has that been? Seems the things that would benefit everyone get passed over in favor of pet projects that cater to certain groups.

I'm sure lots of hard working immortals would be offended to hear this.

But I'm sure it happens at times, too, since immortals seem to get to choose their own projects. It isn't dictated by anyone.
July 01, 2004, 09:41:51 PM #12
Quote from: "Callisto"It would change the game for the better.

We've had this idea bouncing around for so long, my guess is it isn't going to happen for a very long time. We're still waiting on the brew changes, right? How long has that been? Seems the things that would benefit everyone get passed over in favor of pet projects that cater to certain groups.

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July 01, 2004, 10:16:17 PM #13
Quote from: "Callisto"It would change the game for the better.

We've had this idea bouncing around for so long, my guess is it isn't going to happen for a very long time. We're still waiting on the brew changes, right? How long has that been? Seems the things that would benefit everyone get passed over in favor of pet projects that cater to certain groups.

It would change the game for the better.  Some things that would get passed over, due to how hard they are to code or whatever factor involved.

How quickly did we get watch though, after it was brought up again?  And thats something that to me affects more people than this, which mainly affects criminals.

The boards are important to bring up stuff like this, though I feel a voluntary immortal base should be allowed to choose what projects to build, code, etc.  Sure, it may not be beneficial to your PC or even PCs outside one clan, but if it enriches the game world then lets not be too critical.
July 02, 2004, 01:13:52 AM #14
Quote from: "Xan"How quickly did we get watch though, after it was brought up again? And thats something that to me affects more people than this, which mainly affects criminals.

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July 02, 2004, 04:21:48 AM #15
I figure only about 4 more years, First instance I can remember of splitting up nosave or adding a command to surrender was about 4 years ago. Not long really, Though I tend to agree with a few others, though it would be nice, I don't see it as priority...actually, I've never even needed it, but watch, Man, I'm still tickled.
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July 02, 2004, 10:33:07 AM #16
The one thing I have always hated was that it is called "Nosave" It is confusing to me .. maybe I am just stupid, but I am constantly forgetting.


Does nosave on mean that I am not resisting arrest or is that nosave off?

NoSave.. I think Not saving.  Ok

Nosave On.

SO when I am attacked does this mean that I am not going to be saved? No it means the opposite...  

Why not call it "resist" and "do not resist" Much easier to understand.. In a pinch, it would be help if I did not have to think about what it was.

As for different levels of the Nosave.. I like that too.. But I would like if it were changed to resist.

And Carnage, I do "pay".  So does that mean I can speak my mind now? Is that Ok with you?  :roll:

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July 02, 2004, 11:56:45 PM #17
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Can I special app again now, Nessalin?

This is corret Carnage, but they ask for ideas from
the players which is how the game got to the level
of uberness which it is at now.
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July 03, 2004, 02:59:56 AM #18
Brief summary without really reading:

1) Yes, a surrender toggle will be good.

2) It took a long time until Watch was implemented.

3) You don't pay for the game or for anyone's work here so don't complain about delays or which feature gets added first.

Thank you.  Case closed?
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July 03, 2004, 11:41:33 AM #19
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On another note...

I don't like it..
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July 03, 2004, 01:31:10 PM #20
Quote from: "Carnage"SHUT UP YOU PLAY THIS GAME AND DON'T DONATE A PENNY! THIS GAME IS FREE THE STAFF PUTS THEIR TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT! They do this on a volunteer basis and all you do is take advantage of it by adding constructive criticism well if you don't like the way things are then go play elsewhere.

Can I special app again now, Nessalin?

That wasn't constructive criticism.
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July 03, 2004, 02:36:27 PM #21
For all those referring to my post, it was a satirical spin on the oh-so-helpful responses such as these:
Quote from: "Larrath"3) You don't pay for the game or for anyone's work here so don't complain about delays or which feature gets added first.
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July 03, 2004, 02:40:22 PM #22
Can't you just make a thread in the Idle Chat forum to show us all how unafraid you are to stick it to The Man instead of doing the bull in a china shop thing in a perfectly reasonable thread?

I know, I know, I'm not the boss of you.  I'm just saying.
July 03, 2004, 02:42:25 PM #23
I assumed that you were sarcastically supporting Callisto, I just wanted to point out that her criticism wasn't constructive.
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July 03, 2004, 07:54:00 PM #24
Quote from: "EvilRoeSlade"I assumed that you were sarcastically supporting Callisto, I just wanted to point out that her criticism wasn't constructive.

Sure it was.
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July 03, 2004, 08:09:39 PM #25
Quote from: "CRW"Can't you just make a thread in the Idle Chat forum to show us all how unafraid you are to stick it to The Man instead of doing the bull in a china shop thing in a perfectly reasonable thread?

CRW is correct.
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July 04, 2004, 02:49:11 AM #26
The main difference between constructive criticism and nonconstructive is the tone in which you criticise.  That came off to me as just whining.
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July 04, 2004, 04:50:17 AM #27
As did your post.
Can you take it to PM before completely killing this thread?
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