Hated Trends

[jhunter]

People actually do this? :roll:  Sad. :cry:

[sarahjc]

Honestly that does suck, I never hide who I am on my clan boards.. but hearing that gives me second thoughts...

[Anonymous]

Honestly that does suck, I never hide who I am on my clan boards.. but hearing that gives me second thoughts...

Well, I'm not saying it's true, because you'd have to be on staff to even be able to see a trend.  But it certainly sounds believable.

I've never imagined myself the target of it, though.

[Carnage]

People actually do this? :roll:  Sad. :cry:

I've never had it happen to me, or really heard of it being done, but I'd rather play it safe than sorry.

[Rindan]

My most hated trend at this very moment?  People disliking or being aggressive towards a character when they find out who plays that character or what other character that person has played in the past.

That is a pretty easy one to solve, just don't tell people who your character is or who your characters were.  It takes all of 5 minutes to set up a hotmail account and new GDB name for clans.  From that point on people can only guess who you are based upon style, which at best is going to be a shitty guess that will be made even shittier if you simply change up who and what you play.

In other words, don't play the victim.  There are a lot of easy ways to get out of such a situtation.  If it is a concern, just spend the five minutes it takes to avoid it.

[sarahjc]

Honestly, it sucks that anyone would -have- to do it.. It's not playing the Victim. It's just irritating and flat out really crappy that you would have to take extended precautions like that. And for what? Because someone else has anger managment issues and a hard on to find out who you play.

Sorry.. but that's just bull shit.

[Seeker]

On the flip side, however, it is just as unrealistic to have your friends know who you play and for their characters to treat your PC more kindly because of that.

I see that as a more common problem, actually, and every bit as potentially damaging to realistic RP.

That being said, though, I find that I -do- like to chat with people about what I like and where I am at in my experience of the game, and have made a few friends from Arm with the use of IM services.

Its a fine line to walk, and I hope that my IM friends will realize that when my PC needs to screw them over royally and OOC explicit permission for the graphic tortue that must follow, that they will be appropriately understanding, and we can still enjoy our little chats.  :shock:


Seeker

[Anonymous]

Sorry.. but that's just bull shit.

And reality.

I'm not saying I like it.  But I also lock my door at night.

[Cenghiz]

I'm guilty....

On the flip side, however, it is just as unrealistic to have your friends know who you play and for their characters to treat your PC more kindly because of that.

I know which char all my friends play. We all know each other. We also do group RP whenever we can, ones telephones to all others that are suitable to RP with. We even arrange some RP situations OOC like, "hey I'm gonna hunt tonight, if you wanna join, be in Gaj at midnight"...
But one of them killed one of my chars lately.. It was completely IC. So we don't help, we just RP together. Thanks to fortune none of us is a thief. Or it would be too hard to forget about OOC knowledge.
But what you say is true. After a game month passes, we behave like real buddies. We share the tent, the tools and kanks sometimes, we chatter and drink together in tavern, defending each other's character against any agreession.
Are we doing wrong?

Note: I had to watch a newbie friend's game to tell him about emotes. He was brilliant! Do you think I may go on watching him playing, supposed that I'm 100% sure we'll never be friends IC this time, according to the character I applied for?

[mansa]

I like being killed by my friend at highschool and then walking over to him and screaming at him saying, 'why did you kill me you jerk!'

Fun times...

[grog]

You must be playing in Tuluk currently.

My characters do make it the most important thing, becuase there have been serious problems before concerning a lack of water. If someone asks you for water next time just say tough shit.

Some of my characters will ask for water, even when they have three full skins hidden in the bottom of their packs.  Because water is expensive, why not use somebody elses, if they are stupid enough to give it to you?

[Cenghiz]

I like being killed by my friend at highschool and then walking over to him and screaming at him saying, 'why did you kill me you jerk!'

He just slapped me to wake me up while I was looking at the screen, at the mantis head blankly. We were in neighbour computers. Then I opened my mail prog, applied for special app, the psionic defiler assassin mul with two steel katanas. Bah! You rejected it. I would avenge!!  :evil:

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I don't care, generally, if someone knows who I play. I also don't care if they see my name on the clan board. I DO care if they bring any OOC feelings into the game. I don't. If they do, then they are not roleplayers, and so, do not belong here.

The safest method by which to assure complete IC play is to allow no one to ever know your characters, to never speak to another Armer online, and to not attend an APM. Unfortunately, this turns us into the reclusive geeks who supposedly play this game.

I think that, for the most part, folks will stay IC. We have a rather mature player-base. However, you will have your malcontents. The best thing that I can suggest is for you to get to know your OOC freinds before speaking about the game to them in any sort of IC fashion.

I can't tell you to never speak to another player. But I can most certianly tell you to never let your OOC friendships or hatred dictate your IC actions.

[Akaramu]

But I can most certianly tell you to never let your OOC friendships or hatred dictate your IC actions.

If someone seriously develops OOC hatred over a game... I feel very, very sorry for them.

[jhunter]

Crap, I wouldn't even care if someone I knew OOC killed my pc with theirs as long as it was all IC.

In fact, I've often thought of having someone make a pc along with me...start in different locations, but have a history with each other that makes them want the other's head on a platter...play it out and see what happens (if anything) because of it.

[Angela Christine]

I rarely know who plays what (except in annoying clans where everyone announces who plays what and when their play times are) so this has never come up, but I can see it happening.

A character's behavior is infulenced by their player's playstyle.  

Sure, it might be IC for your character to stand on the north road and PK anyone who walks by, but it is IC because you -chose- to create that kind of PC.  Many players may never play a character who intentionally goes around killing other humanoids (PC or NPC).  Killing _people_ is a heavy thing, even for soldiers.  So if I knew that a certain player had a penchant for playing murderers, then I might avoid their future PCs, because the chance that that character will be a murderer is much greater than average.  Sure, each of his characters may have a good IC reason to be a murderer, but that is only because they wrote up a background designed to create a plausible murder.  Likewise if I knew a player was prone to behavior I considered twinky, I would be suspicious that their future characters would also be prone to twinky behavior.

You create the background that creates the kind of character you like to play.  Plenty of players like playing outdoorsmen, even though 90% of the virtual population would be terrified of leaving the city, so they create characters that have some reason or excuse to need or want to leave the city.  That behavior is not typical of the population, but is typical of segment of the PC population.  Likewise you can create a character that is prone to behavior that directly harms other PCs.  Most of the virtual population are not raiders or murderers, but a disproportionate segment of the PC population is.  Trusting a PC that you know is played by a chronic PKer is like eating a fruit that you know is poisonous:  It may be good RP, but how many times do you have to eat the poisonous fruit to prove that you are a good roleplayer?  

I don't know.  Like I said, I don't know who plays what.


AC

[spawnloser]

Meh...I know that people know who I play.  Some through playing in the clan and seeing my name attached to my character.  Oh well...I will not be using this account name for any future clanned characters.  That's one thing...however, still, I know of at least one person that figured out who I was without that...and without knowing any of my previous characters were played by myself.  That kind of thing can happen...and people are social idiots at times, telling people things thay they maybe shouldn't.  Either way, we should all be mature enough to understand that no matter how much you may hate a character, the player nor their future characters are that character...nor is any character of a person's the person, so hating either person or character should not reflect on the other.  Grow up, is all I have to say about this situation.

[sarahjc]

I don't think it's a big deal for people in your clan to know who you play. You have to trust that they are responsible enough not to assume that you and your character are one and the same. Do I think it should be public knowledge.. no.  But if who my characters is leaks into the public knowledge a bit.. do I really care.. No. Not really.

It does bother me that there is suspicion in our player base that people would take OOC issues into their IC Pc lives.. To the point where some they feel the need to make alias tag names.  I think that is really shitty.

I mean even though I pick on Carnage every chance I get, I'd never think if his PC killed mine that it was due to OOC irritation. And he is one of the angriest guys on the boards.

Maybe I am leaving myself open to be a victim, but I just can't be that cyinical.

[Seeker]

It is usually less an issue of PKing then other more subtle factors.

Once I was in role that allowed me to do hiring for a clan, and in the middle of an interview, the player of the person I am interviewing sends me an e-mail stating pretty much: "Hey!  This is George.  Hire me already you dick-nose!"

The description was different, but I now -knew- how this new character was likely to be played, I now knew that this new character knew all the stuff that George used to, and besides that, I didn't care for George much as a human or trust him as a player.

George and I had RPed together in the past, and it was once necessary for us to exchange info (cc: IMM and Mud account).  I really, really wish that I HAD changed my contact points after that.  I wish that George had never associated my GDB name with my e-mail, with the character I was playing.  It totally ruined my meeting his new character honestly.

I don't think his intent was malicious. But he dorked my ability to be surprised and discover his character for myself.  

I didn't hire him, but I had to spend some time checking with myself to make sure it wasn't because I didn't like George, but because my PC didn't find his PC appropriate.  I would rather not have to do that extra examination of my motives if I can help it.  Takes me out of my own PCs head.


Seeker

[sarahjc]

Well I understand that, but at that point, why not just tell George, in the most polite way possible. Look, I think your a cool guy, but please don't expect me to hire your pc based on personal OOC association. I'm sorry but it makes me uncomfortable to associate you to your PC's. Then don't think about again. And hope that Gorege learned a valueable lesson.

This is why I don't think that the majority of the players should know who you play. But the ones that you are clanned with, for some reason I am OK with that.

I am gulity of speaking with Mud friends that know who I play currently. And they are pretty trustworthy and my interaction with them OOC has nothing to do with the PC's we play. I agree there is a fine line though. And knowing that a freind of yours plays this PC, can have some kind of effect on play.

I think it's trully best when I don't know.

[Trenidor]

With my OOC interaction, we all keep our names, desc, and sdesc hidden to each other so that none of us know who we are without research...I don't go out of my way to research who they are, which makes it funner. Sure we tell what funny stuff happens to our chars, and even acidently give away key things that would give away our character, but none of us actually go forth to find out who we are.

I guess it's best to have ooc friends you can trust.

[John]

On the flip side, however, it is just as unrealistic to have your friends know who you play and for their characters to treat your PC more kindly because of that.

I try to kill my friends off Well. Only 1 time. But I only had an IC reason to 1 time

Are we doing wrong?

I'll just say it's not something I would do. Saying who you play (to a degree) is (IMO) alright. However I wouldn't take it beyond that. One time I had planned to make an apprentice in a certain profession. My friend was playing a character in the profession, so I asked what city she was in. That's all. I didn't learn what her sdesc was, her name, anything. All I knew was what city she played in.

As it turns out, I didn't end up making the role (she died before my character did). But I see nothing wrong with that. People make player-run clans on the GDB all the time. But I prefer to let my relationships either float or sink. I don't work it out so they're more likely to float then sink

[sarahjc]

So I sort of take back my original statement on this, someone whom I think was pretty cool OOC, figured out who I played IC.. Though all and all I don't really mind them knowing. I would have preferred not to attach them to their PC. I am sort of disappointed in player not so much knowing who I am, but making me aware of who they were in a very clear way. I really didn't need to know nor do I think I wanted to.  

But *shrug* It's too late now..

[What are you playing now?]

A while back I played a character who had a friendship with a Krathi. My character died and a couple of characters later, my then character ended up with the same Krathi.  My first character was psychotic but she genuinely cared for the vile magicker but the second character was just a user and befriended him to get anything she could out of him. One thing led to another and the krathi and my character ended up boyfriend and girlfriend, my character had worked hard on gaining his trust so when she called him over to her apartment (which she shared with her other lover) he came immediately.  We killed him.

I have immense respect for the player of this Krathi and we had started having a friendship off game right until that point. Enough time has passed now that when we do speak it's not awkward but it never fails, I always think about what happened with those two characters and how it changed our relationship outside the mud.

I would suggest that people make a new GDB name for each character as well as a new email address.

Expect people who like to roleplaying with you to ask you who you are, I hate the question but always feel compelled to answer, even if it's a downright lie. You also want to expect people calling you out and telling you they know who you play and if it gets to be too much, don't be afraid of telling people to back off and then blocking them. Like someone said, I like discussing Armageddon with people who love it as much as I do, I just keep only the people I trust absolutely on my visible lists and sometimes go into a group setting like IRC.

[jhunter]

The way I see it, if someone is going to use OOC knowledge for whatever reason, for/or against my pcs then it is THEIR poor rp and not my problem.
I'm still going to play my pc the way they are regardless and deal with everything IC.