Hunting

[jmordetsky]

I think non-agro monsters that flee on sight of another animal or PC, should have escape pattern scripts.

For example, if a npc animal flees now, it usually just goes one tick and then hangs about like business as usuall. It would be cool if when it fled, it did a random, n,e,n,n,w. To mimic running for it's life.

This would make things alot more interesting and the 'hunt' skill much more useful to a player.

Thoughts?

[Delirium]

I like it.

[Lazloth]

Because it isn't enough of a hassle as is?  No thanks.

[Delirium]

Would help cut down on those 5 duskhorn and 3 ritikki a day type hunters. I don't see how the added realism would detract too much from the chase & life of a hunter. Instead of forcing yourself to find a reason to only be able to hunt one or two animals a day, you would actually be lucky to hunt 2-3 animals a day.

Though.. I would want to see it a bit easier to sneak up on auto-flee mobs before flee patterns are introduced.

[Anarchy]

I dont think they are fleeing for their life, its more of a "Oh somthing strange, im going to keep my distance, i'll run a league south." When you do catch them and attack them, they fight back. Running after duskhorn as it is, is well, ick, just glad i got sneak.

[UnderSeven]

Mixed feelings.

I agree the more npcs scrips we have to make the world seem more alive the better.  But I also feel that untill the current npc scrips are better working, we shouldn't be requesting new ones.

(Of course it's purely oppinions if they're even broken or not to begin with)

[gfair]

If there are NPC scripts that aren't working, I certainly haven't seen any.

The idea is highly consistent with what we see of animals in our real world.  Any hunter, especially a bow hunter, will know the difficulty or ease of hunting certain animals.

For example, some deer, I believe Mule Deer, will not simply flee, they will flee in a half circle, and come back up behind you to get a better look.  Some animals, like certain Quails, can range greatly depending on the particular species.  I've seen Quails fly up into a tree upon sighting me, but sit there like a stone on a branch while we shot.  I practically protested, that isn't fair, but that's what you get with some animals.

A lot of African quadrupeds will flee a short distance, i.e. the one-room flee.

This is a good idea, I like it, and some day would like to see it added, when possible.

Then make skinning more realistic.

I mean...you kill a carru and ruin the whole thing.
Make it take longer or something. Make it be like crafting take several minutes to complete. At the very least when you kill and try and skin something man-size or above, you WOULD get enough meat to eat of it.
I find it mind boggling unrealstic that you can ruin a whole carru or say a bahamet no matter how bad at skinning stuff you are.

I for one wouldn't be averse to a few minute crafting style delay on skinning, with perhaps a bit easier material gathering, if not on that at least on the meat...Perhaps there is a set delay say 1 minute for something the size of oh a skeet. For every size class increase you have to add another minute delay.
Or stages yeah stages. If it has a three minute delay every minute it gets carved into a new stage with materials produced. First minute horns, second minute meat, third minute hide for something like a duskhorn. Bleh.

[growingall]

Then make skinning more realistic.

I mean...you kill a carru and ruin the whole thing.
Make it take longer or something. Make it be like crafting take several minutes to complete. At the very least when you kill and try and skin something man-size or above, you WOULD get enough meat to eat of it.
I find it mind boggling unrealstic that you can ruin a whole carru or say a bahamet no matter how bad at skinning stuff you are.

I for one wouldn't be averse to a few minute crafting style delay on skinning, with perhaps a bit easier material gathering, if not on that at least on the meat...Perhaps there is a set delay say 1 minute for something the size of oh a skeet. For every size class increase you have to add another minute delay.
Or stages yeah stages. If it has a three minute delay every minute it gets carved into a new stage with materials produced. First minute horns, second minute meat, third minute hide for something like a duskhorn. Bleh.

Yes.. I like that.

Longer skinning time, but perhaps both meat and other products if skilled and lucky.

[John]

Or stages yeah stages.

This was imp'd on some animals AGES ago. I don't know if it was kept or not due to lack of interest. But yes, this was in game (and quite possibly still is in game).

[SailorMars]

Then make skinning more realistic.

I mean...you kill a carru and ruin the whole thing.
Make it take longer or something. Make it be like crafting take several minutes to complete.

I like this idea a lot. Could go faster as the skill advanced, but should start slow. As is, it takes like no time at all -- other than what the player emotes.

[Sakra]

I know the stages was added to mekillots, but how many people hunt those for a living? I think it should be added at least to bahamets also, since they are also a huge beast, but are at least killable. Then give us a month or so to test it out.

[UnderSeven]

Whenever new code that could kill you is being tested I always feel like it might be a time to avoid playing in that area of the game for a while.

[spawnloser]

Um...U7, how is skinning life-threatening?  I'm missing that one.

On to the most recently discussed part of this topic, I too find it wholly unrealistic that you can chop up a moose-sized creature and not get one meal (at the very least) from it.  I do like the time/easier thing...your check would not be for whether you got something and what you got, but simply what you got.

[Anonymous]

Um...U7, how is skinning life-threatening?  I'm missing that one.

Maybe if you wait too long to skin a body, it will explode.

[jmordetsky]

*chuckles with mirthful glee*

Even odder then the thing exploding...

Once moved to a nearby nature preserve, the male specimen -- the largest whale ever recorded in Taiwan -- drew the attention of locals because of its large penis, measured at some five feet, the Taipei Times reported.

[Vositus]

*chuckles with mirthful glee*

Even odder then the thing exploding...

Once moved to a nearby nature preserve, the male specimen -- the largest whale ever recorded in Taiwan -- drew the attention of locals because of its large penis, measured at some five feet, the Taipei Times reported.

omg! lolollolool
Mobys Dick!!!11%6//slashslash

Ick.

[Forest Junkie]

Because it isn't enough of a hassle as is?  No thanks.

Weee! Ain't it a BITCH as it is chasing a damned auto-flee creature on foot! I'm with Laz.

I mean, in rll, let's say you slaughter a cow, gee we got one steak to share amongst the family. Hell no, you have meat for a very long time(if you can store it). Let me reiterate some ideas about how skinning could be improved.

1. Make it take longer. 1 minute MIN, 3 minutes AVE.  So along with finding the critter, and killing it you have to skin it. Would make mass slaughter hunts less viable. Based on size of critter. Sort of like a crafting thing where you can be interupted etc if you try and do something else.

2. Make it give a lot more meat. Even for not so great skinners at LEAST one piece and usually a lot more. Leave the horns, chitin, hide the same chance as now. One Duskhorn should practically make someone encumbered by the meat alone and a Carru..sheesh. Why? Well then they will have to return to town sooner because they have too much meat weight.  If they leave the meat then they are being  unrealistic in a survivalist world in most cases. Sick the tribal elves of that area onto them for killing needlessly. Perhaps some concern about selling too much meat in the shops. Possibly. But one or two beasts get skinned that market wil dry up soon. Hunter could live on the meat alone from its kills? Dunno about that, possibly reduce the price the shops buy at.

3. Have different stages for especially large animals perhaps. Possibly already imped. Each stage with at least 1 minute time.

I think these ideas might help folks NOT to hunt too much or HAVE to in the first place. Might not want to stop every 3 rooms to hunt game when you are supposed to be making a trip to do something else, etc.

[Crashloft]

No..

[Canadian Beaver]

To the scripts, I say no. I'm with Laz, it's hard enough as is.

To the change in skinning I'd agree, I always find it hard to rp
when I manage to ruin all the meat on an animal. I mean, I
might suck at skinning, but there's no way I shouldn't get at
least one piece of meat.

Perhaps split skinning into two skills? Butchering for the meat
and skinning for everything else. After butchering you'd end
up with a butchered carcass and could still skin it. Or after
skinning have a skinned carcass and can still butcher it.

[Forest Junkie]

Make it take longer. 1 minute MIN, 3 minutes AVE.  So along with finding the critter, and killing it you have to skin it. Would make mass slaughter hunts less viable. Based on size of critter. Sort of like a crafting thing where you can be interupted etc if you try and do something else.

Perhaps lower the time just a -tad- for the time it takes to skin. Other than that, I agree with dEd nEwb 100%.

[sacac]

How can skinning be dangerous?
IRL when your skinning something, it takes a long time and that is almost mostly what you think about, right?
So, Let me say this. Who's to say something couldn't easily sneak up on you when your not paying attention like you should?

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I say add in the scripts and give Dead Newbie's ideas their due. I like it. Yeah, it would become harder to catch certian animals. So the fuck what? You wouldn't have to hunt for a week!

This would make hunting more rewarding, and less prone to twinkish levels, while still providing the food needed. A carru should give out a good ten steaks, not to mention the antlers, hides, and a few bones as well. Make each script something with a weakness, or predictability, for those who studied the animal. Make sneaking work for those who knew how to sneak outdoors, and play into factor storms, wind direction, and probably sweat on your clothes, simulating the animal smelling you.

[Agent_137]

Skinning is dangerous depending on what's around you. You are kneeling on the ground by a corpse up to your arms in dead critter with your weapons not in easy reach. It's dangerous because you are not well defended.


As far as meat from animals...
Remember when you killed a bear in Oregon Trail back on your old AppleIIe? You'd kill a bear, a couple of deer, and a rabbit, just for shits and giggles:

You have killed 823 pounds of meat, but can only carry 100 back to the wagon.

Then later:
Little Dolly starves to death.