Subguild Overhaul Questions

[Halaster]

Ask 'em here!

[Halaster]

Question:  Do full guild elementalists get stat bonuses?
Answer:  Yes, full guild elementalists each get +1 wisdom

[Halaster]

Question:  Can I change the subguild on my existing character since it's one that went away?
Answer:  No, the subguilds we eliminated still exist in the code and game, they're just not options you can pick in character generation.  You just can't pick them on new characters.  Your skilltree on your own subguild will remain as it was before and you won't have any issues with branching.  We are not going to change subguilds for existing characters, however.  Consider yourself the last of your kind!

[Halaster]

Question:  Will I get the stat bonuses for a subguild on my existing character?
Answer:  No, you won't, they are only applied at character generation.  Not retroactively to existing characters.

[Trevalyan]

1) Will we lose skills that are normally branched for our new subguilds if we already have them?

2) If we should have new skills for the changed subguild, but they're not on our list, what do we do?

[Halaster]

1) Will we lose skills that are normally branched for our new subguilds if we already have them?

2) If we should have new skills for the changed subguild, but they're not on our list, what do we do?

1) No, you won't
2) Wish up or put in a request.  I -expected- based on the code that everyone would get missing skills, but so far I'm seeing that as hit or miss.  I might have to do another code push to force that, but for now, wish up  or put in a request.

[DesertT]

1.  If I melt dry ice, can I swim without getting wet?

2.  Will there be any design or development for mundane subguilds that require karma?
     For Instance:  Subguilds that give a couple/few Master-level skills?  Be that combat, stealth, perception or manipulation.

These could require 2 or 3 karma and give more options to higher-karma players for mundane choices instead of just HG and Mul.

Thanks Much!!

[Kaathe]

If subguild skills overlap with main guild do they still take the higher starting value, higher cap, and lower branch retirement? Any new interactions?


PS love the changes.  been eager for this since I came back to play.

[Mellifera]

Has there been any consideration given to a return of full guild psions yet, given this subguild overhaul? Seems like the overhaul might fix one of the stated issues with them.

[mansa]

If subguild skills overlap with main guild do they still take the higher starting value, higher cap, and lower branch retirement? Any new interactions?


PS love the changes.  been eager for this since I came back to play.

I don't believe there is any underlying change in how the Class / Subclass gets combined when you create your character.

Here's an example:

Class:   Musician

Skill	Starting Proficiency	Max Proficiency	Branching Proficiency
Brass Instruments	10	70	60
. Trumpet	10	70
String Instruments	10	70	60
. Guitar	10	70	60
. . Bass Guitar	10	70
Percussion Instruments	10	70
Vocals	10	70

Subclass:  Jazz Guitar

Skill	Starting Proficiency	Max Proficiency	Branching Proficiency
String Instruments	30	60
Guitar	30	60	50
. Bass Guitar	30	60
Percussion Instruments	30	60

When you make a character with Musician + Jazz Guitar subclass, you enter the game like this:

Skill	Starting Proficiency	Max Proficiency	Branching Proficiency
Brass Instruments	10	70	60
. Trumpet	10	70
String Instruments	30	70
Guitar	30	70	50
. Bass Guitar	30	70
Percussion Instruments	30	70
Vocals	10	70

[mansa]

It looks like 3 (new) subclasses are not enabled yet.

[Halaster]

1.  If I melt dry ice, can I swim without getting wet?

2.  Will there be any design or development for mundane subguilds that require karma?
     For Instance:  Subguilds that give a couple/few Master-level skills?  Be that combat, stealth, perception or manipulation.

These could require 2 or 3 karma and give more options to higher-karma players for mundane choices instead of just HG and Mul.

Thanks Much!!

No plans as of now.

[Halaster]

If subguild skills overlap with main guild do they still take the higher starting value, higher cap, and lower branch retirement? Any new interactions?


PS love the changes.  been eager for this since I came back to play.

The best of each for your character.  So, you get the higher starting value, higher max, quickest branching between the two.

[mansa]

Since subclasses now give stat scores...


If you pick subclass_none, and then pick a subclass after a few days played, do you get the bonus to your score at that point?

[Halaster]

Has there been any consideration given to a return of full guild psions yet, given this subguild overhaul? Seems like the overhaul might fix one of the stated issues with them.

No, there's generally no intention of doing that with psionicists, we like them as subguilds actually.  Unlike mages, I think they work quite well like they are.

[Halaster]

Since subclasses now give stat scores...


If you pick subclass_none, and then pick a subclass after a few days played, do you get the bonus to your score at that point?

The stat bonus gets added when you pick the new subguild, yeah.

[Windstorm]

Unlike mages, I think they work quite well like they are.

Whether in this thread or another, could you elaborate on this?

[mansa]

Reaver - does it get two-handed?  (does not say in help file)
Hunter - does it get sneak?  (does not say in help file)
Con Artist - does it get scan?  (does not say in help file)

[Halaster]

Reaver - does it get two-handed?  (does not say in help file)
Hunter - does it get sneak?  (does not say in help file)
Con Artist - does it get scan?  (does not say in help file)

No to all three, they don't get those skills

[Trevalyan]

Logged in again post-hotfix release. Still don't have additional skills that should be in my revamped subclass.

[flurry]

In cases where a subguild was removed for redundancy with another subguild, do existing characters of either subguild get the skills of the remaining subguild?  To clarify with a fake example, if there had been Silt Pirate and Master Silt Pirate, and the Master Silt Pirate was removed for redundancy, do characters with Master Silt Pirate get the skills of the Silt Pirate class?

[Halaster]

In cases where a subguild was removed for redundancy, do existing characters of either subguild get the skills of the remaining subguild?  To clarify with a fake example, if there had been Silt Pirate and Master Silt Pirate, and the Master Silt Pirate was removed for redundancy, do characters with Master Silt Pirate get the skills of the Silt Pirate class?

Yes.  In cases where subguilds were consolidated, the new one gets all the skills from the previous ones, and generally with the higher skill max too.

[Trevalyan]

Logged in again post-hotfix release. Still don't have additional skills that should be in my revamped subclass.

Other people might have my problem when reading the Google spreadsheet. The help files are now definitive for things like skill availability and branching.

[wizturbo]

It looks like 3 (new) subclasses are not enabled yet.

Is this a new tool?  where can I get it?

[Usiku]

https://www.armageddon.org/tools/charapp