Let's talk BONDAGE!

[Riev]

There is not, if you can stand, you can flee. And bash doesn't always knock down for a consistent amount of time, so you'd have to have some sort of combat trigger. And like subdue, even if this skill was at master, unless you're a half-giant you're not even remotely assured of any sort of success.

What if a successful bash initiated 'reel' code, where <x> seconds after a bash, if the attacker disengages, it breaks combat fully? So you can bash them, change their position, and subdue them on the ground, or emote holding a sword to their throat.

[Riev]

But guise...

WHAT IF

[Shoka Windrunner]

Isn't there a poison that takes care of them fleeing?  Maybe a couple?

[Jihelu]

Should you have to resort to poison that has to be reapplied as opposed to being able to tie someone to a bed?

[Shoka Windrunner]

Should you have to resort to poison that has to be reapplied as opposed to being able to tie someone to a bed?

That's a good point.  I think, from game balance vs reality, it's pretty easy in RL to tie someone up, but game balance-wise it needs to be -somewhat- difficult.  Otherwise it's game breaking.  I suppose a Bondage skill might be appropriate.   

Along with code to struggle hard, or struggle softly, like trying to carefully untie or cut the ropes as is shown in most movies and shows.  Chance of noticing based off sneak skill dunno.  Hmm.

So, my thoughts I guess, similar to Bandage, must be holding a rope, length of twine, leather cord etc.  So 'bondage amos'.  'You start to hog-tie Amos.'  Or, 'You don't seem to have anything to hog-tie him/her.'

Cannot be in combat.  Must be subdued, or unconcious.  Either we hold you down and hog-tie ya, or your lights are out and hog-tie ya.  Requires one person to subdue another to bondage if using subdue.  Can bondage solo if target is unconcious.  If asleep, maybe chance of awakening target (if capable of becoming awake) which would be considered a hostile action, starting combat with a delay for the bondage user for game balance and chance to flee?  Maybe have to hold rope with both hands, or have one hand empty and rope in the other?  Be hard to tie someone up with a single hand actually.

Bondage skill + item bonus (if any) = hog-tie value (hog-tie value maybe adjusted by item bonus instead of skill, this makes a bit more sense, good braided leather is probably harder to escape than thick hemp rope due to tightness possible with the two different 'ropes' for a random unthought out example)  Stuck in sitting/resting as only two options for 'stance' probably resting.  Resting means there are already limits to what you can or cannot pick up (you can't reach the chest with escape tools from here message), so would keep from rummaging through that chest to find a pocket knife, but bottle on the floor could be grabbed and broken?  I guess I don't think you can do that without holding it...I don't know, that all could come later...

Struggle command lets you attempt to loosen or remove bonds.  Decreasing or 'damaging' hog-tie value.  Hog-tie value 0 or less and you are freed.

Struggle based on skill or strength + agility stat?  Probably just stats to keep it simpler.  Possible bonus for knife in inventory or hand, though not likely in hand.  Can maybe retrieve knife from a container worn on body but large delay to accomplish and echo to room showing you are contorting yourself to do so?

Can 'struggle hard' to subtract from hog-tie value in larger amounts, but this is completely visible.  Can 'struggle hidden' to attempt to slip the ropes/break the ropes without being noticed.  Bonus to not being noticed based on sneak or hide (hide seems more apt in my mind) skill if any, agility otherwise, damage to hog-tie value decrease is small, but less likely to result in a punch or clubbing to the face as may go unnoticed.  Bonus to detect if watching checked against scan skill vs hide/agility.  Otherwise what...wisdom vs hide/agility?  So still dangerous to try if you aren't good at being a hider.

Something like that maybe.  I don't know the state of the code so no guesses as to how hard to add all this, of course a 'struggle' and 'bondage' skill would need to be created, tested, and then added to guilds or all characters.  At least 'struggle' should be on everyone's list, unless it is just based on stats, then it's just a command similar to mount.   Attempts to do something like 'east' would echo to the 'bondaged' character, 'You can't do that as you are tied up!  Try to 'struggle' to free yourself!'  Maybe just using 'struggle' defaults to 'struggle hard.'

That seem balanced and make sense?  Did I miss something obvious?

[Jihelu]

I'd much rather just see it use the flee skill.

Anyone can flee.
People with the skill flee a lot better.
Etc.


That way some people can be better than others but you still have a chance of doing it either way.

[Shoka Windrunner]

I'd much rather just see it use the flee skill.

Anyone can flee.
People with the skill flee a lot better.
Etc.


That way some people can be better than others but you still have a chance of doing it either way.

Simpler.  Easier.  I'm sure the coders would like simpler easier. 

Well probably easier to add to an existing skill than to create another from scratch and distribute it.

I'm not entirely sure, but I got to thinking after posting and I might be thinking of a different game, but isn't there something like this in the game already?  An item or something someone can be released into that is hard to escape?  Stocks or an iron maiden or something?  I may be completely remembering wrong though.

(no probably not an 'iron' maiden but ya know...I don't know what to call it in Z)

[650Booger]

if you get put in captivity for more than a RL day, there should be some OOC communication about arranging meeting times for continued roleplay, so at least the captive doesnt have to just log in and sit around waiting for somebody to show up.

[The Warshaper]

Rope bonds - Agility check to wriggle free.
Mechanical bonds - Pick Lock to disable them and get free.
Sleight of hand to make attempts unseen.
Break free - Strength check to attempt to use sheer power to break bonds. Cannot be hidden.

Seems like a fun/silly time to be had by all.