In-game Titles: Questions

[Armaddict]

I also think this sums up Cayuga's initial post and GDB reaction pretty well.

I'd agree, if the original statement was closer to 'I've decided that it's now wrong to drive within eight inches of the double line on the road.'

I think you really need a GDB break. You're being really ugly for no reason.

Oh don't be so ugly.  The above is where I see the true comparison; overregulating on something that is not really creating a problem aside from a few things every now and again.  I think I've been fairly straightforward, but that is not ugly.  People saying 'Sir' or 'Miss' are not the equivalent of lawbreakers or drug dealers in a community.  They're people drifting near a line without crossing it.

I'm sorry that I don't fulfill your expectation for the -correct- way to disagree, but after all, I -am- just taking a knee during the anthem to show that I think this is not going to work well, so to speak, with words to express why.  You not liking the words doesn't refute them or make them wrong.

[BadSkeelz]

Could a master of martial arts be called master? Or a caravan master? While they may not be the master of a slave, they are the master of something, and be the reason someone is showing them respect by addressing them as such.

Who decides that so and so is a master of martial arts or a caravan master? It's not like there are guilds in-game where you get a certification of sort.

To me the term master denotes control or authority. So if someone is in control of or authority over something, that would make them a master.

The new documentation is solely addressing the use of these words as honorifics in regards to societal rank. The words are not being expunged from the in-game dictionary. I think you could get away with calling a Caravan Master a Caravan Master as it's a job title. It might be even an official title within a Minor Merchant House dedicated to caravans.

Being a "Sword Master" is a trickier case to figure out, but they're so rare I'm not too worried about it. I'm sure referring to someone as a "master swordsman" because they can chop fuckers up really well with bone swords won't raise any eyebrows.

[Armaddict]

What BadSkeelz says is that we're actually going to be in the same boat as before, using common sense and good judgment the best you can, but with a new helpfile to argue about its context.

Totally better than a private communication.

[TheWanderer]

And baiters? Is the term "master" still applicable for baiters???

[Armaddict]

And baiters? Is the term "master" still applicable for baiters???

As long as it ends in ah instead of er.  Mastah Baitah.  Or is that victorian/english?  What is the typical sirihish accent in terms of typing it out?  Can we document this?

[boog]

I also think this sums up Cayuga's initial post and GDB reaction pretty well.

I'd agree, if the original statement was closer to 'I've decided that it's now wrong to drive within eight inches of the double line on the road.'

I think you really need a GDB break. You're being really ugly for no reason.

Oh don't be so ugly.  The above is where I see the true comparison; overregulating on something that is not really creating a problem aside from a few things every now and again.  I think I've been fairly straightforward, but that is not ugly.  People saying 'Sir' or 'Miss' are not the equivalent of lawbreakers or drug dealers in a community.  They're people drifting near a line without crossing it.

I'm sorry that I don't fulfill your expectation for the -correct- way to disagree, but after all, I -am- just taking a knee during the anthem to show that I think this is not going to work well, so to speak, with words to express why.  You not liking the words doesn't refute them or make them wrong.

Um. No. Sorry that it wrecks the ingenue cutesie characters' ability to appear childish in their appeal. But your every post in this thread is sarcastic and unnecessarily aggressive. It's not funny. You're coming across like a jerk.

[Armaddict]

Well.

I didn't resort to name-calling.

I'm sorry that I sound like a jerk to you and that you dislike criticism that isn't done the way you want it done.

[boog]

Criticism doesn't have to be excessively mean or sarcastic. There's absolutely no field in life, besides politics, where I can think of where it's okay to bite down and make snide comments all of the time when something's going on that you dislike.

You're being excessive and it's frankly alarming. This was just a suggestion. They want us to move away from that speech in game. I fail to see how it's as world shattering as your responses make it out to be.

[GithMaster]

Criticism doesn't have to be excessively mean or sarcastic. There's absolutely no field in life, besides politics, where I can think of where it's okay to bite down and make snide comments all of the time when something's going on that you dislike.

You're being excessive and it's frankly alarming. This was just a suggestion. They want us to move away from that speech in game. I fail to see how it's as world shattering as your responses make it out to be.

That's like. . your opinion,  man.

[boog]

Okay. I'll wait while you explain to me what place in life that insults and excessive sarcasm and unhappiness about a tweak in a game you play online is valid to fling around.

Because it's never fair to be that ugly. I don't know why everyone is so salty.

[BadSkeelz]

Okay. I'll wait while you explain to me what place in life that insults and excessive sarcasm and unhappiness about a tweak in a game you play online is valid to fling around.

Because it's never fair to be that ugly. I don't know why everyone is so salty.

People don't generally like being told "you're doing It wrong" when "It" is something they've been doing without any apparent trouble for years. People react especially badly when told "some people are doing It wrong, and we're not going to say who," which just leads to people second-guessing themselves and getting defensive.

Armaddict's the most extreme and salty reaction, but the reaction itself shouldn't be surprising.

Cayuga: I'm declaring war on gendered honorifics for commoner PCs.

Objecting Players: But Cayuga, I use gendered honorifics for commoner PCs!

Like most Rule Change GDB Tempests, we'll all just adapt and get on with our lives in a couple of days.

[boog]

And I'll just be over here, sipping some water and trying to gingerly nudge the kids back into line.

[Miradus]

And I'll just be over here, sipping some water and trying to gingerly nudge the kids back into line.

Unless you mean YOUR kids, I found THAT comment more insulting than Armaddict's saltiness.

Don't need an internet mom and like hell am I going to be nudged.

[boog]

Oh, Miradus. I just always try to be a mediating, gentle party. I'm not being mean about anything. Maybe you and I can talk sometime and then you'll realize I'm 95% of the time being humorous.

But, back into line: I think this is fine. I think that if we all have to tweak just a bit to make the world cooler, I'm for it.

[Malken]

As long as we can still use m8 in-game, I'm okay with the new changes.

[boog]

u wot m8

[GithMaster]

Okay. I'll wait while you explain to me what place in life that insults and excessive sarcasm and unhappiness about a tweak in a game you play online is valid to fling around.

Because it's never fair to be that ugly. I don't know why everyone is so salty.

Look at your language. Excessive. Never Fair. Ugly. Salty.  AKA opinions. Also, people complaining about game changes? Besides porn, that's why the net was made.

[boog]

I think you guys are overreacting and being really poor in your expression of your dissatisfaction.

Reiloth said that communication is a two way street via the request tool. I sure hope that's being used by us as players instead of posting on the GDB and acting like Zalanthas is shattered because we don't agree.

[WithSprinkles]

My thought is.. We have a highly opinionated and strong-willed player base. There's nothing wrong with that. It's that push that leads to creativity and awesome RP.

The issue here might in some instances an uneasy push back against being stifled. It's not so much a bad thing to be told that such and such doesn't fit with the game setting in and of itself. This is just a nudge saying what is not preferred, but as it stands, it might be leaving some at loose ends, "What the heck am I supposed to call this person?"

Things are being added to documentation, so as has been said, let's really fill that documentation out. Expand on the "What You Know" file and include cultural cues from each playable locale. Badskeelz pointed out some threads and having things like that documented instead of scattered on the forums would be helpful to new and old players as well as give us neat easter egg docs to play with.

Maybe opening up the floor to dialog about acceptable alternatives might help? The way I see the game may be different from others, but I have seen it as.. you can weave things into the narrative of the world. Phrases and attitudes, fashion trends and fads. "Big" wasn't popular, but it was a part of the lexicon for a while. And it was Zalanthan. Let's have more of that and sort it out IG when we think something is dumb.



On titles, well... People actually kinda like having a polite address for others. Yes, we're all dirty commoners in the eyes of the templarate or the nobility, but that is not how we in the trenches see each other. It could be something commoners never do in front of the upper class, their secret between each other.

Things are heated on both sides of the argument so maybe we can just find a way to stand on opposite sides and still agree on how to handle it.

And wow, you guys posted a lot since I started this post.. yeesh.

[Miradus]

Oh, Miradus. I just always try to be a mediating, gentle party. I'm not being mean about anything. Maybe you and I can talk sometime and then you'll realize I'm 95% of the time being humorous.

But, back into line: I think this is fine. I think that if we all have to tweak just a bit to make the world cooler, I'm for it.

Alright. My apologies then. I don't know you and humor doesn't always come across well in the interwebs.

The change is half a gesture. I want the other half, is all. Something to say INSTEAD. Don't take away. REPLACE.

Because people have different forms of address in literally every culture. Some are honorific, some are just polite ways to address a stranger. In Chicago, "Hey buddy" isn't offensive. In Texas, it's not done so if you hear it then you're on your guard.

There's formal speech, informal speech, honorifics, etc. I can understand if the nobility in Allanak gets uppity because they hear a commoner given an honorific. The nobility there is like that. But as a blanket game rule it's really, really jarring and I feel like we need our own custom somehow to replace the anachronistic Western civilization one. Give me the Zalanthan version of "Waddup, Dawg?"

Because I freakin' know the next time I use "miss" in the Gaj there's going to be eight people OOC about how wrong I am and refer me to the helpfiles.

[GithMaster]

I think you guys are overreacting and being really poor in your expression of your dissatisfaction.

Reiloth said that communication is a two way street via the request tool. I sure hope that's being used by us as players instead of posting on the GDB and acting like Zalanthas is shattered because we don't agree.

I think you are over reacting to a differing opinion and a little sarcasm. I hope you stop acting like Zalsnthas is shattered because someone dared to have an opinion and also dared to express it.

[boog]

I completely agree and I think that the documentation you and WS want to see will go up. And maybe we should make suggestions here, or in requests, rather than dissolve into snarky comments on a post that makes staff unwilling to want to interact with us at all because we have such extreme dismay at such a ... neutral? initial post.

So, what do you guys think are appropriate titles to address people as? I usually just use names, or made up nicknames. Maybe that's a give as to who I'm playing, heh.

[boog]

I think you guys are overreacting and being really poor in your expression of your dissatisfaction.

Reiloth said that communication is a two way street via the request tool. I sure hope that's being used by us as players instead of posting on the GDB and acting like Zalanthas is shattered because we don't agree.

I think you are over reacting to a differing opinion and a little sarcasm. I hope you stop acting like Zalsnthas is shattered because someone dared to have an opinion and also dared to express it.

Oh, sweetheart, the GDB isn't Zalanthas. I just want people to treat each other well out of game. In game? Treat 'em however you feel appropriate to your character.

[GithMaster]

I think you guys are overreacting and being really poor in your expression of your dissatisfaction.

Reiloth said that communication is a two way street via the request tool. I sure hope that's being used by us as players instead of posting on the GDB and acting like Zalanthas is shattered because we don't agree.

I think you are over reacting to a differing opinion and a little sarcasm. I hope you stop acting like Zalsnthas is shattered because someone dared to have an opinion and also dared to express it.

Oh, sweetheart, the GDB isn't Zalanthas. I just want people to treat each other well out of game. In game? Treat 'em however you feel appropriate to your character.

Stop being a condescending jerk and it might help.

[boog]

I'm not. I'm sorry that you're reading it that way. I really hope you have a good day. Light and love.