Feedback Poll: A new name for Rebel.

[Ender]

I think the only skills I would need on an outlaw subguild for a non-ranger would be climb and wilderness quit.  If there a subguild that only had those two, I'd take it, even if it didn't have directional sense or any of the other skills rebel already has.

[Desertman]

Yeah if we are going to do "Outlaw", wilderness quit seems like a necessity in a lot of ways. Outlaws aren't exactly the "Put Down Roots" sorts usually.

[RogueGunslinger]

Wilderness quit seems nearly trivial these days to me. You just need to know where the wilderness quit rooms are. And if they're too dangerous or far to get to you can quit OOC. I'd never take a subguild with only climb and wilderness quit.

[Delirium]

You clearly overestimate how available quit rooms are and underestimate how suddenly/frequently people might need to log out.

You can't quit OOC twice in a row, either.

There are classes and subguilds that absolutely should have wilderness quit yet ranger is the only one with access to it.

Just make it so everyone can quit out everywhere and call it a wrap. Quitting is an OOC mechanism, not an IC one.

[nauta]

You clearly overestimate how available quit rooms are and underestimate how suddenly/frequently people might need to log out.

You can't quit OOC twice in a row, either.

There are classes and subguilds that absolutely should have wilderness quit yet ranger is the only one with access to it.

Just make it so everyone can quit out everywhere and call it a wrap. Quitting is an OOC mechanism, not an IC one.

Related: RGS's solution privileges veterans over novices, since it relies on knowledge of where Quit rooms are.  I had a recent case where I wanted to explore a certain area (that didn't have quit rooms very close by) but my busy schedule meant I pretty much couldn't.  I'm all sorts of for more wilderness quit, for casuals, those of us with busy schedules, and also, especially, for outlaws -- raiders need all the help they can get.  (You could call it Inlaw instead of Outlaw: for when the inlaws come.)

[RogueGunslinger]

I agree people should be able to quit ooc as many times in a row as they want.

But I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself here.

Wilderness quit seems nearly trivial these days to me.

I wasn't giving any solutions, I was explaining why a subguild with only wilderness quit and climb would be incredibly unappealing... to me.

[ghostymudy]

Outdoorsboy

Why not Outdoorsgirl?     I'm so fucking triggered.

Check your fucking privilege, patriarchy sympathising slumlord/lady/xad.

[hopeandsorrow]

You clearly overestimate how available quit rooms are and underestimate how suddenly/frequently people might need to log out.

You can't quit OOC twice in a row, either.

There are classes and subguilds that absolutely should have wilderness quit yet ranger is the only one with access to it.

Just make it so everyone can quit out everywhere and call it a wrap. Quitting is an OOC mechanism, not an IC one.

This... please.

I play lots of rangers, beyond their awesome skill set.  Wilderness quit is too much of... a need some days for me.

It's that or risking a character every time my toddler tries to sneak out of bed at midnight or my cat decided to lock himself in mortal combat with a lamp.  I'm sure any parent/pet owner could sympathize.

[Case]

Outdoorsboy

Why not Outdoorsgirl?     I'm so fucking triggered.

Check your fucking privilege, patriarchy sympathising slumlord/lady/xad.

Girls have the house servant and apothecary options!

[Case]

Check your fucking privilege, patriarchy sympathising slumlord/lady/xad.

They're called Founding Fathers for a reason yo

[Jingo]

Still no female rulers in Zalanthas.

[LauraMars]

Let's stay on topic please

[Malken]

Outlaw makes it sound too much like it would come with steal and pistol-whipping.

[Inks]

Outlaw makes much more sense than Wastelander. I mean this class doesn't come with skin or food forage. Pretty simple.

[Malken]

Outdoorsman-lite, then.

[AdamBlue]

Is there an extended subguild that gives food forage, climb, direction sense, and outdoor quit?

[BadSkeelz]

Is there an extended subguild that gives food forage, climb, direction sense, and outdoor quit?

There are no subguilds, extended or otherwise, that give outdoor quit.

I think Grebber gives everything else you ask for.

Outlaw makes it sound too much like it would come with steal and pistol-whipping.

If Outlaw/Rebel and Thug were combined into an extended "Raider" subguild...

Kick subdue flee sap wilderness-sneak climb direction-sense armor-repair spear+knife-making.... Mmmm.....

[Inks]

Just wanted to say rebel will be a real powerhouse now.

Now give Acrobat throw please.

[lostinspace]

I played a pretty long lived character with the rebel subguild a while ago. I think the addition to climb is HUGE. I'm honestly a little worried about the power of this subguild if it has access to climb as well now, let alone giving it wilderness quit. I'll probably respond in 3-4 hours with a writeup for the help file.

That said my personal preference is wastelander. I think the names Outlaw and Guerilla are bad names for the same reason that you are moving away from the name Rebel. Outcast and Drifter are fine names, and I only picked Wastelander over them because I like the sound of it. I think the new name should definitely NOT imply a militant outlaw background, because it should be left to the character to do that if they so chose.

If I could pick any name to give the Rebel, it would be Pioneer. The definition of pioneer is "a plant or animal capable of establishing itself in a bare, barren, or open area and initiating an ecological cycle ".
This impresses the idea that the subguild is for those that want to explore and interact with the wastes, perhaps even spend long times away from established towns and cities, and it lets you, by allowing you to fix your gear and make new gear as stuff breaks down.

[BadSkeelz]

If I could pick any name to give the Rebel, it would be Pioneer. The definition of pioneer is "a plant or animal capable of establishing itself in a bare, barren, or open area and initiating an ecological cycle ".
This impresses the idea that the subguild is for those that want to explore and interact with the wastes, perhaps even spend long times away from established towns and cities, and it lets you, by allowing you to fix your gear and make new gear as stuff breaks down.

My objection to "Pioneer" is the same as "Wastelander": nothing this subguild has actually allows you to establish or survive in the wasteland. You don't have forage food and water, you don't have hunt.

The subguild's built for foot travel through the wilderness while evading detection.

[KankWhisperer]

Explorer.

[RogueGunslinger]

If I could pick any name to give the Rebel, it would be Pioneer. The definition of pioneer is "a plant or animal capable of establishing itself in a bare, barren, or open area and initiating an ecological cycle ".
This impresses the idea that the subguild is for those that want to explore and interact with the wastes, perhaps even spend long times away from established towns and cities, and it lets you, by allowing you to fix your gear and make new gear as stuff breaks down.

My objection to "Pioneer" is the same as "Wastelander": nothing this subguild has actually allows you to establish or survive in the wasteland. You don't have forage food and water, you don't have hunt.

The subguild's built for foot travel through the wilderness while evading detection.

Scout.

[lostinspace]

Scout.

Actually yes, this is pretty much perfect.

[BadSkeelz]

Scout.

I like it. Not sure I like it more than Outlaw, but I like it better than the other choices.

[Inks]

Scout.

I like it. Not sure I like it more than Outlaw, but I like it better than the other choices.