Play in Tuluk

[Nyr]

why do you need a second or third choice?

If one can select multiple choices in order of preference rather than a single choice as a single preference, it provides a better picture of tolerable preferences/favorites for everyone.  For instance, if your first choice is Allanak but your second choice is Tuluk, you're likely to be just fine with your second preference if the first option is unavailable (you just played there, you are bored with it and want a change of scenery, etc).

If you're talking about something actionable, if Tuluk was not a top 3 preference for a majority of players, yes, that might be a problem worthy of some review.  Seeing as how there are a significant (if you're going to argue that the numbers are fair/reasonable/etc) amount of players willing to play there as-is right now, I tend to doubt that would be the case.

If you're going to argue that the numbers on the polls are a fair cross section, then I'll point out other discrepancies that call into question the usefulness of either:

Approximately 30% more players are interested in expressing their opinions on a poll about Tuluk than a poll about their favorite place to play (83 for one poll, 64 for the other).  If nothing else, it points to the fact that there are 19 people that could have weighed in on the other poll, but didn't.

More players are willing to express their opinion that they'd be willing to play in Tuluk, period, as-is (41 people) than there are players that are willing to express their opinion that they'd play in Allanak first (35 people).  If nothing else, it points to the fact that preferences do matter:  you can think Allanak is your favorite city and still be willing to play in Tuluk.

3 players are more willing to play in a place that doesn't exist as a playable location...than play in a place that actually exists in the game, as a first choice.  If nothing else, this skews results for favorites.

I still don't think it is a useful poll.

[X-D]

Alright....first off...statisticly Tuluk would almost have to be in the top three...there is only 5 choices...only one other choice is even a city state.

So actually if you wanted an accurate poll you need only two choices. Then assign the % that would be actionable.

As to the rest, i already agreed that one poll is useless. Half the people likely voted only in defense. So i am not exactly sure why you keep bringing it in.

[genmaicha]

I want to add that I think the reason the magick/psionic defenses answer is so low is because there's rarely a reason to be in the position to be a nonmundane who is seriously testing the defenses of the city, and then some people might think it fine and dandy anyway after one isolated event without knowing everything that could have happened. Some players don't know what undertuluk was like either, and probably assume it was Tuluk's labyrinth, which I don't feel is quite accurate.

I wonder how many players are constant travelers who stay in a city because the taverns are full and go to the other one when they're empty without a real "home base."

[Nyr]

As to the rest, i already agreed that one poll is useless. Half the people likely voted only in defense. So i am not exactly sure why you keep bringing it in.

All three things I pointed out are about the poll you like/comparing it to the other poll that we both don't like.

[X-D]

My bag, I was posting from my phone and it tends to skip around.

And to clarify, I never said I like either poll, but one at least has somewhat viable information is all.

[Incognito]

Um, it does not take that into account because none of that matters to the question of the poll.

The question is simply, of areas to play, where is your first choice. Period.

Even that is limiting and makes it a generally useless poll.  For instance, what is your second choice?  What is your third choice?  This is not an election in the States where winner takes all.  Players play in many places and gravitate to what they enjoy...some because they like the idea of a concept there and have always wanted to try it out, some because they got a sponsored role there, some because "screw it, I'll give a delf a shot for a week or two."  All we requested here was to give a bit of a shot in the arm to playing in Tuluk so that some other plots can be encouraged forward.  You do not need to have Tuluk as a first choice for more people for that to happen.

That poll is the most meaningful of the two, And if I was in a position that mattered to the mud, I would want to start finding out exactly why it came out as it did and what can be done to fix it.

Well...

Polls not providing meaningful data: GDB polls only net the people that read them.  If we want statistics, it is better to measure what players actually do rather than what they say they will do.

I'd argue that in this case, there is nothing to fix.  The poll is not reliable or useful towards any actionable end; people (at least people that have GDB accounts that used one or more of them to vote in a poll on the GDB) are allowed to think that their first choice for playing a PC would be playing it in Allanak--if that is what this poll shows.

1) The 2 polls were meant to get a feel of what the players think and want - casual - and not some sort of in-depth study.
2) As a player, GDB polls are the ONLY tools that are available for any sort of research - however rudimentary or crude or incorrect they may be.
3) As far as players saying something else and wanting something else - there's really nothing anyone can say on that statement....
4) As far as "there being nothing to fix" - again, I'm not gonna argue on that. Maybe we can revisit these points 6 months down the line and see if the skewed Tuluki population has auto-corrected itself - as mentioned earlier (i.e. player bases being cyclic in nature).

Last but not the least - I've never mentioned anywhere, that the purpose of the polls was to "get Staff to do *anything*"

[Reiloth]

Tuluk seems to have a fine population, at least right now.

[Fujikoma]

Tuluk seems to have a fine population, at least right now.

I have to agree. I mean, it's not mind-blowingly huge, mind you... still, more players more problems, like I said in another thread it's kind of jarring when someone brings some Nakki behaviors into Red Storm or the rinth, or even Luir's. Lots of stuff to unlearn. To you folks playing there now, wanted to say, from my ignorant perspective, really doing a good job keeping it real.

[little chicken woman]

That's probably the only thing about Tuluk for me, I'm never sure if I'm behaving correctly. I'm sure other people feel that way too and I just have to get over it.

[RogueGunslinger]

I can't keep saying I wouldn't mind Tuluk being completely wiped out without basing that in some experience playing there. So I'm going to give it another try, really go for it this time. Inked, loyal, that whole shebang.

I encourage others to do the same. Come play in Tuluk. Even if it's only just to prove to yourself you don't like it.

[CodeMaster]

I can't keep saying I wouldn't mind Tuluk being completely wiped out without basing that in some experience playing there. So I'm going to give it another try, really go for it this time. Inked, loyal, that whole shebang.

I encourage others to do the same. Come play in Tuluk. Even if it's only just to prove to yourself you don't like it.

Probably my next PC.  It's probably like most things in life where you get out of it what you put into it.

[little chicken woman]

You should all come play clayworkers with us and explore that particular niche while you prove how much you prefer Allanak.

[CodeMaster]

You should all come play clayworkers with us and explore that particular niche while you prove how much you prefer Allanak.

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[Patuk]

How are clay digging and operating a Way sex line related?

[CodeMaster]

Too subtle to describe.     

[Bast]

Still debating what to play now...You know I have never once played a Pc from Tuluk and can count the number of times I've been in that city on one hand. I have been playing since 2004 or 2003? I might give it go.  I just never liked the cast system and it just seemed like of the two cities it was least likely to have a cast system. Also I love my mages 

[MeTekillot]

you'd think a city with a cast system would be all about mages

[HavokBlue]

I don't understand why someone would have a problem with the caste system unless mudsexxing nobles and templars was like the highlight of their arm experience

[Is Friday]

I don't understand why someone would have a problem with the caste system unless mudsexxing nobles and templars was like the highlight of their arm experience

[MeTekillot]

I don't understand why someone would have a problem with the caste system unless mudsexxing nobles and templars was like the highlight of their arm experience

i don't have the patience for crafting to get mad $$$ and all my combat chars are shit so how else do you expect me to get anything done

[bcw81]

I don't understand why someone would have a problem with the caste system unless mudsexxing nobles and templars was like the highlight of their arm experience

i don't have the patience for crafting to get mad $$$ and all my combat chars are shit so how else do you expect me to get anything done

Sparring accidents?

[jstorrie]

tressies get paid just as much per emote in tuluk as they do in allanak; you just stroke different instruments. but it's the same thing.

[Zoan]

...Rofl, nice one. I'll pay it *fistbump*

[Case]

I don't understand why someone would have a problem with the caste system unless mudsexxing nobles and templars was like the highlight of their arm experience

because romance/seduction/cheating is a large part of conflict and competition.

nobles and templars are corrupt. it's a means of sharing in corruption. mudsexxing nobles and templars is a highlight of arm's experience


ps. so got laid as a southern templar  probably my favourite incident in that area of things was walking into the Red's Retreat, wasn't fixed back then, and tipping some badass hat to two chicks at the bar. Left without a word, both fine individuals contacted me at the same time to get to know me later, and I think I sexed one.

ps.2. or maybe the time a gemmer complained to me he couldn't get laid because the gemmed were all lezzers and wanted to hook up with my templar. never touched gemmeds no matter how hard they tried either.


ps3. So in non drunkspeak, it does contribute a lot to play, in all honesty. Offers templar and noble killing opportunities too. Also makes the noble role more fleshed out (lol)

[Reiloth]

It's an 'easy' way to contribute to political drama.

The political drama in Tuluk between castes is a little more mature because it isn't about that. Commoners have their dramatic relationship problems, while Nobles and Templars focus on the matters at hand.

Though it is an easy way to bribe a Southern Templar/Noble