Know who is Waying you.

[slvrmoontiger]

According to a question posed in Ask The Staff there is no IC reason its coded that way.

That post said no such thing.

You wish it did. But it didn't.

Because it is coded that way.

It does not say there is no IC reason why it is coded that way.

Re-read the original question. It was asked if there was an IG reason for it. That was the answer received meaning that it is simply coded that way. If there was an IG reason it should have been answered that there was.

You see, you saying, "If there is no IG reason it should have been answered the way I think it should have been answered." is not only inaccurate, it is comical.

The staff is not required to answer a question the way you believe they should answer it.

The Way is not required to work the way you believe it should work. (For reasons you have still yet to give btw.)

It does not say what you want it to say. End of story. The staff is not required to follow your answering rules, and they didn't.

Their answer could and probably did mean, "It is coded that way, for IG reasons we don't want to and will not tell you. We don't even want to confirm if there are IG reasons, for reasons we aren't required to tell you Silvermoontiger."

Sorry, thus is reality.

Interesting Desertman... Really interesting. I'm sorry I thought this forum was to post ideas of what you thought would improve the code. To ask questions. Not to get a Final answer from another player just because they believe their way is right and yours is wrong.

I don't believe you are wrong. I never said it shouldn't work the way you want it to work.

I just really want to hear your reasons for why it should work the way you want it to work. You have yet to give them.

The Way - Mysterious and psionics. Thoughts are transmitted through this form of communication.

When someone reaches your mind you should be able to tell a little about who they are or what they are. Maybe not a full description. If its someone you have Way'd before there should be some sort of familiarity about the particular mind.

Akin to other things like if you hear a shout from the north. If its someone you know you should be able to recognize who it is because you've heard their voice before.
Akin to if someone has a cloak up and they whisper or talk to you and you've heard their voice before you should know who it is.
Akin to if you see someone's tracks in the sand and you've seen that persons tracks before and know who's they are you should be able to know.

All of these things in real life you would know about. I understand codedly how the above examples are probably impossible. However, knowing the mind that contacts you shouldn't be impossible. It might be. I could be wrong.

[RogueGunslinger]

I agree with moontiger. You want to know why? Because it would be better that way. Arguing for the sake of arguing is fun and all, but D-man, you're really not helping with anything. You want to know why he want it this way? Because caller-ID is cool. It's useful in the real world, and it would be useful in the game.

That's all.

[manipura]

My new contribution, to try and keep up with the ongoing banter here:

Maybe you can recognize someone shouting a room away, maybe not.  That's sort of saying that any voice you have ever heard is going to be recognizable to you at any given time.  The code has no way of knowing how well you know a person, so by default you won't recognize their shouts.  Same with cloaked whispers.

Knowing who someone is because of their tracks?  How do you know that it was Bob the Breed who wears chalton boots that left these tracks, and not Betty the Breed who also wears chalton boots?

Meh.  Now we're on page two of this thread and my last post has been ignored.
*scrunchface*

[Knight of Knives]

Well for one, you aren't actually USING the Way when someone contacts you.

So it makes sense that the person expending stun knows who they contacted, whilst Amos doesn't get much of a picture as he's scraping salt.

[RogueGunslinger]

Ya'll really need to stop making "sense" of it. Unless you've got the staff's Psionicists documentation on hand, speculation is pointless.

Instead say why it would be good, or bad for the game.

[QuillDipper]

Well for one, you aren't actually USING the Way when someone contacts you.

So it makes sense that the person expending stun knows who they contacted, whilst Amos doesn't get much of a picture as he's scraping salt.

Another Psionic skill that uses up some stun to identify who is in contact with you?

[Knight of Knives]

Well for one, you aren't actually USING the Way when someone contacts you.

So it makes sense that the person expending stun knows who they contacted, whilst Amos doesn't get much of a picture as he's scraping salt.

Another Psionic skill that uses up some stun to identify who is in contact with you?

Might be beyond the reach of the average Amos.

[slvrmoontiger]

I just feel there is no IC reason why you shouldn't be able to know who is contacting you. If there is someone kindly explain it.

The IC reason is because it's the way it is?  It's the way staff intends it to be?  
Why should you immediately know -who- is in your mind just because they've reached you but haven't said anything?  When someone finds your mind, you feel a foreign presence.  It's a -foreign- presence because you don't know who it is.  Once they speak, then you know and it isn't foreign anymore.  It's like back in the day before caller ID.  Someone would call and you wouldn't know who it was, unless they said something.

Maybe I'm off with this, but I sort of see the Way like this:
* Someone, a foreign presence, finds my mind.  
Maybe this means I feel something in my head, a little bit of a fuzziness for a moment or a blip or a little wave or whatever you want to call it to describe it.  There's some indication in my head that my mindparts have been invaded by someone, someone has connected to me, but I don't know who.
* They linger and don't say anything.  
I don't continue to feel that strange feeling I had when they first slipped into my mindparts, this is why I don't get an echo of "You suffer from use of the Way", because they have exerted the mental energy to find me, not the other way around.  However, if I am relatively 'aware', I will know that they haven't left my head because I didn't feel the same fuzzy/blippy/wavy feeling when they broke their connection.
* They say something.
The presence in my head says something, yay!  Now I hear a thought in my mind, like someone else speaking in my head and I also have a bit of a mental image of them too because they have announced themselves to me.  So now I know that the little blip in my head is the tall, muscular man, because when he sends me a thought and I hear it in my head, the image flickering in my head is him.


It isn't the greatest explanation, but I think people sometimes want some sort of -visual- idea of how the Way works.  
That's the way that I personally think of it to come up with some sort of -how- this feels in my head and -why- it works the way it does.

Like I said this seems petty and childish for anyone that would sink to this low of a level when there are other ways. Plus its potentially dangerous for very REAL OOC reasons depending on how often its happening. Lets say 15 times in 30 minutes. I find that a little excessive and it shouldn't be allowed. Something like that is really petty and childish. Luckily for the character of mine in the past that happened to he wasn't anywhere dangerous and I could just laugh it off as someone being petty and childish.

Maybe it is petty and childish, but a lot of people (and therefore, presumably a lot of PCs) can be petty and childish.  It's the equivalent of that ten year old kid prank calling the kids in his class and hanging up without saying anything.  

I don't even know if I want to ask this, but I'm so curious that I can't -not- ask...How in the world is this "potentially dangerous for very REAL OOC reasons...?"

As well, SMT, I think you previously mentioned something about this behaviour being stopped by knowing the sdesc of someone in your head?  Also it would be stopped by having to have met the person before you can Way them?   I doubt this would stop anything.  I'd be willing to bet that the ten year old bully 'prank calling' your mind fifteen times in a half hour is someone that your character knows.  What would knowing the sdesc of the person in your head achieve anyway?  Does that mean your character would be constantly running to the Templarate/the Legion/the Arm/whoever and continually telling them "Amos keeps finding my mind and not saying anything!  Make him stop!"


Edited: Typo.  Meh.

Manipura

It might be that way. Sure. Could also be that someone you've had contact with or are close to or are bonded with you would know their mind intimately when they contact you. Other's that you have Way'd before you would have a faint hint about who or what they are. People you have never Way'd before you wouldn't know...

Of course the code doesn't keep track of this. And to make it do so would take a LOT of coding and a LOT of time. Maybe this is just a dream and not something that could work out Codedly speaking. Does that mean I should have never broached the topic? I thought this forum was to express ones beliefs about code they think would be of a benefit. I don't remember anything saying that if its not possible you shouldn't even discuss it. I could be wrong there as well.

[Desertman]

According to a question posed in Ask The Staff there is no IC reason its coded that way.

That post said no such thing.

You wish it did. But it didn't.

Because it is coded that way.

It does not say there is no IC reason why it is coded that way.

Re-read the original question. It was asked if there was an IG reason for it. That was the answer received meaning that it is simply coded that way. If there was an IG reason it should have been answered that there was.

You see, you saying, "If there is no IG reason it should have been answered the way I think it should have been answered." is not only inaccurate, it is comical.

The staff is not required to answer a question the way you believe they should answer it.

The Way is not required to work the way you believe it should work. (For reasons you have still yet to give btw.)

It does not say what you want it to say. End of story. The staff is not required to follow your answering rules, and they didn't.

Their answer could and probably did mean, "It is coded that way, for IG reasons we don't want to and will not tell you. We don't even want to confirm if there are IG reasons, for reasons we aren't required to tell you Silvermoontiger."

Sorry, thus is reality.

Interesting Desertman... Really interesting. I'm sorry I thought this forum was to post ideas of what you thought would improve the code. To ask questions. Not to get a Final answer from another player just because they believe their way is right and yours is wrong.

I don't believe you are wrong. I never said it shouldn't work the way you want it to work.

I just really want to hear your reasons for why it should work the way you want it to work. You have yet to give them.

The Way - Mysterious and psionics. Thoughts are transmitted through this form of communication.

When someone reaches your mind you should be able to tell a little about who they are or what they are. Maybe not a full description. If its someone you have Way'd before there should be some sort of familiarity about the particular mind.

Akin to other things like if you hear a shout from the north. If its someone you know you should be able to recognize who it is because you've heard their voice before.
Akin to if someone has a cloak up and they whisper or talk to you and you've heard their voice before you should know who it is.
Akin to if you see someone's tracks in the sand and you've seen that persons tracks before and know who's they are you should be able to know.

All of these things in real life you would know about. I understand codedly how the above examples are probably impossible. However, knowing the mind that contacts you shouldn't be impossible. It might be. I could be wrong.

None of those things have anything to do with psionic activity. Those are all audible/verbal representations of being familiar with someone through past dealings.

The Way is not a verbal/audible component. You are making the unfounded and unverified assumption that the Way works like talking, which has never been confirmed.

Those examples are not applicable to The Way.

What it boils down to is exactly what RGS said, which is what I have been trying to get out of you. I just prefer to let people think they have come to their own conclusions instead of me just "telling" them what they are thinking.

Basically, you WANT the Way to work this way because you would enjoy it more on an OOC level.

There is no justified IC reasoning, so your use of "IC'ly it makes no sense", is a failed and unsubstantiated claim in every way.

You just want it this way because you would enjoy it more this way and people would stop being able to rustle your jimmies by finding your mind and leaving your mind, which is the entire root of your complaint, as stated by yourself.

There is nothing wrong with that. You can want what you want. But, there is no IC reasoning or justification for it. Just say it's what you want if it's what you want.

[Molten Heart]

Maybe the IC reason is that your character just isn't that skilled with the Way.  The Way is mysterious et al.

[Molten Heart]

Whoops, double post.

[slvrmoontiger]

Maybe the IC reason is that your character just isn't that skilled with the Way.  The Way is mysterious et al.

Kind of hard to say this when your character has master in both contact and barrier. Only thing more experienced would be a mind worm.

[Molten Heart]

Maybe the IC reason is that your character just isn't that skilled with the Way.  The Way is mysterious et al.

Kind of hard to say this when your character has master in both contact and barrier. Only thing more experienced would be a mind worm.

Not being privy to the mysteries of the Way, I'd judge from the help file and say that there's probably more to the Way than just contact and barrier.  I'm not saying I know everything.  I am saying that I don't know everything.

[slvrmoontiger]

Maybe the IC reason is that your character just isn't that skilled with the Way.  The Way is mysterious et al.

Kind of hard to say this when your character has master in both contact and barrier. Only thing more experienced would be a mind worm.

Not being privy to the mysteries of the Way, I'd judge from the help file and say that there's probably more to the Way than just contact and barrier.  I'm not saying I know everything.  I am saying that I don't know everything.

Never claimed to know everything, however for purpose of this board and discussion anymore information about Psi skills beyond Contact and Barrier would be considered IC information.

[Desertman]

Maybe the IC reason is that your character just isn't that skilled with the Way.  The Way is mysterious et al.

Kind of hard to say this when your character has master in both contact and barrier. Only thing more experienced would be a mind worm.

Not being privy to the mysteries of the Way, I'd judge from the help file and say that there's probably more to the Way than just contact and barrier.  I'm not saying I know everything.  I am saying that I don't know everything.

Never claimed to know everything, however for purpose of this board and discussion anymore information about Psi skills beyond Contact and Barrier would be considered IC information.

Read Expel help file.

[Molten Heart]

Maybe the IC reason is that your character just isn't that skilled with the Way.  The Way is mysterious et al.

Kind of hard to say this when your character has master in both contact and barrier. Only thing more experienced would be a mind worm.

Not being privy to the mysteries of the Way, I'd judge from the help file and say that there's probably more to the Way than just contact and barrier.  I'm not saying I know everything.  I am saying that I don't know everything.

Never claimed to know everything, however for purpose of this board and discussion anymore information about Psi skills beyond Contact and Barrier would be considered IC information.

I agree, this is probably something best discovered IC.

[Rahnevyn]

You can assume there is an IC reason behind contact working the way it does for mundane characters. Even with master contact, master barrier, and master expel, a normal person's mind is not attuned to the Way enough to sense specifics about who is or isn't connected with it.

[whitt]

The staff is not required to answer a question the way you believe they should answer it.

Sorry, thus is reality.

This should be someone's sig.  Or maybe a nice sticky to put at the top of a display...  so much cutting and pasting...

[Lizzie]

You can assume there is an IC reason behind contact working the way it does for mundane characters. Even with master contact, master barrier, and master expel, a normal person's mind is not attuned to the Way enough to sense specifics about who is or isn't connected with it.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

The Rah hath spoken!

RAH RAH RAH! 

(PS: I agree)

[Nyr]

I've looked over and maybe I'm missing a post that explains this. I remember the days when there used to be no notification of someone contacting you, you would just get the message. Could someone please state why it is that you don't know who contacts you? Is it due to coding or is there actually a IG reason for this?

Thank You!

Because it is coded that way.

To elaborate:  it is coded that way because staff coded it that way, intentionally.  You're reading into that response too much if you read it as "it's just that way because we have no idea and that's just the code."  Your interpretation of what the Way should be isn't the same as what staff believes it should be.  When that changes, the code or documentation around it will change.

[Molten Heart]

You can assume there is an IC reason behind contact working the way it does for mundane characters. Even with master contact, master barrier, and master expel, a normal person's mind is not attuned to the Way enough to sense specifics about who is or isn't connected with it.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

The Rah hath spoken!

Rah Rah ah ah ah ah!  

(PS: I agree)

Modified slightly and added a clickable url for musical commentary.

[Saellyn]

To kind of add  a little of my own:

The fact that commonfolk get expel is a lot. That's literally an offensive mental (or defensive mental) ability to throw people out of your head.

That's the absolute 100% closest the average person gets to having real control over the Way. If you want to play somebody who knows EVERYTHING about the Way, and can manipulate it to their desires, then I suggest you get 8 karma and roll a Psionicist. They (I guess) would be the ones who could sense out who is contacting them, could blow their minds up if so desired, could possibly even tear the mind apart and create a new one (at that point you're probably some kind of Psionic God I would assume).

Knowing who is Waying you requires you to somehow backtrace the Way through all the other little tangents to pick out the one signal that is actually reaching you. That would require some pretty intense concentration (similar, somewhat, to ip-tracing someone connected to you).

In short, it's something that, ICly, is just beyond your powers the same way hurling molten lava at somebody is beyond the average persons powers. There's a reason only (insert elemental or sorcerer here) gets to shout words of power before blowing you up or ripping all the blood out of your body.

[Kalai]

For some of you talking, if you seriously want OOC psionic experience I'll uh ... draw on a fair analogue and pretend it is actually psionics. 

(Don't ask how I got this, but) In my OOC 'psionic' experience, being 'contacted' feels like a pressure against the head. The only way I can tell who's contacting me is which part of the head is experiencing this; and that is far from reliable, and takes some time to pin down. Once communication begins, it can involve auditory, visual, tactile, olfactory, thought, emotion. Visual gets stronger when approaching sleep. Communication is easiest but most jumbled by means of direct thought; language tends to be the preferable compromise ... with song being the absolute easiest form of it to use and receive.

So uh ... I suppose I don't envision the Way giving much information about who's contacting you unless you're quite often in contact with that person.

[ShaLeah]

For some of you talking, if you seriously want OOC psionic experience I'll uh ... draw on a fair analogue and pretend it is actually psionics. 

(Don't ask how I got this, but) In my OOC 'psionic' experience, being 'contacted' feels like a pressure against the head. The only way I can tell who's contacting me is which part of the head is experiencing this; and that is far from reliable, and takes some time to pin down. Once communication begins, it can involve auditory, visual, tactile, olfactory, thought, emotion. Visual gets stronger when approaching sleep. Communication is easiest but most jumbled by means of direct thought; language tends to be the preferable compromise ... with song being the absolute easiest form of it to use and receive.

So uh ... I suppose I don't envision the Way giving much information about who's contacting you unless you're quite often in contact with that person.

Now, now, everything's gonna be alright... put down the drugs and come with me.

[Kalai]

Now, now, everything's gonna be alright... put down the drugs and come with me.

Pure meditation, I assure you, I can't handle more than a cup of coffee a day's worth of drugs.