Discussion of Rape being banned from plotlines

[Mood]

I will be the first to suggest that we make rape roleplay karma-required.

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[Kaineus]

Here's my belated 2 cents on this:

I am not surprised by this change. About two years ago, I played a half-elf dude who decided to get skeezy on a human chick. At one point, he grabbed said chick's arm in a scene, and let go of her arm in the very next emote. Even so, the other character reported it or some such, and I got a message from the imms titled "Rape Plotlines On Armageddon." It included this detailed list of events (an Imm had to grep logs for this apparently) and included the help doc on consent with the paragraph about Rape in bold. It was literally the longest, scariest message I have gotten from the imms, and ended with the statement, "Please be cognizant of this and be sure to ask for consent if you move forward with this.  Otherwise, your account will be banned per policy.  The event in question in the log is borderline as it is, but as you are a relatively newer player, you'll be given the benefit of the doubt for this for now."

Given that [1] an arm grab could constitute the start of a rape plotline in the eyes of the imms and [2] that it apparently created so much work for the Imms, that was the first and last time I even verged on pursuing a plotline like this.

I really don't see this announcement as much of a change in policy; I just think the imms are establishing more of a hard-line over a grey area that was creating a lot of player complaints and work for them. I am hoping that this change has the intended effect rather than generating even more interventions like the one described above.

[RogueGunslinger]

Here's my belated 2 cents on this:

I am not surprised by this change. About two years ago, I played a half-elf dude who decided to get skeezy on a human chick. At one point, he grabbed said chick's arm in a scene, and let go of her arm in the very next emote. Even so, the other character reported it or some such, and I got a message from the imms titled "Rape Plotlines On Armageddon." It included this detailed list of events (an Imm had to grep logs for this apparently) and included the help doc on consent with the paragraph about Rape in bold. It was literally the longest, scariest message I have gotten from the imms, and ended with the statement, "Please be cognizant of this and be sure to ask for consent if you move forward with this.  Otherwise, your account will be banned per policy.  The event in question in the log is borderline as it is, but as you are a relatively newer player, you'll be given the benefit of the doubt for this for now."

Given that [1] an arm grab could constitute the start of a rape plotline in the eyes of the imms and [2] that it apparently created so much work for the Imms, that was the first and last time I even verged on pursuing a plotline like this.

I really don't see this announcement as much of a change in policy; I just think the imms are establishing more of a hard-line over a grey area that was creating a lot of player complaints and work for them. I am hoping that this change has the intended effect rather than generating even more interventions like the one described above.

This sounds fucking absurd.

Maybe you're not giving the full story, but as it is, that gives me little to no in faith in the staff. If something as simple as that can be considered borderline rape scene then all of the posts people have been making fun of asking "what the definition of rape" seems incredibly justified.

[Narf]

I really don't see this announcement as much of a change in policy; I just think the imms are establishing more of a hard-line over a grey area that was creating a lot of player complaints and work for them. I am hoping that this change has the intended effect rather than generating even more interventions like the one described above.

I can see where staff is coming from on this. One issue that they're going to face though, is that a new policy on this has a good chance of, instead of eliminating the grey area, just moving it to a new set of parameters.

I'd predict that the listed policy would actually increase Imm workload.

Of course that's neither here nor there because it's currently undergoing revision.

[Timetwister]

If you think this will stop characters (players) from doing it I think that is misguided. The war on drugs has proven that you can't ban something and expect everybody to play by the rules. Rape is still going to happen and get talked about.

[TheWanderer]

The war on drugs isn't being waged on fifty or so people that are constantly being monitored in a virtual world. 

[Yam]

This has kinda ferreted out the creepier portion of the playerbase.

[RogueGunslinger]

This has kinda ferreted out the creepier portion of the playerbase.

I dunno, I just figure most people are like me and very anti-authoritarian, more so than a bunch of rape-happy neckbeards.

[Patuk]

Zalanthan rape is drugs?

That's it. I'm going to kill a person.

[Zoan]

I think the real question on everyone's mind is this, staff:

If you apartment-gank someone, can you then molest their corpse? Is this rape?

I'm pretty sure this is the unspoken question on these boards, right? Anyone..?

[BadSkeelz]

I believe necrophilia was queried about on page 2, yes.

[Desertman]

My real question has a lot to do with my signature.

I know LC has been wanting to ask, so I will ask for him. (Just kidding, LC you are a cool dude.)

Can my ox consent and would they ideally most likely be up for it?

[Zoan]

If I rape a gith, are they people? Or do I need to take him on a date first, ply him with wine?

[Desertman]

If I rape a gith, are they people? Or do I need to take him on a date first, ply him with wine?

Gith r peepul 2.

[HavokBlue]

Captain, thread moderation spotted off the starboard bow!

[Scarecrow]

Jesus guys...you're still talking about this? Let it go. I'm sick of this topic, I really am.

[HavokBlue]

Then don't read the thread?

[RogueGunslinger]

Jesus guys...you're still talking about this? Let it go. I'm sick of this topic, I really am.

Nobody is forcing you to be here.

[Narf]

Jesus guys...you're still talking about this? Let it go. I'm sick of this topic, I really am.

Nobody is forcing you to be here.

I actually am. I'm behind him right now with tweezers and a pair of pliers...




... He hates it when I bang those two things together. Creates an awful racket.

[ghostymudy]

Code Select Expand

Remember, Remember,
The 23rd of December,
The end of your anal rape plot.

I see no reason,
the end of rape and arse squeezin',
should ever, be, forgot.

Code Select Expand

Here lies Armageddon rape plotlines, lest we forget.
1991-2013.
Jimmies were rustled, Drama was created,
and a good portion of people on the GDB said things that made them look VERY creepy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4

[HavokBlue]

Everyone who disagrees with rape being censored is creepy and everyone who PKs is a sadistic murderer IRL and everyone who plays an elf burglarizes homes and everyone who plays a breed has severe social issues!

[thewolfen3]

happy birthday

[boog]

Everyone who disagrees with rape being censored is creepy and everyone who PKs is a sadistic murderer IRL and everyone who plays an elf burglarizes homes and everyone who plays a breed has severe social issues!

Amen.

[Rathustra]

Please refrain from posting your opinions on particular posters because of their stance on this subject. It is not conducive to the discussion at hand.

[Heade]

This has kinda ferreted out the creepier portion of the playerbase.

Or, perhaps, it has ferreted out the same people who'd defend the KKK's right to public assembly. And no, I'm not talking about the racists.

Armageddon has always been about enjoying RP with other people in a gritty, mostly uncensored world. This move is a move away from that, much as a government crackdown on a peaceful protest is a move against freedom of speech/assembly.


I am not completely insensitive. And that is why I agree with the FTB and/or Consent rules when it comes to issues like these. But I am also all for a harsh world, where mature content exists, and isn't a ban-worthy offense between consenting players.