IDEA: Luir's storage lockers.

[Eyeball]

Seems like it would take some pretty steel balls for Kurac to tell Nenyuk that it's going to start offering living space and not cut Nenyuk in.

Frankly, the concept that Nenyuk owns every apartment and house in the Known is rather new.

Since 1996, we went from staff-run NPC merchants selling homes to individual PCs (there are still a few remnants of this time in 'nak), to rentable apartments being added in, to the sale of homes to individual PCs discontinued, to the idea that it's Nenyuk renting out the apartments and homes, to the idea that Nenyuk has a monopoly in the cities.. to now the idea that mighty Nenyuk is going to take offence over a handful of lockers or homes in some dusty outpost apparently.

This in spite of rentable apartments in Red Storm, with no sign that Nenyuk is putting the smack down on the Sand Lord, or even can be bothered to open a bank branch there. EDIT: I was surprised when the branch in Luir's opened.

[Eurynomos]

Hey, let's keep it civil and actually discuss things rather than describe people's arguments as 'stupid' and 'ridiculous'.

[Eyeball]

If some people want Nenyuk to run rentals in Luir's, it might make sense in that Kurac might find it convenient to contract out to Nenyuk to administer them, given Nenyuk's extensive experience in dealing with renters.

Let's just not forget who really owns the real estate there. Nenyuk would be paying Kurac for the privilege, in the same way I'd expect they'd be paying the city states a cut for the privilege of managing and profiting from the lands there.

[26 dollars]

Hey, let's keep it civil and actually discuss things rather than describe people's arguments as 'stupid' and 'ridiculous'.

Bleh.  I didn't eat my Wheaties this morning.

[Kronibas]

I think apartments might be okay.  Luir's is like this big drug casino in the middle of nowhere.  They might want people to stick around and live there, you know, so they can buy more drugs, spend more money.  Like some sort of post apocalyptic resort casino.  Charge like 2-3k a month for a room to maybe make it more exclusive -- and maybe have a shitty-lock ghetto of sorts for the tons of spice addicts no doubt clinging to the drug Wal Mart of Zalanthas.

[Lizzie]

Nenyuk does not, and has never, owned all the rentable properties in the cities. They have owned some, and they have managed others on behalf of those cities. However, the cities own the properties upon which those buildings sit. And it is the cities which decide whether or not Nenyuk gets to own, or even manage, the buildings. I'd love to see Nenyuk tell Salarr that their shops in the bazaar in Allanak will be getting a rent hike. Hint: Salarr doesn't pay rent to Nenyuk for that. They pay it to Allanak.

Just like Nenyuk pays rent to Kurac for the privilege of having a banking facility there. They don't have to, but it's a useful thing in that particular trading post, and so they give them privileges and presence in the Outpost, and in exchange - Kurac gets a cut. Not the other way around.

If Kurac wants to get a cut from other people, for space they *rent* to other people - it's their prerogative. It's their property. They own it, 100% of it. It isn't Nenyuk's decision to make.

Salarr pays rent (via a lump sum or percentage of sales) to Kurac, in LUir's Outpost. Kadius does also. So does the Tan Muark, and so do those independent non-Kurac tribal vendors. If you want to claim space in Luir's, you have a financial responsibility to pay for it one way or another. That includes Nenyuk. Luir's is not a city. It's a private outpost owned and operated by one family. ONE family. It's not a conglomerate.

[Jherlen]

I prefer to think of Nenyuk as a primarily banking house that got bored after a while and decided to dump some of their massive profits into real estate. They own some -- NOT ALL -- of apartment buildings in the cities because they've had plenty of time to invest their profits. In order to rent something, you need to own it, after all, and Nenyuk certainly doesn't own all the private residential property in the city states. They definitely don't own much if any in Luir's.

All the interest and debate this thread has sparked makes me think maybe we need more GMH-struggles in game!

[ShaLeah]

And you have to rent that storage space. Warehouses aren't living space, they're storage space. Guess who maintains the majority control on warehouses (i.e. storage space)?

Uhh, which warehouses?  Every GMH has a number of warehouses, Kurac included.  Nenyuk does not own these, or take any part in their administration.   I think we've gone from Shaleah's ridiculous notion of "every rental property is controlled by Nenyuk" now to this hyberbolic "every single warehouse in the world is owned and run by Nenyuk."  This is becoming a very stupid conversation about something that is pretty simple.

I never said every rental property is controlled or owned by Nenyuk even, but the fact remains that the service people are suggesting already exists, just not in the capacity of being able to store ANYTHING. My opinion is they'd want part of that action. Sure Kurac sells weapons, but nowhere near what Salarr does. They don't touch luxury items and the booze they do sell isn't the bulk of Kadius' monopoly.

Just like in the bottom of the volcano crater if the Known holdings can be eminent domained to the city, it still doesn't change that there are holdings specific to a House. Look at the recent removal of Kurac's estate in Allanak and the subsequent wheeling and dealing to get back in good graces one would think they (Kurac) would think twice before stepping on too many toes.

[Fujikoma]

I am surprised at how much attention this is getting, suppose I shouldn't be. I fully expected to be told "Dude, we went over this four years ago. Do you see any lockers in Luir's? No? That answer your question?", but figured it was worth a shot anyway. Thanks everyone who commented, even if I disagree with you.

[Ouroboros]

I think that if the biggest problem in this is how Nenyuk would react, that's something best dealt with by staff and the PCs involved in such decisions. We can play armchair staff all day long, but at the end of that day, the only ones with a clear picture of how any given clan would react to something IC, is the staff assigned to oversee such a clan.

So. Any thoughts or concerns left about this potential row of shabby lockers that don't involve what any given player feels a GMH would do if they were running it?

[Desertman]

The crews I would run out of Luir's Outpost.

You just don't know.

And I guess you never will. *sigh*

[Twilight]

I wish something like this existed...in the Red Sun Commons.

A building that is meant as a crafting area, with limited storage in lockers, to represent that much of the crafting in the north is done in that quarter.  If you put multiple lockers in several rooms, each with its own crafting "theme", you would be able to encourage a communal crafting area for independent/partisan crafters, rather than have everyone run back to their apartments to do it.

I am bleh on this for Luirs.  Just given the geographical positioning, being able to store things in Luirs is a bit unbalancing IMHO in the general north/south divide of the game.

[Kronibas]

Yeah Twilight, not derailing too much, but some communal stuff would be neat in Tuluk.  Like a communal or paid-for sparring area... that closes at night, to be sure.

Also, I mostly agree with the not having apartments in Luir's for OOC reasons.  Having said, really neat stuff would probably happen, at the expense of the city states losing numbers.  I think only someone with way more insight should make that call, ultimately.

Luir's just really fits the theme of the game, too, and so does Kurac as a whole.  It's funny to see so many Tuluki folks hanging out in one of the sleaziest, vice ridden bars in the city, a place that is not exactly subtle.  midget strippers are not subtle.  Anyway, maybe it's a sign of what the playerbase likes, maybe it's transient... but Luir's just by virtue of being what is is has the potential for terrible amounts of sleaze and seediness, murder, drugs, prostitution, etc... and maybe it would be cool to expand that.  There's the potential for this in the city states, too, but Luir's is different.  Usually only Kuraci/tribals/transient weirdos are in Luir's, and maybe that's how it should remain.

[Twilight]

There was a paid for sparring area in the bar in the Crater, if memory serves.

[RogueGunslinger]

Man, screw Tuluk, Allanak needs some love.

[Qzzrbl]

Allanak doesn't need love.

This is what is great about Allanak.

[BleakOne]

I wouldn't mind there being lockers for rent in Luirs, particularly if they were able to be lockpicked and stolen from like apartments can be.

[evilcabbage]

And you have to rent that storage space. Warehouses aren't living space, they're storage space. Guess who maintains the majority control on warehouses (i.e. storage space)?

Uhh, which warehouses?  Every GMH has a number of warehouses, Kurac included.  Nenyuk does not own these, or take any part in their administration.   I think we've gone from Shaleah's ridiculous notion of "every rental property is controlled by Nenyuk" now to this hyberbolic "every single warehouse in the world is owned and run by Nenyuk."  This is becoming a very stupid conversation about something that is pretty simple.

Note: Majority control. Start reading more. I never said every single anything is run by anybody, I said Nenyuk has a majority control on rentable warehouse space, and rentable space in general.

[26 dollars]

I said Nenyuk has a majority control on rentable warehouse space, and rentable space in general.

Does Nenyuk rent out Poet's Circle?  Do they rent out the apartments in Red Storm?  Do they take the profits from any stables?  When you rent a private room from Tarkon, who takes the coins?  If you rent a private apartment from Luir's, who would you contact to bargain that deal?

Nenyuk has properties for rent, holdings in real estate.  More than any other merchant entity, they are invested in that market.  Like it or not, Kurac already rents out ALL of the rentable space in Luir's.  It already exists that way, in-game.  Go there, and find out IC.

As for the true intention of this thread, yes, why don't we do some simple lockers?  Some merchants make the bulk of their trade passing between the north and south, and go past Luir's often.  There would at least be some intrigue, and give the Fist some more interaction.

[solera]

I wouldn't mind there being lockers for rent in Luirs, particularly if they were able to be lockpicked and stolen from like apartments can be.

In Luirs Outpost?

Mincemeat.

[BleakOne]

I wouldn't mind there being lockers for rent in Luirs, particularly if they were able to be lockpicked and stolen from like apartments can be.

In Luirs Outpost?

Mincemeat.

Extra profit for Kurac. Claims to the loot of thieves. 

[Harmless]

Just add the ability to rent a mount with a maximum of one bag on it to store shit in.
Maybe just for Luir's and Red Storm, plus a few other places that'll go unnamed here.

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>rent beetle

The half-breed stablehand says, in Sirihish,
   "I'm sorry, but you can have at most one bag packed to your mount here."

>unpack pack
You unpack a leather backpack from a war beetle.

>pack
Strapped to a war beetle:
a large bag

>rent beetle

The half-breed stablehand collects your money and stores a war beetle in the stables, with a large bag.



To accomodate this new service, the rent fee should be increased when you take a mount out with a bag packed.

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>offer ticket

A half-breed stablehand takes fifty coins from you and brings a war beetle from the stables, packed with a large bag.



[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I'd rather see a guy in front of a row of ... let's do it in game terms.

A Brick Lean-To [N]
This hovel is constructed of dun-colored, black-mortared bricks. The northern side of
the structure is open to the yard. Against the other three walls are massive shelves,
floor to ceiling, and these are crowded with literally thousands of small chests, each
uniquely marked with a picture or symbol.
The monstrous half-giant looms here, scowling at everyone.
The boulder-shouldered dwarf guards the place, eyes keen.
The lanky, war-braided elf stands here, swords to hand.
The fat quartermaster sits at a desk, eying the line before it.

>list
The fat quartermaster says to you, in sirihish:
   "You can -BUY- one of my chests, and stow a few things in it."

>buy
The fat quartermaster sells you a small, stone chest.

>put leaf chest
You put a pink leaf in a small, stone chest.

>rent chest
The fat quartermaster takes your small, stone chest and gives you a granite tag.
The fat quartermaster says to you, in sirihish:
   "Bring me this tag and forty obsidian coins to retrieve your chest."

[Harmless]

 I like that idea too.

My only issue with this... is that it isn't possible to steal someone's shit if it isn't in a physically coded room (apartment). I just realized with my idea that you can't steal unless you get the mount ticket.

Still works for pickpockets, though. Steal the tag/ticket and you got yourself the whole pile. That's nice.

[Refugee]

The main time when I think Kurac might want to rent lockers out in Luirs is during their events like Luirsfest.  I've certainly wished for somewhere to stick my armor while wearing my party duds.  It's certainly an opportunity for them to make some extra coin.