Another Hiding Post

[hatchets]

Alrighty, so I have been searching over a bunch of previous hiding question posts. And if I have this figured out right, as soon as you break hide, you then must try to 'hide' again to start hiding.

I am wondering why Hide cannot be put in the prompt (not to know if your hiding) but rather to know that you are attempting to remain hidden. Much like sneaking. You don't have to type sneak every room. Your characters mindset is simply to attempt to sneak when they move to the next room. I think hiding should be set up similarly. That as long as you have 'hide on' you attempt to find cover as soon as you enter the next room. That way you know you are actively trying to hide.

Or even if not to set it up in the prompt, add a hide on/off toggle, And a 'hide status' - You are attempting to blend in.

I feel like my character is never hiding and it aggravates the fuck out of me.

[mansa]

Change your ldesc after you hide. Keep your ldesc in your prompt.

[RogueGunslinger]

Change your ldesc after you hide. Keep your ldesc in your prompt.

This... This works?


Edit: Nevermind I misunderstood.

[janeshephard]

Change your ldesc after you hide. Keep your ldesc in your prompt.

If people are doing this we should straight up have an indicator.

[RogueGunslinger]

Change your ldesc after you hide. Keep your ldesc in your prompt.

If people are doing this we should straight up have an indicator.

I think you misunderstood as well.

[janeshephard]

On another note, does sitting break hide?

[RogueGunslinger]

On another note, does sitting break hide?

Yes. Or standing, moving, grabbing and putting. EDIT: Also, sheathing and drawing a weapon.

Even if you're already standing and you type 'stand' it will break hide.

[shadeoux]

I believe what they meant is change your Ldesc to show your hiding/attempting to hide, then that would show in your prompt.

[MeTekillot]

On another note, does sitting break hide?

EDIT: Also, sheathing and drawing a weapon.

only sometimes.

[Alkendor]

Sorry... this may just be the fact that I've never played a stealthy char... but isn't there a 'visible' tag you can put in your prompt?

[hatchets]

Sorry... this may just be the fact that I've never played a stealthy char... but isn't there a 'visible' tag you can put in your prompt?

Sadly I think that only works for the magical type of invisible least far as I can tell and far as previous posts have said.

[Riev]

There is a sincere difference between hiding and sneaking. If you're hiding, you're in a room, blending in, trying not to be soon. Mostly unmoving. If you're sneaking, you are moving from room to room without trying to attract too much attention to yourself. Trying to be hidden from everyone's view is PRETTY hard so if it feels like you aren't hiding? You're not good at it.

Think on this: If you're hiding in a room, and you want to go to the next room... you sneak. If you fail at sneaking, and someone notices you walking like a cartoon character, you're probably not hidden anymore, and you might need to try and blend in again.


Prompts for "Am I mundanely visible" .... no. I don't want to know that other people can't see me hiding behind the couch. Someone might, and that can't be taken care of by a prompt.

[Lizzie]

There is a sincere difference between hiding and sneaking. If you're hiding, you're in a room, blending in, trying not to be soon. Mostly unmoving. If you're sneaking, you are moving from room to room without trying to attract too much attention to yourself. Trying to be hidden from everyone's view is PRETTY hard so if it feels like you aren't hiding? You're not good at it.

Think on this: If you're hiding in a room, and you want to go to the next room... you sneak. If you fail at sneaking, and someone notices you walking like a cartoon character, you're probably not hidden anymore, and you might need to try and blend in again.


Prompts for "Am I mundanely visible" .... no. I don't want to know that other people can't see me hiding behind the couch. Someone might, and that can't be taken care of by a prompt.

Also - if the code lets you know if you have -not- successfully hidden in the room, then it's because someone sees you. If YOU don't see someone in that room - and the code says you've been found out, then the code has just told you, that someone ELSE is in the room. Which is something you shouldn't be able to know, unless your scan skill trumps their hide skill (or magickal ability to see trumps their magical ability to be unseen, etc. etc. etc.).

[RogueGunslinger]

Not to mention the case where some people can see you and others can't. How would the prompt even deal with that?

[Wug]

In my understanding of the hide code it would not be codedly possible for a prompt to tell you whether or not you are attempting to hide. It is something you will have to keep track of.

[mansa]

Change your ldesc after you hide. Keep your ldesc in your prompt.

If people are doing this we should straight up have an indicator.

I think you misunderstood as well.

Have %L in your prompt.

Read up about it here:
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Prompt

>hide

You try and hide yo.

>change ldesc is here, looking like he's trying to hide.

90(90)hp 120(120)mv 90(90)stun ldesc: is here, looking like he's trying to hide.

If your prompt ever changes from what you set it as, you know that you've done an action that has 'broken' hide....  aka 'stand', 'sit', 'scan', etc.

Other than that, you cannot ever know if you've successfully hidden or not.  You can only know if you've done something codedly to break your hide, because it would also reset your ldesc.

[hatchets]

I will play with the Ldesc.

The prompt suggestion wasn't to know if I was successfully hiding. More to know my character is attempting to hide. Sneaking and Hiding are often used together. To sneak to another room while hidden. But If you aren't trying to hide anymore, then you aren't trying to hide when you go into the next room without typing hide every room you enter which is just silly. I dunno maybe I just won't play sneakers in the future, its is aggravating. Some seem to have it down, maybe I am thinking about it the wrong way or something oh well.

[Wug]

I moved a few posts to moderation. In general, code mechanics should not be discussed beyond what is available in the helpfiles. Armageddon is a roleplaying game based on code, but in depth discussion can sometimes take things away from the game. If you go around continuously typing out hide because you read on the forums that it might be the best way to not get discovered you're gonna have a bad time. If you take the time to learn with your character how to be stealthy you'll end up with a more realistic and enjoyable experience.

Per http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,18885.0.html sneaking does not break hide.

[Harmless]

Sorry Wug

[Wug]

Thread's locked. Welcome to the Code Discussion Forum updated.

I'm not sure if my post was missed or people ignored it, but I had to move posts again. Additionally, please do not use the OOC command in game to ask code questions - especially whether or not you are hidden. That's flagrant abuse of the OOC command.