Discussion of changes to Armageddon Website

[AreteX]

I am not sure if this has been brought up already, but I find it a bit jarring that I can no longer middle-mouse click to open many of the website functions in a new tab.  This is how I view the interwebs, new tabs.  I dont always want to switch over my full screen.

Is there a way to have this shortcut click renabled?  This happens with Firefox.  I can still RIGHT click and then open in new tab, but that is just uncomfortable and sluggish!

It seems to work fine with Chrome.

You know how people are about their browsers... I can't be forced to switch!

[Barsook]

You know how people are about their browsers... I can't be forced to switch!

+1

[Morgenes]

Apparently an issue with the framework we're using.  I'll try and patch a change this evening.

Edited: Fixed.

[James de Monet]

Just noticed there is no longer a way to submit Original Submissions (the current 'submissions' request under game used to just be for submissions in response to calls for things from the staff). Could we have an 'original submissions' request with a file upload?

Ya sorry, it was one of those things I figured could wait a few days till I had time to get back to it, then the database exploded and that was my weekend.

Is there an approved workaround for this in the interim?  Or should we just hold our freaking horses (and pictures, stories, songs, etc) and let you guys remake the world?   

[Lizzie]

I want to see a few pictures that were submitted. Or maybe I just want to see stories written by the same author. Or perhaps I want to see only things that were written during the time-frame that I had a particular character.

How do I do this on the new website? As I see it now, there is no method of sorting what you see. I tried doing a search on "pictures" after pulling up the submitted works page, and it gave me three stories with the word "picture" in them.

Also, I notice that when you click on submitted works, it loads up every single submitted work in the archives. Isn't that going to be really difficult for people with slow browsers, or even with not-so-fast wireless connections?

[Nyr]

There is no way currently to filter by date.

I want to see a few pictures that were submitted.

Type artwork into the search bar if you want to find artwork.

Or maybe I just want to see stories written by the same author.

Type the author's name into the search bar if you want to see stuff written or submitted by the same person.  You can also click their name and it will automatically show all works by that person.

Or perhaps I want to see only things that were written during the time-frame that I had a particular character.

You'll have to scroll down, unfiltered, to see stuff in reverse date order.  Sorry, there is no other filtering right now.

Also, I notice that when you click on submitted works, it loads up every single submitted work in the archives. Isn't that going to be really difficult for people with slow browsers, or even with not-so-fast wireless connections?

Can you elaborate?  I am not seeing this behavior on Firefox.  When I click on a picture it loads the picture.  There is no place for me to click on the other submissions anyway.  There isn't a stand-alone viewing window for viewing logs/stories/etc, but only the first "page" is loaded when you click "continue reading" (similar to how tumblr and I believe most twitter feeds are supposed to work).

[Morgenes]

Just noticed there is no longer a way to submit Original Submissions (the current 'submissions' request under game used to just be for submissions in response to calls for things from the staff). Could we have an 'original submissions' request with a file upload?

Ya sorry, it was one of those things I figured could wait a few days till I had time to get back to it, then the database exploded and that was my weekend.

Is there an approved workaround for this in the interim?  Or should we just hold our freaking horses (and pictures, stories, songs, etc) and let you guys remake the world?  

No, sorry, I haven't gotten back to this, it's on my list though.

I want to see a few pictures that were submitted. Or maybe I just want to see stories written by the same author. Or perhaps I want to see only things that were written during the time-frame that I had a particular character.

How do I do this on the new website? As I see it now, there is no method of sorting what you see. I tried doing a search on "pictures" after pulling up the submitted works page, and it gave me three stories with the word "picture" in them.

As Nyr mentioned, different filtering for Original Submissions is still in the works.

Also, I notice that when you click on submitted works, it loads up every single submitted work in the archives. Isn't that going to be really difficult for people with slow browsers, or even with not-so-fast wireless connections?

It's hidden behind the scenes like Facebook and other pages do, sometimes called 'infinite scroll'.  What's happening is we load up a certain amount of them, and as you scroll to the bottom of the page we load some more.  You aren't getting every submitted work ever when you first come to the page.

[AreteX]

Apparently an issue with the framework we're using.  I'll try and patch a change this evening.

Edited: Fixed.

huzzah!

Thanks

[Lizzie]

Thanks for the tip on finding random artwork, Nyr, and for the explanation of infinite scroll, Morgenes. Am I understanding correctly based on Nyr's explanation on looking for things by date, that the most current submitted item was put on there December 6, 2012? I could've sworn there's been a few things added in the past 5 months, but the top item has that date - Sabers and Glory by Torgun , added 12/6/12.

[Morgenes]

That was the last.

[Morgenes]

For those of you looking for better filtering options on the Original Submissions tool, hopefully the latest version will help.  Feel free to leave feedback on it here.

[Taven]

This is a large post, so I apologize.

I noticed that a lot of people still seem to be linking the old website, so I decided to do a comparison between the old and new website to see if I could successfully find everything. These are my results. I have italicized things I could not find, or things that were off. Some might not be an issue, some might be intentional, and some may need fixing. Regardless, I hope this post is helpful to someone, at any rate.


Website Location and Content Comparison


Details for Main Website Links:

Page Title	What/Why	Old Website Location	New Website Location
Allanaki Nobility	Shows chart of noble tiers, can't locate in new	Click
Allanaki Ranktable	Shows social chart of ranks, can't locate in new	Click
Animals	Can't be found by searching "animals"	Click	Click
Cities	Shows city information	Click	Click
Clothing	New missing easy-reference table	Click	Click
Fighting Styles	Shows fighting styles	Click	Click
Games	The new site was updated by Morg to include player-made games. Check it out!	Click	Click
Gems	Original file linked to minerals, new file not	Click	Click
Geography	New has links to maps, only ASCII	Click	Click
Guilds	Shows available guilds	Click	Click
Subguilds	Shows available subguilds	Click	Click
History	Can't find on new site	Click
Illness	Shows list of illnesses	Click	Click
Jobs	Shows list of jobs	Click	Click
Magick	Shows magick stuff	Click	Click
Mechanics & Syntax	In new site only "syntax" works, diff page	Click	Click
Merchant Houses of Zalanthas	In new site lesser MH Voryek is missing; no help file for "Voryek"	Click	Click
Minerals	Minerals of Zalanthas	Click	Click
Music	New page seems easier to use!	Click	Click
Mutants	New website has no results for "mutants"	Click
Other Stuff	See other table	Click
Plantlife	New website search for "plants"	Click	Click
Playertools	Basically this is the login button on the new site	--	--
Pregnancy	Does not appear in new website	Click
Races	New site has Biscuit's beautiful art!	Click	Click
Seasonings	Zalanthian Seasonings	Click	Click
Senate in Allanak	Seems intentionally cut	Click
Slaves & Slavery	Can't find corresponding page on new site	Click
Superstitions	Can't find corresponding page on new site	Click
Tuluki Roleplay	Seems gone from both sites	404 Not Found
Tuluki Caste Tattoos	Can't find corresponding page on new site	Click
Tuluki Nobility	Can't find search term for helpfiles	Click	Must look in clan section
Weekly Updates	Updates - New website helpfile system has link	Click	Click
OOC Documentation	See other table	Click

• Note that use of the word "Qynar" doesn't seem to appear in docs, and is not found in any helpfile. The Tuluki Qynar are called "Regions".
• "Noble" helpfile links only to southern noble houses

Details for "Mechanics and Syntax" page on old website and translation to new website:
(This section has been addressed by Morg)

Section Title	What/Why	Old Website Location	New Website Location
Combat Commands	New website no results "combat commands", linked results for "combat"	Click	Click
Communication Commands	New website no results "communication commands", linked results for "communication"	Click	Click
Detection System	New website no results "detection system", no single page for "detection" - Fixed by Morg	Click	Click
The Emote System	New website results for "emote" w/ first page - Fixed by Morg	Click	Click
Miscellaneous Commands	Can't locate similar page on new site - Fixed by Morg	Click	Click
Movement Commands	New website results for "movement" w/ first page	Click	Click
Observation Commands	New website only links to scan if "observation" is searched - Fixed by Morg	Click	Click
OOC Commands	New website results for "ooc" only links to that command, not list of them - Fixed by Morg	Click	Click
Stealth Commands	New website no single page results for "stealth" - Fixed by Morg	Click	Click
Thoughts & Feelings	New website results for "think" - Fixed by Morg?	Click	Click

• The commands for combat and communication seem harder to find/it takes longer - Working as intended
• The emote command page covers less on the new website then the old--It's not in one place, the old page was set up to help newbies - Working as intended

Perhaps this is the proper counter part for the above?



Details for "Other Stuff" page on old website and translation to new website:

Section Title	What/Why	Old Website Location	New Website Location
Criminals	Also see Crime and Justice	Click	Click
Measurement	Measurement, Zalanthian Style	Click	Click
NPCs	New website search results for "NPC", or "NPCs"	Click	Click
PCs	Note that new website search of "PC" works but not "Player Characters"	Click	Click
Time	Time in Zalanthas	Click	Click
Weather	Weather in Zalanthas	Click	Click

Details for "OOC Documentation" page on old website and translation to new website:

Section Title	What/Why	Old Website Location	New Website Location
Connection Trouble	Connection Troubleshooting - New website does not have exactly, but has a guide	Click	Click
Contacting Staff	"Contact" only leads to Way command, but "email" pops up on search - Linked here	Click	Click
Game Mechanics	Covered Elsewhere	--	--
Game Rules	Rules	Click	Click
Karma	Karma System	404 Not Found	Click
OOC Communication	Covers acceptable vs unacceptable on old, less so on new	Click	Click
Special Characters	New Website just has "special applications", connected to character helpfile	Error	Click
Staff Responsibilities	New Website helpfile "staff" seems to link to similar info - Note that it is harder to find job of non-clan staff	Error	Click
Update Weekly Archive	Covered elsewhere	--	--

[Lizzie]

For those of you looking for better filtering options on the Original Submissions tool, hopefully the latest version will help.  Feel free to leave feedback on it here.

Awesome, and SO easy to navigate now, thanks so much! I noticed two specific errors; one was with the story about Thrend Lyksae, by Tarx. When you mouse over it in the listing, it underlines all the lines. The other is the formatting of "'Twas the Night Before Githmas" by Sandy Claws

[RogueGunslinger]

Taven is like a fucking GDB Wizard.

[LauraMars]

Epic list, Taven.

[Morgenes]

This is a large post, so I apologize.

Quite the list, thanks for the analysis.  I worked on this one tonight:

Details for "Mechanics and Syntax" page on old website and translation to new website:

Most of these are under Gameplay.  I've marked the ones I've altered below with

Section Title	What/Why	Old Website Location	New Website Location
Combat Commands	New website no results "combat commands", linked results for "combat"	Click	Click
Communication Commands	New website no results "communication commands", linked results for "communication"	Click	Click
Detection System	New website no results "detection system", no single page for "detection"	Click	Click
The Emote System	New website results for "emote" w/ first page	Click	Click
Miscellaneous Commands	Can't locate similar page on new site	Click	Click
Movement Commands	New website results for "movement" w/ first page	Click	Click
Observation Commands	New website only links to scan if "observation" is searched	Click	Click
OOC Commands	New website results for "ooc" only links to that command, not list of them	Click	Click
Stealth Commands	New website no single page results for "stealth"	Click	Click
Thoughts & Feelings	New website results for "think"	Click	Click

• The commands for combat and communication seem harder to find/it takes longer

Combat and Communication are areas we worked on trying to flesh out and organize things better.  Sorry you don't like the new way.

• The emote command page covers less on the new website then the old--It's not in one place, the old page was set up to help newbies

Perhaps this is the proper counter part for the above?

Try Emoting.

[Morgenes]

For those of you looking for better filtering options on the Original Submissions tool, hopefully the latest version will help.  Feel free to leave feedback on it here.

Awesome, and SO easy to navigate now, thanks so much! I noticed two specific errors; one was with the story about Thrend Lyksae, by Tarx. When you mouse over it in the listing, it underlines all the lines. The other is the formatting of "'Twas the Night Before Githmas" by Sandy Claws

Glad that helped you out.

I've fixed the two you pointed out.

[Taven]

Quite the list, thanks for the analysis.  I worked on this one tonight:

Wow, fast work! I haven't gotten to look at all the changes, but I did update my original post so that everyone can easily reference what has changed. 

The areas I noted as perhaps being a bit harder to navigate (the combat and communication sections), I noted as working as you guys intend them to. It's a lot of information, and I think it's all there; the organization is a personal preference thing.

• The emote command page covers less on the new website then the old--It's not in one place, the old page was set up to help newbies

Perhaps this is the proper counter part for the above?

Try Emoting.

The thing here seems to be that the page from the old site also covers how to include emotes in speech, movement, and looks. I finally discovered where it was in the new section, but it was not immediately obvious. I would recommend changing...

Many commands allow you to use a special syntax to include an emote before or after the normal output for the command. See 'help command emotes' for more details.

...to have an actual link to the Command Emote page, rather then saying "help command emotes" (if they try to search that, the command emote page won't come up).



Unrelated to everything else, I also found a typo, which I'll just post here (unless you'd rather have me file a request, which I'd be happy to do, but I figure you're reading this anyway).

Bad Example 7:

> emote laughs as ~red falls out of ^red seat, looking really ridiculous.

What is seen by the red-haired woman:

The lean man laughs as you falls out of your seat, look

I think more then just the sentence is cut off, I think there's also supposed to be a "Problem" section, bolded, after that.

[Barzalene]

Not sure if this was mentioned :
From IPhone 4, using Chrome, I can file a request, but I don't get to specify which pc it relates to. I doesn't default to current.

[Morgenes]

Not sure if this was mentioned :
From IPhone 4, using Chrome, I can file a request, but I don't get to specify which pc it relates to. I doesn't default to current.

I'm not seeing that behavior.  It depends on the type of request if you even get a character box, but I see it on my iPhone on Chrome.  For the Character Report request type it's the first box under the explanation text.

[Barzalene]

Question/request, I think.

[Morgenes]

Question/request, I think.

Not limited to iPhone, the Clan Related: Question / Request doesn't allow a character to be entered. Try a Character Report.

[Delirium]

This would be a good pic to put in the House Salarr helpfile.

[James de Monet]

I might be redacting this post in a while, as it might resolve itself, but I just filed a clan question/request, but I took forever doing it. When I hit submit, it showed me the green screen, and said a copy was sent to my email, but when it returned me to the main screen, it said I wasn't logged in. I logged in, and the request does not appear in my list, and I didn't receive an email. I filed a different request after that, and that one shows up and I received the email for it. Still no sign of the first request...

iPhone 5, Safari

[Morgenes]

Did you close the browser or snooze your phone?  We have code that tries to keep your session alive but it only works if you stay on the page with the window open and JavaScript on. If course I didn't test on iPhone so it is possible there is something wrong on iPhone.