Spam Of Looks

[Kiara]

Look just needs to be an hemote instead of a normal echo. So people won't freak about it.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS!!

Even though people would still spam look?

(very amused expression) Yes, because you wouldn't get the spam saying -Blah looks at you-..cute though boog, very very cute. Now I know why I like you. (smile)

[Maso]

Is it me, or is it every time you walk into a bar, tavern, or some kind of establishment every single active pc types look (insert keyword of pc). From my experience bar's/taverns are crowded with pc's, npc's, vnpc's so to single out one person that just walks into the tavern is pretty poor rp. Depending on where you are in the bar/tavern 'Your' pc might not even have a clear view of the doorway/archway etc. So -why- do people continue to do this? Just thought I'd throw this out there.

Because the players behind the characters want to see what your character looks like....so they can better imagine the scene as a whole. :/

[Kiara]

Is it me, or is it every time you walk into a bar, tavern, or some kind of establishment every single active pc types look (insert keyword of pc). From my experience bar's/taverns are crowded with pc's, npc's, vnpc's so to single out one person that just walks into the tavern is pretty poor rp. Depending on where you are in the bar/tavern 'Your' pc might not even have a clear view of the doorway/archway etc. So -why- do people continue to do this? Just thought I'd throw this out there.

Because the players behind the characters want to see what your character looks like....so they can better imagine the scene as a whole. :/

Isn't that he whole point of a sdesc? So that you get a general idea of what the person looks like.

[Nyr]

Googly-eyed people (2005) -- some good discussion on the matter

i used to be really really careful about not looking at people unless my pc had a reason to check them out. Lately, not so much.  I mean I could adjust my behavior to preserve your rp experience taking into account that you (you being the general you, not to op) have a thing about being looked at and not look. But I find that I'm doing so at the expense of my own rp experience. You miss a lot not looking at people. I'm not memorizing your ldescs. I'm just taking in the main stuff.

So, I can adjust my behavior and not know if I'm standing next to a six eyed four eared mutant with a cleaver, or you (general you again) can get past it and stop imagining that I've climbed up on your feet to stare into your eyes.

'Look' and much gnashing of teeth (2009) -- more good discussion about it

The look command is an exchange in information.  

You give me your main description and visible equipment so that I can make a determination for how my character might want to react to your physical appearance, possible mutations, visible tattoos or scars, choice of dress, obvious clan trappings, foreign or domestic items, and the state of your being.

I give you an indication that my character is being actively played, that I have a cursory interest in your character, and that I might be interested in some kind of interaction so that you can make a determination on whether you want to check me out in return, whether your character wants to make a response, pursue some interaction, or ignore me altogether.

What both sides choose to do with this information is entirely up to them, but I think it's important that the information continues to be passed -- whether it's handling messages that are IC, OOC, or both.

-LoD

The second link eventually gets into other areas like expanding assess to include information that might be more noticeable (in other threads/derails).

[Maso]

Is it me, or is it every time you walk into a bar, tavern, or some kind of establishment every single active pc types look (insert keyword of pc). From my experience bar's/taverns are crowded with pc's, npc's, vnpc's so to single out one person that just walks into the tavern is pretty poor rp. Depending on where you are in the bar/tavern 'Your' pc might not even have a clear view of the doorway/archway etc. So -why- do people continue to do this? Just thought I'd throw this out there.

Because the players behind the characters want to see what your character looks like....so they can better imagine the scene as a whole. :/

Isn't that he whole point of a sdesc? So that you get a general idea of what the person looks like.

It's really not satisfactory. There's plenty of things that may be mentioned in an mdesc or equipment worn that could be something a player might choose that their character would notice or respond to.

Get used to it.

[Karieith]

I am failing to see the issue and problem here? I don't see how looking at someone or being looked at is a big deal.

I do not mind when people look at my characters when they go places. Sometimes I put a lot of work into their mdescs and it sends a warm feeling to the cockles of my heart to see others observing it and hopefully reading and envisioning it.

Not only that, but looking at a PC is seriously the quickest and easiest way to ensure you'll greet them the proper way. There is no other way to discern a PCs rank short of overhearing someone else speaking to them. If I don't look at Chosen Lord/Lady Hardnose and just say "Oh hey sup." I am going to have a really bad day.

Players and their characters need to look at your PC to know how we're going to need to interact with you. Looking at someone is the only way to know their status. It's necessary, and as far as I am aware, harmless.

Look saves lives and faces!
Tuluki Noble Aide X has just spent several OOC hours wining and dining Sexy Sdesced Fme in hopes of raunchy emoted mudsex in a unique location (in the known world and perhaps in the Fme ) for the sole purpose of amusing Calavera. Only once Aide X starts doing the deed does Aide X finally look at the Fme and notices that while the Fme does have a rocking mdesc, they are uninked and southron and oh nooooesss.

Now Aide X has to backstab the Fme a different way. This could all have been prevented (or expedited) if they had just looked.

[BadSkeelz]

Templars at least have their Templarness in the sdesc. Be nice if nobles did too.

Also if you're personally getting look-spammed, you're probably just too damn sexy. Meow.

[Synthesis]

Just because I look at you doesn't mean I give a shit.

[Karieith]

Templars at least have their Templarness in the sdesc. Be nice if nobles did too.

I know that, it was just an example meh! EDITED TO BE A NOBLE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE.  

Also if you're personally getting look-spammed, you're probably just too damn sexy. Meow.

Don't I know it! Fmes don't make themselves y'know.  

...Not that I think my current character is a fme... I'm not sure where the boundary is! It's all very subjective.

_{I believe the fme boundary is passed when a mdesc describes a bust in more than one sentence, or musculature and/or physical details with greater than two adjectives at least twice.}

[Patuk]

I want to kidnap a Templar, strip them naked, and toss them into the desert. See how obvious their templar-ness is then.

Also, because the above situation doesn't happen quite so often, I think the templar sdescs are fine. Nobles, too, are fine, I think. There's no way for your pale-skinned, northen bard to find out if that guy is a merchant or a southern noble(no silver star) until your limbs are being torn apart at meleths for not bowing.

[boog]

There are ways to tell if nobles are nobles, especially in the south.

[DustMight]

Just use your client to gag looks at you and you're all set.

[DustMight]

Just because I look at you doesn't mean I give a shit.

This is pure Zalanthas.   

[Is Friday]

On being naked and hemoting:

Hidden emotes should be used to represent subtle motions that wouldn't
be obvious to the room you are in.  Only those who are actively watching you,
or who are very observant will notice these.

• Being naked is REALLY OBVIOUS, and shouldn't take someone who is incredibly observant to notice
• What possible IC rational could someone give for something this obvious? If you're naked, it's your duty to EMOTE about it.

It was Tuluk. My PC was being subtle.

[Patuk]

There are ways to tell if nobles are nobles, especially in the south.

There is, sure there is, but then again, people from either city wouldn't know the customs of the other place, or so I figure. It's how I RP it to be, anyway, since the awkwardness of such things is awful fun.

[Potaje]

Here's a thought, if its so crowded that you feel you would not be noticed, then perhaps you should not notice being looked at.

I think perhaps you could play it either way, and simply pretend you don't notice being noticed. It's really hard for someone to judge who should or should not notice -what- in the case of public meeting places and being looked at, IMHO.

I'd just roll with it, personally.

[Namino]

What gets under my skin a little is when people make it a point to include you in an emote in which they RP -not- noticing you.

Not noticing you, this guy looks the other way.

I think this is actually hugely polite, RPing not noticing someone. There's a difference between ignoring a player and ignoring a character.

In a tavern only one at the bar:

A burly man arrives from the north.

A burly man walks north.

That annoys me more than:

A burly man arrives from the north.

Clearly in a hurry, a burly man scans over the patrons. Evidently failing to see something to catch his interest, he ducks back out.

A burly man walks north.

At least in the latter example, I'm worth an emote from player to player even if I'm not worth acknowledgement from character to character.

[Dar]

I do not mind people looking at me when I walk into the room. I do mind when people "chase" after me across multiple rooms, just to catch a look, and then leave without any emote. I could understand it, the person is actively looking for someone and does not have time. But it still feels meh.

[musashi]

I want to kidnap a Templar, strip them naked, and toss them into the desert. See how obvious their templar-ness is then.

Also, because the above situation doesn't happen quite so often, I think the templar sdescs are fine. Nobles, too, are fine, I think. There's no way for your pale-skinned, northen bard to find out if that guy is a merchant or a southern noble(no silver star) until your limbs are being torn apart at meleths for not bowing.

A Templar PC has a normal sdesc. The robe adds the Templar to the end of their sdesc in place of the last word. Typically man or woman.

So yeah, stripping a Templar PC naked would already make them look normal. It's been coded.

[Patuk]

I want to kidnap a Templar, strip them naked, and toss them into the desert. See how obvious their templar-ness is then.

Also, because the above situation doesn't happen quite so often, I think the templar sdescs are fine. Nobles, too, are fine, I think. There's no way for your pale-skinned, northen bard to find out if that guy is a merchant or a southern noble(no silver star) until your limbs are being torn apart at meleths for not bowing.

A Templar PC has a normal sdesc. The robe adds the Templar to the end of their sdesc in place of the last word. Typically man or woman.

So yeah, stripping a Templar PC naked would already make them look normal. It's been coded.

.. Ahh. Ahah. Hah. Ha. Heeh.. Oh, the possibilities. That is -amazing-, it is.

[musashi]

Yes. The man with no hair can in fact become ...

The man with no templar.

[Karieith]

Yes. The man with no hair can in fact become ...

The man with no templar.

>.> Apping that.
_{It'll be rejected, though}

I bet it's just coded to cover young man/woman, man/woman, youth etc, not the end clause of a sdesc.

[boog]

Well, if you use an sdesc, you have to use man/woman/descriptor. Templar doesn't work! At least, it never has when I've done it, since, the ... robe, you know.

contact the.stinky.templar
NO

contact the.stinky.woman
YES!

[valeria]

You just assume my character isn't looking at everyone that enters.  Just because it doesn't echo  

Mostly it's about the equ list.  My character would definitely notice if you had <insert clan cloak or noble signet here>, which is not something that shows up in an sdesc but would be noticed and might instigate appropriate roleplay.

[Gunnerblaster]

Meh. My only response to this is to not take the look command so literally.

Don't assume people are blankly staring at you when you enter a room.

A lot of this issue would probably vanish if the 'Look Command' was made a hemote if left without emotes but a normal emote if (emote) or [emote] was attached.