Discuss pending change to flee from Staff Announcements

[Bacon]

Easy solution: mercy on = no lashing out when people flee.

Enjoy your sparring, clan-peeps.

Also a good idea. I use mercy when sparring at all times anyway.

[Spoon]

Ok, a bunch of subguilds just got more valuable.

[X-D]

Of course then you just go right back to not being able to train the skill up....which I think staff mentioned is at least part of the reason for the change anyway.

I see them as keeping the same value, Subguild skills do not go all that high.

No, give some other bonus to higher flee skill and I might agree to the value, But if all I am gaining is 30% less chance of them getting to swing at me and I have to pick a sub that is otherwise against my PC concept, which, the ones getting flee often are....well, I'll take my chances with a more fitting sub and flee sooner.

[ShaLeah]

Bash + New Flee =   

[Jingo]

To the staff,: Any plans to make the flee skill more available to more combat classes. Like classes that already have poor defence?

[Armaddict]

Please give more classes the flee skill.

[Barsook]

Please give more classes the flee skill.

So it will fair for everyone? Like have a parting blow skill?

[RogueGunslinger]

Bash + New Flee =   

How so?

[Synthesis]

Bash + New Flee =   

How so?

Being bashed increases the likelihood that you'll be below the "dead in one more round" limit at the time you manage to flee.  And if you're being attacked by several PCs, you almost certainly will be below the "dead in several more rounds' worth of attacks" limit.

[RogueGunslinger]

Oh, well that's obvious.


If fighting multiple opponents does your flee check against them all individually, or just once for them all? I'm assuming it's individually heh.

[Armaddict]

Please give more classes the flee skill.

So it will fair for everyone? Like have a parting blow skill?

Because before it made more sense, since it was viewed more as an organized retreat and general combat awareness situation.  However, with a change that makes it a potentially character ending ordeal to have to run away, it also changes the context of that skill in and of itself to one where people in even remotely combat-involved classes should have -some- degree of learning in the matter.  Unless these classes are viewed as retarded when it comes to getting away from all those people who fight better than them and just repeatedly get smashed in the back of the head every time someone tries to mug them.  (Which is sarcasm.  I'm sorry, but in Zalanthas, people probably just aren't that stupid if they've survived to adulthood).

[musashi]

Morg, I didn't see an answer to this question yet and I was super curious. Can you clarify please?

Question: If you go to flee, and the parting shot you get hit with reel locks, but does not kill you ... what happens?

Do you stay in the room till the reel lock wears off THEN flee?
Do you flee then stay reel locked in the next room?
Do you not get to flee?
Do you turn into a one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater?
Does the game crash?

[Bacon]

Ugh...died because of bashes from critters already. I can see myself putting a fist through my screen when I die because of bash and the flee attack together. Perhaps the bash delay that you're knocked down should be cut down some with this addition? I think some of them are far too long anyway even without it.

[RogueGunslinger]

Yeeesh. Maybe my character is just one of the badasses benefiting from this change and I'm biased.

[Jingo]

Yeeesh. Maybe my character is just one of the badasses benefiting from this change and I'm biased.

Mine is too actually. For the record, I like what this is going to do to pvp content.

NPC mash fests are another concern....

[Synthesis]

Yeeesh. Maybe my character is just one of the badasses benefiting from this change and I'm biased.

Mine is too actually. For the record, I like what this is going to do to pvp content.

NPC mash fests are another concern....

Yeah, you had better make damn sure your tanks know who they are, and have their rescue skill buff.  Condolences in advance for the Byn Runners who get aggroed in the RPT, though.

[Jingo]

Yeeesh. Maybe my character is just one of the badasses benefiting from this change and I'm biased.

Mine is too actually. For the record, I like what this is going to do to pvp content.

NPC mash fests are another concern....

Yeah, you had better make damn sure your tanks know who they are, and have their rescue skill buff.  Condolences in advance for the Byn Runners who get aggroed in the RPT, though.

Now I feel dirty.

Too much swtor I guess.

[MeTekillot]

nerf NPC bash
that shit lasts like thirty seconds

[Twilight]

• It only really concerns me with very big critters where 1 hit is survivable and 2 hits aren't.  If I get jumped, and sometimes despite my best efforts that still happens, they are currently somewhat survivable.  This may, depending on how deeply it was implemented, change that.
• I will hold you to the one hit.  So I expect that dual wield folks will not get a full round (both weapons) but only one hit.  Point for twohanders.
• A lot of wonkiness would be avoided by making it so that anyone in wait_state (what some folks call game-side lag) doesn't get that hit on the fleeing person.  So, backstab, kill, bash, kick, etc. would give an opportunity to get away.  This would -add- to the tactics in my opinion.  My decent warrior, taking a surprise big hit to the head, is going to jump on the opportunity to get out when that thug just missed his kick afterwards.
• I agree that anyone bashed (position < standing) or reeled shouldn't get to make a free hit.
• Skilled fleers (I've never had one so guessing) get a reduced lag time from the skill, yes?  Journeyman should make it so that there is essentially no lag, IMHO.
• Really skilled fleers (advanced, master?) should apply a very small wait_state (say .25-.5 seconds) to whatever it was that was attacking them.  Yes, lag the attackers.  The fleer surprised them, because hey, they are just that good.

[Yam]

• I will hold you to the one hit.  So I expect that dual wield folks will not get a full round (both weapons) but only one hit.  Point for twohanders.

Pretty sure they get two

[Dar]

What is up with all this bash + flee stuff? If you're bashed down, you cannot flee anyway.

[Qzzrbl]

The hell people?

The wastelands have been entirely too safe for waaaay too long!

"I don't wanna get carru'd! D:"

Fuck, hire a guide! Bring friends! Hire the Byn! Hell, all this change really does is validate the existence of the "guard" and "rescue" skills and give warriors and rangers something else to do aside from running around and killing shit

We've had more than a few threads about combat not being dangerous enough, or the wastelands being too safe-- yet when an idea comes along that'll keep people from spam-fleeing their way from Red Storm to Tuluk in thirty minutes people start resisting. :/

Blah.

(Disclaimer: This doesn't go to anyone that actually suggested improvements to the idea)

[Dalmeth]

All this change does is make a bad situation even worse.  Care to take your chances when being assaulted by five gith in an RPT?

It probably won't even be noticeable at more or less equal levels of skill, which is odd.  All I can see is more downside for those characters that already have nothing but downside when it comes to survivability.

I really need to see the specifics of how this is implemented before I can really say anything good about it.

[Qzzrbl]

Sure makes you think twice about doing silly things your character probably shouldn't be doing in the first place (Traveling along in the wilderness, trying to be a hardass when being mugged/raided, etc., etc., etc)  doesn't it?

[Bacon]

Not really. It won't change my characters at all. They either would be that way or not. The code doesn't decide my character's personality. It has the potential to  be very oocly frustrating, especially for newer players, that is all. Some players are strictly offpeak. Some of us find ourselves stuck in periods where the only time we can play is offpeak. Things shouldn't be made so difficult that only peak players get to have any action. New players who like to see action, shouldn't have to play for several years before they do everything just right and have a little luck to keep a character alive for a while. We forget how difficult this game is for new people and need to remember that if we want to playerbase to continue to grow. It is really only a minority of veterans that post threads about it not being hard enough. That doesn't mean most of the playerbase agrees.