ZOMFG is 'rinth Allanak or is it not?! OMFG!

Started by Malifaxis, September 17, 2010, 05:12:20 PM

The baffling thing about Allanak to me is that its slum has managed to stay pretty much in the same place for generations unto centuries, which is kind of unheard of human affairs.

Quote from: Erythil on September 19, 2010, 08:58:18 PM
The baffling thing about Allanak to me is that its slum has managed to stay pretty much in the same place for generations unto centuries, which is kind of unheard of human affairs.

Well, we never really had a society where it's puppet leaders can kill anyone, at anytime, for any reason, by both mundane and magical means. For genrations unto centuries. With no real possible chance of throwing 'the government' out with a coup.

The Labyrinth is obv. there for a reason. Crackheads, and 1 Day Old Elf Assassins!
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Quote from: spicemustflow on September 18, 2010, 01:20:04 PM
What exactly are you, synthesis? I mean, what branch of mad science you do?

FTFY
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Quote from: Erythil on September 19, 2010, 08:58:18 PM
The baffling thing about Allanak to me is that its slum has managed to stay pretty much in the same place for generations unto centuries, which is kind of unheard of human affairs.
I'm not sure why you say this.  Have you walked around Allanak lately?   :P

Quote from: Malifaxis on September 20, 2010, 11:00:49 AM
Quote from: spicemustflow on September 18, 2010, 01:20:04 PMWhat exactly are you, synthesis? I mean, what branch of mad science you do?
FTFY
You know, I had to back up and find the post quoted and re-read it carefully.  I could have sworn that that's what spicemustflow said in the first place. :D
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Most 100% definately a part of Allanak. Whether some few believe it not to be every so often. They are suffered to live.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

Yes.  Allanak.  It is not a sovereign state, nor is it separate, nor is it self sufficient.  It is a quarter of the city that was abandoned to lawlessness, but still kept intact with the city.  There have been times where it was walled off, but such always fades rather quickly.
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Yeah it definitely is part of Allanak, it's just a medieval ghetto. Codedly tons of people live in the rinth, most of the city's laborers live in the rinth.
It's an oppressed society where not everyone can't afford to live in the commons. Rinther pc's just automatically are assumed to be criminal dirtbags.
Just like most people who don't live in the ghetto would avoid going there cause they don't wanna be in the most crime oriented place.
Rinthers get picked on, just like a suspicious guy dressed like a thug would get picked on by police wandering around in white suburbia.
But hey a lot of the time people are products of they're enviroment so most people are gonna think any rinther is up to no good.
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Quote from: The Archbishop on October 17, 2010, 04:35:55 PM
Yeah it definitely is part of Allanak, it's just a medieval ghetto. Codedly tons of people live in the rinth, most of the city's laborers live in the rinth.
It's an oppressed society where not everyone can't afford to live in the commons. Rinther pc's just automatically are assumed to be criminal dirtbags.
Just like most people who don't live in the ghetto would avoid going there cause they don't wanna be in the most crime oriented place.
Rinthers get picked on, just like a suspicious guy dressed like a thug would get picked on by police wandering around in white suburbia.
But hey a lot of the time people are products of they're enviroment so most people are gonna think any rinther is up to no good.

Your post is good, and the logic solid.

There is a point that I disagree with.  I disagree that there is a criminal stigma associated with being from the Labyrinth.  I think this is falsely played by most PCs.

Here's why. 

Imagine a day in Allanak, the Labyrinth in particular.  The sun rises.  The elderly and the unemployed have already been awake for a few hours.  You're living in a single room apartment with seventeen other people.  The unemployed and the elderly serve breakfast.

Most of you have jobs.  You struggle to stretch out, and to wash yourself as best you can with what little water there is to share. 

You have to wake up early.  You have to hurry to be at work at the same time as the (more fortunate) people who live closer to the farms.  A majority of the people you live with work on a farm.  A minority work in transport or logistics. 

Work is difficult, obviously.  Fully half of the players of this game have probably never held a job as difficult as the grueling brute labor associated with Allanaki farm work or the Allanaki construction industry.  You don't have one of the better farm jobs.  You're not a wagon driver.  You're not an animal breeder.  You aren't the cook.  You're the heavy lifting. 

You probably spend a good twenty percent of your time out of work due to the vagaries of the farm industry.  You probably spend a good twenty percent of your time out of work due to injury and the diseases associated with malnutrition.

People think that crime is bad in the Labyrinth, but crime is hardly a problem.  Disease is the real killer.  After work, you hurry home to get home with the crowd and make it in before dark.  After dark, the gangsters get a bit bolder. 

Your money doesn't go very far.  Contrary to popular belief, you've never spent a night in an alley.  Rent is not expensive in the Labyrinth.  A dirty, single room apartment goes for only about a hundred coins a month, and even then it's split about twelve ways with the other people you live with. 

Most of your money goes to food.  Food for yourself.  Food for one of your surviving elders.  Food for two of your children.  The other two children come to work with you and are self-supporting.  Food for your sick brother. 

Some of your money goes to repaying back debt from all of your time unemployed.  Some of your money goes to hiring an advocate to try to spring your cousin out of the slammer.  He claims that he's innocent and you'd really like to believe him. 

More money than you'd care to spend goes to paying for protection from local gangs.  A bit goes to bribes to the people who hook you up with jobs, etc. 

My point is that you pass through the commons pretty much every day, so most Allanaki are pretty used to seeing Labyrinthers.  Also, I suspect that about 30% of Allanaki live in the Labyrinth at one point in their life or other.  When fortunes improve, your family moves out of the Labyrinth.  When fortunes decline, your family moves into the Labyrinth.  So, do people assume that you're a criminal?  I doubt it.  Maybe some of the really "white-bread" people from the upper class, or upper-middle class, who are really insulated from commoners think that everyone from the Labyrinth is a criminal.   
Probably visitors to Allanak probably hear a lot of horror stories about the Labyrinth and overestimate the level of criminality that takes place there. 

I think that the more probable stigma associated with living in the Labyrinth is that you're a credit risk, or a bit undependable, or probably considered to be lazy or of questionable hygienic practices. 
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