Dwarven Women - Where Art Thou?

Started by Scarecrow, August 25, 2010, 08:20:33 AM

There seems to be at this time a serious lacking of female dwarf characters. I have noticed this phenomenon of late, and beleive it should be corrected. So if your female player, and want to try something new (but dang fun, stump is the best!) Make a female dwarf and come into Armageddon. You'll be noticed for sure, and treasured.  :)

What does everyone else think? Dwarf ladies missing, or have I just missed them?
The Devil doesn't dawdle.

August 25, 2010, 08:25:41 AM #1 Last Edit: August 25, 2010, 08:27:35 AM by Is Friday
Quote from: Scarecrow on August 25, 2010, 08:20:33 AM
There seems to be at this time a serious lacking of female dwarf characters. I have noticed this phenomenon of late, and beleive it should be corrected. So if your female player, and want to try something new (but dang fun, stump is the best!) Make a female dwarf and come into Armageddon. You'll be noticed for sure, and treasured.  :)

What does everyone else think? Dwarf ladies missing, or have I just missed them?
I was planning on playing a female half-giant as my next role or the role after my next. Does that count? (I generally play females for some reason.)

edit to be on topic:
Yeah there's hardly ever many female muls/dwarves/HGs. I can really see why, though. You get bum-rushed by the bazillion un-interesting dwarves if you play a female dwarf. Female HGs aren't dainty and pretty.

Even when I play human females getting hit on in a very American way gets annoying. Can't imagine how it'd be when you're literally the only compatible Y chromosome around.
Quote from: Fathi on March 08, 2018, 06:40:45 PMAnd then I sat there going "really? that was it? that's so stupid."

I still think the best closure you get in Armageddon is just moving on to the next character.

I think mostly just it's a bit of an area that could wiith some more filling out. Muls for instance I don't see much of at all, male or female. Lots of dwarf males about, but I can only think of about three dwarf women I've seen, and one of them might be dead now.
The Devil doesn't dawdle.

I think you've just missed them. Though there are evidently far fewer female dwarves, this is by no means unique to Arm. I personally blame Tolkien for making the fantasy genre a sausage fest, and then every pulp-fantasy book cover for featuring glamorous babes with pointy ears posing on the front cover. Phwoar!

I also suppose it's what appeals to the players ideas/concepts and a while bunch of other variables. I haven't ever seen a female southern Templar PC. Could do with a questionnaire to see how often female players play dwarves in general. It seems to me (and this is just my point of view) many dwarves are played in a very blokey manner. They're generally stubborn, masculine and hot headed. This is just a combination of fantasy baggage and some players desire to play a macho PC.

On a side note, I miss having a link to Baobab. The fact the protagonist is a dwarf always makes me giggle. I reckon if we got one hundred 14 year old boys to make a PC, 90% would make dwarves.

Southern female templars turn me on.... (I've had the opportunity to interact with a few.)
Quote from: Fathi on March 08, 2018, 06:40:45 PMAnd then I sat there going "really? that was it? that's so stupid."

I still think the best closure you get in Armageddon is just moving on to the next character.

I admit, there sure is something kinky about women in uniform who can KILL YOU AT ANY MOMENT.

I can't remember seeing all to many female dwarf NPCs for that matter. Though I think there are a couple, even a female mul out there somewhere?
Modern concepts of fair trials and justice are simply nonexistent in Zalanthas. If you are accused, you are guilty until someone important decides you might be useful. It doesn't really matter if you did it or not.

It's possible they don't have "female" or "woman" in their sdesc.


You know what else I just realized is odd?  I don't think I've ever seen, PC or otherwise, a dwarven, half-giant, or full-elf child.

Blame the gypsies.
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Quote from: Marauder Moe on August 25, 2010, 09:40:15 AM
It's possible they don't have "female" or "woman" in their sdesc.


You know what else I just realized is odd?  I don't think I've ever seen, PC or otherwise, a dwarven, half-giant, or full-elf child.

Almost certain there is a half-giant child in the game somewhere, and elven. Though never seen a dwarf child. And yes, I know about the hidden sdesc words.. I'll keep a look out now. >_>
Modern concepts of fair trials and justice are simply nonexistent in Zalanthas. If you are accused, you are guilty until someone important decides you might be useful. It doesn't really matter if you did it or not.

I think in most fantasy literature and in most games of the kind there are few examples of dwarven women.  I can't, off hand, think of one.

Quote from: Scarecrow on August 25, 2010, 08:20:33 AM
There seems to be at this time a serious lacking of female dwarf characters. I have noticed this phenomenon of late, and beleive it should be corrected. So if your female player, and want to try something new (but dang fun, stump is the best!) Make a female dwarf and come into Armageddon. You'll be noticed for sure, and treasured.  :)

What does everyone else think? Dwarf ladies missing, or have I just missed them?

Or, you could, y'know...play a female dwarf yourself. Be the change you want to hit on, and all that.
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My first real ARM PC was a female dwarf. I had fun. I think I saw (at the time) two other dwarves total and was hit on a grand total of once. (Hey, baby, do you want to go salt foraging? I can bring a tent.)

Now, I'm assuming most people (women, men, whatever) shy away from them because, typically, when someone apps in as a female, they do so to play traditional female qualities (an assumption, again) - people enjoy playing curvy, lithe, supple creatures with thick, wavy, golden hair, and dwarves are the exact opposite of that; they're stocky, short, hairless, and inherently masculine. Lack of gender stereotyping IC doesn't mean that players themselves magically forget gender stereotyping OOCly.
A dark-shelled scrab pinches at you, but you dodge out of the way.
A dark-shelled scrab brandishes its bone-handled, obsidian scimitar.
A dark-shelled scrab holds its bloodied wicked-edged, bone scimitar.

Guys, remember, homosexuality is commonplace in zalanthas.

Hot manstump on manstump action.

Quote from: Is Friday on August 25, 2010, 08:44:05 AM
Southern female templars turn me on.... (I've had the opportunity to interact have dirty sex with a few.)

FTFY
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I have played two female dwarves in the past, and it was quite a bit of fun. One of them was a Tor Sergeant. I honestly can't remember how much I was hit on, but it wasn't so much that it was annoying. Certainly less than my human female PCs have been.

Female dwarves FTW!

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Mal: "To Kaylee, and her inter-engine fermentation system."

I know of at least four alive right now.

I think we'll see more female dwarves once the code that removes all capitalization and punctuation from dwarven speech gets fixed.

(Yes, I went there.)
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Quote from: Aaron Goulet on August 25, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
I think we'll see more female dwarves once the code that removes all capitalization and punctuation from dwarven speech gets fixed.

(Yes, I went there.)

This is funny in a sad but true way.
Modern concepts of fair trials and justice are simply nonexistent in Zalanthas. If you are accused, you are guilty until someone important decides you might be useful. It doesn't really matter if you did it or not.

It's better in Armageddon than other muds, methinks, because you're not stuck with the all dwarves have beards schtick. But even in mainstream fantasy games these days where the dwarf ladies are prettied up as much as possible they are very rarely played. I've been in situations in Arm where the female dwarves outnumbered the male dwarves, so really it is not all that bad. Arm's female dwarf population is probably as close to the ideal as you can get.

Female half giants are the rare ones.

Quote from: hyzhenhok on August 25, 2010, 08:10:44 PM
It's better in Armageddon than other muds, methinks, because you're not stuck with the all dwarves have beards schtick. But even in mainstream fantasy games these days where the dwarf ladies are prettied up as much as possible they are very rarely played. I've been in situations in Arm where the female dwarves outnumbered the male dwarves, so really it is not all that bad. Arm's female dwarf population is probably as close to the ideal as you can get.

Female half giants are the rare ones.

I don't see why.  Who wouldn't want to play a chick with massive jugs (and the back to support them)?
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Quote from: Aaron Goulet on August 25, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
I think we'll see more female dwarves once the code that removes all capitalization and punctuation from dwarven speech gets fixed.

(Yes, I went there.)

If I were on staff, they would get like two warnings then a karma dock.

I seriously don't even want to interact with those dwarves at times.


The sad thing is I wonder if they 1. don't read the boards, 2. have somehow missed all the posts on the subject, 3. think it's cool, or 4. Just do it to be dicks.


That is all.
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I've played two female dwarves, at Armageddon.  I've also played at least one extremely ugly woman, and more than a fair share of plain ones, so it's not the 'prettiness' aspect that turns me off.  It's finding a good focus so that I don't immediately store because my dwarf is a grind instead of a person.
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We also need more mutant ladies who's mutations go further than just weird colored eyes/hair.

:3

Quote from: Qzzrbl on August 25, 2010, 09:15:01 PM
We also need more mutant ladies who's mutations go further than just weird colored eyes/hair.

:3

He means this.
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Quote from: Riya OniSenshi on August 25, 2010, 09:19:28 PM
Quote from: Qzzrbl on August 25, 2010, 09:15:01 PM
We also need more mutant ladies who's mutations go further than just weird colored eyes/hair.

:3


He means this.


Bet'cha she'd -still- get hit on.



Quote from: FantasyWriter on August 25, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Aaron Goulet on August 25, 2010, 06:59:12 PMI think we'll see more female dwarves once the code that removes all capitalization and punctuation from dwarven speech gets fixed.

(Yes, I went there.)
If I were on staff, they would get like two warnings then a karma dock.

I seriously don't even want to interact with those dwarves at times.


The sad thing is I wonder if they 1. don't read the boards, 2. have somehow missed all the posts on the subject, 3. think it's cool, or 4. Just do it to be dicks.
My biggest pet peeves when it comes to dwarves is how they all seem to be Scottish, not just the horribly mangled version of a Scottish accent that people try to represent in text to the point of illegibility.
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I don't really think the Scottish or Punctuationally-Challenged dwarves are really a problem. I guess I don't play enough...or those kind of dwarves are limited to certain areas of the game I haven't been in recently or certain clans I haven't played in recently. I don't think liberal use of accents and apostrophes equals the Scottish accent...pretty much PCs of every race do that stuff.

If it really is a problem, I think the best way to combat them is to just play a dwarf yourself and don't do those things, especially around other dwarves.

Quote from: spawnloser on August 26, 2010, 05:00:50 AM
Quote from: FantasyWriter on August 25, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Aaron Goulet on August 25, 2010, 06:59:12 PMI think we'll see more female dwarves once the code that removes all capitalization and punctuation from dwarven speech gets fixed.

(Yes, I went there.)
If I were on staff, they would get like two warnings then a karma dock.

I seriously don't even want to interact with those dwarves at times.


The sad thing is I wonder if they 1. don't read the boards, 2. have somehow missed all the posts on the subject, 3. think it's cool, or 4. Just do it to be dicks.
My biggest pet peeves when it comes to dwarves is how they all seem to be Scottish, not just the horribly mangled version of a Scottish accent that people try to represent in text to the point of illegibility.

It's to represent broken speech, not being scottish. Chief.
If they start talking about pubs, and William Wallace, then it's scottish.
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Scottish accents and such aside, can we stay on topic with the Dwarf women please? Thanks.  :)
The Devil doesn't dawdle.

Quote from: Scarecrow on August 26, 2010, 06:26:34 AM
Scottish accents and such aside, can we stay on topic with the Dwarf women please? Thanks.  :)

Don't they have beards?
"rogues do it from behind"
Quote[19:40] FightClub: tremendous sandstorm i can't move.
[19:40] Clearsighted: Good
[19:41] Clearsighted: Tremendous sandstorms are gods way of saving the mud from you.

Only Tolkien ones. But let's not go there.  :D
The Devil doesn't dawdle.

Thanks to this thread I now have a new concept for a dwarven female. However I won't be playing her any time soon.

I don't play a lot of dwarves (male or female) because I'm not so good with the objective part. But occasionally I do, and nearly every one has been female.
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I've played quite a few female dwarves and half-giants, and I have to say I've had a blast doing so. Especially with half-giants. But it really takes a certain mentality to rp either one properly.

I think the biggest reason there aren't as many female dwarves is because most people are too busy playing stupid f-me's. For some reason a large number of players feel like all girls should be pretty...and dwarves just don't fit into that niche.

Getting hit on is another thing, but even my ugliest characters seem to get hit on constantly so that really isn't much of an issue. When you're female, you get hit on. Seems to be a MUD mindset, since for the most part there are more men than women playing.

Quote from: FantasyWriter on August 25, 2010, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: Aaron Goulet on August 25, 2010, 06:59:12 PM
I think we'll see more female dwarves once the code that removes all capitalization and punctuation from dwarven speech gets fixed.

(Yes, I went there.)

If I were on staff, they would get like two warnings then a karma dock.

I seriously don't even want to interact with those dwarves at times.


The sad thing is I wonder if they 1. don't read the boards, 2. have somehow missed all the posts on the subject, 3. think it's cool, or 4. Just do it to be dicks.


That is all.

I've noticed this too. My assumption is that they must have some sort of typing problem or 2 broken shift keys and caplocks key on their keyboards.

There definitely aren't many dwarven/half-giant females around, but whenever the rare one crops out, they always seem to be phenomenally well-played.

Anyone remember Henna? She was as badass as it gets.

Haven't been playing enough to get to my dwarf concepts...

Quote from: Rhyden on August 26, 2010, 11:23:02 AMAnyone remember Henna? She was as badass as it gets.
She was badass, but that was because she was a twink.  She was a 2D character.
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Quote from: SpoonA magicker is kind of like a mousetrap, the fear is the cheese. But this cheese has an AK47.

Quote from: spawnloser on August 26, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: Rhyden on August 26, 2010, 11:23:02 AMAnyone remember Henna? She was as badass as it gets.
She was badass, but that was because she was a twink.  She was a 2D character.

Some days I just can't tell when people are trolling/flaming or winking over their inside knowledge of who played whom.
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Quote from: Thunkkin on August 26, 2010, 12:03:34 PM
Quote from: spawnloser on August 26, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: Rhyden on August 26, 2010, 11:23:02 AMAnyone remember Henna? She was as badass as it gets.
She was badass, but that was because she was a twink.  She was a 2D character.

Some days I just can't tell when people are trolling/flaming or winking over their inside knowledge of who played whom.

Meh, at least she was a female dwarf. Right?

Hey, maybe I should roll up a non-twinkish, butt-ugly mutated female dwarf (with dentatas, naturally) who goes around slapping male dwarf's arses. Bonus points if she uses correct punctuation and capital letters. ;)

I played a female dwarf Whiran once. Was great fun. She even had a flying chase with a very unfriendly supernatural entity! That's right, female dwarf aerial battle.

Quote from: Akoto on August 26, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
I played a female dwarf Whiran once. Was great fun. She even had a flying chase with a very unfriendly supernatural entity! That's right, female dwarf aerial battle.

You were signing checks that your body couldn't cash.

"Behold the monster with the pointed tail,
     Who cleaves the hills, and breaketh walls and weapons,
     Behold him who infecteth all the world."

Quote from: Akoto on August 26, 2010, 12:23:09 PM
I played a female dwarf Whiran once. Was great fun. She even had a flying chase with a very unfriendly supernatural entity! That's right, female dwarf aerial battle.

A dark-shelled scrab pinches at you, but you dodge out of the way.
A dark-shelled scrab brandishes its bone-handled, obsidian scimitar.
A dark-shelled scrab holds its bloodied wicked-edged, bone scimitar.

Quote from: spawnloser on August 26, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
Quote from: Rhyden on August 26, 2010, 11:23:02 AMAnyone remember Henna? She was as badass as it gets.
She was badass, but that was because she was a twink.  She was a 2D character.

Assume that is true. She still has any of your characters beat by 1D.

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